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what happens to wagers in a suspended game????

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Posted: Oct. 28, 2008 - 3:51 PM ET #101

Everyone who is complaining needs to read the rules within the book you placed your bet as it will have clearly stated what it will do in this situation.
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Everyone who is complaining needs to read the rules within the book you placed your bet as it will have clearly stated what it will do in this situation.
 
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Posted: Oct. 28, 2008 - 4:15 PM ET #102

I just asked the Bellagio sportsbook and they said they will wait until this game goes final to cash tickets.  They view it as if the game is still being played.  No winners or losers yet, wiat til the game goes final.

 

 

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I just asked the Bellagio sportsbook and they said they will wait until this game goes final to cash tickets.  They view it as if the game is still being played.  No winners or losers yet, wiat til the game goes final.

 

 

 
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Posted: Oct. 28, 2008 - 5:21 PM ET #103

Why did they say that phi won if they did't count my phi bet that they will win in 5

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Why did they say that phi won if they did't count my phi bet that they will win in 5

 
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Posted: Oct. 28, 2008 - 6:19 PM ET #104

Quote Originally Posted by azmike:

I just asked the Bellagio sportsbook and they said they will wait until this game goes final to cash tickets.  They view it as if the game is still being played.  No winners or losers yet, wiat til the game goes final.

 


While watching the game with my local, this topic game up.  My local says he'll treat the bet as if the game is still continuing 

ie. final score



 

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Quote Originally Posted by azmike:

I just asked the Bellagio sportsbook and they said they will wait until this game goes final to cash tickets.  They view it as if the game is still being played.  No winners or losers yet, wiat til the game goes final.

 


While watching the game with my local, this topic game up.  My local says he'll treat the bet as if the game is still continuing 

ie. final score



 

 
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Posted: Oct. 28, 2008 - 6:20 PM ET #105

Vegas Rule:
The Philadelphia vs Tampa Bay World series GAME 5 has been suspended in the bottom of the sixth inning.
For betting purposes the score reverts back to the last completed inning.
Through five innings the score was 2-1 Philadelphia.For betting purposes the score will be 2-1 Philadelphia.
Totals and run lines are No Action

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Vegas Rule:
The Philadelphia vs Tampa Bay World series GAME 5 has been suspended in the bottom of the sixth inning.
For betting purposes the score reverts back to the last completed inning.
Through five innings the score was 2-1 Philadelphia.For betting purposes the score will be 2-1 Philadelphia.
Totals and run lines are No Action

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Posted: Oct. 28, 2008 - 6:38 PM ET #106

[Quote: Originally Posted by elemental]
i wonder how locals will call that??

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FYI:  Just talked to my local.  Whatever you bet last night is still good when the game becomes a final.  So my 2 units at +160 are still good without Hammels pitching!

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[Quote: Originally Posted by elemental]
i wonder how locals will call that??

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FYI:  Just talked to my local.  Whatever you bet last night is still good when the game becomes a final.  So my 2 units at +160 are still good without Hammels pitching!

 
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Posted: Oct. 28, 2008 - 8:31 PM ET #107

[Quote: Originally Posted by Iamnotthelaw]
my book considered my straight Tampa Bay bet a loss but paid me for my Tampa Bay plus 1.5 runs.
 
I had the same exact wagers and my TB moneyline lost and my TB plus 1.5 runs was cancelled. So the book "ZMVP" had their cake and ate it too......
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[Quote: Originally Posted by Iamnotthelaw]
my book considered my straight Tampa Bay bet a loss but paid me for my Tampa Bay plus 1.5 runs.
 
I had the same exact wagers and my TB moneyline lost and my TB plus 1.5 runs was cancelled. So the book "ZMVP" had their cake and ate it too......
 
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Posted: Oct. 29, 2008 - 12:19 AM ET #108

the only thing that was bogus was that they waited too suspend that game if that was regular season they would  of suspended that game before tampa tied it and the phillies would be world series champs but they have cole hamels out there in a 60lb. soaking wet uniform that was rediculous
 
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the only thing that was bogus was that they waited too suspend that game if that was regular season they would  of suspended that game before tampa tied it and the phillies would be world series champs but they have cole hamels out there in a 60lb. soaking wet uniform that was rediculous
 
 
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Posted: Oct. 29, 2008 - 12:39 AM ET #109

I placed a bet for ML on Philly. I went through a bookie, not an online account. This bookie is telling me that my bet is still live.

If I could get some help, can you list me which sites are declaring the Philadelphia Phillies as the winner for moneyline, so I can take this to him.

Thanks in advance fellas
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I placed a bet for ML on Philly. I went through a bookie, not an online account. This bookie is telling me that my bet is still live.

If I could get some help, can you list me which sites are declaring the Philadelphia Phillies as the winner for moneyline, so I can take this to him.

Thanks in advance fellas
 
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Posted: Oct. 29, 2008 - 1:08 AM ET #110

From what I am gathering, it seems this is the way EVERY major live-odds betting sites declared it as, even the Greek.
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From what I am gathering, it seems this is the way EVERY major live-odds betting sites declared it as, even the Greek.
 
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Posted: Oct. 29, 2008 - 9:07 AM ET #111

5 inning game (phillies-170) with 3.5 under won on the suspended game.

I cashed a ticket yesterday !!!

Not  sure on the series games
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5 inning game (phillies-170) with 3.5 under won on the suspended game.

I cashed a ticket yesterday !!!

Not  sure on the series games
 
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Posted: Oct. 29, 2008 - 9:34 AM ET #112

Quote Originally Posted by ryderaz:

I placed a bet for ML on Philly. I went through a bookie, not an online account. This bookie is telling me that my bet is still live.

If I could get some help, can you list me which sites are declaring the Philadelphia Phillies as the winner for moneyline, so I can take this to him.

Thanks in advance fellas

 

Just let the bet ride.  I think bookies are trying to do the fairest thing by letting the bets ride because they want your business.  In the long run, he is going to make his money, so why piss off the masses

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Quote Originally Posted by ryderaz:

I placed a bet for ML on Philly. I went through a bookie, not an online account. This bookie is telling me that my bet is still live.

If I could get some help, can you list me which sites are declaring the Philadelphia Phillies as the winner for moneyline, so I can take this to him.

Thanks in advance fellas

 

Just let the bet ride.  I think bookies are trying to do the fairest thing by letting the bets ride because they want your business.  In the long run, he is going to make his money, so why piss off the masses

 
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Posted: Oct. 29, 2008 - 10:36 AM ET #113

Quote Originally Posted by jesse07:

Quote Originally Posted by elemental:

i wonder how locals will call that??

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FYI:  Just talked to my local.  Whatever you bet last night is still good when the game becomes a final.  So my 2 units at +160 are still good without Hammels pitching!

Local here in Chicago paid out for the game, same goes for BetUs online.

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Quote Originally Posted by elemental:

i wonder how locals will call that??

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FYI:  Just talked to my local.  Whatever you bet last night is still good when the game becomes a final.  So my 2 units at +160 are still good without Hammels pitching!

Local here in Chicago paid out for the game, same goes for BetUs online.

 
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Posted: Oct. 29, 2008 - 11:00 AM ET #114

jesse.......
 
Your bookie is a crook.......in both senses of the word....
 
Forget the offshores...look at Vegas, where it's legal...
 
Philly moneyline got paid off....score reverts to the last inning...final score 2-1.
 
You really need not to be placing bets with a local who won't even go along with the rules...and makes up his own.....
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jesse.......
 
Your bookie is a crook.......in both senses of the word....
 
Forget the offshores...look at Vegas, where it's legal...
 
Philly moneyline got paid off....score reverts to the last inning...final score 2-1.
 
You really need not to be placing bets with a local who won't even go along with the rules...and makes up his own.....
 
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Posted: Oct. 29, 2008 - 12:11 PM ET #115

There is an article on www.espn.com that explained what the Vegas books are doing.  Tell your local to reference that so that he understands what he needs to do.  My guess is that your local took more on the FAV, and doesn't want to have to payout. 

 

Here is an excerpt -

What happens in Philly pays in Vegas.

In reality, the Tampa Bay Rays and Philadelphia Phillies are tied 2-2 after rain halted Game 5 of the World Series after 5½ innings.

But in the world of Las Vegas sports books, the Phillies won 2-1 -- and side bets on the Phillies have to be paid out.

Confused? There's a simple explanation.

According to Nevada Gaming Commission rules the final score of an official baseball game, for betting purposes, is determined by reverting to the last completed inning, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported. And the Phillies led Game 5, 2-1, after five completed innings.

Wagers on totals and run-line bets are being refunded because gaming rules stipulate that at least 8½ innings must be played for those bets to pay off, according to the report.

"We're just following the regular baseball rules. This is a very common rule," Las Vegas Hilton sports book director Jay Kornegay said, according to the report. "We can't make exceptions.

"There was no special disclaimer for World Series games, or any playoff games for that matter, that your bet would continue if the game was suspended," Kornegay said, according to the report. "It's one of those unfortunate, misunderstood rules of baseball betting."

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There is an article on www.espn.com that explained what the Vegas books are doing.  Tell your local to reference that so that he understands what he needs to do.  My guess is that your local took more on the FAV, and doesn't want to have to payout. 

 

Here is an excerpt -

What happens in Philly pays in Vegas.

In reality, the Tampa Bay Rays and Philadelphia Phillies are tied 2-2 after rain halted Game 5 of the World Series after 5½ innings.

But in the world of Las Vegas sports books, the Phillies won 2-1 -- and side bets on the Phillies have to be paid out.

Confused? There's a simple explanation.

According to Nevada Gaming Commission rules the final score of an official baseball game, for betting purposes, is determined by reverting to the last completed inning, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported. And the Phillies led Game 5, 2-1, after five completed innings.

Wagers on totals and run-line bets are being refunded because gaming rules stipulate that at least 8½ innings must be played for those bets to pay off, according to the report.

"We're just following the regular baseball rules. This is a very common rule," Las Vegas Hilton sports book director Jay Kornegay said, according to the report. "We can't make exceptions.

"There was no special disclaimer for World Series games, or any playoff games for that matter, that your bet would continue if the game was suspended," Kornegay said, according to the report. "It's one of those unfortunate, misunderstood rules of baseball betting."

 
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Posted: Oct. 29, 2008 - 12:53 PM ET #116

Jennado - good post but you left out part of the article
 
"Despite the Nevada gaming rules, some sports books, such as MGM/Mirage Properties, did not consider the Phillies the winner on Monday night and will wait until Game 5 is concluded to pay winners."
 
maybe the MGM are a bunch of crooks too...
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Jennado - good post but you left out part of the article
 
"Despite the Nevada gaming rules, some sports books, such as MGM/Mirage Properties, did not consider the Phillies the winner on Monday night and will wait until Game 5 is concluded to pay winners."
 
maybe the MGM are a bunch of crooks too...
 
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Posted: Oct. 29, 2008 - 1:00 PM ET #117

MGM Mirage (MGM) said on Wednesday it will delay projects in Atlantic City and Las Vegas amid the global credit crisis and said third-quarter profit fell 67 percent as business slumped on the Strip. -- That's what they get for no following the rules of paying out on the Philly ML. If everyone else follows the rules, so should MGM and all locals for that matter.
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MGM Mirage (MGM) said on Wednesday it will delay projects in Atlantic City and Las Vegas amid the global credit crisis and said third-quarter profit fell 67 percent as business slumped on the Strip. -- That's what they get for no following the rules of paying out on the Philly ML. If everyone else follows the rules, so should MGM and all locals for that matter.
 
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"We're just following the regular baseball rules. This is a very common rule," Las Vegas Hilton sports book director Jay Kornegay said, according to the report. "We can't make exceptions.
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"We're just following the regular baseball rules. This is a very common rule," Las Vegas Hilton sports book director Jay Kornegay said, according to the report. "We can't make exceptions.
 
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This is what sportsbook.com replied...

SPORTSBOOK.com: Tampa Bay Devil Rays vs Philadelphia Phillies, game has been officially suspended at the top of the 6th inning. Our rules regarding these situations are as follows:

SPORTSBOOK.com: “Major League Baseball games are official after 5 innings of play, or 4.5 innings if the home team is leading. If a game is subsequently called or suspended, the winner is determined by the score after the last full inning unless the home team ties the score or takes the lead in the bottom half of the inning. Then the winner will be determined by the score at the time the game is called.”

SPORTSBOOK.com: This rule holds for betting purposes even if the game is suspended and /or completed on a different day than it began
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This is what sportsbook.com replied...

SPORTSBOOK.com: Tampa Bay Devil Rays vs Philadelphia Phillies, game has been officially suspended at the top of the 6th inning. Our rules regarding these situations are as follows:

SPORTSBOOK.com: “Major League Baseball games are official after 5 innings of play, or 4.5 innings if the home team is leading. If a game is subsequently called or suspended, the winner is determined by the score after the last full inning unless the home team ties the score or takes the lead in the bottom half of the inning. Then the winner will be determined by the score at the time the game is called.”

SPORTSBOOK.com: This rule holds for betting purposes even if the game is suspended and /or completed on a different day than it began
 
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Quote Originally Posted by jesse07:

Jennado - good post but you left out part of the article
 
"Despite the Nevada gaming rules, some sports books, such as MGM/Mirage Properties, did not consider the Phillies the winner on Monday night and will wait until Game 5 is concluded to pay winners."
 
maybe the MGM are a bunch of crooks too...

Good catch, those last 4 paragraphs of the ESPN article were added after I had posted to this forum.  That was not there when I originally cut-n-pated from the site.  My guess is that someone with MGM, or someone who had made a play on the game contacted ESPN, and the story was modified.  That is strange though, that they would not follow the same rules as the other books in Vegas.  And, the article does mention that this is a "Nevada gaming rule"

Oohh well - I didnt have either side, I had the OVER, and I am glad my bet was VOIDED based upon the way that Philly was leaving runners on base.  But, what if the score would have been tied at 4 - 4, would the total have been cancelled since the game would have already been OVER the total?  I can see how/why an UNDER would be cancelled, but I think an OVER should have counted.  But, if you read the rules, a TOTAL has to go 8.5 innings.  But, if the game had been tied 4 - 4 after the 5th inning, would those have counted since the score reverts back to the "last full inning"? 

 

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Quote Originally Posted by jesse07:

Jennado - good post but you left out part of the article
 
"Despite the Nevada gaming rules, some sports books, such as MGM/Mirage Properties, did not consider the Phillies the winner on Monday night and will wait until Game 5 is concluded to pay winners."
 
maybe the MGM are a bunch of crooks too...

Good catch, those last 4 paragraphs of the ESPN article were added after I had posted to this forum.  That was not there when I originally cut-n-pated from the site.  My guess is that someone with MGM, or someone who had made a play on the game contacted ESPN, and the story was modified.  That is strange though, that they would not follow the same rules as the other books in Vegas.  And, the article does mention that this is a "Nevada gaming rule"

Oohh well - I didnt have either side, I had the OVER, and I am glad my bet was VOIDED based upon the way that Philly was leaving runners on base.  But, what if the score would have been tied at 4 - 4, would the total have been cancelled since the game would have already been OVER the total?  I can see how/why an UNDER would be cancelled, but I think an OVER should have counted.  But, if you read the rules, a TOTAL has to go 8.5 innings.  But, if the game had been tied 4 - 4 after the 5th inning, would those have counted since the score reverts back to the "last full inning"? 

 

 
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my "man"in NYC says "PHILLIES WIN "2-1 all total bets "OFF"
hes been taking my bets for 35 years -he could'nt care less about mlb rules or online gambling site rules
i don't argue with him!
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my "man"in NYC says "PHILLIES WIN "2-1 all total bets "OFF"
hes been taking my bets for 35 years -he could'nt care less about mlb rules or online gambling site rules
i don't argue with him!
 
 
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Well my bookie game me the option to change my bet. Whether if I wanted to take it away completely or just lower my bet.

BUT the line still was the same. So I took my bet away because the line was -185 through him and it was a tie game. So F*&^ that...

Although I was kicking myself afterwards...but its cool because I made out for the series.
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Well my bookie game me the option to change my bet. Whether if I wanted to take it away completely or just lower my bet.

BUT the line still was the same. So I took my bet away because the line was -185 through him and it was a tie game. So F*&^ that...

Although I was kicking myself afterwards...but its cool because I made out for the series.
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