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    Posted: Aug. 5, 2009 - 3:40 PM ET #51

    Hey dory, I have taken over a few accounts for friends b/c they don't have the time to make the bets and frankly I wouldn't trust their money management, so I get 20% of the profits, and have just found it hard to post on here when alot of the times I'm making the plays minutes before gametime on 3-4 different accounts.  I am trying to get in a habit of posting more these days though.
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    Hey dory, I have taken over a few accounts for friends b/c they don't have the time to make the bets and frankly I wouldn't trust their money management, so I get 20% of the profits, and have just found it hard to post on here when alot of the times I'm making the plays minutes before gametime on 3-4 different accounts.  I am trying to get in a habit of posting more these days though.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 5, 2009 - 3:43 PM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by gcnmoo:

    as far as buying/selling lines vanzack, I know you are reducing variance.  However, over the long term, assuming your bankroll is big enough do you think it is a losing play.
     
    For instance in the Colorado game, let's say you had this at -130 Phils, aren't you losing money in the long run selling it at +136 because inherently that has -EV
     
    That's always my thought process as far as buying and selling goes.  Yes you're guaranteeing yourself a slight profit, but I think in the long run, you are throwing away some gains by doing this.  From one professional bettor to another, and my guess is we both bet similar amount of money on games.

    You are essentially correct.

    What I practice is somewhere between your post and doryj's response.  First thing I do is make a line based on perceived results - not betting patterns.  Then I bet games that I can get a price that is beyond certain thresholds.

    Then, I will bet more if the line gets better, and sometimes sell if it goes the other way.  The selling is based on thresholds as well - and those thresholds change upon how I am doing and how my statistical confidence level is at that time.

    So sometimes - it is as Doryj states.  If the line I determined on the Phillies was -130, I would buy at +144 or better and sell if it hit -130.  This is if my line was highly correlated to results for a certain time period.  If my lines had been crappy (not highly correlated with actual results), my thresholds for selling become higher because of the implied variance in my line making ability.

    So there are times when I would sell that bet I made at +144 at -136, even if my line was -130.

    Your position is correct though - assuming that my line making had zero variance.  As the variance on my ability to set those line increases, it becomes a better longterm profitability model to take the money and sell the bet.

    I think it comes down to a little bit of math, and a little bit of personal preference.  I have a relatively low tolerance for risk overall believe it or not.  I do understand your point - and it cant be argued - except the one factor of the accuracy of the pregame line to the actual results - that is a key determinant of this decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcnmoo:

    as far as buying/selling lines vanzack, I know you are reducing variance.  However, over the long term, assuming your bankroll is big enough do you think it is a losing play.
     
    For instance in the Colorado game, let's say you had this at -130 Phils, aren't you losing money in the long run selling it at +136 because inherently that has -EV
     
    That's always my thought process as far as buying and selling goes.  Yes you're guaranteeing yourself a slight profit, but I think in the long run, you are throwing away some gains by doing this.  From one professional bettor to another, and my guess is we both bet similar amount of money on games.

    You are essentially correct.

    What I practice is somewhere between your post and doryj's response.  First thing I do is make a line based on perceived results - not betting patterns.  Then I bet games that I can get a price that is beyond certain thresholds.

    Then, I will bet more if the line gets better, and sometimes sell if it goes the other way.  The selling is based on thresholds as well - and those thresholds change upon how I am doing and how my statistical confidence level is at that time.

    So sometimes - it is as Doryj states.  If the line I determined on the Phillies was -130, I would buy at +144 or better and sell if it hit -130.  This is if my line was highly correlated to results for a certain time period.  If my lines had been crappy (not highly correlated with actual results), my thresholds for selling become higher because of the implied variance in my line making ability.

    So there are times when I would sell that bet I made at +144 at -136, even if my line was -130.

    Your position is correct though - assuming that my line making had zero variance.  As the variance on my ability to set those line increases, it becomes a better longterm profitability model to take the money and sell the bet.

    I think it comes down to a little bit of math, and a little bit of personal preference.  I have a relatively low tolerance for risk overall believe it or not.  I do understand your point - and it cant be argued - except the one factor of the accuracy of the pregame line to the actual results - that is a key determinant of this decision.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 5, 2009 - 3:48 PM ET #53

    That was a very bad grand slam.
     
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    That was a very bad grand slam.
     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 5, 2009 - 3:51 PM ET #54

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    That was a very bad grand slam.
     


    I got Giants and they havent looked good offensively, I thought Whiteside would be an automatic DP wow
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    That was a very bad grand slam.
     


    I got Giants and they havent looked good offensively, I thought Whiteside would be an automatic DP wow
     
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    Posted: Aug. 5, 2009 - 3:52 PM ET #55

    love reading your threads vanz................I've got about 9,999 hours to go
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    love reading your threads vanz................I've got about 9,999 hours to go
     
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    Posted: Aug. 5, 2009 - 4:03 PM ET #56

    Gl vanzack.
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    Posted: Aug. 5, 2009 - 6:30 PM ET #57

    what got you off the rocks, van? i'm still tempted to bet them...
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    what got you off the rocks, van? i'm still tempted to bet them...
     
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    Posted: Aug. 5, 2009 - 6:33 PM ET #58

    Quote Originally Posted by linewatcher:

    what got you off the rocks, van? i'm still tempted to bet them...

    Price alone.

    Nothing about the game itself.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by linewatcher:

    what got you off the rocks, van? i'm still tempted to bet them...

    Price alone.

    Nothing about the game itself.

     

     
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    do you use your losses as tax deductions? isnt that allowed up to the amount you won? is it different if your "profession" is gambling? thanks bro, just curious....
     
     
     
     
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    do you use your losses as tax deductions? isnt that allowed up to the amount you won? is it different if your "profession" is gambling? thanks bro, just curious....
     
     
     
     
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