Yeah, unless its Felix, I guess..........you don't like Ubaldo?
They want 3 of Montero, Banuelos, Betances, Romine and Nova. Unless that is cut down to Montero or Romine and Nova...than Ubaldo can stay put. He's overrated. He's worth the risk if it were that 2 for 1...but he's not worth Banuelos/Betances...imo.
The way I see it is that, if the Yankees want to acquire a pitcher...he better be more productive than Colon, Garcia, Burnett, Hughes AND Nova or it won't make any sense to give up a prospect. Why trade a prospect for a #3 guy? It better be a least a #2 starter.
Felix won't be traded...but he's the only guy I'd give up the farm for. Really no interest in Wandy, Kuroda, Bedard, Harden, Lowe or Harang. Wouldn't make sense, imo.
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Quote Originally Posted by Iveycheats:
Yeah, unless its Felix, I guess..........you don't like Ubaldo?
They want 3 of Montero, Banuelos, Betances, Romine and Nova. Unless that is cut down to Montero or Romine and Nova...than Ubaldo can stay put. He's overrated. He's worth the risk if it were that 2 for 1...but he's not worth Banuelos/Betances...imo.
The way I see it is that, if the Yankees want to acquire a pitcher...he better be more productive than Colon, Garcia, Burnett, Hughes AND Nova or it won't make any sense to give up a prospect. Why trade a prospect for a #3 guy? It better be a least a #2 starter.
Felix won't be traded...but he's the only guy I'd give up the farm for. Really no interest in Wandy, Kuroda, Bedard, Harden, Lowe or Harang. Wouldn't make sense, imo.
So if the pitching was comparable...you are telling me that the Giants (who some say had the worst offense ever to win a Championship) was better than the Phillies' offense?
The Phillies were the better team last year. They were the best team in baseball. BETTER than the Giants. The Giants were just clicking at the right time. I know for sure that won't happen this year. Lee + Halladay + Hamels (+ Oswalt?) will win you the National League and probably the World Series this year and maybe next year too.
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Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
So if the pitching was comparable...you are telling me that the Giants (who some say had the worst offense ever to win a Championship) was better than the Phillies' offense?
The Phillies were the better team last year. They were the best team in baseball. BETTER than the Giants. The Giants were just clicking at the right time. I know for sure that won't happen this year. Lee + Halladay + Hamels (+ Oswalt?) will win you the National League and probably the World Series this year and maybe next year too.
I'm not saying the Giants offense was better than the Phillies last year, I'm just saying they got more timely hits.
And how can you say "I know for sure", so and so, won't happen this year? The Phillies could play the worst team in baseball in a best-of-seven series, and nothing is guaranteed.
Because of how Lee pitches in the postseason. See what he did last year against the Giants? That was lightning in a bottle. He's one of the best postseason pitchers we've seen...no doubt it my mind he's shut them out at least once, if not in both games.
I don't get fans sometimes. Nothing personal to you...but I saw so many fans saying "World Series" when they signed Cliff Lee. Now there's doubt because of their most recent series? Go into a postseason series fresh with a 1-2-3-4 (whether it's Oswalt or Worley being #4) against the Giants and the Phillies will win.
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Quote Originally Posted by The Giant:
I'm not saying the Giants offense was better than the Phillies last year, I'm just saying they got more timely hits.
And how can you say "I know for sure", so and so, won't happen this year? The Phillies could play the worst team in baseball in a best-of-seven series, and nothing is guaranteed.
Because of how Lee pitches in the postseason. See what he did last year against the Giants? That was lightning in a bottle. He's one of the best postseason pitchers we've seen...no doubt it my mind he's shut them out at least once, if not in both games.
I don't get fans sometimes. Nothing personal to you...but I saw so many fans saying "World Series" when they signed Cliff Lee. Now there's doubt because of their most recent series? Go into a postseason series fresh with a 1-2-3-4 (whether it's Oswalt or Worley being #4) against the Giants and the Phillies will win.
They want 3 of Montero, Banuelos, Betances, Romine and Nova. Unless that is cut down to Montero or Romine and Nova...than Ubaldo can stay put. He's overrated. He's worth the risk if it were that 2 for 1...but he's not worth Banuelos/Betances...imo.
The way I see it is that, if the Yankees want to acquire a pitcher...he better be more productive than Colon, Garcia, Burnett, Hughes AND Nova or it won't make any sense to give up a prospect. Why trade a prospect for a #3 guy? It better be a least a #2 starter.
Felix won't be traded...but he's the only guy I'd give up the farm for. Really no interest in Wandy, Kuroda, Bedard, Harden, Lowe or Harang. Wouldn't make sense, imo.
I agree with you......I wouldn't give up the farm for Ubaldo either........and the rest of those names are garbage, compared to what you already have
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Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
They want 3 of Montero, Banuelos, Betances, Romine and Nova. Unless that is cut down to Montero or Romine and Nova...than Ubaldo can stay put. He's overrated. He's worth the risk if it were that 2 for 1...but he's not worth Banuelos/Betances...imo.
The way I see it is that, if the Yankees want to acquire a pitcher...he better be more productive than Colon, Garcia, Burnett, Hughes AND Nova or it won't make any sense to give up a prospect. Why trade a prospect for a #3 guy? It better be a least a #2 starter.
Felix won't be traded...but he's the only guy I'd give up the farm for. Really no interest in Wandy, Kuroda, Bedard, Harden, Lowe or Harang. Wouldn't make sense, imo.
I agree with you......I wouldn't give up the farm for Ubaldo either........and the rest of those names are garbage, compared to what you already have
Jesus Montero has to be the most overrated prospect in baseball.
He doesnt have a position and is posting a OPS under .800
Brett Lawrie is a year younger and is hitting around 70 points higher and has a OPS around 300 points better.
Just another in a long list of overrated Yankee prospects
Put Montero in Vegas and I have a feeling his numbers would skyrocket.
Not saying Lawrie is bad...but saying Montero is overrated is a bit much. Can't really call someone overrated until you see what he can do in the bigs. I think he's just lazy. His 2nd season in Triple-A. He was given the starting catcher role at the end of last year for 2011. Hell...he was even brought up to be in the dugout/clubhouse and the end of the minor league season just to see what it was like. I feel bad for the guy. He's not helping himself...but I feel bad for him.
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Quote Originally Posted by Delpo:
Jesus Montero has to be the most overrated prospect in baseball.
He doesnt have a position and is posting a OPS under .800
Brett Lawrie is a year younger and is hitting around 70 points higher and has a OPS around 300 points better.
Just another in a long list of overrated Yankee prospects
Put Montero in Vegas and I have a feeling his numbers would skyrocket.
Not saying Lawrie is bad...but saying Montero is overrated is a bit much. Can't really call someone overrated until you see what he can do in the bigs. I think he's just lazy. His 2nd season in Triple-A. He was given the starting catcher role at the end of last year for 2011. Hell...he was even brought up to be in the dugout/clubhouse and the end of the minor league season just to see what it was like. I feel bad for the guy. He's not helping himself...but I feel bad for him.
Because of how Lee pitches in the postseason. See what he did last year against the Giants? That was lightning in a bottle. He's one of the best postseason pitchers we've seen...no doubt it my mind he's shut them out at least once, if not in both games.
I don't get fans sometimes. Nothing personal to you...but I saw so many fans saying "World Series" when they signed Cliff Lee. Now there's doubt because of their most recent series? Go into a postseason series fresh with a 1-2-3-4 (whether it's Oswalt or Worley being #4) against the Giants and the Phillies will win.
Relax, Sparky. I agree with you. The Phillies are definitely the team to beat, heavily so, but I don't think it's a lock by any stretch. Baseball is a fickle game. Anyone can get hot, at any time. The Kansas City Royals could beat the Phillies in a best-of-seven series if they got a few breaks.
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Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
Because of how Lee pitches in the postseason. See what he did last year against the Giants? That was lightning in a bottle. He's one of the best postseason pitchers we've seen...no doubt it my mind he's shut them out at least once, if not in both games.
I don't get fans sometimes. Nothing personal to you...but I saw so many fans saying "World Series" when they signed Cliff Lee. Now there's doubt because of their most recent series? Go into a postseason series fresh with a 1-2-3-4 (whether it's Oswalt or Worley being #4) against the Giants and the Phillies will win.
Relax, Sparky. I agree with you. The Phillies are definitely the team to beat, heavily so, but I don't think it's a lock by any stretch. Baseball is a fickle game. Anyone can get hot, at any time. The Kansas City Royals could beat the Phillies in a best-of-seven series if they got a few breaks.
Put Montero in Vegas and I have a feeling his numbers would skyrocket.
Not saying Lawrie is bad...but saying Montero is overrated is a bit much. Can't really call someone overrated until you see what he can do in the bigs. I think he's just lazy. His 2nd season in Triple-A. He was given the starting catcher role at the end of last year for 2011. Hell...he was even brought up to be in the dugout/clubhouse and the end of the minor league season just to see what it was like. I feel bad for the guy. He's not helping himself...but I feel bad for him.
No offence man but when your calling card is "hitting" and your posting a .280 avg and a OPS under .800, then I really dont understand all the hype. Its even worse when his defensive skills are worrisome and people dont really know where hes going to play at the major league level. Im not saying hes not a good prospect but hes nowhere close to as good as some lead you to believe. His power this season has been rather underwhelming.
I like your pitching prospects, both Banuelos and Betances will be studs, but I feel all your catching prospects Montero, Gary Sanchez and Romine are quite overrated.
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Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
Put Montero in Vegas and I have a feeling his numbers would skyrocket.
Not saying Lawrie is bad...but saying Montero is overrated is a bit much. Can't really call someone overrated until you see what he can do in the bigs. I think he's just lazy. His 2nd season in Triple-A. He was given the starting catcher role at the end of last year for 2011. Hell...he was even brought up to be in the dugout/clubhouse and the end of the minor league season just to see what it was like. I feel bad for the guy. He's not helping himself...but I feel bad for him.
No offence man but when your calling card is "hitting" and your posting a .280 avg and a OPS under .800, then I really dont understand all the hype. Its even worse when his defensive skills are worrisome and people dont really know where hes going to play at the major league level. Im not saying hes not a good prospect but hes nowhere close to as good as some lead you to believe. His power this season has been rather underwhelming.
I like your pitching prospects, both Banuelos and Betances will be studs, but I feel all your catching prospects Montero, Gary Sanchez and Romine are quite overrated.
No offence man but when your calling card is "hitting" and your posting a .280 avg and a OPS under .800, then I really dont understand all the hype. Its even worse when his defensive skills are worrisome and people dont really know where hes going to play at the major league level. Im not saying hes not a good prospect but hes nowhere close to as good as some lead you to believe. His power this season has been rather underwhelming.
I like your pitching prospects, both Banuelos and Betances will be studs, but I feel all your catching prospects Montero, Gary Sanchez and Romine are quite overrated.
Sanchez is waaay too young speculate with but he's supposed to be the best of the 3.
Romine is a defensive first catcher.
Dustin Ackley is supposed to be known for his offense and he didn't post an OPS over .800 last season in the minors. You can't grade Montero simply on this.
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Quote Originally Posted by Delpo:
No offence man but when your calling card is "hitting" and your posting a .280 avg and a OPS under .800, then I really dont understand all the hype. Its even worse when his defensive skills are worrisome and people dont really know where hes going to play at the major league level. Im not saying hes not a good prospect but hes nowhere close to as good as some lead you to believe. His power this season has been rather underwhelming.
I like your pitching prospects, both Banuelos and Betances will be studs, but I feel all your catching prospects Montero, Gary Sanchez and Romine are quite overrated.
Sanchez is waaay too young speculate with but he's supposed to be the best of the 3.
Romine is a defensive first catcher.
Dustin Ackley is supposed to be known for his offense and he didn't post an OPS over .800 last season in the minors. You can't grade Montero simply on this.
Sanchez is waaay too young speculate with but he's supposed to be the best of the 3.
Romine is a defensive first catcher.
Dustin Ackley is supposed to be known for his offense and he didn't post an OPS over .800 last season in the minors. You can't grade Montero simply on this.
Ackley posted a .908 OPS this season with a batting average of .303
He also plays 2B and has a defined position
Where exactly is Montero going to play?
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Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
Sanchez is waaay too young speculate with but he's supposed to be the best of the 3.
Romine is a defensive first catcher.
Dustin Ackley is supposed to be known for his offense and he didn't post an OPS over .800 last season in the minors. You can't grade Montero simply on this.
Ackley posted a .908 OPS this season with a batting average of .303
Ackley posted a .908 OPS this season with a batting average of .303
He also plays 2B and has a defined position
Where exactly is Montero going to play?
Through half a season he posted a .908. What about last year? And the year beore? You're picking seasons that benefit you. Montero had a great year last year and, as I said, he got lazy. You're throwng out everything he did before this season. It's not like he forgot how to hit. And lets not forget that there were talks about moving Ackley to the OF. Montero is a catcher...plain and simple. It's not like they've every had a great defensive catcher before anyway.
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Quote Originally Posted by Delpo:
Ackley posted a .908 OPS this season with a batting average of .303
He also plays 2B and has a defined position
Where exactly is Montero going to play?
Through half a season he posted a .908. What about last year? And the year beore? You're picking seasons that benefit you. Montero had a great year last year and, as I said, he got lazy. You're throwng out everything he did before this season. It's not like he forgot how to hit. And lets not forget that there were talks about moving Ackley to the OF. Montero is a catcher...plain and simple. It's not like they've every had a great defensive catcher before anyway.
The guy can hardly catch in the minor leagues. His defensive ability at the catching position is horrendous. Hes way worse then Arencibia in this area and even JP is struggling bigtime at the MLB level to play the position. I can almost gurantee longterm Montero is not a catcher.
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Montero is a catcher?
The guy can hardly catch in the minor leagues. His defensive ability at the catching position is horrendous. Hes way worse then Arencibia in this area and even JP is struggling bigtime at the MLB level to play the position. I can almost gurantee longterm Montero is not a catcher.
So your going to make him into a fulltime DH at age what 22-23?
When is the last time a top prospect was relegated to being a DH at such a young age?
You might as well trade him to a team that needs a 1B, like Colorado who will be in need once Helton retires.
So he can't catch. He shouldn't be limited to DH. He's not a 1st baseman. So why not just ship him back to Venezuela since there's no reason for him to be playing baseball?
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Quote Originally Posted by Delpo:
So your going to make him into a fulltime DH at age what 22-23?
When is the last time a top prospect was relegated to being a DH at such a young age?
You might as well trade him to a team that needs a 1B, like Colorado who will be in need once Helton retires.
So he can't catch. He shouldn't be limited to DH. He's not a 1st baseman. So why not just ship him back to Venezuela since there's no reason for him to be playing baseball?
So he can't catch. He shouldn't be limited to DH. He's not a 1st baseman. So why not just ship him back to Venezuela since there's no reason for him to be playing baseball?
No I believe he could play 1B, but thats not going to happen with Texiera there.
And yes, theres a reason why teams dont make young promising players into fulltime DH's. Its very very hard for a young player to succeed at that position.
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Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
So he can't catch. He shouldn't be limited to DH. He's not a 1st baseman. So why not just ship him back to Venezuela since there's no reason for him to be playing baseball?
No I believe he could play 1B, but thats not going to happen with Texiera there.
And yes, theres a reason why teams dont make young promising players into fulltime DH's. Its very very hard for a young player to succeed at that position.
Of course. They need to be a part of the game for the full 9 innings. That's why even vets like Posada don't like becoming full time DH's. But you can't just pu this guy at 1B either and hope he's good. Look and Daniel Murphy. He can barely play any position they throw him in...but they let him stay there just to get his bat (which they hope will be great) into the lineup. Same with Wily Mo Pena. You can't just expect him to take on a position and learn it. He's not a good catcher...but he's better than when he started. You have to give him a shot. He's clearly much more valueable behind the plate. If he doesn't pan out by the time Sanchez is ready...then figure something out. Can he really be worse than Posada was over the last 3 years?
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Of course. They need to be a part of the game for the full 9 innings. That's why even vets like Posada don't like becoming full time DH's. But you can't just pu this guy at 1B either and hope he's good. Look and Daniel Murphy. He can barely play any position they throw him in...but they let him stay there just to get his bat (which they hope will be great) into the lineup. Same with Wily Mo Pena. You can't just expect him to take on a position and learn it. He's not a good catcher...but he's better than when he started. You have to give him a shot. He's clearly much more valueable behind the plate. If he doesn't pan out by the time Sanchez is ready...then figure something out. Can he really be worse than Posada was over the last 3 years?
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