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    2:10 EST - Los Angeles Dodgers @ Milwaukee Brewers

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    Posted: Aug. 18, 2011 - 12:30 PM ET #1

    NBA:  90-67  (57.3%)  +19.90u
    NBA-P:  30-16  (65.2%)  +18.25u
    NCAA:  8-1  (88.9%)  +7.90u
    NHL-P:  11-4  (73.3%)  +7.00u

    MLB:  79-61-3 (56.4%)  +17.75u


    Los Angeles Dodgers (-120)

    Milwaukee has only scored 11 runs in their last 5 games (average of 2.2 runs per game).  If there's any pitcher that could push this average lower, it's the strikeout-kid Clayton Kershaw.  He has top 5 numbers in almost every pitching category - advanced AND standard metrics.  He averages close to 10 K/9 with a K/B ratio above 4.  He's holding batters to an average close to .200.  Estrada doesn't have anything near this good.  He has a very poor GB% and he struggles mightily against left-handers.  Oddly enough, despite the Dodgers right-handed power hitters, they have better numbers against righties on the season.  But to keep this simple, the starting pitcher discrepancy is too much to ignore.  Much like the Tampa Bay @ Boston game yesterday, we have an elite pitcher (in this case a top 5 pitcher) at basically a pick'em spread against a team that has had trouble hitting and scoring in recent games.  I wouldn't be surprised to see a big goose egg on the scoreboard next to Milwaukee today.  Dodgers will win to avoid the sweep behind their ace in this get-away-day-game.  I will be looking for home games to fade the Brewers through the rest of the season, and this is a great place to start.  Don't be suckered into taking the Brewers at home at plus money:  the Dodgers is the only play today.
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    NBA:  90-67  (57.3%)  +19.90u
    NBA-P:  30-16  (65.2%)  +18.25u
    NCAA:  8-1  (88.9%)  +7.90u
    NHL-P:  11-4  (73.3%)  +7.00u

    MLB:  79-61-3 (56.4%)  +17.75u


    Los Angeles Dodgers (-120)

    Milwaukee has only scored 11 runs in their last 5 games (average of 2.2 runs per game).  If there's any pitcher that could push this average lower, it's the strikeout-kid Clayton Kershaw.  He has top 5 numbers in almost every pitching category - advanced AND standard metrics.  He averages close to 10 K/9 with a K/B ratio above 4.  He's holding batters to an average close to .200.  Estrada doesn't have anything near this good.  He has a very poor GB% and he struggles mightily against left-handers.  Oddly enough, despite the Dodgers right-handed power hitters, they have better numbers against righties on the season.  But to keep this simple, the starting pitcher discrepancy is too much to ignore.  Much like the Tampa Bay @ Boston game yesterday, we have an elite pitcher (in this case a top 5 pitcher) at basically a pick'em spread against a team that has had trouble hitting and scoring in recent games.  I wouldn't be surprised to see a big goose egg on the scoreboard next to Milwaukee today.  Dodgers will win to avoid the sweep behind their ace in this get-away-day-game.  I will be looking for home games to fade the Brewers through the rest of the season, and this is a great place to start.  Don't be suckered into taking the Brewers at home at plus money:  the Dodgers is the only play today.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 18, 2011 - 12:38 PM ET #2

    Quote Originally Posted by si1ly:

    NBA:  90-67  (57.3%)  +19.90u
    NBA-P:  30-16  (65.2%)  +18.25u
    NCAA:  8-1  (88.9%)  +7.90u
    NHL-P:  11-4  (73.3%)  +7.00u

    MLB:  79-61-3 (56.4%)  +17.75u


    Los Angeles Dodgers (-120)

    Milwaukee has only scored 11 runs in their last 5 games (average of 2.2 runs per game).  If there's any pitcher that could push this average lower, it's the strikeout-kid Clayton Kershaw.  He has top 5 numbers in almost every pitching category - advanced AND standard metrics.  He averages close to 10 K/9 with a K/B ratio above 4.  He's holding batters to an average close to .200.  Estrada doesn't have anything near this good.  He has a very poor GB% and he struggles mightily against left-handers.  Oddly enough, despite the Dodgers right-handed power hitters, they have better numbers against righties on the season.  But to keep this simple, the starting pitcher discrepancy is too much to ignore.  Much like the Tampa Bay @ Boston game yesterday, we have an elite pitcher (in this case a top 5 pitcher) at basically a pick'em spread against a team that has had trouble hitting and scoring in recent games.  I wouldn't be surprised to see a big goose egg on the scoreboard next to Milwaukee today.  Dodgers will win to avoid the sweep behind their ace in this get-away-day-game.  I will be looking for home games to fade the Brewers through the rest of the season, and this is a great place to start.  Don't be suckered into taking the Brewers at home at plus money:  the Dodgers is the only play today.


    On what planet is a .218 avg against lefties considered struggling
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    NBA:  90-67  (57.3%)  +19.90u
    NBA-P:  30-16  (65.2%)  +18.25u
    NCAA:  8-1  (88.9%)  +7.90u
    NHL-P:  11-4  (73.3%)  +7.00u

    MLB:  79-61-3 (56.4%)  +17.75u


    Los Angeles Dodgers (-120)

    Milwaukee has only scored 11 runs in their last 5 games (average of 2.2 runs per game).  If there's any pitcher that could push this average lower, it's the strikeout-kid Clayton Kershaw.  He has top 5 numbers in almost every pitching category - advanced AND standard metrics.  He averages close to 10 K/9 with a K/B ratio above 4.  He's holding batters to an average close to .200.  Estrada doesn't have anything near this good.  He has a very poor GB% and he struggles mightily against left-handers.  Oddly enough, despite the Dodgers right-handed power hitters, they have better numbers against righties on the season.  But to keep this simple, the starting pitcher discrepancy is too much to ignore.  Much like the Tampa Bay @ Boston game yesterday, we have an elite pitcher (in this case a top 5 pitcher) at basically a pick'em spread against a team that has had trouble hitting and scoring in recent games.  I wouldn't be surprised to see a big goose egg on the scoreboard next to Milwaukee today.  Dodgers will win to avoid the sweep behind their ace in this get-away-day-game.  I will be looking for home games to fade the Brewers through the rest of the season, and this is a great place to start.  Don't be suckered into taking the Brewers at home at plus money:  the Dodgers is the only play today.


    On what planet is a .218 avg against lefties considered struggling
     
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    Posted: Aug. 18, 2011 - 12:43 PM ET #3

    Brewers are very solid at home, they win this late with the bullpen
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    Brewers are very solid at home, they win this late with the bullpen
     
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    Posted: Aug. 18, 2011 - 12:46 PM ET #4

    I would not recommend trusting the Skidmarks today.  Clayton Kershaw is the real deal, but the Deadass Dodgers being favored in Miller Park because of him is crazy.  His team is such a pile of crap that they've only been able to win half of his road starts this year.  It doesn't even matter who the Brewers are throwing out there today.  The Skids will find a way to lose this one.  In fact, they'll probably get killed.

     

     

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    I would not recommend trusting the Skidmarks today.  Clayton Kershaw is the real deal, but the Deadass Dodgers being favored in Miller Park because of him is crazy.  His team is such a pile of crap that they've only been able to win half of his road starts this year.  It doesn't even matter who the Brewers are throwing out there today.  The Skids will find a way to lose this one.  In fact, they'll probably get killed.

     

     

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    Posted: Aug. 18, 2011 - 12:48 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by fedex11204:



    On what planet is a .218 avg against lefties considered struggling


    The .218 BA against lefties is his only good stat to speak of.. these are the rest of his important numbers:

    4.3 FIP     4.27 xFIP

    4.5 BB/9     1.82 K/BB

    He doesn't have a lot of innings pitched, so I don't find many of these numbers extremely relevant.  That being said, I think his left-handed opponent BA is more a product of luck at this point than it is skill.  The fact is, he walks a lot of lefties and his advanced stats indicate to me that his low BA against lefties is due to regress. 

    Surface stats can be very misleading, fedex.  The advanced metrics are where value is found and where money can be made.

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    On what planet is a .218 avg against lefties considered struggling


    The .218 BA against lefties is his only good stat to speak of.. these are the rest of his important numbers:

    4.3 FIP     4.27 xFIP

    4.5 BB/9     1.82 K/BB

    He doesn't have a lot of innings pitched, so I don't find many of these numbers extremely relevant.  That being said, I think his left-handed opponent BA is more a product of luck at this point than it is skill.  The fact is, he walks a lot of lefties and his advanced stats indicate to me that his low BA against lefties is due to regress. 

    Surface stats can be very misleading, fedex.  The advanced metrics are where value is found and where money can be made.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 18, 2011 - 12:49 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by si1ly:

    NBA:  90-67  (57.3%)  +19.90u
    NBA-P:  30-16  (65.2%)  +18.25u
    NCAA:  8-1  (88.9%)  +7.90u
    NHL-P:  11-4  (73.3%)  +7.00u

    MLB:  79-61-3 (56.4%)  +17.75u


    Los Angeles Dodgers (-120)

    Milwaukee has only scored 11 runs in their last 5 games (average of 2.2 runs per game).  If there's any pitcher that could push this average lower, it's the strikeout-kid Clayton Kershaw.  He has top 5 numbers in almost every pitching category - advanced AND standard metrics.  He averages close to 10 K/9 with a K/B ratio above 4.  He's holding batters to an average close to .200.  Estrada doesn't have anything near this good.  He has a very poor GB% and he struggles mightily against left-handers.  Oddly enough, despite the Dodgers right-handed power hitters, they have better numbers against righties on the season.  But to keep this simple, the starting pitcher discrepancy is too much to ignore.  Much like the Tampa Bay @ Boston game yesterday, we have an elite pitcher (in this case a top 5 pitcher) at basically a pick'em spread against a team that has had trouble hitting and scoring in recent games.  I wouldn't be surprised to see a big goose egg on the scoreboard next to Milwaukee today.  Dodgers will win to avoid the sweep behind their ace in this get-away-day-game.  I will be looking for home games to fade the Brewers through the rest of the season, and this is a great place to start.  Don't be suckered into taking the Brewers at home at plus money:  the Dodgers is the only play today.

    If the umps call a fair game(strike-zone) for the Dodgers with Selig watching and all then they might have a chance, if not then it will be like walk, walk, sacrifice ,weak grounder for a run, walk, walk bases loaded then sac. fly 2-0 Brewers. Do this twice in the game and there goes the ballgame.4-3 home team.

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    NBA:  90-67  (57.3%)  +19.90u
    NBA-P:  30-16  (65.2%)  +18.25u
    NCAA:  8-1  (88.9%)  +7.90u
    NHL-P:  11-4  (73.3%)  +7.00u

    MLB:  79-61-3 (56.4%)  +17.75u


    Los Angeles Dodgers (-120)

    Milwaukee has only scored 11 runs in their last 5 games (average of 2.2 runs per game).  If there's any pitcher that could push this average lower, it's the strikeout-kid Clayton Kershaw.  He has top 5 numbers in almost every pitching category - advanced AND standard metrics.  He averages close to 10 K/9 with a K/B ratio above 4.  He's holding batters to an average close to .200.  Estrada doesn't have anything near this good.  He has a very poor GB% and he struggles mightily against left-handers.  Oddly enough, despite the Dodgers right-handed power hitters, they have better numbers against righties on the season.  But to keep this simple, the starting pitcher discrepancy is too much to ignore.  Much like the Tampa Bay @ Boston game yesterday, we have an elite pitcher (in this case a top 5 pitcher) at basically a pick'em spread against a team that has had trouble hitting and scoring in recent games.  I wouldn't be surprised to see a big goose egg on the scoreboard next to Milwaukee today.  Dodgers will win to avoid the sweep behind their ace in this get-away-day-game.  I will be looking for home games to fade the Brewers through the rest of the season, and this is a great place to start.  Don't be suckered into taking the Brewers at home at plus money:  the Dodgers is the only play today.

    If the umps call a fair game(strike-zone) for the Dodgers with Selig watching and all then they might have a chance, if not then it will be like walk, walk, sacrifice ,weak grounder for a run, walk, walk bases loaded then sac. fly 2-0 Brewers. Do this twice in the game and there goes the ballgame.4-3 home team.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 18, 2011 - 12:52 PM ET #7

    going with the better picthers today-4 team parlay

    dodgers, yanks, giants, and the blue jays----to the bank, to the bank, to the bank.

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    going with the better picthers today-4 team parlay

    dodgers, yanks, giants, and the blue jays----to the bank, to the bank, to the bank.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 18, 2011 - 12:52 PM ET #8

    His best pitch is his changeup so logic would say he would be more effective against lefties
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    His best pitch is his changeup so logic would say he would be more effective against lefties
     
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    Kershaw is probably the only SP for the Dodgers to avoid a sweep by the Brewers. I'm on LAD as well.
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    Posted: Aug. 18, 2011 - 12:55 PM ET #10

    bator are u playing milw?  or just hoping the doyyers will lose to satisfy your personal vendetta?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBator:

    I would not recommend trusting the Skidmarks today.  Clayton Kershaw is the real deal, but the Deadass Dodgers being favored in Miller Park because of him is crazy.  His team is such a pile of crap that they've only been able to win half of his road starts this year.  It doesn't even matter who the Brewers are throwing out there today.  The Skids will find a way to lose this one.  In fact, they'll probably get killed.

     

     

    Full disclosure:  I fucking hate the Dodgers (or as I now know them, the Skidmarks)



    I hear what you're saying Mr. Bator, but I guess I'm a sucker in believing that the Brewers 70% home winning percentage can't last the whole season.  Now that we're getting close to September, I will look very closely at any home game I feel the Brewers are over-matched.  With Kershaw on the mound, the Dodgers may only need a handful of runs for the win - and that's good enough for me. 

    (If this doesn't pan out then shame on me for betting the shit-stains on the road.)
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    I would not recommend trusting the Skidmarks today.  Clayton Kershaw is the real deal, but the Deadass Dodgers being favored in Miller Park because of him is crazy.  His team is such a pile of crap that they've only been able to win half of his road starts this year.  It doesn't even matter who the Brewers are throwing out there today.  The Skids will find a way to lose this one.  In fact, they'll probably get killed.

     

     

    Full disclosure:  I fucking hate the Dodgers (or as I now know them, the Skidmarks)



    I hear what you're saying Mr. Bator, but I guess I'm a sucker in believing that the Brewers 70% home winning percentage can't last the whole season.  Now that we're getting close to September, I will look very closely at any home game I feel the Brewers are over-matched.  With Kershaw on the mound, the Dodgers may only need a handful of runs for the win - and that's good enough for me. 

    (If this doesn't pan out then shame on me for betting the shit-stains on the road.)
     
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    dunno bro tough game it's either milwaukee or stay away
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    dunno bro tough game it's either milwaukee or stay away
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by si1ly:



    I hear what you're saying Mr. Bator, but I guess I'm a sucker in believing that the Brewers 70% home winning percentage can't last the whole season. 

     

     

    When the Brewers returned home from a road trip back on June 20th, I entertained thoughts of fading them at home thinking their 25-9 record at Miller Park was due to regress.  I bet against them that night and won....and then lost my next three attempts.  The Brewers have gone an incredible 22-6 at home since starting the season an incredible 25-9.  Don't make the mistake of thinking they can't keep this shit going, ESPECIALLY against the apathetic Skidmarks. 

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    I hear what you're saying Mr. Bator, but I guess I'm a sucker in believing that the Brewers 70% home winning percentage can't last the whole season. 

     

     

    When the Brewers returned home from a road trip back on June 20th, I entertained thoughts of fading them at home thinking their 25-9 record at Miller Park was due to regress.  I bet against them that night and won....and then lost my next three attempts.  The Brewers have gone an incredible 22-6 at home since starting the season an incredible 25-9.  Don't make the mistake of thinking they can't keep this shit going, ESPECIALLY against the apathetic Skidmarks. 

     
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    bator are u playing milw?  or just hoping the doyyers will lose to satisfy your personal vendetta?

     

     

    Here's how little I think of the Skidmarks - buffalo11 is on the Brewers today and I'm taking them anyway. 

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    bator are u playing milw?  or just hoping the doyyers will lose to satisfy your personal vendetta?

     

     

    Here's how little I think of the Skidmarks - buffalo11 is on the Brewers today and I'm taking them anyway. 

     
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    Brewers haven't seen Clayton since May of 2010 but they hit him pretty hard in that game. Clayton also hasn't pitched much on the road this yr in a non divisional game. I think maybe 4 or 5 starts.

    Dodgers can't hit.. Shouldn't be favored. Definitely should not be favored at Miller Park. Doesn't really matter who Brewers are throwing. Dodgers are probably still half asleep anyway. They aren't used to a 1PM Central game.

    Why give yourself the headache of watching the pathetic Dodgers struggling to score a single run.. Enjoy the day and get ready for tonight. GL whatever.
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    Brewers haven't seen Clayton since May of 2010 but they hit him pretty hard in that game. Clayton also hasn't pitched much on the road this yr in a non divisional game. I think maybe 4 or 5 starts.

    Dodgers can't hit.. Shouldn't be favored. Definitely should not be favored at Miller Park. Doesn't really matter who Brewers are throwing. Dodgers are probably still half asleep anyway. They aren't used to a 1PM Central game.

    Why give yourself the headache of watching the pathetic Dodgers struggling to score a single run.. Enjoy the day and get ready for tonight. GL whatever.
     
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    Can the Brewers really keep up a 76% home winning percentage?

    They have 19 home games remaining on the schedule.  Right now they're 47-15 at home.  I'd bet that their winning percentage falls below 70% (which still is insane).  For this to happen, they would have to go 9-10 for the rest of the season. 

    You can be sure that they'll be favored in almost every home game the rest of the way.  So to be profitable, the Brewers could go 11-8 or worse in their remaining home games (if you were to bet against them in every home game).  I believe there is a decent chance that this happens.
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    Can the Brewers really keep up a 76% home winning percentage?

    They have 19 home games remaining on the schedule.  Right now they're 47-15 at home.  I'd bet that their winning percentage falls below 70% (which still is insane).  For this to happen, they would have to go 9-10 for the rest of the season. 

    You can be sure that they'll be favored in almost every home game the rest of the way.  So to be profitable, the Brewers could go 11-8 or worse in their remaining home games (if you were to bet against them in every home game).  I believe there is a decent chance that this happens.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBator:

     

     

    Here's how little I think of the Skidmarks - buffalo11 is on the Brewers today and I'm taking them anyway. 

     

     

    Well, he made it sound like he was on them.  If he isn't, then the Brew Crew is home free.

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    Here's how little I think of the Skidmarks - buffalo11 is on the Brewers today and I'm taking them anyway. 

     

     

    Well, he made it sound like he was on them.  If he isn't, then the Brew Crew is home free.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBator:

    Here's how little I think of the Skidmarks - buffalo11 is on the Brewers today and I'm taking them anyway. 




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    Here's how little I think of the Skidmarks - buffalo11 is on the Brewers today and I'm taking them anyway. 




     
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    Quote Originally Posted by si1ly:

    Can the Brewers really keep up a 76% home winning percentage?

    They have 19 home games remaining on the schedule.  Right now they're 47-15 at home.  I'd bet that their winning percentage falls below 70% (which still is insane).  For this to happen, they would have to go 9-10 for the rest of the season. 

    You can be sure that they'll be favored in almost every home game the rest of the way.  So to be profitable, the Brewers could go 11-8 or worse in their remaining home games (if you were to bet against them in every home game).  I believe there is a decent chance that this happens.

     

     

    Then wait for them to be laying big chalk.  Don't LAY chalk against them with the dogshit Dodgers!

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    Can the Brewers really keep up a 76% home winning percentage?

    They have 19 home games remaining on the schedule.  Right now they're 47-15 at home.  I'd bet that their winning percentage falls below 70% (which still is insane).  For this to happen, they would have to go 9-10 for the rest of the season. 

    You can be sure that they'll be favored in almost every home game the rest of the way.  So to be profitable, the Brewers could go 11-8 or worse in their remaining home games (if you were to bet against them in every home game).  I believe there is a decent chance that this happens.

     

     

    Then wait for them to be laying big chalk.  Don't LAY chalk against them with the dogshit Dodgers!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBator:

     

     

    Well, he made it sound like he was on them.  If he isn't, then the Brew Crew is home free.




    im staying away from this game chump
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    Well, he made it sound like he was on them.  If he isn't, then the Brew Crew is home free.




    im staying away from this game chump
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by buffalo11:




    im staying away from this game chump

     

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    im staying away from this game chump

     

     
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    Great write-up, BTW, si1ly 
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    How about an Under? Anyone think this might be a good bet? All arguments say Kershaw should dominate or Dodgers bats can't hit. So why not take both of those arguments and take under... am I being a sucker?
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    How about an Under? Anyone think this might be a good bet? All arguments say Kershaw should dominate or Dodgers bats can't hit. So why not take both of those arguments and take under... am I being a sucker?
     
     
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