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    10:10 EST - Milwaukee Brewers @ Arizona Diamondbacks

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    '10-11 NBA:  90-67  (57.3%)  +19.90u
    '10-11 NBA-P:  30-16  (65.2%)  +18.25u
    '10-11 NCAAB:  8-1  (88.9%)  +7.90u
    '10-11 NHL-P:  11-4  (73.3%)  +7.00u
    '10-11 MLB:  97-66  (59.8%)  +31.61u
    '10-11 MLB-P:  9-3  (75.0%)  +9.22u
    '11-12 NCAAF:  16-21  (43.2%)  -7.40u
    '11-12 NCAAF-P:  9-6  (60.0%)  +1.65u
    '11-12 NFL:  42-35-1  (54.5%)  +5.05u
    '11-12 NFL-P:  5-5  (50.0%)  -0.40u
    '11-12 NCAAB:  9-3  (75.0%)  +5.70u
    '11-12 NCAAB-P:  5-3  (62.5%)  +1.60u
    '11-12 NBA:  77-80 (49.0%)  -13.28u
    '11-12 NBA-P:  13-14-1 (48.8%)  -1.40u

    '11-12 MLB:  3-1 (75.0%)  +1.68u


    10:10 EST - Milwaukee Brewers (-125)

    Continuing the theme I set last night of elite pitchers catching value on the road against over-rated pitchers due to regress.  This line is quite the bargain.  My SABRmetric model projects a 65.8% win-probability for the Brewers.  The opening Vegas line of -125 suggests a 53.2% win-percentage and there are even more favorable lines available now.  This type of discrepancy would usually warrant a 2-unit wager but I kept this only 1u for two reasons.  First, the Brewers have never faced Miley before so the unfamiliarity factor is against us.  Second, it's too early in the season for me to start throwing around rare 2-unit bets.. I'll give the SABRmetrics some more time to settle before I get comfortable dropping big coin on any single baseball game.  Let's take a look at why the Brewers have such a big advantage.  It begins with starting pitching.  On the surface you might think Wade Miley is a pretty even match with Greinke, but that's far from true.  Sure he has the 7th lowest ERA at 1.91, but his advanced predictors indicate he's due to regress (he ranks #84 in SIERA and #88 in xFIP).  He's only average in terms of strikeout efficiency and he's below average in forcing grounders.  All-in-all, Miley is my #69th ranked starting pitcher (a solid 2 / 3 spot in the rotation).  On the other side of the mound Greinke sports a higher ERA than Miley, but his advanced numbers tell a very different story.  He ranks #4 in SIERA, #3 in FIP, #3 in xFIP, #12 in K/BB and #25 in GB/FB.  Not only does he have elite numbers in all of the key advanced statistical metrics, but he actually might improve on some of those numbers.  His BABIP of .325 indicates that he's been unlucky with balls hit in play.  For a guy that sits #1 among all starting pitchers, that's quite a statement.  Not only do the Brewers have a big advantage in starting pitching, they have the edge in hitting splits too.  They rank #9 against lefties (Miley is L) compared to #17 against righties.  The reverse is true for Arizona who ranks #19 against righties (Greinke is R) and #10 against lefties.  The bullpens are dead even but Arizona does have an advantage in fielding.  Shouldn't be a big issue since Greinke is averaging a K per inning and keeping most balls in play on the ground.  Despite only a 1.3:1 GB/FB ratio, Miley has benefited from the 13th lowest HR/FB ratio in the majors.  Well, Milwaukee is ranked #7 in Power hitting (ISO) and he's throwing in the third most hitter-friendly park.  I like Milwaukee to tear the cover off the ball tonight and send Miley's numbers north where they belong.  Greinke should continue to be Greinke - a bonafide ace.
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    '10-11 NBA:  90-67  (57.3%)  +19.90u
    '10-11 NBA-P:  30-16  (65.2%)  +18.25u
    '10-11 NCAAB:  8-1  (88.9%)  +7.90u
    '10-11 NHL-P:  11-4  (73.3%)  +7.00u
    '10-11 MLB:  97-66  (59.8%)  +31.61u
    '10-11 MLB-P:  9-3  (75.0%)  +9.22u
    '11-12 NCAAF:  16-21  (43.2%)  -7.40u
    '11-12 NCAAF-P:  9-6  (60.0%)  +1.65u
    '11-12 NFL:  42-35-1  (54.5%)  +5.05u
    '11-12 NFL-P:  5-5  (50.0%)  -0.40u
    '11-12 NCAAB:  9-3  (75.0%)  +5.70u
    '11-12 NCAAB-P:  5-3  (62.5%)  +1.60u
    '11-12 NBA:  77-80 (49.0%)  -13.28u
    '11-12 NBA-P:  13-14-1 (48.8%)  -1.40u

    '11-12 MLB:  3-1 (75.0%)  +1.68u


    10:10 EST - Milwaukee Brewers (-125)

    Continuing the theme I set last night of elite pitchers catching value on the road against over-rated pitchers due to regress.  This line is quite the bargain.  My SABRmetric model projects a 65.8% win-probability for the Brewers.  The opening Vegas line of -125 suggests a 53.2% win-percentage and there are even more favorable lines available now.  This type of discrepancy would usually warrant a 2-unit wager but I kept this only 1u for two reasons.  First, the Brewers have never faced Miley before so the unfamiliarity factor is against us.  Second, it's too early in the season for me to start throwing around rare 2-unit bets.. I'll give the SABRmetrics some more time to settle before I get comfortable dropping big coin on any single baseball game.  Let's take a look at why the Brewers have such a big advantage.  It begins with starting pitching.  On the surface you might think Wade Miley is a pretty even match with Greinke, but that's far from true.  Sure he has the 7th lowest ERA at 1.91, but his advanced predictors indicate he's due to regress (he ranks #84 in SIERA and #88 in xFIP).  He's only average in terms of strikeout efficiency and he's below average in forcing grounders.  All-in-all, Miley is my #69th ranked starting pitcher (a solid 2 / 3 spot in the rotation).  On the other side of the mound Greinke sports a higher ERA than Miley, but his advanced numbers tell a very different story.  He ranks #4 in SIERA, #3 in FIP, #3 in xFIP, #12 in K/BB and #25 in GB/FB.  Not only does he have elite numbers in all of the key advanced statistical metrics, but he actually might improve on some of those numbers.  His BABIP of .325 indicates that he's been unlucky with balls hit in play.  For a guy that sits #1 among all starting pitchers, that's quite a statement.  Not only do the Brewers have a big advantage in starting pitching, they have the edge in hitting splits too.  They rank #9 against lefties (Miley is L) compared to #17 against righties.  The reverse is true for Arizona who ranks #19 against righties (Greinke is R) and #10 against lefties.  The bullpens are dead even but Arizona does have an advantage in fielding.  Shouldn't be a big issue since Greinke is averaging a K per inning and keeping most balls in play on the ground.  Despite only a 1.3:1 GB/FB ratio, Miley has benefited from the 13th lowest HR/FB ratio in the majors.  Well, Milwaukee is ranked #7 in Power hitting (ISO) and he's throwing in the third most hitter-friendly park.  I like Milwaukee to tear the cover off the ball tonight and send Miley's numbers north where they belong.  Greinke should continue to be Greinke - a bonafide ace.
     
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    Posted: May. 26, 2012 - 5:48 PM ET #2

    LOVE the Brewers ill take Greinke at -117 everyday of the week
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    Posted: May. 26, 2012 - 5:52 PM ET #3

     on it
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    Posted: May. 26, 2012 - 5:57 PM ET #4

    Looks good
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    Posted: May. 26, 2012 - 6:16 PM ET #6

    Great stuff sil1y, hope you put all that in a sheet like you did with the NBA data.... -125 is 55.5% probability if I'm not wrong, but huge value nevertheless. Good luck.
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    Great stuff sil1y, hope you put all that in a sheet like you did with the NBA data.... -125 is 55.5% probability if I'm not wrong, but huge value nevertheless. Good luck.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gogic:

    Great stuff sil1y, hope you put all that in a sheet like you did with the NBA data.... -125 is 55.5% probability if I'm not wrong, but huge value nevertheless. Good luck.


    You're right -125 translates to 55.5% if you use the Vegas scale.  But I'm converting the win probability onto a 100 point scale to eliminate the VIG percentage.  Makes it easier to compare to the win probability projected from my model which is out of an even 100%.

    -125     =     55.5%
    +105     =     48.8%
    Total     =     104.3%     (4.3% VIG)

    Adjusted percentages are 53.2% + 46.8% = 100.0%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gogic:

    Great stuff sil1y, hope you put all that in a sheet like you did with the NBA data.... -125 is 55.5% probability if I'm not wrong, but huge value nevertheless. Good luck.


    You're right -125 translates to 55.5% if you use the Vegas scale.  But I'm converting the win probability onto a 100 point scale to eliminate the VIG percentage.  Makes it easier to compare to the win probability projected from my model which is out of an even 100%.

    -125     =     55.5%
    +105     =     48.8%
    Total     =     104.3%     (4.3% VIG)

    Adjusted percentages are 53.2% + 46.8% = 100.0%
     
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    And yes, I have a sheet with all this data and much much more that I will be publishing daily for the MLB season.  Just like the NBA, it includes a proprietary prediction model that outputs an expected total score and win probability for each team.  I'm hoping to finish formatting the data tonight so I can begin publishing the sheets tomorrow.  As you can imagine, this sheet is much more complex to produce since in addition to the 30 teams, there are 193 starting pitchers in the MLB that each have complex data sets to coordinate into the sheets as well.
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    And yes, I have a sheet with all this data and much much more that I will be publishing daily for the MLB season.  Just like the NBA, it includes a proprietary prediction model that outputs an expected total score and win probability for each team.  I'm hoping to finish formatting the data tonight so I can begin publishing the sheets tomorrow.  As you can imagine, this sheet is much more complex to produce since in addition to the 30 teams, there are 193 starting pitchers in the MLB that each have complex data sets to coordinate into the sheets as well.
     
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    Posted: May. 26, 2012 - 6:32 PM ET #9

    I got Brewers at -117
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    I think the Dbacks get this game tonight.  Miley is a bull dog on the mound and they have been playing good ball behind him.  
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    I think the Dbacks get this game tonight.  Miley is a bull dog on the mound and they have been playing good ball behind him.  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by hotshots23:

    I think the Dbacks get this game tonight.  Miley is a bull dog on the mound and they have been playing good ball behind him.  


    Not as big a bulldog as Greinke is
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    I think the Dbacks get this game tonight.  Miley is a bull dog on the mound and they have been playing good ball behind him.  


    Not as big a bulldog as Greinke is
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by arrowheadpride:

    I got Brewers at -117


    I was over-anxious last night when I grabbed the opener.  The thought of having a game that I handicapped with a -195 line at only -125 caused me to over-look the potential line-movement towards Miley's crazy low ERA.  I saw Milwaukee as low as -111 today.  Would have loved to save 14 cents on the dollar, but beggars can't be choosers.  This line is a bargain at any of these prices.  Good luck tonight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arrowheadpride:

    I got Brewers at -117


    I was over-anxious last night when I grabbed the opener.  The thought of having a game that I handicapped with a -195 line at only -125 caused me to over-look the potential line-movement towards Miley's crazy low ERA.  I saw Milwaukee as low as -111 today.  Would have loved to save 14 cents on the dollar, but beggars can't be choosers.  This line is a bargain at any of these prices.  Good luck tonight.
     
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    Posted: May. 26, 2012 - 6:40 PM ET #13

    Nice
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    Quote Originally Posted by si1ly:



    I was over-anxious last night when I grabbed the opener.  The thought of having a game that I handicapped with a -195 line at only -125 caused me to over-look the potential line-movement towards Miley's crazy low ERA.  I saw Milwaukee as low as -111 today.  Would have loved to save 14 cents on the dollar, but beggars can't be choosers.  This line is a bargain at any of these prices.  Good luck tonight.


    I dont blame you it should be much higher than it is
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    I was over-anxious last night when I grabbed the opener.  The thought of having a game that I handicapped with a -195 line at only -125 caused me to over-look the potential line-movement towards Miley's crazy low ERA.  I saw Milwaukee as low as -111 today.  Would have loved to save 14 cents on the dollar, but beggars can't be choosers.  This line is a bargain at any of these prices.  Good luck tonight.


    I dont blame you it should be much higher than it is
     
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    Posted: May. 26, 2012 - 6:54 PM ET #15

    Sily Thats. Dry impressive info I might just have to roll with you and not my gut.  
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    Sily Thats. Dry impressive info I might just have to roll with you and not my gut.  
     
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    Posted: May. 26, 2012 - 7:04 PM ET #16

    Very*
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    Posted: May. 26, 2012 - 7:37 PM ET #17

    Agreed GL
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    Posted: May. 26, 2012 - 7:38 PM ET #18

    Alright buddy, you sold me.  I am gonna roll with you tonight.  Still a bit aprehensive about Greinke on the road, but I respect your knowledge of the game even more so. 

    Just starting to venture into SABRmetrics myself.  Strongly believe in it, but a bit overwhelmed trying to make sense of it all.  Best of luck my friend, let's get this tonight!

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    Alright buddy, you sold me.  I am gonna roll with you tonight.  Still a bit aprehensive about Greinke on the road, but I respect your knowledge of the game even more so. 

    Just starting to venture into SABRmetrics myself.  Strongly believe in it, but a bit overwhelmed trying to make sense of it all.  Best of luck my friend, let's get this tonight!

     
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    Posted: May. 26, 2012 - 8:19 PM ET #19

    Hi Si1ly,

    THANK YOU for last night's play!!!

    Let's keep the rolling in!!!

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    Hi Si1ly,

    THANK YOU for last night's play!!!

    Let's keep the rolling in!!!

     
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    Posted: May. 26, 2012 - 8:22 PM ET #20

    under this game.
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    under this game.
     
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    Posted: May. 26, 2012 - 8:34 PM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze4Fire:

    under this game.


    Agreed.  My model is showing 6.99 total runs.  Excellent value on the under.  I don't like to play the side and total in the same game, but it was a strong lean of mine nonetheless.
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    under this game.


    Agreed.  My model is showing 6.99 total runs.  Excellent value on the under.  I don't like to play the side and total in the same game, but it was a strong lean of mine nonetheless.
     
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    Posted: May. 26, 2012 - 8:56 PM ET #22

     I really hope you are right si1ly...


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     I really hope you are right si1ly...


     
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    Posted: May. 26, 2012 - 9:11 PM ET #23

    Quote Originally Posted by si1ly:



    I was over-anxious last night when I grabbed the opener.  The thought of having a game that I handicapped with a -195 line at only -125 caused me to over-look the potential line-movement towards Miley's crazy low ERA.  I saw Milwaukee as low as -111 today.  Would have loved to save 14 cents on the dollar, but beggars can't be choosers.  This line is a bargain at any of these prices.  Good luck tonight.


    Grienke is always over-anxious.
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    I was over-anxious last night when I grabbed the opener.  The thought of having a game that I handicapped with a -195 line at only -125 caused me to over-look the potential line-movement towards Miley's crazy low ERA.  I saw Milwaukee as low as -111 today.  Would have loved to save 14 cents on the dollar, but beggars can't be choosers.  This line is a bargain at any of these prices.  Good luck tonight.


    Grienke is always over-anxious.
     
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    Posted: May. 26, 2012 - 9:12 PM ET #24

    What do you think about the RL for this one? Parlay it with LAD RL, BIG profit 
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    Posted: May. 26, 2012 - 9:20 PM ET #25

    Quote Originally Posted by ManassaMauler:



    Grienke is always over-anxious.


    Hahaha  
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    Grienke is always over-anxious.


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