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    UFC 232: Jones vs. Gustafsson 2 (12/29/18)

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    UFC 232

    Venue: T-Mobile Arena
    Location: Las Vegas, Nevada

    Pay Per View - Main Card - 10:00 PM ET
    Jon Jones vs Alexander Gustafsson
    Cris Cyborg vs Amanda Nunes
    Carlos Condit vs Michael Chiesa
    Ilir Latifi vs Corey Anderson
    Chad Mendes vs Alexander Volkanovski
    FS1 - Prelims - 8:00 PM ET
    Andrei Arlovski vs Walt Harris
    Cat Zingano vs Megan Anderson
    Douglas Silva De Andrade vs Petr Yan
    BJ Penn vs Ryan Hall
    UFC Fight Pass - Early Prelims - 6:30 PM ET
    Nathaniel Wood vs Andre Ewell
    Uriah Hall vs Bevon Lewis
    Curtis Millender vs Siyar Bahadurzada
    Brian Kelleher vs Montel Jackson
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    UFC 232

    Venue: T-Mobile Arena
    Location: Las Vegas, Nevada

    Pay Per View - Main Card - 10:00 PM ET
    Jon Jones vs Alexander Gustafsson
    Cris Cyborg vs Amanda Nunes
    Carlos Condit vs Michael Chiesa
    Ilir Latifi vs Corey Anderson
    Chad Mendes vs Alexander Volkanovski
    FS1 - Prelims - 8:00 PM ET
    Andrei Arlovski vs Walt Harris
    Cat Zingano vs Megan Anderson
    Douglas Silva De Andrade vs Petr Yan
    BJ Penn vs Ryan Hall
    UFC Fight Pass - Early Prelims - 6:30 PM ET
    Nathaniel Wood vs Andre Ewell
    Uriah Hall vs Bevon Lewis
    Curtis Millender vs Siyar Bahadurzada
    Brian Kelleher vs Montel Jackson
     
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    Opening Odds (5Dimes)

    Jon Jones (-190)
    Alexander Gustafsson (+150)

    Cris Cyborg (-280)
    Amanda Nunes (+200)

    Carlos Condit (+135)
    Michael Chiesa (-165)

    Ilir Latifi (-180)
    Corey Anderson (+150)

    Chad Mendes (-130)
    Alexander Volkanovski (-110)

    Andrei Arlovski (+160)
    Walt Harris (-195)

    Cat Zingano (-140)
    Megan Anderson (+110)

    Douglas Silva De Andrade (+190)
    Petr Yan (-250)

    BJ Penn (+230)
    Ryan Hall (-290)

    Nathaniel Wood (-210)
    Andre Ewell (+160)

    Uriah Hall (-135)
    Bevon Lewis (+105)

    Curtis Millender (-215)
    Siyar Bahadurzada (+170)

    Brian Kelleher (+110)
    Montel Jackson (-150)
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    Opening Odds (5Dimes)

    Jon Jones (-190)
    Alexander Gustafsson (+150)

    Cris Cyborg (-280)
    Amanda Nunes (+200)

    Carlos Condit (+135)
    Michael Chiesa (-165)

    Ilir Latifi (-180)
    Corey Anderson (+150)

    Chad Mendes (-130)
    Alexander Volkanovski (-110)

    Andrei Arlovski (+160)
    Walt Harris (-195)

    Cat Zingano (-140)
    Megan Anderson (+110)

    Douglas Silva De Andrade (+190)
    Petr Yan (-250)

    BJ Penn (+230)
    Ryan Hall (-290)

    Nathaniel Wood (-210)
    Andre Ewell (+160)

    Uriah Hall (-135)
    Bevon Lewis (+105)

    Curtis Millender (-215)
    Siyar Bahadurzada (+170)

    Brian Kelleher (+110)
    Montel Jackson (-150)
     
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    Not necessarily a big Jon Jones fan but he will destroy Gus i truly believe. Is he a cheater(eye pokes, steroids)? Maybe. Is he a POS fake nice guy? Pretty sure. Is he the greatest pure fighter of all time? Yes. He will be the last leg in multiple parlays for me.

    Meagan Anderson looks to be a solid play. She's too big/strong and has range and its been shown that if Cat can't overpower you and break your will her options are limited with her skillset.

    2 all time faves are fighting winnable fights IMO. Not sure why BJ is still fighting but he has a realistic shot to beat Ryan Hall I think and Condit, who hasn't been the same since his ACL injury, can beat overrated Chiesa as long as he doesn't give him his back thinking he can't be submitted. Interesting card

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    Not necessarily a big Jon Jones fan but he will destroy Gus i truly believe. Is he a cheater(eye pokes, steroids)? Maybe. Is he a POS fake nice guy? Pretty sure. Is he the greatest pure fighter of all time? Yes. He will be the last leg in multiple parlays for me.

    Meagan Anderson looks to be a solid play. She's too big/strong and has range and its been shown that if Cat can't overpower you and break your will her options are limited with her skillset.

    2 all time faves are fighting winnable fights IMO. Not sure why BJ is still fighting but he has a realistic shot to beat Ryan Hall I think and Condit, who hasn't been the same since his ACL injury, can beat overrated Chiesa as long as he doesn't give him his back thinking he can't be submitted. Interesting card

    Straight cash homiepeace_5

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2018 - 4:17 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by FloridaState:

    Not necessarily a big Jon Jones fan but he will destroy Gus i truly believe. Is he a cheater(eye pokes, steroids)? Maybe. Is he a POS fake nice guy? Pretty sure. Is he the greatest pure fighter of all time? Yes. He will be the last leg in multiple parlays for me. Meagan Anderson looks to be a solid play. She's too big/strong and has range and its been shown that if Cat can't overpower you and break your will her options are limited with her skillset. 2 all time faves are fighting winnable fights IMO. Not sure why BJ is still fighting but he has a realistic shot to beat Ryan Hall I think and Condit, who hasn't been the same since his ACL injury, can beat overrated Chiesa as long as he doesn't give him his back thinking he can't be submitted. Interesting card Straight cash homie
    destroy Gus lol, Gus beat first time, he struggled a lot with Gus being same height and reach couldn't pull off his usually striking his distance elbows it frustafrus him alot. He most likely win but one fight in 2 years after 1 in 2 before. Watch the inbein-bet rds of DC 2 fight he looked exhausted.

    Cat is well rounded buy okay. Saying she limited but Megan looked like a lost fish on the ground against Holms and I love Holly but she has no ground skills and takedowns and she took Megan down over and over

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloridaState:

    Not necessarily a big Jon Jones fan but he will destroy Gus i truly believe. Is he a cheater(eye pokes, steroids)? Maybe. Is he a POS fake nice guy? Pretty sure. Is he the greatest pure fighter of all time? Yes. He will be the last leg in multiple parlays for me. Meagan Anderson looks to be a solid play. She's too big/strong and has range and its been shown that if Cat can't overpower you and break your will her options are limited with her skillset. 2 all time faves are fighting winnable fights IMO. Not sure why BJ is still fighting but he has a realistic shot to beat Ryan Hall I think and Condit, who hasn't been the same since his ACL injury, can beat overrated Chiesa as long as he doesn't give him his back thinking he can't be submitted. Interesting card Straight cash homie
    destroy Gus lol, Gus beat first time, he struggled a lot with Gus being same height and reach couldn't pull off his usually striking his distance elbows it frustafrus him alot. He most likely win but one fight in 2 years after 1 in 2 before. Watch the inbein-bet rds of DC 2 fight he looked exhausted.

    Cat is well rounded buy okay. Saying she limited but Megan looked like a lost fish on the ground against Holms and I love Holly but she has no ground skills and takedowns and she took Megan down over and over

     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2018 - 8:33 AM ET #6

    Well son of a B...I thought I knew what I was talking aboutan_eek2

    I'll change my picks

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    Well son of a B...I thought I knew what I was talking aboutan_eek2

    I'll change my picks

     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2018 - 1:50 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by FloridaState:

    Well son of a B...I thought I knew what I was talking about I'll change my picks
    they both can win easily . Just going off what I seen a lot of media people had Gus winning , even Jones corner told him he needed a finish in the 5th but it was a close fight can't be outraged Jon won. But his inactivity and how Gus was taller helped negate all Jones physical gifts . But it is Jon Jones wouldn't be surprised if he koed him then got popped but usada again lol . (Watch the first fight if you haven't seen it all time great fight).

    Megan has power, very early Holm fight and looked like Holm was stunned by a few punches and Holm has an amazing chin. 

    Zingano has always had power and solid striking loses we're only to very high lvl grapplers pena, jumping at Ronda falling giving up arm , and the #1 contender Brazilian chick this year (vieria something her name ) 

    Shown in her last fight with Marion Reneau she fight smart and took her down instead of striking with her . 

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloridaState:

    Well son of a B...I thought I knew what I was talking about I'll change my picks
    they both can win easily . Just going off what I seen a lot of media people had Gus winning , even Jones corner told him he needed a finish in the 5th but it was a close fight can't be outraged Jon won. But his inactivity and how Gus was taller helped negate all Jones physical gifts . But it is Jon Jones wouldn't be surprised if he koed him then got popped but usada again lol . (Watch the first fight if you haven't seen it all time great fight).

    Megan has power, very early Holm fight and looked like Holm was stunned by a few punches and Holm has an amazing chin. 

    Zingano has always had power and solid striking loses we're only to very high lvl grapplers pena, jumping at Ronda falling giving up arm , and the #1 contender Brazilian chick this year (vieria something her name ) 

    Shown in her last fight with Marion Reneau she fight smart and took her down instead of striking with her . 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2018 - 3:18 PM ET #8

    Really need a sarcasm fontbigsmile

    Gus/Jones was a heck of a scrap no doubt but more so because someone was actually competitive against Bones. Gus is all heart and he's top 5 LHW for sure but Jones was badly compromised early from the 1st round of that fight due to that cut, which was from a glancing punch from Gus. Gus had some moments but more pitter pat shots than fight enders. Alexander has a helluva chin he ate some hellacious spinning elbows and head kicks and looked almost as bad as Dan Hooker did this past weekend in that 5th round against Bones. 

    Gus hasn't fought since May '17. Jones will finish Alex this time be nice if it gets below -200

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    Really need a sarcasm fontbigsmile

    Gus/Jones was a heck of a scrap no doubt but more so because someone was actually competitive against Bones. Gus is all heart and he's top 5 LHW for sure but Jones was badly compromised early from the 1st round of that fight due to that cut, which was from a glancing punch from Gus. Gus had some moments but more pitter pat shots than fight enders. Alexander has a helluva chin he ate some hellacious spinning elbows and head kicks and looked almost as bad as Dan Hooker did this past weekend in that 5th round against Bones. 

    Gus hasn't fought since May '17. Jones will finish Alex this time be nice if it gets below -200

     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2018 - 3:25 PM ET #9

    Jones is still a prick but he's used this time to get stronger and improve his game...which is scary considering he got to be top pound for pound fighter in the world on God given talent alone while partying like a rock star. 

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    Jones is still a prick but he's used this time to get stronger and improve his game...which is scary considering he got to be top pound for pound fighter in the world on God given talent alone while partying like a rock star. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by FloridaState:

    Really need a sarcasm font Gus/Jones was a heck of a scrap no doubt but more so because someone was actually competitive against Bones. Gus is all heart and he's top 5 LHW for sure but Jones was badly compromised early from the 1st round of that fight due to that cut, which was from a glancing punch from Gus. Gus had some moments but more pitter pat shots than fight enders. Alexander has a helluva chin he ate some hellacious spinning elbows and head kicks and looked almost as bad as Dan Hooker did this past weekend in that 5th round against Bones.  Gus hasn't fought since May '17. Jones will finish Alex this time be nice if it gets below -200
    looked as bad as hooker okay yeah hope Gus finishes Jon's now 

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloridaState:

    Really need a sarcasm font Gus/Jones was a heck of a scrap no doubt but more so because someone was actually competitive against Bones. Gus is all heart and he's top 5 LHW for sure but Jones was badly compromised early from the 1st round of that fight due to that cut, which was from a glancing punch from Gus. Gus had some moments but more pitter pat shots than fight enders. Alexander has a helluva chin he ate some hellacious spinning elbows and head kicks and looked almost as bad as Dan Hooker did this past weekend in that 5th round against Bones.  Gus hasn't fought since May '17. Jones will finish Alex this time be nice if it gets below -200
    looked as bad as hooker okay yeah hope Gus finishes Jon's now 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2018 - 12:33 PM ET #11

    Jones -275 now.....an_cry

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    Jones -275 now.....an_cry

     
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    Jones vs Gustafsson 1 took place back when you still had to decisively beat the Champion to take his belt. Even though Alexander was able to take Jon down when no one else had done so before and do more damage to Jon than anyone had previously done to him, the right man won the fight.
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    Jones vs Gustafsson 1 took place back when you still had to decisively beat the Champion to take his belt. Even though Alexander was able to take Jon down when no one else had done so before and do more damage to Jon than anyone had previously done to him, the right man won the fight.
     
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    Lmao Jon positive for traces of turnibal 232 moving to California ; Nevada won't sanction him . Wonder what excuse he has already ready with a sample of trace Amy's in it already ready to get tested . an_praise

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    Lmao Jon positive for traces of turnibal 232 moving to California ; Nevada won't sanction him . Wonder what excuse he has already ready with a sample of trace Amy's in it already ready to get tested . an_praise

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by straight_cash:

    Jones vs Gustafsson 1 took place back when you still had to decisively beat the Champion to take his belt. Even though Alexander was able to take Jon down when no one else had done so before and do more damage to Jon than anyone had previously done to him, the right man won the fight.
    that kind of thinking is why Valentina is not the 135 champ an_cry. 

    Agreed no complaints in Jon getting the decision on that one but was stating how he said Jon was going to destroy him .

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    Quote Originally Posted by straight_cash:

    Jones vs Gustafsson 1 took place back when you still had to decisively beat the Champion to take his belt. Even though Alexander was able to take Jon down when no one else had done so before and do more damage to Jon than anyone had previously done to him, the right man won the fight.
    that kind of thinking is why Valentina is not the 135 champ an_cry. 

    Agreed no complaints in Jon getting the decision on that one but was stating how he said Jon was going to destroy him .

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayoh:

    Lmao Jon positive for traces of turnibal 232 moving to California ; Nevada won't sanction him . Wonder what excuse he has already ready with a sample of trace Amy's in it already ready to get tested . an_praise


    More controversy, no surprise. Sounds like it's an extremely small amount that showed up. Glad the fight is not off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayoh:

    Lmao Jon positive for traces of turnibal 232 moving to California ; Nevada won't sanction him . Wonder what excuse he has already ready with a sample of trace Amy's in it already ready to get tested . an_praise


    More controversy, no surprise. Sounds like it's an extremely small amount that showed up. Glad the fight is not off.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2018 - 12:05 AM ET #16

    Jon's response " I'm a clean athlete " an_roll_laugh

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    Jon's response " I'm a clean athlete " an_roll_laugh

     
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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2018 - 2:55 PM ET #17

    Jon Jones vs Alexander Gustafsson 1

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    Jon Jones vs Alexander Gustafsson 1

     
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    Posted: Dec. 25, 2018 - 2:10 PM ET #18

    https://www.bloodyelbow.com/platform/amp/2018/12/25/18152084/ufc-usada-fighters-concerns-inconsistencies-tom-lawlor-sean-omalley-jon-jones-drug-test-failures-mma

     

    A good read for for how usada is under UFC control.

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    https://www.bloodyelbow.com/platform/amp/2018/12/25/18152084/ufc-usada-fighters-concerns-inconsistencies-tom-lawlor-sean-omalley-jon-jones-drug-test-failures-mma

     

    A good read for for how usada is under UFC control.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 26, 2018 - 12:05 PM ET #19

    what a total scam move the entire PPV to protect this lifelong cheater/screwup
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    what a total scam move the entire PPV to protect this lifelong cheater/screwup
     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2018 - 3:42 PM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by straight_cash:

    Quote Originally Posted by jayoh:

    Lmao Jon positive for traces of turnibal 232 moving to California ; Nevada won't sanction him . Wonder what excuse he has already ready with a sample of trace Amy's in it already ready to get tested . 
    More controversy, no surprise. Sounds like it's an extremely small amount that showed up. Glad the fight is not off.

    Me too. Strange that Jon would knowingly be taking PED's after all the BS he just finished going through and having a fight coming up. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by straight_cash:

    Quote Originally Posted by jayoh:

    Lmao Jon positive for traces of turnibal 232 moving to California ; Nevada won't sanction him . Wonder what excuse he has already ready with a sample of trace Amy's in it already ready to get tested . 
    More controversy, no surprise. Sounds like it's an extremely small amount that showed up. Glad the fight is not off.

    Me too. Strange that Jon would knowingly be taking PED's after all the BS he just finished going through and having a fight coming up. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2018 - 3:46 PM ET #21

    ...and doesn't change anything, Bones will still destroy Gus and Dana will be ecstatic. Just facts not a fan...but I will be pulling/betting for him against DC if they force DC into that fight before retirement.

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    ...and doesn't change anything, Bones will still destroy Gus and Dana will be ecstatic. Just facts not a fan...but I will be pulling/betting for him against DC if they force DC into that fight before retirement.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2018 - 7:19 PM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by FloridaState:

    Quote Originally Posted by straight_cash:

    Quote Originally Posted by jayoh:

    Lmao Jon positive for traces of turnibal 232 moving to California ; Nevada won't sanction him . Wonder what excuse he has already ready with a sample of trace Amy's in it already ready to get tested . 
    More controversy, no surprise. Sounds like it's an extremely small amount that showed up. Glad the fight is not off.
    Me too. Strange that Jon would knowingly be taking PED's after all the BS he just finished going through and having a fight coming up.
    strange that he tested positive twice before both after coming off suspension, strange he would yell at a cop while loaded, strange he would flee the scene of a hit and run the come back for his drugs and flee again. Stange he still hangs with body building juice heads. Surely he's not dumb enough to as you said take em because he has a fight coming up 

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloridaState:

    Quote Originally Posted by straight_cash:

    Quote Originally Posted by jayoh:

    Lmao Jon positive for traces of turnibal 232 moving to California ; Nevada won't sanction him . Wonder what excuse he has already ready with a sample of trace Amy's in it already ready to get tested . 
    More controversy, no surprise. Sounds like it's an extremely small amount that showed up. Glad the fight is not off.
    Me too. Strange that Jon would knowingly be taking PED's after all the BS he just finished going through and having a fight coming up.
    strange that he tested positive twice before both after coming off suspension, strange he would yell at a cop while loaded, strange he would flee the scene of a hit and run the come back for his drugs and flee again. Stange he still hangs with body building juice heads. Surely he's not dumb enough to as you said take em because he has a fight coming up 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2018 - 7:21 PM ET #23

    Quote Originally Posted by FloridaState:

    ...and doesn't change anything, Bones will still destroy Gus and Dana will be ecstatic. Just facts not a fan...but I will be pulling/betting for him against DC if they force DC into that fight before retirement.
    looking forward to the facts as you said of Jon destroying him not winning a decision but Holloway / Ortega beat down . With one dimensional cat getting destroyed as well because theirs facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloridaState:

    ...and doesn't change anything, Bones will still destroy Gus and Dana will be ecstatic. Just facts not a fan...but I will be pulling/betting for him against DC if they force DC into that fight before retirement.
    looking forward to the facts as you said of Jon destroying him not winning a decision but Holloway / Ortega beat down . With one dimensional cat getting destroyed as well because theirs facts.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2018 - 7:33 PM ET #24

    UFC 232 Embedded: Vlog Series - Episode 1 & 2

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    UFC 232 Embedded: Vlog Series - Episode 1 & 2

     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2018 - 8:04 PM ET #25

    Quote Originally Posted by jayoh:

    https://www.bloodyelbow.com/platform/amp/2018/12/25/18152084/ufc-usada-fighters-concerns-inconsistencies-tom-lawlor-sean-omalley-jon-jones-drug-test-failures-mma

     

    A good read for for how usada is under UFC control.


    Good read, but it's no surprise that there is special treatment for more popular and talented athletes, and that goes for most of the major sports as ultimately sports are in the entertainment business. USADA is far from perfect but compared to Bellator or Rizin, there is at least some level of PED policing in place in the UFC.

    Whether it's true or not, the officials and USADA agree that Jones' latest sample showed an extremely low amount of the prohibited substance, and that it was not a new ingestion and rather a residual amount from his prior exposure for which he has already served a suspension.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayoh:

    https://www.bloodyelbow.com/platform/amp/2018/12/25/18152084/ufc-usada-fighters-concerns-inconsistencies-tom-lawlor-sean-omalley-jon-jones-drug-test-failures-mma

     

    A good read for for how usada is under UFC control.


    Good read, but it's no surprise that there is special treatment for more popular and talented athletes, and that goes for most of the major sports as ultimately sports are in the entertainment business. USADA is far from perfect but compared to Bellator or Rizin, there is at least some level of PED policing in place in the UFC.

    Whether it's true or not, the officials and USADA agree that Jones' latest sample showed an extremely low amount of the prohibited substance, and that it was not a new ingestion and rather a residual amount from his prior exposure for which he has already served a suspension.
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