If sports bettors don't like race bettors, and race bettors don't like sports bettors

Can't they do a better job separating it.

I bet both & don't really see a problem. Horse players will cheer their horse coming to the wire & sport players will cheer a guy being thrown out at the plate.

I've never seen any animosity between the players. What am I missing here FRC?  

I guess it is just real estate.  Race people don't like anybody invading their space during busy weekends like on March madness.

Horse players don't like sports players eating the donuts in the morning even though I bet 10x what they bet per day. They think they bought the pastries.

good points all , sports player myself and the horse guys do tend to be a bit annoying, always standing in FRONT of you in the bet line trying to lay down a 2 dollar something or other, tend to be heavy smokers (ugh) and can be a bit loud ,,other than that--welcome aboard fellas

front row center did have a good idea,,dark room at end of hall for horse players 

i think race players tend to be ruder than the sports guys. somehow they think they have the right to cut the line at post time, and it is always someone else's fault for getting shut out.

i  agree with you frontrowcenter. the problem is that if anything, the sports would be moved to the small dark room. the ponies make a lot of money for the casino, while the sports side is more of a lure to get people in. also, running a successfull sportsbook requires someone who really knows their shit. sadly, the days of sharp, risk taking bookmakers are coming to an end here in town. most of the race & sports managers now are nothing more than paper pushers and bean counters. 

oakster,,cool avatar and perfect for this particular thread - headed to vegas on sunday and love to catch some baseball at the golden nugget book downtown- lots of horse players in the tight quarters but it is what it is and THE GOLDEN NUGGET rules the roost downtown as everyone knows--

Just an FYI - horse players are allowed to cut the line at any time to place their wagers before a sports better.

The hold for horse betting at a casino is about 20 times what it is for sports betting.

The sportsbook and the racebook are run as two separate business by the hotel/casino. The sportsbook uses the money of the hotel/casino and is the "bookie" risking and winning/losing based upon the success, or lack of it, of their bettors. The typical sportsbook accounts for less than 1% of the income of the hotel/casino.....LESS THAN 1%.

The racebook acts as the "agent" of each racetrack that is covered (and has signed yearly contracts with those racetracks) and takes approximately 15 cents out of every dollar as their "cut" and forwards the rest to the track to be placed into the mutuel pools. The racebook risks NOT ONE PENNY of the hotel/casino's money. Which is why, referring to an earlier thread, comping is standard with racebooks...large and small; and not standard with the sportsbooks.

As to the operational aspect of the sports and racebooks....most operations have separate windows to accomodate race bettors (especially on busy race days); some books physically separate those windows or, at least, put up "race only" signs at those windows. Additionally, because they are up against "post time" factors, race bettors are given preferential treatment at most books so that they can get their bets in.

You have a far greater percentage of race bettors who bet at the last minute (many "dime bettors" place their bets, especially exotics, as the horses are being loaded into the gate). Sports bettors, with the exception of the halftime bettors, don't need such immediate access to the ticket writers.

As to seating and viewlines to the tvs....I am not quite certain where the complaints are valid here. From the local books, like Stations, to the Strip books like Mandalay and, now, Aria...they are all separate in seating. No offense intended to the person who started this thread; but I fail to see the validity of the complaint.

its just a fact of the gaming life for whatever reason- horse players annoy gamers and of course gamers pluck the nerves of the horse players - with that said,,"save that seat for me" have a good day fellas 

Just stay the hell out of our way on May 1st...

FrontRow.... Obviously, my new posting made this posting more valid again.

As to your observation, most books (of any size) separate the race and sports bettors by the type of chairs/cubicles that are used. The race bettors have small places to sit and a small tv in front of them; the sports bettors have larger chairs (with drink holes) to sit and watch the games.

The race bettors main complaint is the noise..and lack of concentration...that comes from being near the sports bettors. The sports bettors that I have seen/known could care less about what the race bettor is doing....The sports bettor, however, does tend to cause a problem with last-second betting in a small book. Why a sports bettor cannot bet a game ahead of time is beyond me...they are certainly not dealing with any of the variables that the race bettor deals with...and, yet, they bitch and moan...odd.

i cannot stand when we go there and there are 5 degenerates with no teeth betting on horses with 100s of open seats by those tvs and all the sports bettors fighting for seats on the other tvs...its a joke

exactley 

Race bettors are angry with other race bettors. Thats because 90% of them lose. One time me and my dad were cheering all the longshots just for fun. Then a local told us (figuring we were tourists which we were) dont cheer for the longshots because one of his buds didnt like it. So the very next race we were extra loud rooting the longshots to the wire. Of course that wimp didnt do/say jack after that.

I just recently got back from Vegas. I was at the M Sportsbook when a horse bettor basically cut in line to bet a last second race and cost me some cash. My 4 and 3 team baseball parlays were reduced to 3 and 2 team winning parlays. I was looking to bet the Twins. The ticket writer told me it was too late to bet the game after the horse bettor jumped the line. I keep telling myself "just be happy you won." 

Lobo...... Most books try to separate the writers.....You may have gone to the left of center (you can tell the difference by the cubicles and what they put on the large tv's)....BUT, and this is a big but.....sports bettors are expected to place their bets BEFORE a game is to start. If you got shut out, it was not the race bettor who shut you out, but yourself. Sorry...not trying to be harsh here, but reality dictates that the race bettor looks at last minute odds (if you ever have been to the racetrack, you would agree). The sports bettor has, 99.9% of the time, no need to wait until the last second...UNLESS they are incapable of making a decision and just jump in to try and make a bet....sports betting being more of a recreational endeavor than something that you are making serious coin at. Only the runners..especially those betting halftime lines...are under time constraints. The normal bettor, like yourself, should be able to make their bets with plenty of time available to them.

PS....Glad that you liked The M.....agree about that weekend buffet (most buffets now do that on the weekends)....The Bellagio has, to me, been the best for over 10 years.. The M, especially lunch, has a great value...with much less families and kids ( a big point)...I just wish that the Marnell family could sell the place so that the hotel/casino could be that much better.