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    SHORTING, THE BEST ONES NOW

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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2008 - 8:23 AM ET #1

      I am trying to rapidly make up a list of possible shorts. this will include those not only for the coming weeks, but for the prospect of a Democratic victory (especially one that might feature Mrs. Clinton!!).

      Any idea appreciated, I haven't one I really like yet, but when I do I am going to short it aggressively.

     

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
      I am trying to rapidly make up a list of possible shorts. this will include those not only for the coming weeks, but for the prospect of a Democratic victory (especially one that might feature Mrs. Clinton!!).

      Any idea appreciated, I haven't one I really like yet, but when I do I am going to short it aggressively.

     

     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2008 - 8:48 AM ET #2

    MON will die, eventually.  I'm playing this via SMN. 
     
    I think MAC is overvalued on the retail REIT side.  compare them to GGP and pick a price target for MAC. 
     
    I don't see how XOM keeps it going at these levels, even with high oil prices.  Either oil prices come down, hurting XOM, or oil taxes go up, hurting XOM.  you can play this and be more diversified via DUG. 
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    MON will die, eventually.  I'm playing this via SMN. 
     
    I think MAC is overvalued on the retail REIT side.  compare them to GGP and pick a price target for MAC. 
     
    I don't see how XOM keeps it going at these levels, even with high oil prices.  Either oil prices come down, hurting XOM, or oil taxes go up, hurting XOM.  you can play this and be more diversified via DUG. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2008 - 9:18 AM ET #3

    MON, MOS, POT will not die anytime soon gunners

    the devaluing of the dollar and increase in affluent and hungry populations of china and india will continue to demand more and more food
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    from bernanke this morning...my mind is blown at this

    One of the suggestions Bernanke made was for mortgage and other financial companies to reduce the amount of the loan to provide relief to a struggling owner. "Principal reductions that restore some equity for the homeowner may be a relatively more effective means of avoiding delinquency and foreclosure," Bernanke said.
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    MON, MOS, POT will not die anytime soon gunners

    the devaluing of the dollar and increase in affluent and hungry populations of china and india will continue to demand more and more food
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    from bernanke this morning...my mind is blown at this

    One of the suggestions Bernanke made was for mortgage and other financial companies to reduce the amount of the loan to provide relief to a struggling owner. "Principal reductions that restore some equity for the homeowner may be a relatively more effective means of avoiding delinquency and foreclosure," Bernanke said.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2008 - 11:00 AM ET #4

    Take the high beta tech stocks..the BIDU and AAPL stocks, add CMG on the list, ISRG..

    Any stock with a high PE.

    I am shocked that the brokers/banks are beating each other up..I think it was Merrill today who beat down Citi..and Citi at a new low, market getting smoked yet again.
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    Take the high beta tech stocks..the BIDU and AAPL stocks, add CMG on the list, ISRG..

    Any stock with a high PE.

    I am shocked that the brokers/banks are beating each other up..I think it was Merrill today who beat down Citi..and Citi at a new low, market getting smoked yet again.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2008 - 11:31 AM ET #5

    wall - C is getting beaten down b/c of:

    click

    wow very scary shit...stick your dick in the cookie jar for 4 years...well at some point the jar will close
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    wall - C is getting beaten down b/c of:

    click

    wow very scary shit...stick your dick in the cookie jar for 4 years...well at some point the jar will close
     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2008 - 12:04 PM ET #6

    Yeah I cannot go near C with that kind of verbage..the only kind of bank to own is a pure play that has NO subprime assets.
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    Yeah I cannot go near C with that kind of verbage..the only kind of bank to own is a pure play that has NO subprime assets.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2008 - 12:10 PM ET #7

    wall - that bank is HCBK, Hudson City Savings

    all clients are very wealthy...north jersey, nyc...they lend to people who dont need it

    gunners - click
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    wall - that bank is HCBK, Hudson City Savings

    all clients are very wealthy...north jersey, nyc...they lend to people who dont need it

    gunners - click
     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2008 - 12:17 PM ET #8

    Yeah but the yield stinks and the upside isnt great.

    For a 2% yield I would rather own a MUNI bond..
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    Yeah but the yield stinks and the upside isnt great.

    For a 2% yield I would rather own a MUNI bond..
     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2008 - 1:14 PM ET #9

    short MON and long SMN is definitely working today, KOAJ.  when i said they'd die, i didn't mean go to zero, but i do think MON comes down to earth a bit.  I'm going to stay short too long in this sector, though. 
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    short MON and long SMN is definitely working today, KOAJ.  when i said they'd die, i didn't mean go to zero, but i do think MON comes down to earth a bit.  I'm going to stay short too long in this sector, though. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2008 - 1:18 PM ET #10

    What about PNC? Do they have much exposure? I would doubt it..plus a 4% yield isnt bad?
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    What about PNC? Do they have much exposure? I would doubt it..plus a 4% yield isnt bad?
     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2008 - 1:25 PM ET #11

    PNC is still active in the commercial real estate loan making business.  most shops with bad subprime exposure are sitting on the sidelines at the moment.  so PNC can't be doing that bad on subprime. 
     
    ** and i meant, i"'m NOT going to stay short too long", two posts above
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    PNC is still active in the commercial real estate loan making business.  most shops with bad subprime exposure are sitting on the sidelines at the moment.  so PNC can't be doing that bad on subprime. 
     
    ** and i meant, i"'m NOT going to stay short too long", two posts above
     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2008 - 2:26 PM ET #12

    from what i read wall PNC is not exposed much if at all...old rumors of a JPM takeover helping keep it up
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    from what i read wall PNC is not exposed much if at all...old rumors of a JPM takeover helping keep it up
     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2008 - 2:49 PM ET #13

    Had a PNC acct when we lived in PA..I have to say their service is terrible, their fee structure is a joke, branch hours stink etc.

    One great thing living here versus PA is having Compass Bank as a choice..no question Compass is better.

    That said, I would feel comfortable owning PNC versus C and the 4% yield. The upside isnt as good, but it is pretty safe.
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    Had a PNC acct when we lived in PA..I have to say their service is terrible, their fee structure is a joke, branch hours stink etc.

    One great thing living here versus PA is having Compass Bank as a choice..no question Compass is better.

    That said, I would feel comfortable owning PNC versus C and the 4% yield. The upside isnt as good, but it is pretty safe.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2008 - 3:04 PM ET #14

    wall - ive had pnc forever personal and business

    24/7 phone people

    -pay zero fees
    -if i use a foreign ATM they credit me the fee
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    wall - ive had pnc forever personal and business

    24/7 phone people

    -pay zero fees
    -if i use a foreign ATM they credit me the fee
     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2008 - 3:13 PM ET #15

    Koaj,

    PNC charged for checks, had a high min balance to earn any interest, was not open on Sat. Yeah the phone service is fine, but I am referring to branch only.

    Loan rates were terrible, monthly fees for normal accounts unless you had their premium plan (forget the name).

    This was 5 yrs ago, so things could have changed but at Compass I have free checks, no fee for checkwriting, free business acct, rebate of ANY non- Compass ATM fee, discounts on loans and decent MM rates.

    Lets see if they have enough power to turn the market positive..wouldnt shock me.     
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    Koaj,

    PNC charged for checks, had a high min balance to earn any interest, was not open on Sat. Yeah the phone service is fine, but I am referring to branch only.

    Loan rates were terrible, monthly fees for normal accounts unless you had their premium plan (forget the name).

    This was 5 yrs ago, so things could have changed but at Compass I have free checks, no fee for checkwriting, free business acct, rebate of ANY non- Compass ATM fee, discounts on loans and decent MM rates.

    Lets see if they have enough power to turn the market positive..wouldnt shock me.     
     
     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2008 - 4:03 PM ET #16

    well...my mom used to work there so i get all the employee perks

    my accounts are grandfathered

    been there for 12-15 years at least, never a fee on anything ever

    mind you, i dont do loans (yet) or go into a branch...everything is phone or online so my needs are minimal


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    well...my mom used to work there so i get all the employee perks

    my accounts are grandfathered

    been there for 12-15 years at least, never a fee on anything ever

    mind you, i dont do loans (yet) or go into a branch...everything is phone or online so my needs are minimal


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