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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2007 - 12:04 PM ET #26

    It shows how volitile the stock is that is for sure..

    Market trying to rally a bit, lets see if they bring in the guns blazing after lunch...
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    It shows how volitile the stock is that is for sure..

    Market trying to rally a bit, lets see if they bring in the guns blazing after lunch...
     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2007 - 1:53 PM ET #27

    No, WSC.....I did exactly what I said I'd do......bought at the down open, sold in to strength about 18 minutes later (10.78 vs 11.36)......done, got the money, watching my SPY, C, COF and CTX shorts.
     
    Peeps may laugh at a .58 profit, but it was well worth it for 18 minutes, especially since EVERYTHING went exactly as I hoped.
     
    I have no clue what will happen the rest of the trading day.....seems like peeps would sell off hard, so broad market probably goes south hard the last 90 minutes.
     
    I will probably look to cover all shorts at close in case there is some bail-out crap over the weekend to touch off a short squeeze panic......don't need that shit first thing Monday morning when everything will be way in the money at the close today.
     
    Cheers
     
     
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    No, WSC.....I did exactly what I said I'd do......bought at the down open, sold in to strength about 18 minutes later (10.78 vs 11.36)......done, got the money, watching my SPY, C, COF and CTX shorts.
     
    Peeps may laugh at a .58 profit, but it was well worth it for 18 minutes, especially since EVERYTHING went exactly as I hoped.
     
    I have no clue what will happen the rest of the trading day.....seems like peeps would sell off hard, so broad market probably goes south hard the last 90 minutes.
     
    I will probably look to cover all shorts at close in case there is some bail-out crap over the weekend to touch off a short squeeze panic......don't need that shit first thing Monday morning when everything will be way in the money at the close today.
     
    Cheers
     
     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2007 - 1:57 PM ET #28

    claycourt,

    I doubt you will find many laughers at someone who took a profit. I think you played it just right, congrats.

    Post those trades, many here would be interested..I know I would.



    btw...interesting action on IMB..their update was odd to say the least..cut the dividend, lowered expectations but also said they are almost out of the alt-a business and have enough cash and book value for what they need going forward and the stock bounced big time..
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    claycourt,

    I doubt you will find many laughers at someone who took a profit. I think you played it just right, congrats.

    Post those trades, many here would be interested..I know I would.



    btw...interesting action on IMB..their update was odd to say the least..cut the dividend, lowered expectations but also said they are almost out of the alt-a business and have enough cash and book value for what they need going forward and the stock bounced big time..
     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2007 - 2:14 PM ET #29

    Now if on Monday they drop this sucker 300 pts early, that would be some fear selling and I would DEFINATELY step in for an options bounce..I have a few on my list that fit the profile and I would love the chance to make a big return on.

    Lets see how the end of the day goes, if they take her down 350 to 400 then we should see some selling into Monday too.

    Problem is though that the employment reports have been saving the market, that report today was UGLY..

    Still look at the stock which are either down less than the general market or are up..those are your targets for bounces.


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    Now if on Monday they drop this sucker 300 pts early, that would be some fear selling and I would DEFINATELY step in for an options bounce..I have a few on my list that fit the profile and I would love the chance to make a big return on.

    Lets see how the end of the day goes, if they take her down 350 to 400 then we should see some selling into Monday too.

    Problem is though that the employment reports have been saving the market, that report today was UGLY..

    Still look at the stock which are either down less than the general market or are up..those are your targets for bounces.


     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2007 - 3:13 PM ET #30

    Holy crap they are running POZN today..strong volume and action..

    I dont get it, but they are running it..no way I get in front of this action.

    Sept 12.50 calls are a 17 bagger today.



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    Holy crap they are running POZN today..strong volume and action..

    I dont get it, but they are running it..no way I get in front of this action.

    Sept 12.50 calls are a 17 bagger today.



     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2007 - 3:13 PM ET #31

    "Peeps may laugh at a .58 profit, but it was well worth it for 18 minutes"

    Ummm annualize that for us LMAO...I never laugh at the word "profit"!!!
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    "Peeps may laugh at a .58 profit, but it was well worth it for 18 minutes"

    Ummm annualize that for us LMAO...I never laugh at the word "profit"!!!
     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2007 - 3:16 PM ET #32

    WSC-
     
    I just get the feeling that some sort of bailout package could come down during the weekend, so I am looking to cover all shorts going into the close.
     
    Short CTX at 28.42
    Short SPY at 146.77
    Short C at 46.52
    Short COF at 64.65
     
    If there's no bailout package, then maybe an emergency ffunds cut at Monday's open.
     
    I'll post what I do buy and or sell, but I AM NOT a trader.  Today was an exception and won't become a habit.  I will get destroyed trying to guess this stuff.  It's just that EVERYTHING broke right for CDRC today, and I only eeked about 1/2 point, so best for me to take money and run, I think.
     
    Cheers
     
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    WSC-
     
    I just get the feeling that some sort of bailout package could come down during the weekend, so I am looking to cover all shorts going into the close.
     
    Short CTX at 28.42
    Short SPY at 146.77
    Short C at 46.52
    Short COF at 64.65
     
    If there's no bailout package, then maybe an emergency ffunds cut at Monday's open.
     
    I'll post what I do buy and or sell, but I AM NOT a trader.  Today was an exception and won't become a habit.  I will get destroyed trying to guess this stuff.  It's just that EVERYTHING broke right for CDRC today, and I only eeked about 1/2 point, so best for me to take money and run, I think.
     
    Cheers
     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2007 - 3:58 PM ET #33

    Going to let all shorts remain open during weekend and pray there's no fucking bailout package.

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    Going to let all shorts remain open during weekend and pray there's no fucking bailout package.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2007 - 4:05 PM ET #34

    claycourt,

    I like your odds..keep them open and maybe cover monday in the morning.

    If I werent such a big puss i would have bot some POZN 12.50 puts, not a ton of value in them but this 3 pt move today is garbage...
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    claycourt,

    I like your odds..keep them open and maybe cover monday in the morning.

    If I werent such a big puss i would have bot some POZN 12.50 puts, not a ton of value in them but this 3 pt move today is garbage...
     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2007 - 4:08 PM ET #35

    WSC-
     
    You've given me plenty of advice, and I ask you to keep it coming.
     
    Let me humbly give you some back....
     
    Don't mess with put options on Pozn.....just sell the fucker short and avoid all the time decay.  Yeah, it'll get taken back down.
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    WSC-
     
    You've given me plenty of advice, and I ask you to keep it coming.
     
    Let me humbly give you some back....
     
    Don't mess with put options on Pozn.....just sell the fucker short and avoid all the time decay.  Yeah, it'll get taken back down.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2007 - 4:10 PM ET #36

    I think we can all assume a serious cut will be announced now, or does anyone disagree? I think the specter of a recession and the Iraq war, and the fact that they have hardly "solved" the credit crisis means they have got to cut, for political reasons not to mention economic ones.
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    I think we can all assume a serious cut will be announced now, or does anyone disagree? I think the specter of a recession and the Iraq war, and the fact that they have hardly "solved" the credit crisis means they have got to cut, for political reasons not to mention economic ones.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2007 - 4:13 PM ET #37

    If there is panic selling early next week out of sheer terror, and there may be, then I'll totally expect a bailout emergency cut of he fed funds rate by 50 basis points.....BEFORE the Sep 18 meeting.

    I wouldn't chase any shorts next week....I'd look to get long and play the bailout rate cut.

    JMO, what do you think?

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    If there is panic selling early next week out of sheer terror, and there may be, then I'll totally expect a bailout emergency cut of he fed funds rate by 50 basis points.....BEFORE the Sep 18 meeting.

    I wouldn't chase any shorts next week....I'd look to get long and play the bailout rate cut.

    JMO, what do you think?

     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2007 - 4:13 PM ET #38

    Wonder if I should have bought FXY bigger.just do not see the USD as coming out of this very healthy at all....the bills we have racked up are coming due, at a very bad time.
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    Wonder if I should have bought FXY bigger.just do not see the USD as coming out of this very healthy at all....the bills we have racked up are coming due, at a very bad time.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2007 - 4:17 PM ET #39

    The only thing I know about currency is that I know nothing about trading it.....hahahahaha.
     
    Best of luck.
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    The only thing I know about currency is that I know nothing about trading it.....hahahahaha.
     
    Best of luck.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2007 - 4:18 PM ET #40

    I gotta think they are going to at least do the 50 basis points or more, and sooner rather than later.
     At this point "image is everything" and while they are still going to look bad doing it to some econ types, they will look worse to the public if they do not do anything.
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    I gotta think they are going to at least do the 50 basis points or more, and sooner rather than later.
     At this point "image is everything" and while they are still going to look bad doing it to some econ types, they will look worse to the public if they do not do anything.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2007 - 4:21 PM ET #41

    I agree.  The FED will let the market boss them around....no doubt.  There'll be an emergency bailout cut, and the big money houses will get tipped off and profit.....just watch.
     
    I remember Bill Clinton saying once that he didn't want to "let a bunch of fucking bond traders dictate FED policy."
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    I agree.  The FED will let the market boss them around....no doubt.  There'll be an emergency bailout cut, and the big money houses will get tipped off and profit.....just watch.
     
    I remember Bill Clinton saying once that he didn't want to "let a bunch of fucking bond traders dictate FED policy."
     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2007 - 4:23 PM ET #42

    I am no currency expert, for sure, but so far, betting against the dollar, and for gold and oil has been a winning combination for me this year at any rate.I am still somewhat puzzled that oil is not $100 a barrel, however.
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    I am no currency expert, for sure, but so far, betting against the dollar, and for gold and oil has been a winning combination for me this year at any rate.I am still somewhat puzzled that oil is not $100 a barrel, however.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2007 - 4:23 PM ET #43

    We need another big time plunge to make the FED cut rates before the meeting if at all.

    Did anyone read the comments Greenspam made yesterday? He drew comparisons to other financial messes when he was under the helm and said that small rate cuts do not stop the disasters from unwinding, they just have to run their course.

    What I find funny is that Greenspam doesnt get it..if they were observing the market (not just stock market, credit markets etc) before things became a bubble then they COULD take action that would help.

    These FED-heads just cannot get past their economic indicators and keep screwing things up...

    claycourt, my comment about POZN is a short term risk/reward trade..not riding it to zero, rather if I buy a position leveraged like that and I can make 20-50% quick, that is my goal, not a longer term short like you are discussing..
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    We need another big time plunge to make the FED cut rates before the meeting if at all.

    Did anyone read the comments Greenspam made yesterday? He drew comparisons to other financial messes when he was under the helm and said that small rate cuts do not stop the disasters from unwinding, they just have to run their course.

    What I find funny is that Greenspam doesnt get it..if they were observing the market (not just stock market, credit markets etc) before things became a bubble then they COULD take action that would help.

    These FED-heads just cannot get past their economic indicators and keep screwing things up...

    claycourt, my comment about POZN is a short term risk/reward trade..not riding it to zero, rather if I buy a position leveraged like that and I can make 20-50% quick, that is my goal, not a longer term short like you are discussing..
     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2007 - 4:30 PM ET #44

    Point well taken, WSC.  Best of luck...hope you hit one of those "4 baggers" on POZN puts.
     
    And yep, the FED usually gets it wrong.  The ECB were a bunch of dufus fucks in 2001 by not cutting rates then and waiting to see.
     
    I am all for avoiding recession, but it bothers me to know that a bunch of crooked housing speculators are going to get bailed out when they should be made to pay the price.  The lenders, investors, builders, buyers....they're all in bed together and knew the risks, but did them anyway.  They don't deserve a bailout package from anyone.
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    Point well taken, WSC.  Best of luck...hope you hit one of those "4 baggers" on POZN puts.
     
    And yep, the FED usually gets it wrong.  The ECB were a bunch of dufus fucks in 2001 by not cutting rates then and waiting to see.
     
    I am all for avoiding recession, but it bothers me to know that a bunch of crooked housing speculators are going to get bailed out when they should be made to pay the price.  The lenders, investors, builders, buyers....they're all in bed together and knew the risks, but did them anyway.  They don't deserve a bailout package from anyone.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2007 - 4:44 PM ET #45

    Greenspan, to me, is like a college coach who gets out at exactly the right time, before the NCAA nails the program for all sorts of illegal actions. He created the problem, and in timely fashion bailed out to let "Helicopter Ben" come in and take the blame.All the while being lionized in DC as a real genius...very funny, really.
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    Greenspan, to me, is like a college coach who gets out at exactly the right time, before the NCAA nails the program for all sorts of illegal actions. He created the problem, and in timely fashion bailed out to let "Helicopter Ben" come in and take the blame.All the while being lionized in DC as a real genius...very funny, really.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2007 - 4:51 PM ET #46

    Good analogy, Vermeer.  Well done.
     
    Chairman Greenspan, the "maestro" didn't mind the housing bubble.  Never heard him run his mouth with any "irrational exuberance" comments, did he?
     
    But goddamn he hated the Nasdaq and all that hoopla.
     
    Must've been short....hahahahaha
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    Good analogy, Vermeer.  Well done.
     
    Chairman Greenspan, the "maestro" didn't mind the housing bubble.  Never heard him run his mouth with any "irrational exuberance" comments, did he?
     
    But goddamn he hated the Nasdaq and all that hoopla.
     
    Must've been short....hahahahaha
     
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    Posted: Sep. 10, 2007 - 5:33 AM ET #47

    From a blog I occasionally read and heed...

    Thursday, September 6, 2007

    Deadly Diversion

    Another day in the bond market like yesterday, and the Fed will cut rates on Friday. Short-term interest rates and long-term interest rates are moving in opposite directions. When that happens, it's bad news.

    We're tracking the divergence through yield indexes that trade at the CBOE. Yields move in the opposite direction to bonds. Right now, the three long-term yield indexes we follow -- 5-Year (FVX), 10-Year (TNX) & 30-Year (TYX) -- are more than three standard deviations below their respective 90-day mean prices. They're more than two standard deviations below their 10-day mean values.

    But the short-term yield index -- 13-Week (IRX) -- is only one standard deviation below its 90-day mean. On a 10-day basis, IRX has been around three standard deviations above its mean price for the past couple days. Banks will not lend to each other over the short term, hence the divergence.

    If the black-box hedge funds couldn't deal with CDOs, they'll never be able to withstand this incredible divergence for long.

    We thought it was laughable that the Fed said it will look to "anecdotal" evidence of tight credit in the future. LIBOR rates are at seven-year highs, and that's what most scalable loans use as a reset touchstone.

    So, either the Fed acts soon, or the stock market takes a serious hit. If they're smart, the Fed will try to help this thing settle down slowly by instituting a series of rate cuts. We think they are smart, they just needed to be reminded of it by the market.


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    From a blog I occasionally read and heed...

    Thursday, September 6, 2007

    Deadly Diversion

    Another day in the bond market like yesterday, and the Fed will cut rates on Friday. Short-term interest rates and long-term interest rates are moving in opposite directions. When that happens, it's bad news.

    We're tracking the divergence through yield indexes that trade at the CBOE. Yields move in the opposite direction to bonds. Right now, the three long-term yield indexes we follow -- 5-Year (FVX), 10-Year (TNX) & 30-Year (TYX) -- are more than three standard deviations below their respective 90-day mean prices. They're more than two standard deviations below their 10-day mean values.

    But the short-term yield index -- 13-Week (IRX) -- is only one standard deviation below its 90-day mean. On a 10-day basis, IRX has been around three standard deviations above its mean price for the past couple days. Banks will not lend to each other over the short term, hence the divergence.

    If the black-box hedge funds couldn't deal with CDOs, they'll never be able to withstand this incredible divergence for long.

    We thought it was laughable that the Fed said it will look to "anecdotal" evidence of tight credit in the future. LIBOR rates are at seven-year highs, and that's what most scalable loans use as a reset touchstone.

    So, either the Fed acts soon, or the stock market takes a serious hit. If they're smart, the Fed will try to help this thing settle down slowly by instituting a series of rate cuts. We think they are smart, they just needed to be reminded of it by the market.


     
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    Posted: Sep. 10, 2007 - 5:43 AM ET #48

    Final clip, and one that drew my attention was the comment at the end by Mr.Rogoff, hardly one I agree with.

    Jim O’Neill, chief economist at Goldman Sachs, said the credit squeeze confirmed his view that the US economy would grow at below 2 per cent, probably for the next six quarters. “The big issue is whether the Fed can keep it from tumbling over into being a lot weaker.” He suggested the Fed must prevent the US housing market sinking into a depression resembling the Japanese property crisis of the 1980s.

    Ken Rogoff, former chief economist at the IMF, said the world was experiencing its “first new-age financial crisis” that was following an unpredictable path and posing new problems for the world’s monetary authorities.

    “We are in a window of vulnerability,” he said. “We have reached the point where there is going to be fairly aggressive interest rate moves and if that proves not to be enough then we may see some dramatic regulatory intervention,” he said.

    Mr Rogoff even suggested that a further twist in the financial crisis could help clarify issues. “Having a medium-sized bank go under would almost be a blessing at this point because it would give them [central banks] confidence to do something more dramatic.”


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    Final clip, and one that drew my attention was the comment at the end by Mr.Rogoff, hardly one I agree with.

    Jim O’Neill, chief economist at Goldman Sachs, said the credit squeeze confirmed his view that the US economy would grow at below 2 per cent, probably for the next six quarters. “The big issue is whether the Fed can keep it from tumbling over into being a lot weaker.” He suggested the Fed must prevent the US housing market sinking into a depression resembling the Japanese property crisis of the 1980s.

    Ken Rogoff, former chief economist at the IMF, said the world was experiencing its “first new-age financial crisis” that was following an unpredictable path and posing new problems for the world’s monetary authorities.

    “We are in a window of vulnerability,” he said. “We have reached the point where there is going to be fairly aggressive interest rate moves and if that proves not to be enough then we may see some dramatic regulatory intervention,” he said.

    Mr Rogoff even suggested that a further twist in the financial crisis could help clarify issues. “Having a medium-sized bank go under would almost be a blessing at this point because it would give them [central banks] confidence to do something more dramatic.”


     
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    Posted: Sep. 10, 2007 - 11:02 AM ET #49

    WM chief says housing is hitting a "perfect storm"

    CFC is way below 18, down 6% today

    bye bye fuckers...give me my new construction house on the cheap
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    WM chief says housing is hitting a "perfect storm"

    CFC is way below 18, down 6% today

    bye bye fuckers...give me my new construction house on the cheap
     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 10, 2007 - 11:53 AM ET #50

    Bot some CRDC on the retrace today..probably could drop more, this is just a 1/4 position to start.


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    Bot some CRDC on the retrace today..probably could drop more, this is just a 1/4 position to start.


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