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    SDS/QID

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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2008 - 8:47 AM ET #1

    thoughts on when to sell?

    bought at 55.25....thinking will still have yet to see the bottom in the s&p

    thinking this puppy will probably rise to 70 by the end of summer

    also have some in QID at 37.23....would love to see that hit 50 as well

    thanks folks
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    thoughts on when to sell?

    bought at 55.25....thinking will still have yet to see the bottom in the s&p

    thinking this puppy will probably rise to 70 by the end of summer

    also have some in QID at 37.23....would love to see that hit 50 as well

    thanks folks
     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2008 - 8:56 AM ET #2

    I'd take money and run on those "shorts."
     
    I mean, there is no one on the planet as bearish as I am for the future, but the overall market is due for some sort of short covering rally.
     
    Then just wait for that crap to end (it will) and short it again.
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    I'd take money and run on those "shorts."
     
    I mean, there is no one on the planet as bearish as I am for the future, but the overall market is due for some sort of short covering rally.
     
    Then just wait for that crap to end (it will) and short it again.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2008 - 9:20 AM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by claycourtlesson:

    I'd take money and run on those "shorts."
     
    I mean, there is no one on the planet as bearish as I am for the future, but the overall market is due for some sort of short covering rally.
     
    Then just wait for that crap to end (it will) and short it again.


    we kind of had that 2 weeks ago(i think) and then the market corrected itself and the indices kept falling last week.

    i'd rather just keep the position instead of jumping in and jumping out
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    Quote Originally Posted by claycourtlesson:

    I'd take money and run on those "shorts."
     
    I mean, there is no one on the planet as bearish as I am for the future, but the overall market is due for some sort of short covering rally.
     
    Then just wait for that crap to end (it will) and short it again.


    we kind of had that 2 weeks ago(i think) and then the market corrected itself and the indices kept falling last week.

    i'd rather just keep the position instead of jumping in and jumping out
     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2008 - 11:06 AM ET #4

    i agree with CCL...very bearish as well but 1270 is the bottom on the S&P barring a BSC style collapse

    also...its probably better to be long an inflation hedge as a short, rather than short the market
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    i agree with CCL...very bearish as well but 1270 is the bottom on the S&P barring a BSC style collapse

    also...its probably better to be long an inflation hedge as a short, rather than short the market
     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2008 - 5:02 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:

    i agree with CCL...very bearish as well but 1270 is the bottom on the S&P barring a BSC style collapse

    also...its probably better to be long an inflation hedge as a short, rather than short the market

    wait...you really think that the S & P is only going to decline 4% more tops?

    that is super optimistic

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    Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:

    i agree with CCL...very bearish as well but 1270 is the bottom on the S&P barring a BSC style collapse

    also...its probably better to be long an inflation hedge as a short, rather than short the market

    wait...you really think that the S & P is only going to decline 4% more tops?

    that is super optimistic

     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2008 - 5:23 PM ET #6

    Maybe someone can tell me what I'm missing.  If someone can, then please do.
     
    Some think that I just love being bearish and am thoroughly enjoying the fact that the US economy is terrible.  That is quite the opposite.  I'd much rather be bullish with my country in an economic boom.
     
    The point is this, though.  Is there one reason right now why the near future for US stocks should be bullish?  I do not think there is one single reason, but if someone sees a reason, then please do tell.
     
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    Maybe someone can tell me what I'm missing.  If someone can, then please do.
     
    Some think that I just love being bearish and am thoroughly enjoying the fact that the US economy is terrible.  That is quite the opposite.  I'd much rather be bullish with my country in an economic boom.
     
    The point is this, though.  Is there one reason right now why the near future for US stocks should be bullish?  I do not think there is one single reason, but if someone sees a reason, then please do tell.
     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 26, 2008 - 9:55 AM ET #7

    mu - 1270 on the S&P is a technical bottom...if it closes below, program selling kicks in

    last few times we came close, the fed injected 100b of liquidity or had rate cuts...something to spark the market

    i would worry about getting short the world here...esp so close to that magic number

    see those long extended lines...the mkt may come close, but something happens to give it a little push upwards. i dont know what else the fed has up its sleeve

    honestly, we need to purge the writedowns and bad debt ASAP or else the uncertainty hangs with us for years. no bailouts, no handouts, purge and burn...the mkt will clean itself up...always does

    to sum it up, the mkt as a whole has been repricing risk for the last 10 months. how much risk do you want to take? what do i have to pay you (bank) to take risk? am i worthy of taking a risk on (lending)?

    to answer in short...as little as possible; higher rates; unless you have 20% down and your fico score is higher than 770 then no thanks...i'll pass. (no more M&A, no more home loans, student loans, car loans, etc etc etc)

    50-60% of the borrowing mkt disappeared overnight...quite amazing when you look at it from a distance
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    mu - 1270 on the S&P is a technical bottom...if it closes below, program selling kicks in

    last few times we came close, the fed injected 100b of liquidity or had rate cuts...something to spark the market

    i would worry about getting short the world here...esp so close to that magic number

    see those long extended lines...the mkt may come close, but something happens to give it a little push upwards. i dont know what else the fed has up its sleeve

    honestly, we need to purge the writedowns and bad debt ASAP or else the uncertainty hangs with us for years. no bailouts, no handouts, purge and burn...the mkt will clean itself up...always does

    to sum it up, the mkt as a whole has been repricing risk for the last 10 months. how much risk do you want to take? what do i have to pay you (bank) to take risk? am i worthy of taking a risk on (lending)?

    to answer in short...as little as possible; higher rates; unless you have 20% down and your fico score is higher than 770 then no thanks...i'll pass. (no more M&A, no more home loans, student loans, car loans, etc etc etc)

    50-60% of the borrowing mkt disappeared overnight...quite amazing when you look at it from a distance
     
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    Posted: Jun. 26, 2008 - 5:18 PM ET #8

    sold the QID at 44 today...holding onto the SDS though...I don't we will see it stop until around 70
     
    very scary stuff
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    sold the QID at 44 today...holding onto the SDS though...I don't we will see it stop until around 70
     
    very scary stuff
     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2008 - 9:52 AM ET #9

    i am convinced that SDS is going to hit 70 before the holiday...basically the S&P needs to lose another 2% getting down to 1260ish which would equal the YTD low
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    i am convinced that SDS is going to hit 70 before the holiday...basically the S&P needs to lose another 2% getting down to 1260ish which would equal the YTD low
     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2008 - 10:19 AM ET #10

    Well in on being right by holding QID and SDS.  Yeah, I'd have sold back early in week and been angry about it today.
     
    Good work.
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    Well in on being right by holding QID and SDS.  Yeah, I'd have sold back early in week and been angry about it today.
     
    Good work.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2008 - 2:18 PM ET #11

    trendline at 1270 (or so)

    it keeps bouncing

    barring LEH going under or oil spiking to $150...we flatline for a while
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    trendline at 1270 (or so)

    it keeps bouncing

    barring LEH going under or oil spiking to $150...we flatline for a while
     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2008 - 2:21 PM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:

    trendline at 1270 (or so)

    it keeps bouncing

    barring LEH going under or oil spiking to $150...we flatline for a while

    we got all the way down to 1260.5 this morning....absolutely no reason for the afternoon rally here....craziness.

    oil might get to 150 next week....

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:

    trendline at 1270 (or so)

    it keeps bouncing

    barring LEH going under or oil spiking to $150...we flatline for a while

    we got all the way down to 1260.5 this morning....absolutely no reason for the afternoon rally here....craziness.

    oil might get to 150 next week....

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2008 - 12:12 PM ET #13

    the 1270 is the closing level for the S&P...intraday doesnt mean all that much, but closing below that level would be bad (for longs)

    big jobs number tomorrow morning so the mkt will defintely move on it

    i think the ECB meets tomorrow also to decide if they are going to raise rates by .25 bp

    one would hope the potential rate hike is priced into the mkt...if not and he does raise rates then we are in for a wild ride
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    the 1270 is the closing level for the S&P...intraday doesnt mean all that much, but closing below that level would be bad (for longs)

    big jobs number tomorrow morning so the mkt will defintely move on it

    i think the ECB meets tomorrow also to decide if they are going to raise rates by .25 bp

    one would hope the potential rate hike is priced into the mkt...if not and he does raise rates then we are in for a wild ride
     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2008 - 2:33 PM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:

    the 1270 is the closing level for the S&P...intraday doesnt mean all that much, but closing below that level would be bad (for longs)

    big jobs number tomorrow morning so the mkt will defintely move on it

    i think the ECB meets tomorrow also to decide if they are going to raise rates by .25 bp

    one would hope the potential rate hike is priced into the mkt...if not and he does raise rates then we are in for a wild ride

    looking at that private sector job loss today and how much more it was than expectations....not looking good for the gov't report tomorrow

    currently have a limit sell at 67.7 today but may take that off since I don't really have faith on that job report

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    Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:

    the 1270 is the closing level for the S&P...intraday doesnt mean all that much, but closing below that level would be bad (for longs)

    big jobs number tomorrow morning so the mkt will defintely move on it

    i think the ECB meets tomorrow also to decide if they are going to raise rates by .25 bp

    one would hope the potential rate hike is priced into the mkt...if not and he does raise rates then we are in for a wild ride

    looking at that private sector job loss today and how much more it was than expectations....not looking good for the gov't report tomorrow

    currently have a limit sell at 67.7 today but may take that off since I don't really have faith on that job report

     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2008 - 3:02 PM ET #15

    I don't really have faith on that job report
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    never underestimate the government's ability to fudge a number...esp before a long holiday weekend

    see the CPI (which doesnt count food and energy)

    i cant imagine the number is good but either way, it's always the # v expectations, not the number itself
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    I don't really have faith on that job report
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    never underestimate the government's ability to fudge a number...esp before a long holiday weekend

    see the CPI (which doesnt count food and energy)

    i cant imagine the number is good but either way, it's always the # v expectations, not the number itself
     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2008 - 4:23 PM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:

    I don't really have faith on that job report
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    never underestimate the government's ability to fudge a number...esp before a long holiday weekend

    see the CPI (which doesnt count food and energy)

    i cant imagine the number is good but either way, it's always the # v expectations, not the number itself

    i think we see a sub-1260 close on the S&P tomorrow

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    Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:

    I don't really have faith on that job report
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    never underestimate the government's ability to fudge a number...esp before a long holiday weekend

    see the CPI (which doesnt count food and energy)

    i cant imagine the number is good but either way, it's always the # v expectations, not the number itself

    i think we see a sub-1260 close on the S&P tomorrow

     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2008 - 11:32 AM ET #17

    sold at 69.1 today....a 20% gain over 2 months ain't too shabby
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    sold at 69.1 today....a 20% gain over 2 months ain't too shabby
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