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    Posted: Oct. 19, 2007 - 9:30 PM ET #1

    Good idea to start another thread fellas.

    My view is there will be a trading opportunity if they kick the crap out fo them market on Monday to open, or at any time.

    What I think many are forgetting is yeah the market was down 300..but damn it is off historic highs here, and a 3% drop is PEANUTS. But that said I know we have money flow and it wont turn into a bear market over night.

    I had to REALLY hold my fingers from buying some November calls on FSLR or DRYS, but good thing I waited to see how she finished on the day, right on the lows..that normally spells more selling.

    I also have to agree on some banking stocks, but more so the lenders..I think IMB and CFC could have trading bounces, but again I want to stress that prices seem low, but their business have been decimated, not only on the revenues side but severely on the PROFITS side..margins are gone..outta here.

    So yeah CFC and IMB look cheap on a chart basis, but cut those earnings and see how cheap they look..not cheap at all.

    I see some China and internet and tech stocks and I really see some severe cause for caution..after the first of the year especially.

    It is a lame duck year which is terrible for the market, I think this is the year we get knocked down hard..

    In the mean time lets try and make money however we can, long or short..one thing is for sure, the juice on options on these flyers is OUT OF CONTROL..which means it is time to get very nervous.


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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    Good idea to start another thread fellas.

    My view is there will be a trading opportunity if they kick the crap out fo them market on Monday to open, or at any time.

    What I think many are forgetting is yeah the market was down 300..but damn it is off historic highs here, and a 3% drop is PEANUTS. But that said I know we have money flow and it wont turn into a bear market over night.

    I had to REALLY hold my fingers from buying some November calls on FSLR or DRYS, but good thing I waited to see how she finished on the day, right on the lows..that normally spells more selling.

    I also have to agree on some banking stocks, but more so the lenders..I think IMB and CFC could have trading bounces, but again I want to stress that prices seem low, but their business have been decimated, not only on the revenues side but severely on the PROFITS side..margins are gone..outta here.

    So yeah CFC and IMB look cheap on a chart basis, but cut those earnings and see how cheap they look..not cheap at all.

    I see some China and internet and tech stocks and I really see some severe cause for caution..after the first of the year especially.

    It is a lame duck year which is terrible for the market, I think this is the year we get knocked down hard..

    In the mean time lets try and make money however we can, long or short..one thing is for sure, the juice on options on these flyers is OUT OF CONTROL..which means it is time to get very nervous.


     
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      I ask myself, what fundamentally has changed in the past 48 hours? Nothing, really. Except I may be able to buy the same stocks I wanted to own 72 hours ago, at a discount.
     
      We have known for some time that it will take many months for the extensive damage of the mortgage fiasco to be fully appreciated (if that is the right word;more like depreciated). But a market so easily spooked can also present opportunities. There are dislocations in many areas...having been in defensive mode in some respects for months, taking the occasional flier, I still like the same sectors I liked before Friday, for the same reasons...

     That being said, I still feel we will be in a recession, a word that pundits have been doing all sorts of acrobatics to avoid saying, in 2008.The main cog of much wealth creation in the past decade is finis for the immediate (and beyond) future. Not sure what crap the pols can gin up that would make anyone really think flipping houses is a great idea any more, nor should they.But they will promise ever increasingly stupid "solutions", count on it. The hacks are working overtime on it right now...

     We could see that globally oriented American companies can prosper without much participation of the American worker or consumer.                                                                                                                          
     

     
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      I ask myself, what fundamentally has changed in the past 48 hours? Nothing, really. Except I may be able to buy the same stocks I wanted to own 72 hours ago, at a discount.
     
      We have known for some time that it will take many months for the extensive damage of the mortgage fiasco to be fully appreciated (if that is the right word;more like depreciated). But a market so easily spooked can also present opportunities. There are dislocations in many areas...having been in defensive mode in some respects for months, taking the occasional flier, I still like the same sectors I liked before Friday, for the same reasons...

     That being said, I still feel we will be in a recession, a word that pundits have been doing all sorts of acrobatics to avoid saying, in 2008.The main cog of much wealth creation in the past decade is finis for the immediate (and beyond) future. Not sure what crap the pols can gin up that would make anyone really think flipping houses is a great idea any more, nor should they.But they will promise ever increasingly stupid "solutions", count on it. The hacks are working overtime on it right now...

     We could see that globally oriented American companies can prosper without much participation of the American worker or consumer.                                                                                                                          
     

     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2007 - 1:24 AM ET #3

    This is off topic but on topic of your comment.

    In the past I have done some real estate investing (down here before the market went NUTS) and I am on some email lists for foreclosure firms that go to auction then sell to investors or others.

    Within the last 2 to 3 months some screaming bargains are hitting the market at auction, when in the past that would not be the case..either banks were buying them back and selling into a hot market or a RE investor would buy.

    Today I got a listing for a STUNNING house in Scottsdale in probably the top subdivision in the city, one level 3500 sqft, 16 ft ceilings blah blah...

    House was attempted to sell for 1.2 M by an obvious owner who was leveraged to the head..

    Well this is being offered at 725k..which is an AMAZING deal..so much that I want to get it..haha

    Point is that even in great areas the market sucks..and there is probably more to go, much more before things might start turning.

    The greater the foreclosures and resets, the less home owners are spending outside the home..the effect of the situation will start to show at this christmas season..so beginning of 2008 is probably a good time to be starting to short or watching a long position very closely.
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    This is off topic but on topic of your comment.

    In the past I have done some real estate investing (down here before the market went NUTS) and I am on some email lists for foreclosure firms that go to auction then sell to investors or others.

    Within the last 2 to 3 months some screaming bargains are hitting the market at auction, when in the past that would not be the case..either banks were buying them back and selling into a hot market or a RE investor would buy.

    Today I got a listing for a STUNNING house in Scottsdale in probably the top subdivision in the city, one level 3500 sqft, 16 ft ceilings blah blah...

    House was attempted to sell for 1.2 M by an obvious owner who was leveraged to the head..

    Well this is being offered at 725k..which is an AMAZING deal..so much that I want to get it..haha

    Point is that even in great areas the market sucks..and there is probably more to go, much more before things might start turning.

    The greater the foreclosures and resets, the less home owners are spending outside the home..the effect of the situation will start to show at this christmas season..so beginning of 2008 is probably a good time to be starting to short or watching a long position very closely.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2007 - 8:45 AM ET #4

    Yeah, WSC, if there is sheer panic selling at Monday's open, I would look to get long for a "VERY SHORT-TERM" trade in something financial.  You definitely want to get on this train before bailout packages are announced this coming week.
     
    I am doing the same thing, and am literally hoping and praying that there are no bailout package announcements at Monday's open, but I think there is a better than 50/50 shot some asshole will start touting it to the media and make Monday's open not full of panic selling.
     
    No question, I'd like to see Monday open down 6-700 points on the DOW.
     
    Then I'll be the one dancing in the streets.
     
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    Yeah, WSC, if there is sheer panic selling at Monday's open, I would look to get long for a "VERY SHORT-TERM" trade in something financial.  You definitely want to get on this train before bailout packages are announced this coming week.
     
    I am doing the same thing, and am literally hoping and praying that there are no bailout package announcements at Monday's open, but I think there is a better than 50/50 shot some asshole will start touting it to the media and make Monday's open not full of panic selling.
     
    No question, I'd like to see Monday open down 6-700 points on the DOW.
     
    Then I'll be the one dancing in the streets.
     
    Cheers
     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2007 - 2:51 PM ET #5


      If the Dow opens 600 points down I will be buying with both fists!!! That is, if the stocks I have been wanting to add to are part of the bath.

      By the way, is anyone else ready for Alan Greenspan to just shut up? That old fool flogging his stupid book...sheesh...really getting on my nerves, especially as he is a main culprit in this on going story, at least in my book.

     

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      If the Dow opens 600 points down I will be buying with both fists!!! That is, if the stocks I have been wanting to add to are part of the bath.

      By the way, is anyone else ready for Alan Greenspan to just shut up? That old fool flogging his stupid book...sheesh...really getting on my nerves, especially as he is a main culprit in this on going story, at least in my book.

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2007 - 3:49 PM ET #6

    Agreed concerning Greenspam..most definately agree.

    He is the cause, Big Ben is just the sap left after the shipwreck.
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    Agreed concerning Greenspam..most definately agree.

    He is the cause, Big Ben is just the sap left after the shipwreck.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2007 - 8:11 PM ET #7

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    Posted: Oct. 21, 2007 - 4:56 PM ET #8

    I found the artcle by Dvorak on Marketwatch very interesting and full of sense regarding the direction of Microsoft.everyone knows how close Buffett and Gates are (that foundation gift says it all)...I continue to accumulate MSFT...


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    I found the artcle by Dvorak on Marketwatch very interesting and full of sense regarding the direction of Microsoft.everyone knows how close Buffett and Gates are (that foundation gift says it all)...I continue to accumulate MSFT...


     
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    Posted: Oct. 21, 2007 - 5:09 PM ET #9

    Have any bailout package announcements for the financials and US stock market been made this weekend?
     
    I am getting worried and feel I should have covered all shorts at Friday's close rather than hoping and praying and biting fingernails for 2 days that there is no bailout package at tomorrow's open.
     
    Thanks
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    Have any bailout package announcements for the financials and US stock market been made this weekend?
     
    I am getting worried and feel I should have covered all shorts at Friday's close rather than hoping and praying and biting fingernails for 2 days that there is no bailout package at tomorrow's open.
     
    Thanks
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2007 - 11:00 AM ET #10

    Geez..what a terrible day to not wake the hell up in the morning.

    DRYS goes to 103.50 in the first minute of the open..now at 112  




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    Geez..what a terrible day to not wake the hell up in the morning.

    DRYS goes to 103.50 in the first minute of the open..now at 112  




     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2007 - 1:07 PM ET #11

    I bought some DRYS at $113 today... I saw that WS $103  to open. Up to $117... Hopefully it gets back to that $126- $130 price.
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    I bought some DRYS at $113 today... I saw that WS $103  to open. Up to $117... Hopefully it gets back to that $126- $130 price.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2007 - 1:14 PM ET #12

    Piles,

    Yeah..it was a legit trade. Son of a b@tch.. I have been dragging my butt out of bed before 6AM lately and today I didnt and it cost me huge.

    The 100 contracts are over a double, the 110 and 115s are about a triple.

    I am quite pissed..the trade I wanted and I over slept.     
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    Piles,

    Yeah..it was a legit trade. Son of a b@tch.. I have been dragging my butt out of bed before 6AM lately and today I didnt and it cost me huge.

    The 100 contracts are over a double, the 110 and 115s are about a triple.

    I am quite pissed..the trade I wanted and I over slept.     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2007 - 2:20 PM ET #13

    Purchased a meager amount of CRDC today ahead of Friday's news.  I may increase that stake closer to Friday, I just want to have some available cash if something crazy happens the next few days in the markets.
     

    Cardica, Inc. (Nasdaq: CRDC) today announced that it will release financial results for its fiscal first quarter ended September 30, 2007 on Friday, October 26, 2007 before the markets open, and the company's management will host a conference call at 10:30 a.m. Eastern Time to discuss the financial results and provide an update on the company's business.

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    Purchased a meager amount of CRDC today ahead of Friday's news.  I may increase that stake closer to Friday, I just want to have some available cash if something crazy happens the next few days in the markets.
     

    Cardica, Inc. (Nasdaq: CRDC) today announced that it will release financial results for its fiscal first quarter ended September 30, 2007 on Friday, October 26, 2007 before the markets open, and the company's management will host a conference call at 10:30 a.m. Eastern Time to discuss the financial results and provide an update on the company's business.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2007 - 2:26 PM ET #14

    Grid,

    The results probably arent a catalyst..the CC will be..but if it sells off based on PAST results, fine with me, I get a better deal on extra shares.

    I am crying here... the DRYS 130 calls were 1.20 low on the day, now at 8 bucks....holy crap.

    Chance of a lifetime on that 12 pt drop and I am sawing logs..  
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    Grid,

    The results probably arent a catalyst..the CC will be..but if it sells off based on PAST results, fine with me, I get a better deal on extra shares.

    I am crying here... the DRYS 130 calls were 1.20 low on the day, now at 8 bucks....holy crap.

    Chance of a lifetime on that 12 pt drop and I am sawing logs..  
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2007 - 2:37 PM ET #15

    Understand.  Just wanted to be ahead of the curve this time with regards to their conference.   I believe their last run-up was the result of the William Blair presentation October 3rd.  Hopefully we'll get some more good news. 
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    Understand.  Just wanted to be ahead of the curve this time with regards to their conference.   I believe their last run-up was the result of the William Blair presentation October 3rd.  Hopefully we'll get some more good news. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2007 - 2:35 AM ET #16

    Grid-
     
    BINGO!  It was the Blair conference that caused the last jolt.  WSC is right.....earnings won't do anything, but it is what they say that could cause movement.
     
    The problem with CRDC is that there isn't much of a short position to get terrorized.
     
    For CRDC to really get some legs, people need to get negative on it, and that won't happen unless it goes up another 200-300% to 25-30ish.
     
    I am in it for the long haul, as I think it has a chance to be a winner over the next 2-3 years.  Also, I "hope" and "don't think" the downside risk from here outweighs the upside.  I am in it for the long haul, but have no idea what it will do day to day.
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    Grid-
     
    BINGO!  It was the Blair conference that caused the last jolt.  WSC is right.....earnings won't do anything, but it is what they say that could cause movement.
     
    The problem with CRDC is that there isn't much of a short position to get terrorized.
     
    For CRDC to really get some legs, people need to get negative on it, and that won't happen unless it goes up another 200-300% to 25-30ish.
     
    I am in it for the long haul, as I think it has a chance to be a winner over the next 2-3 years.  Also, I "hope" and "don't think" the downside risk from here outweighs the upside.  I am in it for the long haul, but have no idea what it will do day to day.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2007 - 2:41 AM ET #17

    I got lucky on Monday's open.
     
    Closed all shorts (SPY, C, COF, and CTX) at open.  Really should've done it at Friday's close, so I dodged a bullet.  I knew bailout packages were in the works, but let it ride for 2 days over the weekend cause I'm a loser degenerate gambler at heart.  BTW, holding those shorts over the weekend wasn't worth the measly fractions of gain.......I have been worried sick about bailout packages since last Friday, and at least now can just vomit when they come instead of losing money to boot.  Made very little money on aggreagate with these shorts.
     
    What horrifies me, though, it that I sat on my goddamn ass after the open and didn't get long on anything for a very short-term trade, when I knew goddamn well the broad would bounce off the open.
     
    And it did.
     
    F it all to hell.  Money never sleeps.  Ever.
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    I got lucky on Monday's open.
     
    Closed all shorts (SPY, C, COF, and CTX) at open.  Really should've done it at Friday's close, so I dodged a bullet.  I knew bailout packages were in the works, but let it ride for 2 days over the weekend cause I'm a loser degenerate gambler at heart.  BTW, holding those shorts over the weekend wasn't worth the measly fractions of gain.......I have been worried sick about bailout packages since last Friday, and at least now can just vomit when they come instead of losing money to boot.  Made very little money on aggreagate with these shorts.
     
    What horrifies me, though, it that I sat on my goddamn ass after the open and didn't get long on anything for a very short-term trade, when I knew goddamn well the broad would bounce off the open.
     
    And it did.
     
    F it all to hell.  Money never sleeps.  Ever.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2007 - 2:42 AM ET #18

    Current Longs:
     
    FSLR
    GTLS
    SYY
    CRDC
    GOOD OL' FASHIONED CASH
     
    Current Shorts:
     
    nothing
     
    Have a good week, everyone.
     
    Cheers
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    Current Longs:
     
    FSLR
    GTLS
    SYY
    CRDC
    GOOD OL' FASHIONED CASH
     
    Current Shorts:
     
    nothing
     
    Have a good week, everyone.
     
    Cheers
     
    claycourtlesson
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2007 - 2:46 AM ET #19

    Am thinking of adding more GTLS off the recent sell-off.  To me, this is a great buying opportunity for a company that will grow well and not cause stomach disorders from severe fluctuations.
     
    CRDC has more upside than downside.
     
    SYY is a good hold for the long haul, as it has a nice dividend and little downside.  (Sorry, WSC, I know you hate them, and I agree that their product is total crappola, but they rise in price from here).
     
    FSLR is a freakin roller-coaster.  Basis is 111, and I am ready to bail out eventually, cause the ups and downs are killing my heart.
     
    Cheers
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    Am thinking of adding more GTLS off the recent sell-off.  To me, this is a great buying opportunity for a company that will grow well and not cause stomach disorders from severe fluctuations.
     
    CRDC has more upside than downside.
     
    SYY is a good hold for the long haul, as it has a nice dividend and little downside.  (Sorry, WSC, I know you hate them, and I agree that their product is total crappola, but they rise in price from here).
     
    FSLR is a freakin roller-coaster.  Basis is 111, and I am ready to bail out eventually, cause the ups and downs are killing my heart.
     
    Cheers
     
    Gridophiles
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2007 - 9:05 AM ET #20

    For those of you following CSUN like I am.  Don't own any right now as I was looking for a good entry point:
     
    China Sunergy Started At Sell By Lazard Capital Markets

    Stock getting hammered pre-market.

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    For those of you following CSUN like I am.  Don't own any right now as I was looking for a good entry point:
     
    China Sunergy Started At Sell By Lazard Capital Markets

    Stock getting hammered pre-market.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2007 - 9:52 AM ET #21

    hey wall,ALOT of scooping up of sgp after getting its ass kicked,,sharp players[im still in gamblin mode] investors gettin in
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    hey wall,ALOT of scooping up of sgp after getting its ass kicked,,sharp players[im still in gamblin mode] investors gettin in
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2007 - 9:53 AM ET #22

    im in now too,waitin for the print
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    im in now too,waitin for the print
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2007 - 10:02 AM ET #23

    CRDC 12.5
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    CRDC 12.5
     
    wallstreetcappers
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2007 - 10:17 AM ET #24

    boiler-room,

    SGP? Why? So many pharmas out there to go for SGP?

    CRDC doing great on LOW volume..if they cross 13, the volume probably comes in.

    Trade of the month up in smokes yesterday..man I am going to bitch about this for a year..DRYS up another 5 bucks today.
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    boiler-room,

    SGP? Why? So many pharmas out there to go for SGP?

    CRDC doing great on LOW volume..if they cross 13, the volume probably comes in.

    Trade of the month up in smokes yesterday..man I am going to bitch about this for a year..DRYS up another 5 bucks today.
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2007 - 11:25 AM ET #25

    Financials dragging the market down big time..

    IMB and CFC had big time reversals, oils keep getting hit and refiners..

    In this environment you might see a negative market but many positive sectors.


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    Financials dragging the market down big time..

    IMB and CFC had big time reversals, oils keep getting hit and refiners..

    In this environment you might see a negative market but many positive sectors.


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