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    Jim Cramer may of just made a huge mistake

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    Posted: Mar. 20, 2007 - 10:41 AM ET #1

    Flamboyant Wall Street trader turned TV host Jim Cramer, not known for being the shy, retiring type, might have said too much in a video interview he did for a financial Web site.

    The host of CNBC's daily program "Mad Money" had hedge fund-trading desks buzzing yesterday after he bragged about manipulating stock prices during his days as a trader.

    In the video from TheStreet.com's "Wall Street Confidential" Webcast, Cramer boasts about manipulating the price of a high-flying stock down, and even acknowledges that doing so might have been illegal. The video is making the rounds on YouTube.

    "A lot of times when I was short, I would create a level of activity beforehand that would drive the futures. . . . It's a fun game," Cramer said in the Webcast, which was moderated by TheStreet.com Executive Editor Aaron Task.

    Cramer later said that "no one else in the world would ever admit that, but I don't care."

    However, seconds later, he acknowledged, "I'm not going to say that on TV," referring to his show on CNBC.

    A remarkably successful money manager when he ran the $450 million Cramer Berkowitz hedge fund, Cramer in the Webcast shared his "tips" on how to drive a stock price down so that a short-position - a bet that a stock price would drop - remains profitable.

    He added that the strategy - while illegal - was safe enough because, "the Securities and Exchange Commission never understands this."

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    Flamboyant Wall Street trader turned TV host Jim Cramer, not known for being the shy, retiring type, might have said too much in a video interview he did for a financial Web site.

    The host of CNBC's daily program "Mad Money" had hedge fund-trading desks buzzing yesterday after he bragged about manipulating stock prices during his days as a trader.

    In the video from TheStreet.com's "Wall Street Confidential" Webcast, Cramer boasts about manipulating the price of a high-flying stock down, and even acknowledges that doing so might have been illegal. The video is making the rounds on YouTube.

    "A lot of times when I was short, I would create a level of activity beforehand that would drive the futures. . . . It's a fun game," Cramer said in the Webcast, which was moderated by TheStreet.com Executive Editor Aaron Task.

    Cramer later said that "no one else in the world would ever admit that, but I don't care."

    However, seconds later, he acknowledged, "I'm not going to say that on TV," referring to his show on CNBC.

    A remarkably successful money manager when he ran the $450 million Cramer Berkowitz hedge fund, Cramer in the Webcast shared his "tips" on how to drive a stock price down so that a short-position - a bet that a stock price would drop - remains profitable.

    He added that the strategy - while illegal - was safe enough because, "the Securities and Exchange Commission never understands this."

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    Posted: Mar. 20, 2007 - 12:02 PM ET #2

    I believe it.

    Back then those high flying tech stocks really didnt have large floats. I had a few clients who would buy 5k shares of a stock at the market and it could move it a dollar..no joking.

    Of course Cramer is as slimy as they come, but CNBC loves those ratings.

    Good article..


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    I believe it.

    Back then those high flying tech stocks really didnt have large floats. I had a few clients who would buy 5k shares of a stock at the market and it could move it a dollar..no joking.

    Of course Cramer is as slimy as they come, but CNBC loves those ratings.

    Good article..


     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2007 - 1:44 PM ET #3

    Gentlemen, I was about to start a thread about what you thought of Jim Cramer personally. This is the first thread I came upon, dealing with him, and I was unaware of his "sliminess." I have garnered that feeling a little bit just by some of his rants he generates on his show.

    I do find myself watching his show 4-5 times a week, and I am pretty entertained by him. I'm sure that's one of CNBC's ploys to lure people in. It works on me at least.

    I had a friend in school who made close to 3k in a little over a year and a half, out of literally nothing (considering he was a college student), following some of his picks. Now he was a finance major, and had a good idea of the market and whatnot, but I thought that was pretty good. Some times, if he goes crazy on a stock, I'll follow them for a little bit, and sure enough they seem to do what he says.

    I guess my question to you guys is, would it be a good idea for someone like myself, with some knowledge of the market, but not enough to actually spot things on my own, to follow him, or is he just flat out full of bullshit, who gets lucky picking things in his/CNBC's quest to create a propaganda machine? 

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    Gentlemen, I was about to start a thread about what you thought of Jim Cramer personally. This is the first thread I came upon, dealing with him, and I was unaware of his "sliminess." I have garnered that feeling a little bit just by some of his rants he generates on his show.

    I do find myself watching his show 4-5 times a week, and I am pretty entertained by him. I'm sure that's one of CNBC's ploys to lure people in. It works on me at least.

    I had a friend in school who made close to 3k in a little over a year and a half, out of literally nothing (considering he was a college student), following some of his picks. Now he was a finance major, and had a good idea of the market and whatnot, but I thought that was pretty good. Some times, if he goes crazy on a stock, I'll follow them for a little bit, and sure enough they seem to do what he says.

    I guess my question to you guys is, would it be a good idea for someone like myself, with some knowledge of the market, but not enough to actually spot things on my own, to follow him, or is he just flat out full of bullshit, who gets lucky picking things in his/CNBC's quest to create a propaganda machine? 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2007 - 1:52 PM ET #4

    Don't follow anyone.  By the time youi hear the news, the stock has probably made its move and you'll be way too late.
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    Don't follow anyone.  By the time youi hear the news, the stock has probably made its move and you'll be way too late.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2007 - 9:58 AM ET #5

    I am just just seeing this thread, but felt the want to opine...
     
    In one of his books, Cramer talks about how he learned at Goldman from a senior trader how to manipulate an individual stock's price.  I didn't follow this story, but I have to assume that nothing materialized.
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    I am just just seeing this thread, but felt the want to opine...
     
    In one of his books, Cramer talks about how he learned at Goldman from a senior trader how to manipulate an individual stock's price.  I didn't follow this story, but I have to assume that nothing materialized.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2007 - 11:35 AM ET #6

    Blue Chip: I think that I read the book you're referencing above. Cramer was questioning what actually made a stock move up and his superior placed a large buy order for a stock causing the stock's price to shoot up. His point was that supply and demand dictate the price not manipulation.
     
    In theory, anyone with enough money can keep a stock price propped up if they just keep buying the stock at the price they want to see.
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    Blue Chip: I think that I read the book you're referencing above. Cramer was questioning what actually made a stock move up and his superior placed a large buy order for a stock causing the stock's price to shoot up. His point was that supply and demand dictate the price not manipulation.
     
    In theory, anyone with enough money can keep a stock price propped up if they just keep buying the stock at the price they want to see.
     
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    No offense meant at all......but does anyone for one millisecond think that "TRADING" the stock market IS NOT anything EXCEPT manipulation at its finest???
     
    Like this Cramer crappola is new news????
     
    Come on, already!!!!!!
     
    This is like when a story comes out about how a player threw a game based on a point-spread.
     
    This happens probably almost on a daily basis.
     
    Maria Bartiroma used to jimmy prices right on fucking CNBC back when she was the NYSE mascot with all her voice inflections.
     
    Like sports gambling, trading (not long term dollar cost averaging investing) the stock market is one of the most shady things going.  Only someone who is too naive would refute me.
     
    Everyone in that business cannot be trusted.....everyone is out for one thing....money.  And that corrupts the whole ball of wax to where anything and everything goes.
     
    One of the wiser things I read once is, "hate every stock, cause every one of them can gut you clean." 
     
    Cramer's show is really a tired act with all his screaming.  But, he's telling the truth (for once) when he brags about manipulating prices.  His whole deal on his show is "pump and dump." 
     
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    No offense meant at all......but does anyone for one millisecond think that "TRADING" the stock market IS NOT anything EXCEPT manipulation at its finest???
     
    Like this Cramer crappola is new news????
     
    Come on, already!!!!!!
     
    This is like when a story comes out about how a player threw a game based on a point-spread.
     
    This happens probably almost on a daily basis.
     
    Maria Bartiroma used to jimmy prices right on fucking CNBC back when she was the NYSE mascot with all her voice inflections.
     
    Like sports gambling, trading (not long term dollar cost averaging investing) the stock market is one of the most shady things going.  Only someone who is too naive would refute me.
     
    Everyone in that business cannot be trusted.....everyone is out for one thing....money.  And that corrupts the whole ball of wax to where anything and everything goes.
     
    One of the wiser things I read once is, "hate every stock, cause every one of them can gut you clean." 
     
    Cramer's show is really a tired act with all his screaming.  But, he's telling the truth (for once) when he brags about manipulating prices.  His whole deal on his show is "pump and dump." 
     
    Cheers
     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 21, 2007 - 2:25 PM ET #8

    its not all manip. i work with the market every day and i see some but not a ton of it.
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    its not all manip. i work with the market every day and i see some but not a ton of it.
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