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    Hugo want's Euro's

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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2008 - 4:38 AM ET #1

    AFP - Saturday, March 15 10:09 pm

    CARACAS (AFP) - Venezuelan state oil giant PDVSA has decided to sign some oil contracts in euros in the face of a plummeting dollar, local media reported, citing officials.

    "There are some contracts in euros, contracts for crude, products and spot markets in euros. This is a subject which we are working on," said energy minister and Petroleos de Venezuela (PDVSA) chief, Rafael Ramirez, in an interview with the journal El Universal published Friday.

    It remained unclear which oil sales would require payment in euros.

    Venezuela, Latin America's leading petroleum producer, has previously backed Iran's proposals for OPEC to abandon the dollar and use the euro for oil pricing. But the Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Countries has rejected the idea, at least in the short-term.

    The head of the journal Petroleum World, Elio Ohep, said the shift to euros was "good business" for Venezuela.

    "PDVSA always had an interest to negotiate in dollars because the company had refineries in the United States and needed cash but currently with the euro rising, it is taking in more dollars and (Venezuelan) bolivars," he said.

    The dollar hit new lows this week against the euro and yen, with the euro at 1.5669 dollars at 21000 GMT on Friday.

    Venezuela produces 3.3 million barrels of oil a day, according to official figures, and 2.4 million according to the International Energy Agency. Half of its production is sold to the United States market.

    wonder how THIS will play on Wall Street? Saudi's NEXT?

    hell, maybe it would stabilize the price

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    AFP - Saturday, March 15 10:09 pm

    CARACAS (AFP) - Venezuelan state oil giant PDVSA has decided to sign some oil contracts in euros in the face of a plummeting dollar, local media reported, citing officials.

    "There are some contracts in euros, contracts for crude, products and spot markets in euros. This is a subject which we are working on," said energy minister and Petroleos de Venezuela (PDVSA) chief, Rafael Ramirez, in an interview with the journal El Universal published Friday.

    It remained unclear which oil sales would require payment in euros.

    Venezuela, Latin America's leading petroleum producer, has previously backed Iran's proposals for OPEC to abandon the dollar and use the euro for oil pricing. But the Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Countries has rejected the idea, at least in the short-term.

    The head of the journal Petroleum World, Elio Ohep, said the shift to euros was "good business" for Venezuela.

    "PDVSA always had an interest to negotiate in dollars because the company had refineries in the United States and needed cash but currently with the euro rising, it is taking in more dollars and (Venezuelan) bolivars," he said.

    The dollar hit new lows this week against the euro and yen, with the euro at 1.5669 dollars at 21000 GMT on Friday.

    Venezuela produces 3.3 million barrels of oil a day, according to official figures, and 2.4 million according to the International Energy Agency. Half of its production is sold to the United States market.

    wonder how THIS will play on Wall Street? Saudi's NEXT?

    hell, maybe it would stabilize the price

     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2008 - 2:23 PM ET #2

    Hugo,
     
    Can hem and haw all he wants but OPEC is run by the Saudis, regardless of what people think, they like a good relationship with the US.  Further, most of the oil Hugo sells goes to the US and not europe so maybe a few of the contracts go to Europe but not to directly impact the bottomline.
     
    further, Chavez is trying to disguise that since he nationalized the oil and gas production in his country - his oil production is going down though his reserves have gone up. Like most nationalized industries he hasn't put enough into extraction and machinery and his antics have chased away a large precentage of the engineers that worked in the oil industry.  he also needs to keep the money coming in as he is trying to stave off astronomical inflation that is getting the people restless.
     
    He is also a blowhard.
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    Hugo,
     
    Can hem and haw all he wants but OPEC is run by the Saudis, regardless of what people think, they like a good relationship with the US.  Further, most of the oil Hugo sells goes to the US and not europe so maybe a few of the contracts go to Europe but not to directly impact the bottomline.
     
    further, Chavez is trying to disguise that since he nationalized the oil and gas production in his country - his oil production is going down though his reserves have gone up. Like most nationalized industries he hasn't put enough into extraction and machinery and his antics have chased away a large precentage of the engineers that worked in the oil industry.  he also needs to keep the money coming in as he is trying to stave off astronomical inflation that is getting the people restless.
     
    He is also a blowhard.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2008 - 2:27 PM ET #3

    Rat,

    Yeah he has been talking about this for a long long time..let him convert, it doesnt matter and will bite him in the a$$ down the road.


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    Rat,

    Yeah he has been talking about this for a long long time..let him convert, it doesnt matter and will bite him in the a$$ down the road.


     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2008 - 2:39 PM ET #4

    Like most nationalized industries he hasn't put enough into extraction and machinery and his antics have chased away a large precentage of the engineers that worked in the oil industry. 
     
    that used to be the problem in Russia. I know from flying corporate for an E&P company in the late 1970's and just keeping my ears open that you can screw up an oil field IF you don't produce it properly and esp a mature one. have seen some online reports that has happend in both Venezuela and Iran.
     
    hell, IF the OPECers were to price in Euros it might actually STABLIZE the market. I would wager that the last $30-$40 in crude price has been from the tanking US$.
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    Like most nationalized industries he hasn't put enough into extraction and machinery and his antics have chased away a large precentage of the engineers that worked in the oil industry. 
     
    that used to be the problem in Russia. I know from flying corporate for an E&P company in the late 1970's and just keeping my ears open that you can screw up an oil field IF you don't produce it properly and esp a mature one. have seen some online reports that has happend in both Venezuela and Iran.
     
    hell, IF the OPECers were to price in Euros it might actually STABLIZE the market. I would wager that the last $30-$40 in crude price has been from the tanking US$.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 29, 2008 - 4:11 PM ET #5

    what is all the fuzz about, I dont want euros.
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    what is all the fuzz about, I dont want euros.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 29, 2008 - 4:23 PM ET #6


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     Do you feel as I do that we are witnessing the replacement of the USD as the reserve world currency? Given Fed policies, it is only logical to get out of it. Naturally the holders of these ever declining pieces of paper want to do so in an orderly fashion.But to persist in taking the USD rather than either switching to the Euro or a basket of currencies is to me extremely foolish and I would not want to defend it were i the governor of a sovereign wealth fund.Although I would think one would have to explain what took one so long to do it...


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     Rink:

     Do you feel as I do that we are witnessing the replacement of the USD as the reserve world currency? Given Fed policies, it is only logical to get out of it. Naturally the holders of these ever declining pieces of paper want to do so in an orderly fashion.But to persist in taking the USD rather than either switching to the Euro or a basket of currencies is to me extremely foolish and I would not want to defend it were i the governor of a sovereign wealth fund.Although I would think one would have to explain what took one so long to do it...


     
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    Posted: Mar. 29, 2008 - 6:06 PM ET #7

    we all should invest in euros its the currency of the anti christ damn europeans
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    we all should invest in euros its the currency of the anti christ damn europeans
     
     
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    Posted: Mar. 29, 2008 - 7:47 PM ET #8

    Thats funny
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    Thats funny
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