Right.... ALL HIS freeking FAULT. like NOTHING the last TWO DECADES has had ANY effect on this financial MESS.
and WHAT is the TBT? a short bond ETF?
rink, for better or worse, this is his baby now and has been since november when people knew who was running things. nothing that happened before november matters. only forward looking things matter
the market cares about one thing "how the fuck are we getting out of this?"
-they dont like bailouts -the dont like rule changing -they dont like fed res. printing presses -they dont like 90% taxes -they dont like insane budgets and crazy massive debts -they dont like when the government trashes its own currency -they dont like when the chinese dont play nice (and they arent)
tbt - leveraged short treasury etf. bets that rates will rise and prices of t bills will fall
i think/believe that given the current risk of buying us debt rates should be north of 8-10% but we dont live in normal times
the thing is volitile but has a nice base in the mid 40s especially after ben's announcement last week
Quote Originally Posted by LeRinkRat:
party's over soon barack
Right.... ALL HIS freeking FAULT. like NOTHING the last TWO DECADES has had ANY effect on this financial MESS.
and WHAT is the TBT? a short bond ETF?
rink, for better or worse, this is his baby now and has been since november when people knew who was running things. nothing that happened before november matters. only forward looking things matter
the market cares about one thing "how the fuck are we getting out of this?"
-they dont like bailouts -the dont like rule changing -they dont like fed res. printing presses -they dont like 90% taxes -they dont like insane budgets and crazy massive debts -they dont like when the government trashes its own currency -they dont like when the chinese dont play nice (and they arent)
tbt - leveraged short treasury etf. bets that rates will rise and prices of t bills will fall
i think/believe that given the current risk of buying us debt rates should be north of 8-10% but we dont live in normal times
the thing is volitile but has a nice base in the mid 40s especially after ben's announcement last week
"What say you DB? The largest bond price fixing conspiracy in history? That would be quite entertaining".
been a "fixed game" going back to Greenspan's artificial interest rates for the last decade. maybe in a few months I will get a decent return on my savings (IF the US dollar is still WORTH anything)
"What say you DB? The largest bond price fixing conspiracy in history? That would be quite entertaining".
been a "fixed game" going back to Greenspan's artificial interest rates for the last decade. maybe in a few months I will get a decent return on my savings (IF the US dollar is still WORTH anything)
they dont like when the chinese dont play nice (and they arent)
I liked the fact that the Fox News reporter called the Chinese COMMUNISTS last night at the press conference, which is WHAT they ARE. we been pussyfooting with those people TO LONG. they cheat on their currency, they cheat on trade (have tariffs on US goods but whine IF we talk about slapping THEN with the same), they send unsafe CRAP to this country from toothpaste to toys to medicines (remember the poisoned Heperin?) and then get snooty when we call then on it.
FUCK!!! they don't give a shit about the safety of their OWN people as whitnessed by the melamine in the milk, why the HELL would they care about a bunch of "foreign devils"?
I guess the US forgot the Lenin quote when they started doing business with these commie gonophs....
"The best way to destroy the capitalist system is to debauch the currency"
they dont like when the chinese dont play nice (and they arent)
I liked the fact that the Fox News reporter called the Chinese COMMUNISTS last night at the press conference, which is WHAT they ARE. we been pussyfooting with those people TO LONG. they cheat on their currency, they cheat on trade (have tariffs on US goods but whine IF we talk about slapping THEN with the same), they send unsafe CRAP to this country from toothpaste to toys to medicines (remember the poisoned Heperin?) and then get snooty when we call then on it.
FUCK!!! they don't give a shit about the safety of their OWN people as whitnessed by the melamine in the milk, why the HELL would they care about a bunch of "foreign devils"?
I guess the US forgot the Lenin quote when they started doing business with these commie gonophs....
"The best way to destroy the capitalist system is to debauch the currency"
they dont like when the chinese dont play nice (and they arent)
I liked the fact that the Fox News reporter called the Chinese COMMUNISTS last night at the press conference, which is WHAT they ARE. we been pussyfooting with those people TO LONG. they cheat on their currency, they cheat on trade (have tariffs on US goods but whine IF we talk about slapping THEN with the same), they send unsafe CRAP to this country from toothpaste to toys to medicines (remember the poisoned Heperin?) and then get snooty when we call then on it.
FUCK!!! they don't give a shit about the safety of their OWN people as whitnessed by the melamine in the milk, why the HELL would they care about a bunch of "foreign devils"?
I guess the US forgot the Lenin quote when they started doing business with these commie gonophs....
"The best way to destroy the capitalist system is to debauch the currency"
All that you say is perfectly accurate including the quote.However, we are a debtor nation that thinks it can print its way to prosperity, and force feed the rest of the world our debased currency.
Alas, it does not work that way, especially when foreign communist governments are the largest holders of your bills.
It is hilarious to think that the Chinese are the ones having to remind the capitalists in DC of economic verities, as they have recently.
Quote Originally Posted by LeRinkRat:
they dont like when the chinese dont play nice (and they arent)
I liked the fact that the Fox News reporter called the Chinese COMMUNISTS last night at the press conference, which is WHAT they ARE. we been pussyfooting with those people TO LONG. they cheat on their currency, they cheat on trade (have tariffs on US goods but whine IF we talk about slapping THEN with the same), they send unsafe CRAP to this country from toothpaste to toys to medicines (remember the poisoned Heperin?) and then get snooty when we call then on it.
FUCK!!! they don't give a shit about the safety of their OWN people as whitnessed by the melamine in the milk, why the HELL would they care about a bunch of "foreign devils"?
I guess the US forgot the Lenin quote when they started doing business with these commie gonophs....
"The best way to destroy the capitalist system is to debauch the currency"
All that you say is perfectly accurate including the quote.However, we are a debtor nation that thinks it can print its way to prosperity, and force feed the rest of the world our debased currency.
Alas, it does not work that way, especially when foreign communist governments are the largest holders of your bills.
It is hilarious to think that the Chinese are the ones having to remind the capitalists in DC of economic verities, as they have recently.
and force feed the rest of the world our debased currency.
why NOT? we FEED half the underdeveloped world NOW. we could save a LOAD of money stopping THAT bullshit. let the mother fucking Saudis feed the Muslins and the ChiComs the Asians (oh wait, they can't feed their OWN people. never mind)
and force feed the rest of the world our debased currency.
why NOT? we FEED half the underdeveloped world NOW. we could save a LOAD of money stopping THAT bullshit. let the mother fucking Saudis feed the Muslins and the ChiComs the Asians (oh wait, they can't feed their OWN people. never mind)
and force feed the rest of the world our debased currency.
why NOT? we FEED half the underdeveloped world NOW. we could save a LOAD of money stopping THAT bullshit. let the mother fucking Saudis feed the Muslins and the ChiComs the Asians (oh wait, they can't feed their OWN people. never mind)
Rink, you do throw some curveballs don't you?? Sometimes you are a Republican bashing maniac, then you veer off into nativist rants that would have made Father Coughlin proud...good grief.
The Chinese need not buy our dollars.They would rather not.And they are arrogant enough (and correct enough) to tell this administration it had better not think they can dilute the currency simply to aid its political agenda, not if they want the Chinese to keep holding dollars.
Would seem a simple and (very basic, sound) piece of economic advice to me. I would prefer the Chinese keep financing our debt, but if I were them, I would be slowly and surely walking away from it.
Quote Originally Posted by LeRinkRat:
and force feed the rest of the world our debased currency.
why NOT? we FEED half the underdeveloped world NOW. we could save a LOAD of money stopping THAT bullshit. let the mother fucking Saudis feed the Muslins and the ChiComs the Asians (oh wait, they can't feed their OWN people. never mind)
Rink, you do throw some curveballs don't you?? Sometimes you are a Republican bashing maniac, then you veer off into nativist rants that would have made Father Coughlin proud...good grief.
The Chinese need not buy our dollars.They would rather not.And they are arrogant enough (and correct enough) to tell this administration it had better not think they can dilute the currency simply to aid its political agenda, not if they want the Chinese to keep holding dollars.
Would seem a simple and (very basic, sound) piece of economic advice to me. I would prefer the Chinese keep financing our debt, but if I were them, I would be slowly and surely walking away from it.
rink, for better or worse, this is his baby now and has been since november when people knew who was running things. nothing that happened before november matters. only forward looking things matter
for the next 4 years everything that goes wrong will be because of Bush and everything that goes right will be because of the Messiah.
Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:
rink, for better or worse, this is his baby now and has been since november when people knew who was running things. nothing that happened before november matters. only forward looking things matter
for the next 4 years everything that goes wrong will be because of Bush and everything that goes right will be because of the Messiah.
"What say you DB? The largest bond price fixing conspiracy in history? That would be quite entertaining". 
for the next 4 years everything that goes wrong will be because of Bush and everything that goes right will be because of the Messiah. 
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