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    Funds-Inflow Streak at 22

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    Posted: Aug. 20, 2009 - 11:03 AM ET #1

    Long-term mutual funds saw investors' money flow in for the 22nd week in a row amid particularly steep buying of bond funds, according to figures released Wednesday by the Investment Company Institute.

    Inflows, or net amount of buying, were $15.57 billion in the week ended Aug. 12, bringing the total inflows for the past 22 weeks to about $230.89 billion.

    Stock funds had inflows of $2.79 billion, against inflows of $5.43 billion the prior week. Weekly outflows from stock funds topped $10 billion earlier this year before the market started to rebound in March.

    U.S. stock funds had inflows of $318 million as foreign funds had inflows of $2.48 billion.

    At the same time, bond funds had inflows of $11.84 billion, up from $11.74 billion the prior week. Taxable funds added $9.86 billion, while municipal ones took in $1.98 billion.

    Investors put $945 million into hybrid funds, compared with $1.03 billion the previous week, the institute said. Such funds can invest in both stocks and fixed-income assets.

    Separately, assets in money-market funds fell $22.63 billion in the latest week amid steep withdrawals by institutional investors, the sixth consecutive week of outflows, according to iMoneyNet's Money Fund Report. Cash has been returning to stocks after the 17-month selloff.

    The seven-day yield on taxable money-market funds held steady at its record low of 0.07%. The yield has been steadily declining in the wake of a decision by the U.S. Federal Reserve to keep the target federal-funds rate under 0.25%, which was recently affirmed.

    For the week ended Tuesday, total assets in money-market funds dropped to $3.524 trillion.

    Overall, taxable-fund assets declined by $19.81 billion to $3.078 trillion as institutional investors took out $16.49 billion and individual investors withdrew $3.32 billion. Government funds had $17.31 billion of outflows, according to iMoneyNet.

    Tax-free funds posted outflows of $2.82 billion, as yields fell to 0.10% from 0.11% for seven-day funds but held steady at 0.12% for 30-day funds.

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    Long-term mutual funds saw investors' money flow in for the 22nd week in a row amid particularly steep buying of bond funds, according to figures released Wednesday by the Investment Company Institute.

    Inflows, or net amount of buying, were $15.57 billion in the week ended Aug. 12, bringing the total inflows for the past 22 weeks to about $230.89 billion.

    Stock funds had inflows of $2.79 billion, against inflows of $5.43 billion the prior week. Weekly outflows from stock funds topped $10 billion earlier this year before the market started to rebound in March.

    U.S. stock funds had inflows of $318 million as foreign funds had inflows of $2.48 billion.

    At the same time, bond funds had inflows of $11.84 billion, up from $11.74 billion the prior week. Taxable funds added $9.86 billion, while municipal ones took in $1.98 billion.

    Investors put $945 million into hybrid funds, compared with $1.03 billion the previous week, the institute said. Such funds can invest in both stocks and fixed-income assets.

    Separately, assets in money-market funds fell $22.63 billion in the latest week amid steep withdrawals by institutional investors, the sixth consecutive week of outflows, according to iMoneyNet's Money Fund Report. Cash has been returning to stocks after the 17-month selloff.

    The seven-day yield on taxable money-market funds held steady at its record low of 0.07%. The yield has been steadily declining in the wake of a decision by the U.S. Federal Reserve to keep the target federal-funds rate under 0.25%, which was recently affirmed.

    For the week ended Tuesday, total assets in money-market funds dropped to $3.524 trillion.

    Overall, taxable-fund assets declined by $19.81 billion to $3.078 trillion as institutional investors took out $16.49 billion and individual investors withdrew $3.32 billion. Government funds had $17.31 billion of outflows, according to iMoneyNet.

    Tax-free funds posted outflows of $2.82 billion, as yields fell to 0.10% from 0.11% for seven-day funds but held steady at 0.12% for 30-day funds.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 20, 2009 - 12:00 PM ET #2

    Ive read and heard that the retail guy is loading up but hedge funds and pension funds havent yet.

    Gee I wonder why.  It wouldnt shock me one bit if they crush the market come Labor Day..
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    Ive read and heard that the retail guy is loading up but hedge funds and pension funds havent yet.

    Gee I wonder why.  It wouldnt shock me one bit if they crush the market come Labor Day..
     
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    Posted: Aug. 20, 2009 - 12:14 PM ET #3

    Well on my end and the Media companies that I cover, I've seen a solid amount of monies settling at the major Banks / Institutions, so some big names guys are buying. Victory Capital is one player atop the list that is loading up on the space. On the Hedger side, Citadel is kicking some major ass too.
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    Well on my end and the Media companies that I cover, I've seen a solid amount of monies settling at the major Banks / Institutions, so some big names guys are buying. Victory Capital is one player atop the list that is loading up on the space. On the Hedger side, Citadel is kicking some major ass too.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 20, 2009 - 12:34 PM ET #4

    I think it has been chase lately, lots of people sitting on hands then when the market didnt come back they were forced in because money in cash earns zippo and does not gain a return.

    I do agree that buyers are hitting every dip and mid-day reversals happen on down days..true signs of a bull market.

    The issue is that during summer a small pool of cash can move the markets easily. Ive seen this pattern so many times, a move up into summer like this is usually sold into after Labor Day.

    Should be interesting.
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    I think it has been chase lately, lots of people sitting on hands then when the market didnt come back they were forced in because money in cash earns zippo and does not gain a return.

    I do agree that buyers are hitting every dip and mid-day reversals happen on down days..true signs of a bull market.

    The issue is that during summer a small pool of cash can move the markets easily. Ive seen this pattern so many times, a move up into summer like this is usually sold into after Labor Day.

    Should be interesting.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 20, 2009 - 5:27 PM ET #5

    Yeah some of these Fund Managers are in a sense being forced to buy into these dips, since they have to explain to their bosses why in the world they didn't participate in the 40% runnup just seen. But I agree, it should be interesting come Labor Day.
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    Yeah some of these Fund Managers are in a sense being forced to buy into these dips, since they have to explain to their bosses why in the world they didn't participate in the 40% runnup just seen. But I agree, it should be interesting come Labor Day.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2009 - 12:28 AM ET #6

    I think gfinger's statement is bang on. "window dressing" should take some of the big percentage movers higher going into the end of the quarter. it will be "See, See WE own Las Vegas Sands and AIG and Bank of America. aren't WE smart" (although they bought them not at the bottom in March but near a possable top just like these mutual fund lemmings ALWAYS do)
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    I think gfinger's statement is bang on. "window dressing" should take some of the big percentage movers higher going into the end of the quarter. it will be "See, See WE own Las Vegas Sands and AIG and Bank of America. aren't WE smart" (although they bought them not at the bottom in March but near a possable top just like these mutual fund lemmings ALWAYS do)
     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2009 - 1:37 AM ET #7

    September could very well be a difficult month, if history is any indicator.

    a dead consumer, an overextended market, a (resumed) uptick in unemployment , big money trying to lock in gains..  All of this would seem to put lots of pressure  on the Market once full volume comes back in Sept.
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    September could very well be a difficult month, if history is any indicator.

    a dead consumer, an overextended market, a (resumed) uptick in unemployment , big money trying to lock in gains..  All of this would seem to put lots of pressure  on the Market once full volume comes back in Sept.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2009 - 6:11 AM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Ive read and heard that the retail guy is loading up but hedge funds and pension funds havent yet.

    Gee I wonder why.  It wouldnt shock me one bit if they crush the market come Labor Day..


    multiple hedgers have told me"our models are updside down and have been since june"

    i can name a few firms where the equity AUM has gone away or they've closed up shop

    gfinger...be very careful, this market is quite rigged up at this point and can collapse at a moments notice. are you sell side?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Ive read and heard that the retail guy is loading up but hedge funds and pension funds havent yet.

    Gee I wonder why.  It wouldnt shock me one bit if they crush the market come Labor Day..


    multiple hedgers have told me"our models are updside down and have been since june"

    i can name a few firms where the equity AUM has gone away or they've closed up shop

    gfinger...be very careful, this market is quite rigged up at this point and can collapse at a moments notice. are you sell side?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2009 - 10:02 AM ET #9

    I work on the buy side. Boutique shop in Chicago.
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    I work on the buy side. Boutique shop in Chicago.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2009 - 11:14 AM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by gfinger:

    I work on the buy side. Boutique shop in Chicago.


    So where the hell have you been? We can use any info out there.

    Glad you are posting now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gfinger:

    I work on the buy side. Boutique shop in Chicago.


    So where the hell have you been? We can use any info out there.

    Glad you are posting now.


     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2009 - 11:40 AM ET #11

    Haha. Cool, I will try to be more of a regular then. thnx
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    Haha. Cool, I will try to be more of a regular then. thnx
     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2009 - 11:50 AM ET #12

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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2009 - 1:09 PM ET #13

    Not selling all my winners yet.
     

    U.S. stocks rallied to new 2009 highs on Friday on positive comments from Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, data showing existing home sales rose for the fourth consecutive month and positive economic surveys in Europe, added to optimism the economy was on the mend. At an annual Fed conference in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, Bernanke gave his clearest signal yet that a recovery is at hand, though cautioned that it would be sluggish for a time. "After contracting sharply over the past year, economic activity appears to be leveling out, both in the United States and abroad, and the prospects for a return to growth in the near term appear good," Bernanke said in remarks prepared for delivery at the annual Fed conference. A bigger-than-expected jump in home sales also gave stocks a boost and helped send bonds lower. The National Association of Realtors said sales of existing homes rose 7.2 percent to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 5.24 million in July, from a pace of 4.89 million in June. It was the fourth straight monthly increase and the highest level of sales since August 2007. The rise in sales came amid a sharp decline in home prices. Meanwhile, Treasury prices tumbled, pushing yields sharply higher, as investors no longer needed the safety of government debt.

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    U.S. stocks rallied to new 2009 highs on Friday on positive comments from Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, data showing existing home sales rose for the fourth consecutive month and positive economic surveys in Europe, added to optimism the economy was on the mend. At an annual Fed conference in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, Bernanke gave his clearest signal yet that a recovery is at hand, though cautioned that it would be sluggish for a time. "After contracting sharply over the past year, economic activity appears to be leveling out, both in the United States and abroad, and the prospects for a return to growth in the near term appear good," Bernanke said in remarks prepared for delivery at the annual Fed conference. A bigger-than-expected jump in home sales also gave stocks a boost and helped send bonds lower. The National Association of Realtors said sales of existing homes rose 7.2 percent to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 5.24 million in July, from a pace of 4.89 million in June. It was the fourth straight monthly increase and the highest level of sales since August 2007. The rise in sales came amid a sharp decline in home prices. Meanwhile, Treasury prices tumbled, pushing yields sharply higher, as investors no longer needed the safety of government debt.

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