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    Posted: Aug. 25, 2009 - 10:28 AM ET #1

     I have always been fascinated by people who are rewarded by being incompetent. History is replete with them, and now we can add Ben to the list...is it perhaps the way of Washington?

     In any case, I tend to agree with this caustic dismissal of our newly renominated savior, published by John Hussman of the Hussman Funds www.hussmanfunds.com .





     

    “Our forecast is for moderate but positive growth going into next year. We think that by the spring, early next year, that as these credit problems resolve and, as we hope, the housing market begins to find a bottom, that the broader resiliency of the economy, which we are seeing in other areas outside of housing, will take control and will help the economy recover to a more reasonable growth pace.”

    Ben Bernanke, Federal Reserve Chairman

    On Friday, investors took great cheer in an optimistic statement by Ben Bernanke suggesting good prospects for economic growth ahead. We might be inclined to place a sliver of credibility in Chairman Bernanke's assessment – if not for the fact that the quote above wasn't from last week at all, but rather, hails back to November 8, 2007, just before the recent recession began. You might recall that the S&P 500 was pushing 1500 at the time. The implosion of the global credit markets was still just a slight rumble.

    As it happens, that was also the week our recession warning composite shifted clearly into negative territory, prompting the weekly comment Expecting A Recession, where I wrote “On Saturday, the consensus of economists surveyed by Blue Chip Economic Indicators indicated expectations that growth will be sluggish into next year, but that there will be no recession. Unfortunately, the economic consensus has never accurately anticipated a recession. For my part, the outlook has changed. I expect that a U.S. economic recession is immediately ahead.” That was followed the next week with Critical Point, which opened with a saying of Rudiger Dornbusch: “The crisis takes a much longer time coming than you think, and then it happens much faster than you would have thought.”

    A good economist thoughtfully recognizes “general equilibrium” – resources moved to one place must be taken from somewhere else. Securities or monetary liabilities, once issued, must be held by someone in the economy until they are retired (the failure to recognize this is the basis for the “cash on the sidelines” fallacy). Instead, Bernanke's economic research is a minefield of partial equilibrium analysis. Helicopter Ben is a lot like John Maynard Keynes, who wrote in his General Theory “If the Treasury were to fill old bottles with banknotes, bury them at suitable depths, and leave it to private enterprise on well-tried principles of laissez-faire to dig the notes up again, there need be no more unemployment.”

    Solving economic problems, to our Fed Chairman, is as easy as throwing money out of helicopters. Not surprisingly, throwing money out of helicopters has been the basic core of his strategy during this crisis. This does not involve complex thought about debt restructuring, moral hazard, incentives, equitable distribution of resources, or other factors. All it requires is the three second tape playing in Bernanke's head - "We let the banks fail in the Great Depression, and look what happened." And then the tape repeats. Never mind that the cause of the upheaval was not the failure of banks per se, but the disorganized Lehman-style failure of banks. The tape isn't long enough to encompass such nuances.

    Ben Bernanke (like Tim Geithner and his predecessor Hank Paulson), shows no hesitation in diverting the real resources of the American public to defend and compensate the bondholders of mismanaged financial companies who made reckless loans and who should have (and equally important, could have) been expected to write down principal or swap debt for equity as an alternative to receivership. This is not decisiveness. It is timidity and poor stewardship. Worse, the underlying problems are not healed - only band-aided temporarily by a flood of public money.

    Unfortunately, the resources used in the recent bailout were not just free money tossed out of a helicopter. Only a partial-equilibrium economist thinks that way. No, this was an allocation of trillions of dollars of real resources that could be spent improving access of poor families to health care, finding cures for life-changing diseases, providing better education, and reversing the crowding-out of productive private investment. A public servant willing to act this carelessly with the resources entrusted to him, and so strongly in defense of fellow bankers, frankly does not deserve the job. Most likely, we will face the same credit issues a few quarters from now, given that the lull in the adjustable-rate reset schedule is near its end. We continue to expect a fresh acceleration of credit losses as we enter 2010. It would be best if we faced these challenges with more thoughtful leadership.





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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
     I have always been fascinated by people who are rewarded by being incompetent. History is replete with them, and now we can add Ben to the list...is it perhaps the way of Washington?

     In any case, I tend to agree with this caustic dismissal of our newly renominated savior, published by John Hussman of the Hussman Funds www.hussmanfunds.com .





     

    “Our forecast is for moderate but positive growth going into next year. We think that by the spring, early next year, that as these credit problems resolve and, as we hope, the housing market begins to find a bottom, that the broader resiliency of the economy, which we are seeing in other areas outside of housing, will take control and will help the economy recover to a more reasonable growth pace.”

    Ben Bernanke, Federal Reserve Chairman

    On Friday, investors took great cheer in an optimistic statement by Ben Bernanke suggesting good prospects for economic growth ahead. We might be inclined to place a sliver of credibility in Chairman Bernanke's assessment – if not for the fact that the quote above wasn't from last week at all, but rather, hails back to November 8, 2007, just before the recent recession began. You might recall that the S&P 500 was pushing 1500 at the time. The implosion of the global credit markets was still just a slight rumble.

    As it happens, that was also the week our recession warning composite shifted clearly into negative territory, prompting the weekly comment Expecting A Recession, where I wrote “On Saturday, the consensus of economists surveyed by Blue Chip Economic Indicators indicated expectations that growth will be sluggish into next year, but that there will be no recession. Unfortunately, the economic consensus has never accurately anticipated a recession. For my part, the outlook has changed. I expect that a U.S. economic recession is immediately ahead.” That was followed the next week with Critical Point, which opened with a saying of Rudiger Dornbusch: “The crisis takes a much longer time coming than you think, and then it happens much faster than you would have thought.”

    A good economist thoughtfully recognizes “general equilibrium” – resources moved to one place must be taken from somewhere else. Securities or monetary liabilities, once issued, must be held by someone in the economy until they are retired (the failure to recognize this is the basis for the “cash on the sidelines” fallacy). Instead, Bernanke's economic research is a minefield of partial equilibrium analysis. Helicopter Ben is a lot like John Maynard Keynes, who wrote in his General Theory “If the Treasury were to fill old bottles with banknotes, bury them at suitable depths, and leave it to private enterprise on well-tried principles of laissez-faire to dig the notes up again, there need be no more unemployment.”

    Solving economic problems, to our Fed Chairman, is as easy as throwing money out of helicopters. Not surprisingly, throwing money out of helicopters has been the basic core of his strategy during this crisis. This does not involve complex thought about debt restructuring, moral hazard, incentives, equitable distribution of resources, or other factors. All it requires is the three second tape playing in Bernanke's head - "We let the banks fail in the Great Depression, and look what happened." And then the tape repeats. Never mind that the cause of the upheaval was not the failure of banks per se, but the disorganized Lehman-style failure of banks. The tape isn't long enough to encompass such nuances.

    Ben Bernanke (like Tim Geithner and his predecessor Hank Paulson), shows no hesitation in diverting the real resources of the American public to defend and compensate the bondholders of mismanaged financial companies who made reckless loans and who should have (and equally important, could have) been expected to write down principal or swap debt for equity as an alternative to receivership. This is not decisiveness. It is timidity and poor stewardship. Worse, the underlying problems are not healed - only band-aided temporarily by a flood of public money.

    Unfortunately, the resources used in the recent bailout were not just free money tossed out of a helicopter. Only a partial-equilibrium economist thinks that way. No, this was an allocation of trillions of dollars of real resources that could be spent improving access of poor families to health care, finding cures for life-changing diseases, providing better education, and reversing the crowding-out of productive private investment. A public servant willing to act this carelessly with the resources entrusted to him, and so strongly in defense of fellow bankers, frankly does not deserve the job. Most likely, we will face the same credit issues a few quarters from now, given that the lull in the adjustable-rate reset schedule is near its end. We continue to expect a fresh acceleration of credit losses as we enter 2010. It would be best if we faced these challenges with more thoughtful leadership.





     
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    Posted: Aug. 25, 2009 - 12:44 PM ET #2

    ref rooster010's thread in the Politics Forum....
     
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    ref rooster010's thread in the Politics Forum....
     
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    Posted: Aug. 25, 2009 - 11:11 PM ET #3

    Incompetent?  Call Alan Greenspan incompetent, but not Ben Bernanke.   Greenspan was instrumental in keeping interest rates too low for too long, feeding the borrowing bananza and the resulting financial credit crisis we're now cleaning up.

    Credit BB and his polices for averting another Great Depression.
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    Incompetent?  Call Alan Greenspan incompetent, but not Ben Bernanke.   Greenspan was instrumental in keeping interest rates too low for too long, feeding the borrowing bananza and the resulting financial credit crisis we're now cleaning up.

    Credit BB and his polices for averting another Great Depression.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 25, 2009 - 11:22 PM ET #4

    I guess he could be like Volcker or Arthur Burns, that would be much better.

    The more and more you research the Fed chair the more and more you find that they are influenced by the POTUS and congress.

    I dont envy anyone being head of the Federal Reserve.


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    I guess he could be like Volcker or Arthur Burns, that would be much better.

    The more and more you research the Fed chair the more and more you find that they are influenced by the POTUS and congress.

    I dont envy anyone being head of the Federal Reserve.


     
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    Posted: Aug. 31, 2009 - 6:12 AM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

    Incompetent?  Call Alan Greenspan incompetent, but not Ben Bernanke.   Greenspan was instrumental in keeping interest rates too low for too long, feeding the borrowing bananza and the resulting financial credit crisis we're now cleaning up.

    Credit BB and his polices for averting another Great Depression.


    BB was the head of the NY Fed for most of the early part of this decade and never once did he dissent from greenspans moves

    he is a keynesian through and through and thus an abject failure

    i'm amazed that someone can teach a philosophy for years that has been proven wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

    Incompetent?  Call Alan Greenspan incompetent, but not Ben Bernanke.   Greenspan was instrumental in keeping interest rates too low for too long, feeding the borrowing bananza and the resulting financial credit crisis we're now cleaning up.

    Credit BB and his polices for averting another Great Depression.


    BB was the head of the NY Fed for most of the early part of this decade and never once did he dissent from greenspans moves

    he is a keynesian through and through and thus an abject failure

    i'm amazed that someone can teach a philosophy for years that has been proven wrong
     
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    Posted: Aug. 31, 2009 - 8:59 AM ET #6

    was watching Cnn's "Your $$$$" this weekend and they replayed B S's "nothing to worry about, every things fine" Bud Light Penguin speech about the subprime meltdown on May 17, 2007......
     
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    BEN BERNANKE, FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIRMAN: We do not expect significant spillovers from the subprime market to the rest of the economy, or to the financial system.

    (END VIDEO CLIP)

    ROMANS: Oops!!! The depression expert credited with averting a second depression didn't see it coming and no one really saw it coming, but this is a guy who was 2007, in May, just like everyone else saying subprime mortgages, they're not going to be a problem for housing or for the rest of the economy. Do you think some sound bites like that are going to come up in this confirmation hearing?
     
    https://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0908/30/cnnitm.01.html
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    was watching Cnn's "Your $$$$" this weekend and they replayed B S's "nothing to worry about, every things fine" Bud Light Penguin speech about the subprime meltdown on May 17, 2007......
     
    BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

    BEN BERNANKE, FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIRMAN: We do not expect significant spillovers from the subprime market to the rest of the economy, or to the financial system.

    (END VIDEO CLIP)

    ROMANS: Oops!!! The depression expert credited with averting a second depression didn't see it coming and no one really saw it coming, but this is a guy who was 2007, in May, just like everyone else saying subprime mortgages, they're not going to be a problem for housing or for the rest of the economy. Do you think some sound bites like that are going to come up in this confirmation hearing?
     
    https://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0908/30/cnnitm.01.html
     
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    Posted: Aug. 31, 2009 - 10:55 AM ET #7

     Absolutely Rink. Rewarding this man is like making a hero of a nurse that slips some poison to a patient, and then "heroically" comes to the rescue when called to revive the victim.

     Volcker had stones the size of coconuts. (Note he is MIA with Obama, who needed him during the campaign but no doubt found him an irritatingly honest aft the election).

     Plenty of jobs are tough. He has it cushy compared to Leon Pannetta..


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     Absolutely Rink. Rewarding this man is like making a hero of a nurse that slips some poison to a patient, and then "heroically" comes to the rescue when called to revive the victim.

     Volcker had stones the size of coconuts. (Note he is MIA with Obama, who needed him during the campaign but no doubt found him an irritatingly honest aft the election).

     Plenty of jobs are tough. He has it cushy compared to Leon Pannetta..


     
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    Posted: Aug. 31, 2009 - 11:34 AM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:



    BB was the head of the NY Fed for most of the early part of this decade and never once did he dissent from greenspans moves

    he is a keynesian through and through and thus an abject failure

    i'm amazed that someone can teach a philosophy for years that has been proven wrong


    That's the problem with economics--there does not exist a single, all-inclusive theory out there that governs the dynamism of all the micro decisions that drive an economy.  It's called the "dismal science" for a reason--that is, there's no corollary that says 2+2 = 4.  Sometimes it equals 20 and sometimes it equals -159.

    BB has no doubt made some mistakes as head of the NY Fed and as Chairman. And there's no doubt that his policies are influenced by the POTUS and Congress, to an extent.

    However, to suggest that his was fully complicit with Greenspan's keep-the-party-going policies is an extreme reach. It's one of Karl Denninger's kicking and screaming points. How does anyone know how he would have done things differently had he been Chairman of the Fed at that time. Sure, the meeting minutes might not show dissent, but showing dissent would be like an assistant coach coming out in the midst of a record-breaking season and openly, defiantly challenging the head coach and the rest of the front office.

    I simply don't agree with it. Like I've said in this space before, Karl Denninger is a smart, smart guy, but he's an extremist.  He comes across as if he's bitter that someone hasn't offered him the Fed Chairman's seat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:



    BB was the head of the NY Fed for most of the early part of this decade and never once did he dissent from greenspans moves

    he is a keynesian through and through and thus an abject failure

    i'm amazed that someone can teach a philosophy for years that has been proven wrong


    That's the problem with economics--there does not exist a single, all-inclusive theory out there that governs the dynamism of all the micro decisions that drive an economy.  It's called the "dismal science" for a reason--that is, there's no corollary that says 2+2 = 4.  Sometimes it equals 20 and sometimes it equals -159.

    BB has no doubt made some mistakes as head of the NY Fed and as Chairman. And there's no doubt that his policies are influenced by the POTUS and Congress, to an extent.

    However, to suggest that his was fully complicit with Greenspan's keep-the-party-going policies is an extreme reach. It's one of Karl Denninger's kicking and screaming points. How does anyone know how he would have done things differently had he been Chairman of the Fed at that time. Sure, the meeting minutes might not show dissent, but showing dissent would be like an assistant coach coming out in the midst of a record-breaking season and openly, defiantly challenging the head coach and the rest of the front office.

    I simply don't agree with it. Like I've said in this space before, Karl Denninger is a smart, smart guy, but he's an extremist.  He comes across as if he's bitter that someone hasn't offered him the Fed Chairman's seat.
     
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    PistolPete,

    I agree, it is a known fact that Greenspam forced all his soldiers in line and BB did what he was told as a UNIFIED FED with Greenspam in control.

    I also agree that POTUS has HUGE control over the FED and very similarly to a congressman, you do what you are told and what helps you keep your job.

    Look at the history of the FED chair, if you dont go along with the politician in office, your stay is very very short. There is plenty that goes on behind doors which we will never know or understand regarding why decisions are made and what ultimately forms policy.
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    PistolPete,

    I agree, it is a known fact that Greenspam forced all his soldiers in line and BB did what he was told as a UNIFIED FED with Greenspam in control.

    I also agree that POTUS has HUGE control over the FED and very similarly to a congressman, you do what you are told and what helps you keep your job.

    Look at the history of the FED chair, if you dont go along with the politician in office, your stay is very very short. There is plenty that goes on behind doors which we will never know or understand regarding why decisions are made and what ultimately forms policy.
     
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     Refusing to do something you know to be detrimental to the country might be called "integrity"  but given that has been out of style for two or three decades, I do suppose it is too much to expect of the Fed Chair.

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     Refusing to do something you know to be detrimental to the country might be called "integrity"  but given that has been out of style for two or three decades, I do suppose it is too much to expect of the Fed Chair.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vermeer:


     Refusing to do something you know to be detrimental to the country might be called "integrity"  but given that has been out of style for two or three decades, I do suppose it is too much to expect of the Fed Chair.



    The FED chair is appointed by the POTUS, and in reviewing FED history, when the chair goes against the opinion of the POTUS the stay is SHORT.

    I think we blame the FED when in reality the FED does what the administration and the treasury dictates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vermeer:


     Refusing to do something you know to be detrimental to the country might be called "integrity"  but given that has been out of style for two or three decades, I do suppose it is too much to expect of the Fed Chair.



    The FED chair is appointed by the POTUS, and in reviewing FED history, when the chair goes against the opinion of the POTUS the stay is SHORT.

    I think we blame the FED when in reality the FED does what the administration and the treasury dictates.
     
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     Wall,

    Every job in Washington is political.Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, CIA, any and everyone connected to any administration is subject to political pressure. That is stipulated.So what? It does not prohibit a Fed Chair from refusing to do any president's bidding (once he or she is confirmed)..and while this country's mediocrities refuse to ever admit error and resign, even that option is open to anyone.

     


     





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     Wall,

    Every job in Washington is political.Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, CIA, any and everyone connected to any administration is subject to political pressure. That is stipulated.So what? It does not prohibit a Fed Chair from refusing to do any president's bidding (once he or she is confirmed)..and while this country's mediocrities refuse to ever admit error and resign, even that option is open to anyone.

     


     





     
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    Koaj, BB was never head of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.     I think you are confusing him with now Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner.

    In any event, I'm not so concerned about BB's lack of foresight in seeing the spillover effect from subprime to the greater overall economy, as RinkRat pointed out.   Very few, if any, understood the systemic risks and all the convoluted bets these banks were undertaking.  As I've said in other posts, this is an area that clearly got out of hand under Greenspan.

    I credit BB, because once we were staring into the financial abyss nearly one year ago in Sept, he took necessary actions.




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    Koaj, BB was never head of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.     I think you are confusing him with now Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner.

    In any event, I'm not so concerned about BB's lack of foresight in seeing the spillover effect from subprime to the greater overall economy, as RinkRat pointed out.   Very few, if any, understood the systemic risks and all the convoluted bets these banks were undertaking.  As I've said in other posts, this is an area that clearly got out of hand under Greenspan.

    I credit BB, because once we were staring into the financial abyss nearly one year ago in Sept, he took necessary actions.




     
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    I'm not so concerned about BB's lack of foresight in seeing the spillover effect from subprime to the greater overall economy, as RinkRat pointed out.   Very few, if any, understood the systemic risks and all the convoluted bets these banks were undertaking

      Hmmmm....that "lack of foresight"  would normally cost people their jobs...oh wait, it did, millions of them!!! Just not him.


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    I'm not so concerned about BB's lack of foresight in seeing the spillover effect from subprime to the greater overall economy, as RinkRat pointed out.   Very few, if any, understood the systemic risks and all the convoluted bets these banks were undertaking

      Hmmmm....that "lack of foresight"  would normally cost people their jobs...oh wait, it did, millions of them!!! Just not him.


     
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    Vermeer,

    The FED isnt a real regulatory body, there is no regulatory body which can or could go INSIDE a company, even deeper than an internal auditor and catch the severity of the leverage banks were acquiring, or the effects of the leverage on the system as a whole.

    Just because rates were LOW does not equate to the private sector (banks/financial firms) whoring as they did.



    Markets falling a little..amazing.
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    Vermeer,

    The FED isnt a real regulatory body, there is no regulatory body which can or could go INSIDE a company, even deeper than an internal auditor and catch the severity of the leverage banks were acquiring, or the effects of the leverage on the system as a whole.

    Just because rates were LOW does not equate to the private sector (banks/financial firms) whoring as they did.



    Markets falling a little..amazing.
     
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    bernanke did a good job of stabilizing the economy.. there's always goin to be talk of what he could've done and what not, but the fact remains that the economy is in a better shape than it was in the past.  he helped correct a problem he didn't create.
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    bernanke did a good job of stabilizing the economy.. there's always goin to be talk of what he could've done and what not, but the fact remains that the economy is in a better shape than it was in the past.  he helped correct a problem he didn't create.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoopsfan90:

    bernanke did a good job of stabilizing the economy.. there's always goin to be talk of what he could've done and what not, but the fact remains that the economy is in a better shape than it was in the past.  he helped correct a problem he didn't create.


    are you serious?

    ben's answer was to print money from this air and buy US Treasuries and mortgage backed securities

    to the point that geithner and hillary have to make regular trips to beijing to kiss the pinkie of the Chinese

    wait until QE ends in october and then we'll revisit. bernanke did nothing more than kick the can for a few years. rates should have been hiked immediately, not lowered. low rates and loose credit was the cause of all of this and now he thinks its the solution

    cant fix a debt problem by borrowing more
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoopsfan90:

    bernanke did a good job of stabilizing the economy.. there's always goin to be talk of what he could've done and what not, but the fact remains that the economy is in a better shape than it was in the past.  he helped correct a problem he didn't create.


    are you serious?

    ben's answer was to print money from this air and buy US Treasuries and mortgage backed securities

    to the point that geithner and hillary have to make regular trips to beijing to kiss the pinkie of the Chinese

    wait until QE ends in october and then we'll revisit. bernanke did nothing more than kick the can for a few years. rates should have been hiked immediately, not lowered. low rates and loose credit was the cause of all of this and now he thinks its the solution

    cant fix a debt problem by borrowing more
     
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    Vermeer is, as usual, right.  Bernanke is an incompetent fool.
     
    WSC----Hope all is good with you, man.  Let's face it-----the job of the FED is to maintain a stable currency (not police the stock market, a la Elmer Fudd Alan Greenspan cause he thinks the price of GE is too high or bail out idiots for poor business gambles------please tell me how Scholar Ben has negotiated this job with his utterly deplorable bailout packages and warp drive printing press operations?
     
    Bernanke--------an incompetent fool.  Case closed.
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    Vermeer is, as usual, right.  Bernanke is an incompetent fool.
     
    WSC----Hope all is good with you, man.  Let's face it-----the job of the FED is to maintain a stable currency (not police the stock market, a la Elmer Fudd Alan Greenspan cause he thinks the price of GE is too high or bail out idiots for poor business gambles------please tell me how Scholar Ben has negotiated this job with his utterly deplorable bailout packages and warp drive printing press operations?
     
    Bernanke--------an incompetent fool.  Case closed.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoopsfan90:

    bernanke did a good job of stabilizing the economy.. there's always goin to be talk of what he could've done and what not, but the fact remains that the economy is in a better shape than it was in the past.  he helped correct a problem he didn't create.

    No offense, man, but could you tell me where you are getting your drugs? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoopsfan90:

    bernanke did a good job of stabilizing the economy.. there's always goin to be talk of what he could've done and what not, but the fact remains that the economy is in a better shape than it was in the past.  he helped correct a problem he didn't create.

    No offense, man, but could you tell me where you are getting your drugs? 

     
     
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    Damn right, Obama just didn't want to hear from Volcker----who tells it like it is.
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    Damn right, Obama just didn't want to hear from Volcker----who tells it like it is.
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