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    Why is the NHL so unpopular/irrelevant?

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    Slobbasaurus
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    Posted: Apr. 6, 2016 - 12:40 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by BornLucky:

    Demographics: The average hockey fan is more educated and earns more money than foot,base, or basket fans.

    When played without thuggery it is the most challenging and beautiful sport. It is as beautiful as any ballet I have attended.

    Low talent teams can narrow the advantage by resorting to thuggery. So they do.

    80% of fans are watching for the hockey. 20% are watching for the collisions/fights. The 20% are the most rabid fans. How does the league transition to the great sport hockey could be without alienating their most rabid fans. They don't know. My guess would be double the minutes on penalties.

    I think that is the fundamental problem.

    After that is the league and networks haven't figured out how to present the game. Do they give long range shots showing the overall strategy and adjustment of offense and defense?Do they stick with close ups showing player technique and collisions? They don't know. My suggestion: a split screen with both. Why not? People have TV's bigger than their car windshields. Let the fan focus on what they want.

    Lastly, management that is not up to the task. The shootout to resolve game is the one solution guaranteed to irritate everyone. It is a great all star game gimmick. It sucks as a way to decide the winner of a game. After to OT they should have another 5 minutes with 4 on 4, then 3 on 3 if needed. The game becomes wilder and wilder as it goes on, not duller.

    2 trivia notes:
    Hockey is the only sport played a faster than humans can move. (You can skate faster than you can run)
    Hockey is the only sport that allows you to bring a weapon (their sticks) in to play. (If you carry the bat to 1st, you are out.)

    Obviously, I'm talking about major sport, not polo,la cross, or fencing. 

    I completely agree with the shootout.  It has destroyed the regular season and another rule change that's killing the sport.  This has a big effect on the playoffs come mid-season.  A lot of teams play for a tie if they're in good standing.  

    It should be zero points awarded if you lose in OT and 1 point for both teams if it's a draw.  A lot of people love the shoot-out but I think it's a horrible way to determine the outcome of a game.  

    Someone said it earlier.  PHUCK GARY BETTMAN

    NJ Devils fans gave him a rice reception when they retired #30 earlier this season.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by BornLucky:

    Demographics: The average hockey fan is more educated and earns more money than foot,base, or basket fans.

    When played without thuggery it is the most challenging and beautiful sport. It is as beautiful as any ballet I have attended.

    Low talent teams can narrow the advantage by resorting to thuggery. So they do.

    80% of fans are watching for the hockey. 20% are watching for the collisions/fights. The 20% are the most rabid fans. How does the league transition to the great sport hockey could be without alienating their most rabid fans. They don't know. My guess would be double the minutes on penalties.

    I think that is the fundamental problem.

    After that is the league and networks haven't figured out how to present the game. Do they give long range shots showing the overall strategy and adjustment of offense and defense?Do they stick with close ups showing player technique and collisions? They don't know. My suggestion: a split screen with both. Why not? People have TV's bigger than their car windshields. Let the fan focus on what they want.

    Lastly, management that is not up to the task. The shootout to resolve game is the one solution guaranteed to irritate everyone. It is a great all star game gimmick. It sucks as a way to decide the winner of a game. After to OT they should have another 5 minutes with 4 on 4, then 3 on 3 if needed. The game becomes wilder and wilder as it goes on, not duller.

    2 trivia notes:
    Hockey is the only sport played a faster than humans can move. (You can skate faster than you can run)
    Hockey is the only sport that allows you to bring a weapon (their sticks) in to play. (If you carry the bat to 1st, you are out.)

    Obviously, I'm talking about major sport, not polo,la cross, or fencing. 

    I completely agree with the shootout.  It has destroyed the regular season and another rule change that's killing the sport.  This has a big effect on the playoffs come mid-season.  A lot of teams play for a tie if they're in good standing.  

    It should be zero points awarded if you lose in OT and 1 point for both teams if it's a draw.  A lot of people love the shoot-out but I think it's a horrible way to determine the outcome of a game.  

    Someone said it earlier.  PHUCK GARY BETTMAN

    NJ Devils fans gave him a rice reception when they retired #30 earlier this season.  
     
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2016 - 10:16 PM ET #27

    1-NHL panders to the US in hopes of tv dollars, so it makes it seem weak-desperate.
    2- It's a mickey mouse league. It is constantly tinkering with the rules, which makes them look unsure.
    3-Who you are will matter on how many games you will get suspended for if youre caught doing something dirty (lack of integrity)

    Im in my mid 40s and throughout all my life, the people's perception of the NHL hasn't evolved at all. 
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    1-NHL panders to the US in hopes of tv dollars, so it makes it seem weak-desperate.
    2- It's a mickey mouse league. It is constantly tinkering with the rules, which makes them look unsure.
    3-Who you are will matter on how many games you will get suspended for if youre caught doing something dirty (lack of integrity)

    Im in my mid 40s and throughout all my life, the people's perception of the NHL hasn't evolved at all. 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 10, 2016 - 12:41 PM ET #28

    i gotta toss my 2 cents here...

    hockey.. if you grew up playing it you love it. the stereotype is true though most african americans never played the sport. it's kinda like college football fans vs nfl fans.. if you went to college and went to your colleges games you feel part of the program.. they are "your team". same as hockey for me.. grew up all my life rooting for the same team. so up here "we" nhl fans claim that its our team. hockey is the most expensive game to play. first you need ice. not easy in lower us. in canadian winters we played hockey all day all night as kids on ponds and backyards untill we couldn't see the puck anymore or we lost all the pucks in the snow. building back yard rinks and watching saturday night hockey on cbc every weekend is what life was all about for me as a kid/teenager. hockey in my opinion is dying though. bettman is a person. the problem is trying to make it a young kids game and he is trying to make it more exciting with the shootout. it's the stupidest thing ever. it was in the olympics first then over to the nhl. the most exciting time in sports is playoff overtime hockey. games can last forever. there have been games go 4 overtime periods. for my opinions on americans liking hockey.. minnesota is insane. detroit claims to be hockeytown usa.. no chance minnesota is rediclious for hockey. also there is strategy in hockey. google the trap. its boring as hell but won nj a cup. also teams do set plays kinda like the nba.. white board style. there is alot of situational strategy. penalty kill, power plays, 4-4. also nhl allows you to beat the garbage outta someone you are mad at. ever see the big huge dugout clearings in baseball. nothing ever happens. bunch of cry babies if you ask me. or nba with a slap or 2. i know im all over the place with this rant..lol.. Also nhl tried the "glow puck" for fox tv to try and get people into hockey because the biggest complaint at the time was the puck is hard to follow. alot of the time you just know where it is going to be passed or shot. it comes from knowing basic strategy and the flow of the game. i love hockey but  its dying out. no big names right now. golden boy sidney crosby is always hurt. ok im done. thanks for reading.  
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    i gotta toss my 2 cents here...

    hockey.. if you grew up playing it you love it. the stereotype is true though most african americans never played the sport. it's kinda like college football fans vs nfl fans.. if you went to college and went to your colleges games you feel part of the program.. they are "your team". same as hockey for me.. grew up all my life rooting for the same team. so up here "we" nhl fans claim that its our team. hockey is the most expensive game to play. first you need ice. not easy in lower us. in canadian winters we played hockey all day all night as kids on ponds and backyards untill we couldn't see the puck anymore or we lost all the pucks in the snow. building back yard rinks and watching saturday night hockey on cbc every weekend is what life was all about for me as a kid/teenager. hockey in my opinion is dying though. bettman is a person. the problem is trying to make it a young kids game and he is trying to make it more exciting with the shootout. it's the stupidest thing ever. it was in the olympics first then over to the nhl. the most exciting time in sports is playoff overtime hockey. games can last forever. there have been games go 4 overtime periods. for my opinions on americans liking hockey.. minnesota is insane. detroit claims to be hockeytown usa.. no chance minnesota is rediclious for hockey. also there is strategy in hockey. google the trap. its boring as hell but won nj a cup. also teams do set plays kinda like the nba.. white board style. there is alot of situational strategy. penalty kill, power plays, 4-4. also nhl allows you to beat the garbage outta someone you are mad at. ever see the big huge dugout clearings in baseball. nothing ever happens. bunch of cry babies if you ask me. or nba with a slap or 2. i know im all over the place with this rant..lol.. Also nhl tried the "glow puck" for fox tv to try and get people into hockey because the biggest complaint at the time was the puck is hard to follow. alot of the time you just know where it is going to be passed or shot. it comes from knowing basic strategy and the flow of the game. i love hockey but  its dying out. no big names right now. golden boy sidney crosby is always hurt. ok im done. thanks for reading.  
     
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    Posted: Apr. 10, 2016 - 7:21 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by smalltimer:

    i gotta toss my 2 cents here...

    hockey.. if you grew up playing it you love it. the stereotype is true though most african americans never played the sport. it's kinda like college football fans vs nfl fans.. if you went to college and went to your colleges games you feel part of the program.. they are "your team". same as hockey for me.. grew up all my life rooting for the same team. so up here "we" nhl fans claim that its our team. hockey is the most expensive game to play. first you need ice. not easy in lower us. in canadian winters we played hockey all day all night as kids on ponds and backyards untill we couldn't see the puck anymore or we lost all the pucks in the snow. building back yard rinks and watching saturday night hockey on cbc every weekend is what life was all about for me as a kid/teenager. hockey in my opinion is dying though. bettman is a person. the problem is trying to make it a young kids game and he is trying to make it more exciting with the shootout. it's the stupidest thing ever. it was in the olympics first then over to the nhl. the most exciting time in sports is playoff overtime hockey. games can last forever. there have been games go 4 overtime periods. for my opinions on americans liking hockey.. minnesota is insane. detroit claims to be hockeytown usa.. no chance minnesota is rediclious for hockey. also there is strategy in hockey. google the trap. its boring as hell but won nj a cup. also teams do set plays kinda like the nba.. white board style. there is alot of situational strategy. penalty kill, power plays, 4-4. also nhl allows you to beat the garbage outta someone you are mad at. ever see the big huge dugout clearings in baseball. nothing ever happens. bunch of cry babies if you ask me. or nba with a slap or 2. i know im all over the place with this rant..lol.. Also nhl tried the "glow puck" for fox tv to try and get people into hockey because the biggest complaint at the time was the puck is hard to follow. alot of the time you just know where it is going to be passed or shot. it comes from knowing basic strategy and the flow of the game. i love hockey but  its dying out. no big names right now. golden boy sidney crosby is always hurt. ok im done. thanks for reading.  

    We pretty much agree on everything here.  

    Well said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smalltimer:

    i gotta toss my 2 cents here...

    hockey.. if you grew up playing it you love it. the stereotype is true though most african americans never played the sport. it's kinda like college football fans vs nfl fans.. if you went to college and went to your colleges games you feel part of the program.. they are "your team". same as hockey for me.. grew up all my life rooting for the same team. so up here "we" nhl fans claim that its our team. hockey is the most expensive game to play. first you need ice. not easy in lower us. in canadian winters we played hockey all day all night as kids on ponds and backyards untill we couldn't see the puck anymore or we lost all the pucks in the snow. building back yard rinks and watching saturday night hockey on cbc every weekend is what life was all about for me as a kid/teenager. hockey in my opinion is dying though. bettman is a person. the problem is trying to make it a young kids game and he is trying to make it more exciting with the shootout. it's the stupidest thing ever. it was in the olympics first then over to the nhl. the most exciting time in sports is playoff overtime hockey. games can last forever. there have been games go 4 overtime periods. for my opinions on americans liking hockey.. minnesota is insane. detroit claims to be hockeytown usa.. no chance minnesota is rediclious for hockey. also there is strategy in hockey. google the trap. its boring as hell but won nj a cup. also teams do set plays kinda like the nba.. white board style. there is alot of situational strategy. penalty kill, power plays, 4-4. also nhl allows you to beat the garbage outta someone you are mad at. ever see the big huge dugout clearings in baseball. nothing ever happens. bunch of cry babies if you ask me. or nba with a slap or 2. i know im all over the place with this rant..lol.. Also nhl tried the "glow puck" for fox tv to try and get people into hockey because the biggest complaint at the time was the puck is hard to follow. alot of the time you just know where it is going to be passed or shot. it comes from knowing basic strategy and the flow of the game. i love hockey but  its dying out. no big names right now. golden boy sidney crosby is always hurt. ok im done. thanks for reading.  

    We pretty much agree on everything here.  

    Well said.
     
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    an interesting thread; although the majority of NHL fans will vehemently disagree with the unpopular/irrelevant side of debate. in comparison to the NBA, it's quite clear, the TV contracts dominate the sport, both in financial, and marketing value; traditionally the NBA Finals has nothing on the NHL Stanley Cup, and its worldwide appeal, except...humongous TV financial ability, that the NHL lacks in the U.S.A but thrives in Canada. please take note to a very interesting stat, there are 30 teams both in the NHL, and the NBA, both play 82 games, last season, the NHL's combined 30 team 'live' gate attendance> 10,642,259 (including the playoffs) NBA> 11,428,761 (also including the playoffs) you have a difference of a mere 786,502..you can also note that the NHL averages 11,612 season ticket holders per team, in comparison to 10,304 season ticket holders to the NBA per team.

    I think this thread should have related to MLS, surely not the NHL, a sport, and a league that consistently grows in popularity; did anyone ever conceive you would see a franchise in Nashville TN? Miami? Tampa? Atlanta? Phoenix? unpopular?  irrelevant? not at all...A league that has struggled without a significant and binding TV contract? absolutely, (bring a Direct TV contract to the NHL forefront and you'll see popularity)

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    an interesting thread; although the majority of NHL fans will vehemently disagree with the unpopular/irrelevant side of debate. in comparison to the NBA, it's quite clear, the TV contracts dominate the sport, both in financial, and marketing value; traditionally the NBA Finals has nothing on the NHL Stanley Cup, and its worldwide appeal, except...humongous TV financial ability, that the NHL lacks in the U.S.A but thrives in Canada. please take note to a very interesting stat, there are 30 teams both in the NHL, and the NBA, both play 82 games, last season, the NHL's combined 30 team 'live' gate attendance> 10,642,259 (including the playoffs) NBA> 11,428,761 (also including the playoffs) you have a difference of a mere 786,502..you can also note that the NHL averages 11,612 season ticket holders per team, in comparison to 10,304 season ticket holders to the NBA per team.

    I think this thread should have related to MLS, surely not the NHL, a sport, and a league that consistently grows in popularity; did anyone ever conceive you would see a franchise in Nashville TN? Miami? Tampa? Atlanta? Phoenix? unpopular?  irrelevant? not at all...A league that has struggled without a significant and binding TV contract? absolutely, (bring a Direct TV contract to the NHL forefront and you'll see popularity)

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    an interesting thread; although the majority of NHL fans will vehemently disagree with the unpopular/irrelevant side of debate. in comparison to the NBA, it's quite clear, the TV contracts dominate the sport, both in financial, and marketing value; traditionally the NBA Finals has nothing on the NHL Stanley Cup, and its worldwide appeal, except...humongous TV financial ability, that the NHL lacks in the U.S.A but thrives in Canada. please take note to a very interesting stat, there are 30 teams both in the NHL, and the NBA, both play 82 games, last season, the NHL's combined 30 team 'live' gate attendance> 10,642,259 (including the playoffs) NBA> 11,428,761 (also including the playoffs) you have a difference of a mere 786,502..you can also note that the NHL averages 11,612 season ticket holders per team, in comparison to 10,304 season ticket holders to the NBA per team.

    I think this thread should have related to MLS, surely not the NHL, a sport, and a league that consistently grows in popularity; did anyone ever conceive you would see a franchise in Nashville TN? Miami? Tampa? Atlanta? Phoenix? unpopular?  irrelevant? not at all...A league that has struggled without a significant and binding TV contract? absolutely, (bring a Direct TV contract to the NHL forefront and you'll see popularity)


    I was unaware of this.  Thanks for sharing these statistics
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    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    an interesting thread; although the majority of NHL fans will vehemently disagree with the unpopular/irrelevant side of debate. in comparison to the NBA, it's quite clear, the TV contracts dominate the sport, both in financial, and marketing value; traditionally the NBA Finals has nothing on the NHL Stanley Cup, and its worldwide appeal, except...humongous TV financial ability, that the NHL lacks in the U.S.A but thrives in Canada. please take note to a very interesting stat, there are 30 teams both in the NHL, and the NBA, both play 82 games, last season, the NHL's combined 30 team 'live' gate attendance> 10,642,259 (including the playoffs) NBA> 11,428,761 (also including the playoffs) you have a difference of a mere 786,502..you can also note that the NHL averages 11,612 season ticket holders per team, in comparison to 10,304 season ticket holders to the NBA per team.

    I think this thread should have related to MLS, surely not the NHL, a sport, and a league that consistently grows in popularity; did anyone ever conceive you would see a franchise in Nashville TN? Miami? Tampa? Atlanta? Phoenix? unpopular?  irrelevant? not at all...A league that has struggled without a significant and binding TV contract? absolutely, (bring a Direct TV contract to the NHL forefront and you'll see popularity)


    I was unaware of this.  Thanks for sharing these statistics
     
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    Some valid reasons for sure.
    Most notably that not everyone has played. It's not something we're familiar with. Additionally the game is just so international. Half the names are too difficult to pronounce. There are less and less North American players these days. Two decades ago we had the Great One, Messier, Lindross, Lemiuex, etc., 
    Nowadays you got a bunch of Swedes, Finns, Czechs, Russians, you just can't seem to follow. Expansion diluted talent. 
    However, with winning comes the fans. I've been to 6 games this year.
    Currently in Dallas, and will be going to game 1 tomorrow night vs the Wild. Just cuz.
    So, it's not a dead game and doesn't need to or surpass the other major sports.

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    Some valid reasons for sure.
    Most notably that not everyone has played. It's not something we're familiar with. Additionally the game is just so international. Half the names are too difficult to pronounce. There are less and less North American players these days. Two decades ago we had the Great One, Messier, Lindross, Lemiuex, etc., 
    Nowadays you got a bunch of Swedes, Finns, Czechs, Russians, you just can't seem to follow. Expansion diluted talent. 
    However, with winning comes the fans. I've been to 6 games this year.
    Currently in Dallas, and will be going to game 1 tomorrow night vs the Wild. Just cuz.
    So, it's not a dead game and doesn't need to or surpass the other major sports.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 27, 2016 - 11:47 PM ET #33

    hockey has a lot of luck in it. you can watch a game with 3 overtimes in playoffs and most times its decided by fluky goals .off skates elbows pucks bouncing off bodies into the net.it really sucks compared to a strategy based sport like NFL. the people watching it have no idea on skill and strategy they just wanna see a puck in the net and get excited over it. lol
    listen to analysts they just ramble on and on about plays .but the fact is the puck jumps all over the place and it dictates what the outcome is most of the time.
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    hockey has a lot of luck in it. you can watch a game with 3 overtimes in playoffs and most times its decided by fluky goals .off skates elbows pucks bouncing off bodies into the net.it really sucks compared to a strategy based sport like NFL. the people watching it have no idea on skill and strategy they just wanna see a puck in the net and get excited over it. lol
    listen to analysts they just ramble on and on about plays .but the fact is the puck jumps all over the place and it dictates what the outcome is most of the time.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 28, 2016 - 8:32 AM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by tattooyou:

    hockey has a lot of luck in it. you can watch a game with 3 overtimes in playoffs and most times its decided by fluky goals .off skates elbows pucks bouncing off bodies into the net.it really sucks compared to a strategy based sport like NFL. the people watching it have no idea on skill and strategy they just wanna see a puck in the net and get excited over it. lol
    listen to analysts they just ramble on and on about plays .but the fact is the puck jumps all over the place and it dictates what the outcome is most of the time.


    Spoken like someone who has never padded up and played a shift in his life.  

    This type of ignorance of the sport just solidifies the points I was making 6 months ago. 

    There is a little truth to this, but lacking strategy?  Come on.  Don't be so naive because you never played.  It's too rough, fast and expensive for most.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by tattooyou:

    hockey has a lot of luck in it. you can watch a game with 3 overtimes in playoffs and most times its decided by fluky goals .off skates elbows pucks bouncing off bodies into the net.it really sucks compared to a strategy based sport like NFL. the people watching it have no idea on skill and strategy they just wanna see a puck in the net and get excited over it. lol
    listen to analysts they just ramble on and on about plays .but the fact is the puck jumps all over the place and it dictates what the outcome is most of the time.


    Spoken like someone who has never padded up and played a shift in his life.  

    This type of ignorance of the sport just solidifies the points I was making 6 months ago. 

    There is a little truth to this, but lacking strategy?  Come on.  Don't be so naive because you never played.  It's too rough, fast and expensive for most.  
     
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    Posted: Oct. 28, 2016 - 10:14 PM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by mbialowas:

    A lot of black people in America don't know or care about hockey because they don't play it 



    maybe true in the US of A BUT their are a number of black "stars" playing in the NHL now days although most are from either Canada or Northern European countries. any, like others have said, the COST of participating in American youth hockey is HIGH. about the ONLY areas where you get wide spread youth league play is Minnesota, Michigan and New England

    as far as TV coverage, ESPN could care "fukk all" about the NHL because they have the other three "major" sports BUT NBC Sports does an excellent job of covering the NHL. MUCH better than ESPN ever did
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbialowas:

    A lot of black people in America don't know or care about hockey because they don't play it 



    maybe true in the US of A BUT their are a number of black "stars" playing in the NHL now days although most are from either Canada or Northern European countries. any, like others have said, the COST of participating in American youth hockey is HIGH. about the ONLY areas where you get wide spread youth league play is Minnesota, Michigan and New England

    as far as TV coverage, ESPN could care "fukk all" about the NHL because they have the other three "major" sports BUT NBC Sports does an excellent job of covering the NHL. MUCH better than ESPN ever did
     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2016 - 12:07 AM ET #36

    Hockey and soccer my be fun to play but it is a complete bore to watch both. These are facts.
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    Hockey and soccer my be fun to play but it is a complete bore to watch both. These are facts.
     
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    I think I can understand how someone who has never played the game can't get into it.  I'm Canadian born and raised in arenas.  Leafs are playing the Habs tonight and I'll be PVRing it watching it after college football ends.  Hockey just isn't a good sport to bet on IMO.  

    For those who have never played you will just never understand the rush of being on the ice in a high intensity game.  It is so much fun and such a great workout. It is a hard sport to pickup if you don't start when you are really young.  Nobody wants to start playing hockey when they are 12, can barely skate and look foolish in front of all their other hockey friends.  

    As others have mentioned it is very very expensive as well and really only affordable to middle upper class and upper class household incomes.  My son is 5 and in his first year of hockey.  His registration was $600 for 1 practice and 1 game a week and I probably spent another $400 on his equipment which is cheap because he is so young and doesn't need high quality equipment.  If your kid is good and wants to play on competitive travel teams  spending $5,000-10,000 a year depending on age is the norm.  I have another son who is 3 who I'm just teaching how to skate who will also be playing in 2 years.  I'm also on the ice twice a week myself playing 1 night in a men's league and 1 night in a shinny game.  I probably spend $1,000-1,500 a year on myself playing.  
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    I think I can understand how someone who has never played the game can't get into it.  I'm Canadian born and raised in arenas.  Leafs are playing the Habs tonight and I'll be PVRing it watching it after college football ends.  Hockey just isn't a good sport to bet on IMO.  

    For those who have never played you will just never understand the rush of being on the ice in a high intensity game.  It is so much fun and such a great workout. It is a hard sport to pickup if you don't start when you are really young.  Nobody wants to start playing hockey when they are 12, can barely skate and look foolish in front of all their other hockey friends.  

    As others have mentioned it is very very expensive as well and really only affordable to middle upper class and upper class household incomes.  My son is 5 and in his first year of hockey.  His registration was $600 for 1 practice and 1 game a week and I probably spent another $400 on his equipment which is cheap because he is so young and doesn't need high quality equipment.  If your kid is good and wants to play on competitive travel teams  spending $5,000-10,000 a year depending on age is the norm.  I have another son who is 3 who I'm just teaching how to skate who will also be playing in 2 years.  I'm also on the ice twice a week myself playing 1 night in a men's league and 1 night in a shinny game.  I probably spend $1,000-1,500 a year on myself playing.  
     
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    Posted: Oct. 31, 2016 - 2:56 PM ET #38

    Puck moves way too fast
    Hard to even see many goals, just  the light going off
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    Puck moves way too fast
    Hard to even see many goals, just  the light going off
     
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    Posted: Oct. 31, 2016 - 9:52 PM ET #39

    iv'e played longer than you know. its all about being in the right place at the right time. by the way i could skate circles around most of you when i was in my prime
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    iv'e played longer than you know. its all about being in the right place at the right time. by the way i could skate circles around most of you when i was in my prime
     
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    Posted: Oct. 31, 2016 - 9:55 PM ET #40

    playing is fun but hard to watch NHL sorry.lots of lucky goals 
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    playing is fun but hard to watch NHL sorry.lots of lucky goals 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 1, 2016 - 1:09 AM ET #41

    I like that Hockey isn't popular with the masses.

    A smaller but more knowledgeable and passionate fan base.


    I honestly wouldn't mind if baseball went the way of hockey instead of trying to appease Millennials.
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    I like that Hockey isn't popular with the masses.

    A smaller but more knowledgeable and passionate fan base.


    I honestly wouldn't mind if baseball went the way of hockey instead of trying to appease Millennials.
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 1, 2016 - 9:03 AM ET #42

    Quote Originally Posted by tattooyou:

    iv'e played longer than you know. its all about being in the right place at the right time. by the way i could skate circles around most of you when i was in my prime


    Then why aren't the stats more evenly balanced?  I guess we can chalk it up to more ice time?  Or is it that players consistently are in the right place at the right time.  



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    Quote Originally Posted by tattooyou:

    iv'e played longer than you know. its all about being in the right place at the right time. by the way i could skate circles around most of you when i was in my prime


    Then why aren't the stats more evenly balanced?  I guess we can chalk it up to more ice time?  Or is it that players consistently are in the right place at the right time.  



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