.............To avoid this nightmare, Einstein and Szilard urged the government of the United States to join the race for the atomic bomb. Roosevelt agreed, and for the next four and half years a vast, utterly secret effort was launched in cooperation with the United Kingdom. Code-named "The Manhattan Project," the effort eventually employed more than 200,000 workers and several thousands scientists and engineers, many of European background. Finally, on July 16, 1945, the first atomic bomb was tested in the midst of the Alamogordo desert in New Mexico.
Rest my case Rinker.
.............To avoid this nightmare, Einstein and Szilard urged the government of the United States to join the race for the atomic bomb. Roosevelt agreed, and for the next four and half years a vast, utterly secret effort was launched in cooperation with the United Kingdom. Code-named "The Manhattan Project," the effort eventually employed more than 200,000 workers and several thousands scientists and engineers, many of European background. Finally, on July 16, 1945, the first atomic bomb was tested in the midst of the Alamogordo desert in New Mexico.
your last two post kind of make my point about the Germans NOT being close to an A-bomb, searchwarrant. physicists like Einstein and Leo Szilard FEARED German could develop a bomb because of people like Erich Schumann and Werner Heisenberg were top notch physicist (in fact Manhattan lead physicist Robert Oppenheimer studied under Heisenberg in pre-war Germany) which was WHY Roosevelt commissioned The Manhattan Project. BUT before the Germans even started their bomb program, most of their top people had fled to either Britain or America and they did NOT have the people OR industry to produce.
as for the "bubble free" Long Lance. that WAS a BIG DEAL esp in submarine warfare because the bubble trail lead attacking destroyers to the submarines location. electric torpedos had the same "no trail" advantage BUT in WWII they were VERY slow and hard to target a moving ship.with
your last two post kind of make my point about the Germans NOT being close to an A-bomb, searchwarrant. physicists like Einstein and Leo Szilard FEARED German could develop a bomb because of people like Erich Schumann and Werner Heisenberg were top notch physicist (in fact Manhattan lead physicist Robert Oppenheimer studied under Heisenberg in pre-war Germany) which was WHY Roosevelt commissioned The Manhattan Project. BUT before the Germans even started their bomb program, most of their top people had fled to either Britain or America and they did NOT have the people OR industry to produce.
as for the "bubble free" Long Lance. that WAS a BIG DEAL esp in submarine warfare because the bubble trail lead attacking destroyers to the submarines location. electric torpedos had the same "no trail" advantage BUT in WWII they were VERY slow and hard to target a moving ship.with
HERE is a good article listing the reasons WHY Germany never came close to the A-bomb >>> https://www.historynet.com/what-if-werner-heisenberg-had-been-a-nazi.htm
HERE is a good article listing the reasons WHY Germany never came close to the A-bomb >>> https://www.historynet.com/what-if-werner-heisenberg-had-been-a-nazi.htm
HERE is a good article listing the reasons WHY Germany never came close to the A-bomb >>> https://www.historynet.com/what-if-werner-heisenberg-had-been-a-nazi.htm
All of the best scientists in the world were from Europe studying under Einstein and Germany. Germans were the very first to split the atom.
1933 Dr Leoszilard a german physicist was the 1st man to theorize a nuclear chain reaction. Werner Heisenburg knew about this as well.
Roosevelt received a letter from Einstein himself about this breakthrough that Germany was very close to nuclear capability with advanced advanced progress with the atom. This letter prompted immediate action on the Manhattan Project.
Edward Teller (German under Openheimer)
Werner Heisenburg (USA sent an assasin over Germany to kill him).
Leoszizard (German, theorized a nuclear chain reaction)
Hanz Bethe ( left Germany in 1935 to U.S because of the nuclear potential).
Look up these names and you'll see. Thank god the best scientists left Germany when Hitler cam to power. They knew he would use it if the program were to continue.
Quote Originally Posted by LeRinkRat:
HERE is a good article listing the reasons WHY Germany never came close to the A-bomb >>> https://www.historynet.com/what-if-werner-heisenberg-had-been-a-nazi.htm
All of the best scientists in the world were from Europe studying under Einstein and Germany. Germans were the very first to split the atom.
1933 Dr Leoszilard a german physicist was the 1st man to theorize a nuclear chain reaction. Werner Heisenburg knew about this as well.
Roosevelt received a letter from Einstein himself about this breakthrough that Germany was very close to nuclear capability with advanced advanced progress with the atom. This letter prompted immediate action on the Manhattan Project.
Edward Teller (German under Openheimer)
Werner Heisenburg (USA sent an assasin over Germany to kill him).
Leoszizard (German, theorized a nuclear chain reaction)
Hanz Bethe ( left Germany in 1935 to U.S because of the nuclear potential).
Look up these names and you'll see. Thank god the best scientists left Germany when Hitler cam to power. They knew he would use it if the program were to continue.
Leoszizard (German, theorized a nuclear chain reaction)
actually Leo Szilard was Hungarian born J*ew BUT he did study in Germany after WWI and wrote the paper to Roosevelt along with Albert Einstein warning about German experimentation with nuclear chain reactions that resulted in the Manhattan Project
I do NOT know WHY we are arguing. we BOTH agree that Germany ex for a few people like Werner Heisenburg, Walther Bothe, Otto Hahn and Erich Schumann just didn't have the technical minds OR the industry to refine uranium to weapons grade BUT the allies only found this out after the war ended
Leoszizard (German, theorized a nuclear chain reaction)
actually Leo Szilard was Hungarian born J*ew BUT he did study in Germany after WWI and wrote the paper to Roosevelt along with Albert Einstein warning about German experimentation with nuclear chain reactions that resulted in the Manhattan Project
I do NOT know WHY we are arguing. we BOTH agree that Germany ex for a few people like Werner Heisenburg, Walther Bothe, Otto Hahn and Erich Schumann just didn't have the technical minds OR the industry to refine uranium to weapons grade BUT the allies only found this out after the war ended
Anyone remember the story they told during the Lillihammer Olympics about the A-bomb mission the sent a suicide squad to sabotage?
I know it's a huge number of years ago, but if you're talking WWII, this story needs to be told.......
per >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_heavy_water_sabotage In February 1943, a team of SOE-trained Norwegian commandos succeeded in destroying the production facility with a second attempt, Operation Gunnerside. Operation Gunnerside was later evaluated by SOE as the most successful act of sabotage in all of World War II
The Heroes of Telemark (1965) staring Kirk Douglas and Richard Harris is a fictionalized account of the raid
Quote Originally Posted by The Hawk:
Anyone remember the story they told during the Lillihammer Olympics about the A-bomb mission the sent a suicide squad to sabotage?
I know it's a huge number of years ago, but if you're talking WWII, this story needs to be told.......
per >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_heavy_water_sabotage In February 1943, a team of SOE-trained Norwegian commandos succeeded in destroying the production facility with a second attempt, Operation Gunnerside. Operation Gunnerside was later evaluated by SOE as the most successful act of sabotage in all of World War II
The Heroes of Telemark (1965) staring Kirk Douglas and Richard Harris is a fictionalized account of the raid
I'm not going to go with the movie, because I'm sure certain things were, shall we say, exaggerated.
I know people are taking sides about whether the Germans had enough knowledge/materials to construct a bomb.
All I'm going to say is, they had bacon, and they had eggs. Uncle Sam, and our Allies, weren't going to hang around and let them figure out how to make breakfast.
The mission, pretty much a one-way ticket, was crazy. Before going on the mission, the 1/2 dozen men involved were told to write farewell letters to their loved ones. This was back in the day when people cared more about their country, and the people in it, more than their own life.
The facility was located on a sheer cliff. IF they made it there, and IF they managed to sabotage the facility, escape by going down the mountain would be certain death.................so.................
IF still alive, the team was instructed to go UP the mountain (figuring nobody trying to escape would take the slowest route possible) then, upon reaching the peak, ski 250 miles on wooden cross-country skies to neutral Sweden!
Anybody here want to bet on those odds?
I'm not going to go with the movie, because I'm sure certain things were, shall we say, exaggerated.
I know people are taking sides about whether the Germans had enough knowledge/materials to construct a bomb.
All I'm going to say is, they had bacon, and they had eggs. Uncle Sam, and our Allies, weren't going to hang around and let them figure out how to make breakfast.
The mission, pretty much a one-way ticket, was crazy. Before going on the mission, the 1/2 dozen men involved were told to write farewell letters to their loved ones. This was back in the day when people cared more about their country, and the people in it, more than their own life.
The facility was located on a sheer cliff. IF they made it there, and IF they managed to sabotage the facility, escape by going down the mountain would be certain death.................so.................
IF still alive, the team was instructed to go UP the mountain (figuring nobody trying to escape would take the slowest route possible) then, upon reaching the peak, ski 250 miles on wooden cross-country skies to neutral Sweden!
All I'm going to say is, they had bacon, and they had eggs. Uncle Sam, and our Allies, weren't going to hang around and let them figure out how to make breakfast.
Well said and right on.
All I'm going to say is, they had bacon, and they had eggs. Uncle Sam, and our Allies, weren't going to hang around and let them figure out how to make breakfast.
Well the U.S. forced Japan's hand when it placed an oil embargo on Japan in 1941. So if Japan was gunna continue its expansion, it had to secure more oil one way or another. Which means, if there wasn't an attack on Pearl Harbor, they would have attacked the fleet enforcing the oil embargo and/or attacked the U.S. forces in the south Pacific. An attack was a no brainer one way or another. Your question should be if the U.S. had not placed an oil embargo on Japan, what would have happened? I can give you an educated guess but what difference does it make now?
Well the U.S. forced Japan's hand when it placed an oil embargo on Japan in 1941. So if Japan was gunna continue its expansion, it had to secure more oil one way or another. Which means, if there wasn't an attack on Pearl Harbor, they would have attacked the fleet enforcing the oil embargo and/or attacked the U.S. forces in the south Pacific. An attack was a no brainer one way or another. Your question should be if the U.S. had not placed an oil embargo on Japan, what would have happened? I can give you an educated guess but what difference does it make now?
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