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    dl36
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2010 - 1:46 AM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by wizardofroz:

      The board here has kindly provided some proven examples.  In the future, don't let common sense overrule your irrational thoughts.



    Im never said you were wrong...  just simply asked for examples...

    the board provided you with proof..

    common sense says...

    board = competent
    wiz = incompetent

    common sense says...

    if you had given one example, just one, we could move you to the competent category, but since you failed to do.. so common sense says that you dont know what you are talking about

    common sense says...

    that if you could have contributed, you would have (you have posted on this thread more then any other member, so nothing holding you back there)

    but instead allowed other competent posters to engage in the discussion and then run in at the end and say "Yeah! what he said"...

    just going with what reality and common sense tells us...

    my emotional and irrational thoughts tell me that you are a cool guy tho....
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    Quote Originally Posted by wizardofroz:

      The board here has kindly provided some proven examples.  In the future, don't let common sense overrule your irrational thoughts.



    Im never said you were wrong...  just simply asked for examples...

    the board provided you with proof..

    common sense says...

    board = competent
    wiz = incompetent

    common sense says...

    if you had given one example, just one, we could move you to the competent category, but since you failed to do.. so common sense says that you dont know what you are talking about

    common sense says...

    that if you could have contributed, you would have (you have posted on this thread more then any other member, so nothing holding you back there)

    but instead allowed other competent posters to engage in the discussion and then run in at the end and say "Yeah! what he said"...

    just going with what reality and common sense tells us...

    my emotional and irrational thoughts tell me that you are a cool guy tho....
     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2010 - 2:31 PM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by Skubishack:

    I was just watching a show where former Dallas Cowboys HC Jimmy Johnson openly admitted that he told his staff not to fall in love with the players he received in the Hershal Walker trade because in the deal if he got rid of them he would receive draft picks instead... so what he did was NOT start them, even though they were clearly better than the players he was starting. His plan was to tank the entire season to maximize his future draft options.

    This may not be in the same room as fixing a specific game... BUT it clearly shows that teams don't always care about trying to win each and every game.

    Of course there are also situations like last season when the Colts yanked all starters mid-game vs the Jets and then lost. The following week, The Bengals gave away a game to the Jets also which eventually gave the Jets a free pass into the playoffs.

    To say there is absolutely NO hanky panky going on with the outcome of games is foolish thinking. Too many games have had questional results affected by calls and non-calls. Even the video review has not prevented the perversion of outcomes.

    Remember that Steelers game when they intercepted a ball on the last play and returned it for a TD... It was called a TD... then reversed by video replay officials... ONLY to have officials admit just shortly afterwards that it was indeed a touchdown.

    That game cost gamblers MILLIONS of dollars and Las Vegas said they would have had to pay out a small fortune in wagers on Pittsburgh. Instead... Las Vegas MADE those millions of dollars. They don't give a shit because once the game is officially ended with a certain score it CANT be changed even a minute later. Those replay officials clearly sided with LV and I'm sure they got something special out of that outcome which they clearly corrupted.



    It paid off for DAL...

    Similar to the Patrick Ewing drafting with NYK...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skubishack:

    I was just watching a show where former Dallas Cowboys HC Jimmy Johnson openly admitted that he told his staff not to fall in love with the players he received in the Hershal Walker trade because in the deal if he got rid of them he would receive draft picks instead... so what he did was NOT start them, even though they were clearly better than the players he was starting. His plan was to tank the entire season to maximize his future draft options.

    This may not be in the same room as fixing a specific game... BUT it clearly shows that teams don't always care about trying to win each and every game.

    Of course there are also situations like last season when the Colts yanked all starters mid-game vs the Jets and then lost. The following week, The Bengals gave away a game to the Jets also which eventually gave the Jets a free pass into the playoffs.

    To say there is absolutely NO hanky panky going on with the outcome of games is foolish thinking. Too many games have had questional results affected by calls and non-calls. Even the video review has not prevented the perversion of outcomes.

    Remember that Steelers game when they intercepted a ball on the last play and returned it for a TD... It was called a TD... then reversed by video replay officials... ONLY to have officials admit just shortly afterwards that it was indeed a touchdown.

    That game cost gamblers MILLIONS of dollars and Las Vegas said they would have had to pay out a small fortune in wagers on Pittsburgh. Instead... Las Vegas MADE those millions of dollars. They don't give a shit because once the game is officially ended with a certain score it CANT be changed even a minute later. Those replay officials clearly sided with LV and I'm sure they got something special out of that outcome which they clearly corrupted.



    It paid off for DAL...

    Similar to the Patrick Ewing drafting with NYK...
     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2010 - 5:48 PM ET #28

    dl36, the examples of Arizona State and Tulane point shaving in college basketball were well documented and should be known by any gambler over 30 years old.  And the Toledo football example is a more recent example.  And those were just some of the ones that made national news. 

    Explaining this to a "gambler" is similar to you explaining how the pointspread works.  Once again, common sense dictates that professional athletes are less far likely to cheat than college players, as the risks far outweigh the benefits.

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    dl36, the examples of Arizona State and Tulane point shaving in college basketball were well documented and should be known by any gambler over 30 years old.  And the Toledo football example is a more recent example.  And those were just some of the ones that made national news. 

    Explaining this to a "gambler" is similar to you explaining how the pointspread works.  Once again, common sense dictates that professional athletes are less far likely to cheat than college players, as the risks far outweigh the benefits.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 23, 2010 - 7:20 AM ET #29

    I tend to stay away from any game that has a half point added to the spread......
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    I tend to stay away from any game that has a half point added to the spread......
     
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    Posted: Sep. 23, 2010 - 9:17 AM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by shootzbra:

    I tend to stay away from any game that has a half point added to the spread......

    In December of 2006 I was simply on fire and had won over $50,000...

    Before going to Vegas for Christmas Vacation (had to do it once in my life for the holidays) I played a 6 team parlay with 5 dog ML's and One game with a spread. ALL 5 DOGS WON SU as I had expected BUT the spread team lost by the hook.

    The hook game...?

    Det vs the Bears-5.5 pts.

    I had the Bears. They won by 5 points.

    Look up the boxscore and how the game went, scoring wise, and you will see my pain.

    That $100 wager would have won me a cool $60,000 but that fucking hook sank the ship.

    To me... It's the original "Hook of Death" and whenever I see a line with a hook I remember that game. It will stay with me FOREVER.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shootzbra:

    I tend to stay away from any game that has a half point added to the spread......

    In December of 2006 I was simply on fire and had won over $50,000...

    Before going to Vegas for Christmas Vacation (had to do it once in my life for the holidays) I played a 6 team parlay with 5 dog ML's and One game with a spread. ALL 5 DOGS WON SU as I had expected BUT the spread team lost by the hook.

    The hook game...?

    Det vs the Bears-5.5 pts.

    I had the Bears. They won by 5 points.

    Look up the boxscore and how the game went, scoring wise, and you will see my pain.

    That $100 wager would have won me a cool $60,000 but that fucking hook sank the ship.

    To me... It's the original "Hook of Death" and whenever I see a line with a hook I remember that game. It will stay with me FOREVER.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 23, 2010 - 1:59 PM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by GBP:

    vanwilder21 Posted: 8/26/2010 8:35:29 PM
    "Oh no!!!  GBP has moved from posting in Food and Fitness to General Discussion!!!  Good luck fellas!!!  "


    Spitfire15  Posted: 8/26/2010 8:42:23 PM
    "What's the scouting report van?  I've never been to the food & fitness section"


    vanwilder21
    Posted: 8/26/2010 8:48:59 PM
    "He's like dl36.....Starts a hundred threads with about 10 pages of copy and paste links.....Just click on the Forum for examples...."


    Here we go... after all that whining and crying about cyber stalking

    I am asking you nicely to keep the BS out of my threads...  I have posted 2 recently, so your claim and my behavior dont even correlate...

    your quote to describe me seems to fit your behavior much better... so stop projecting your own issues on to me...

    You might not be good at engaging people in an intelligent/civil dialog, but this shows that you are good at ruining threads and boards...

    STOP
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    Quote Originally Posted by GBP:

    vanwilder21 Posted: 8/26/2010 8:35:29 PM
    "Oh no!!!  GBP has moved from posting in Food and Fitness to General Discussion!!!  Good luck fellas!!!  "


    Spitfire15  Posted: 8/26/2010 8:42:23 PM
    "What's the scouting report van?  I've never been to the food & fitness section"


    vanwilder21
    Posted: 8/26/2010 8:48:59 PM
    "He's like dl36.....Starts a hundred threads with about 10 pages of copy and paste links.....Just click on the Forum for examples...."


    Here we go... after all that whining and crying about cyber stalking

    I am asking you nicely to keep the BS out of my threads...  I have posted 2 recently, so your claim and my behavior dont even correlate...

    your quote to describe me seems to fit your behavior much better... so stop projecting your own issues on to me...

    You might not be good at engaging people in an intelligent/civil dialog, but this shows that you are good at ruining threads and boards...

    STOP
     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2010 - 7:05 AM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by wizardofroz:

    dl36, the examples of Arizona State and Tulane point shaving in college basketball were well documented and should be known by any gambler over 30 years old.  And the Toledo football example is a more recent example.  And those were just some of the ones that made national news. 

    Explaining this to a "gambler" is similar to you explaining how the pointspread works.  Once again, common sense dictates that professional athletes are less far likely to cheat than college players, as the risks far outweigh the benefits.



    from a gambling perspective you are correct...

    but the "fix is in" talks about officials who officiate in a way to help the league they are a part of... and this IMHO would occur more in pro sports then in college sports...
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    Quote Originally Posted by wizardofroz:

    dl36, the examples of Arizona State and Tulane point shaving in college basketball were well documented and should be known by any gambler over 30 years old.  And the Toledo football example is a more recent example.  And those were just some of the ones that made national news. 

    Explaining this to a "gambler" is similar to you explaining how the pointspread works.  Once again, common sense dictates that professional athletes are less far likely to cheat than college players, as the risks far outweigh the benefits.



    from a gambling perspective you are correct...

    but the "fix is in" talks about officials who officiate in a way to help the league they are a part of... and this IMHO would occur more in pro sports then in college sports...
     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2010 - 9:14 PM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:



    Here we go... after all that whining and crying about cyber stalking

    I am asking you nicely to keep the BS out of my threads...  I have posted 2 recently, so your claim and my behavior dont even correlate...

    your quote to describe me seems to fit your behavior much better... so stop projecting your own issues on to me...

    You might not be good at engaging people in an intelligent/civil dialog, but this shows that you are good at ruining threads and boards...

    STOP


    Looks like he has been stopped

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    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:



    Here we go... after all that whining and crying about cyber stalking

    I am asking you nicely to keep the BS out of my threads...  I have posted 2 recently, so your claim and my behavior dont even correlate...

    your quote to describe me seems to fit your behavior much better... so stop projecting your own issues on to me...

    You might not be good at engaging people in an intelligent/civil dialog, but this shows that you are good at ruining threads and boards...

    STOP


    Looks like he has been stopped

    Linesmen
     
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    Posted: Sep. 25, 2010 - 7:00 AM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:



    but the "fix is in" talks about officials who officiate in a way to help the league they are a part of... and this IMHO would occur more in pro sports then in college sports...

     I strongly agree with that assessment.  OFFICIALS in PRO sports alter the outcome way too often, especially in the NBA.  NFL has gotten better with the replay, as coaches can have a poor call reversed by an incompetent official.  And the strike zone in baseball is can easily be manipulated by a biased umpire behind the plate.  K-zone would be a welcome change, but it will not happen.     

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    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:



    but the "fix is in" talks about officials who officiate in a way to help the league they are a part of... and this IMHO would occur more in pro sports then in college sports...

     I strongly agree with that assessment.  OFFICIALS in PRO sports alter the outcome way too often, especially in the NBA.  NFL has gotten better with the replay, as coaches can have a poor call reversed by an incompetent official.  And the strike zone in baseball is can easily be manipulated by a biased umpire behind the plate.  K-zone would be a welcome change, but it will not happen.     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2010 - 3:55 AM ET #35

    Here is a Game that I had big money on today ... Okla/Cinci 1rst half over 26.5...extra point missed,field goal missed,ball hit out of players hands as he is about to enter endzone,wide open player ball goes through his hands in the endzone,all in the 2nd Q,with me missing the win because total was 26 points.......
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    Here is a Game that I had big money on today ... Okla/Cinci 1rst half over 26.5...extra point missed,field goal missed,ball hit out of players hands as he is about to enter endzone,wide open player ball goes through his hands in the endzone,all in the 2nd Q,with me missing the win because total was 26 points.......
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2010 - 3:04 PM ET #36

    super bowl xl between the steelers and seahawks has to be in the top 10 most obvious rigged games ever.  Anyone who disagrees on that has to be extremly naive or a steelers fan- one of the two
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    super bowl xl between the steelers and seahawks has to be in the top 10 most obvious rigged games ever.  Anyone who disagrees on that has to be extremly naive or a steelers fan- one of the two
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by CeCiL_CbR:

    super bowl xl between the steelers and seahawks has to be in the top 10 most obvious rigged games ever.  Anyone who disagrees on that has to be extremly naive or a steelers fan- one of the two


    I actually subscribe to this one because the League, TV and sponsors had a lot to gain from Jerome winning one at the time...

    Fix is not always about Vegas and bookies...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CeCiL_CbR:

    super bowl xl between the steelers and seahawks has to be in the top 10 most obvious rigged games ever.  Anyone who disagrees on that has to be extremly naive or a steelers fan- one of the two


    I actually subscribe to this one because the League, TV and sponsors had a lot to gain from Jerome winning one at the time...

    Fix is not always about Vegas and bookies...
     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2010 - 3:28 PM ET #38

    Quote Originally Posted by shootzbra:

    Here is a Game that I had big money on today ... Okla/Cinci 1rst half over 26.5...extra point missed,field goal missed,ball hit out of players hands as he is about to enter endzone,wide open player ball goes through his hands in the endzone,all in the 2nd Q,with me missing the win because total was 26 points.......


    yeah I dont think so on this, but I did not watch the game...

    but I think 1st half overs are not big enough in terms of betting to be fixed like that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by shootzbra:

    Here is a Game that I had big money on today ... Okla/Cinci 1rst half over 26.5...extra point missed,field goal missed,ball hit out of players hands as he is about to enter endzone,wide open player ball goes through his hands in the endzone,all in the 2nd Q,with me missing the win because total was 26 points.......


    yeah I dont think so on this, but I did not watch the game...

    but I think 1st half overs are not big enough in terms of betting to be fixed like that...
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