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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2010 - 11:42 PM ET #1

    https://thefixisin.net/

    heard this guy on the george noory show...

    anyone heard of this or read the book?

    I think the basic premise was that professional sports were fixed on the level of league and officiating...

    but not how degenerates say on covers that some how vegas effects outcomes...  but this makes more sense with the league effecting outcomes that is favorable to the league..
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    https://thefixisin.net/

    heard this guy on the george noory show...

    anyone heard of this or read the book?

    I think the basic premise was that professional sports were fixed on the level of league and officiating...

    but not how degenerates say on covers that some how vegas effects outcomes...  but this makes more sense with the league effecting outcomes that is favorable to the league..
     
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    but not how degenerates say on covers that some how vegas effects outcomes...  but this makes more sense with the league effecting outcomes that is favorable to the league..

    and then in turn, "Vegas" oddmakers takes this into account in setting the lines
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    but not how degenerates say on covers that some how vegas effects outcomes...  but this makes more sense with the league effecting outcomes that is favorable to the league..

    and then in turn, "Vegas" oddmakers takes this into account in setting the lines
     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2010 - 11:53 PM ET #3

    I've watched the NBA, I'm sold.
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2010 - 11:54 PM ET #4

     "on the level of league and officiating"

    The Tuck Rule comes to mind.

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     "on the level of league and officiating"

    The Tuck Rule comes to mind.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2010 - 11:55 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by ICAPSports:

    but not how degenerates say on covers that some how vegas effects outcomes...  but this makes more sense with the league effecting outcomes that is favorable to the league..

    and then in turn, "Vegas" oddmakers takes this into account in setting the lines




    I agree but people but often think that vegas/house and the refs are in bed together, which is not logical...

    The NFL would prefer that your book/man lose and you tune it or attend games and win money and enjoy the experience... it is not good business for degenerate gamblers/loyal homer betters get ripped consistently for books to make money...

    NFL will make more money having the public cash in their winning plays to buy TV packages, tickets, apparel etc... so to think that the league is in bed with the books is silly...

    The league pays the refs and the refs have a job not only to officiate, but a job to the league to "do the right thing" for the league...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICAPSports:

    but not how degenerates say on covers that some how vegas effects outcomes...  but this makes more sense with the league effecting outcomes that is favorable to the league..

    and then in turn, "Vegas" oddmakers takes this into account in setting the lines




    I agree but people but often think that vegas/house and the refs are in bed together, which is not logical...

    The NFL would prefer that your book/man lose and you tune it or attend games and win money and enjoy the experience... it is not good business for degenerate gamblers/loyal homer betters get ripped consistently for books to make money...

    NFL will make more money having the public cash in their winning plays to buy TV packages, tickets, apparel etc... so to think that the league is in bed with the books is silly...

    The league pays the refs and the refs have a job not only to officiate, but a job to the league to "do the right thing" for the league...
     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2010 - 11:57 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by 3rd_and_Long:

    I've watched the NBA, I'm sold.


    NBA in the jordan years was absolutely brutal...

    Lakers and crawford is so obvious it is stupid..

    Every playoffs my wife says...  "oh the bald guy is reffing, you bet the lakers right?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3rd_and_Long:

    I've watched the NBA, I'm sold.


    NBA in the jordan years was absolutely brutal...

    Lakers and crawford is so obvious it is stupid..

    Every playoffs my wife says...  "oh the bald guy is reffing, you bet the lakers right?"
     
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2010 - 12:01 AM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by 3rd_and_Long:

    I've watched the NBA, I'm sold.

    Absolutely. And its one major reason why I gave up betting and even watching their games until the playoff starts.

    Reminds of the Finals between Dallas and Miami where Wade went to the line a gazillion times. Someone breathed on him and its a foul. Then there was the LAL/SAC serie in '01.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3rd_and_Long:

    I've watched the NBA, I'm sold.

    Absolutely. And its one major reason why I gave up betting and even watching their games until the playoff starts.

    Reminds of the Finals between Dallas and Miami where Wade went to the line a gazillion times. Someone breathed on him and its a foul. Then there was the LAL/SAC serie in '01.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2010 - 12:09 AM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by ICAPSports:

    but not how degenerates say on covers that some how vegas effects outcomes...  but this makes more sense with the league effecting outcomes that is favorable to the league..

    and then in turn, "Vegas" oddmakers takes this into account in setting the lines

    Great post.  You get it.

      When it's a verb, however, it is affect and when it's a noun it is effect.  The majority don't give a shit, but the intelligent welcome  and dig your awareness.  

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICAPSports:

    but not how degenerates say on covers that some how vegas effects outcomes...  but this makes more sense with the league effecting outcomes that is favorable to the league..

    and then in turn, "Vegas" oddmakers takes this into account in setting the lines

    Great post.  You get it.

      When it's a verb, however, it is affect and when it's a noun it is effect.  The majority don't give a shit, but the intelligent welcome  and dig your awareness.  

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by kickinA:

    Absolutely. And its one major reason why I gave up betting and even watching their games until the playoff starts.

    Reminds of the Finals between Dallas and Miami where Wade went to the line a gazillion times. Someone breathed on him and its a foul. Then there was the LAL/SAC serie in '01.



    NBA is the worst... more involved reffing then in any other sport

    But also the most fixed...

    DET, BOS and the last two Spurs titles involved beating the forces against them to win... true champions..
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    Quote Originally Posted by kickinA:

    Absolutely. And its one major reason why I gave up betting and even watching their games until the playoff starts.

    Reminds of the Finals between Dallas and Miami where Wade went to the line a gazillion times. Someone breathed on him and its a foul. Then there was the LAL/SAC serie in '01.



    NBA is the worst... more involved reffing then in any other sport

    But also the most fixed...

    DET, BOS and the last two Spurs titles involved beating the forces against them to win... true champions..
     
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2010 - 2:35 AM ET #10

    Professional sports are just another big business now... been this way since the early to mid 1980's. That's my opinion. I find it impossible to have any loyalty to any particular team simply because they really only care about the dollars in your pocket... and that's all they want.

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    Professional sports are just another big business now... been this way since the early to mid 1980's. That's my opinion. I find it impossible to have any loyalty to any particular team simply because they really only care about the dollars in your pocket... and that's all they want.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skubishack:

    Professional sports are just another big business now... been this way since the early to mid 1980's. That's my opinion. I find it impossible to have any loyalty to any particular team simply because they really only care about the dollars in your pocket... and that's all they want.

     College sports is worse than professional sports with the insane TV revenues that is generated by these kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skubishack:

    Professional sports are just another big business now... been this way since the early to mid 1980's. That's my opinion. I find it impossible to have any loyalty to any particular team simply because they really only care about the dollars in your pocket... and that's all they want.

     College sports is worse than professional sports with the insane TV revenues that is generated by these kids.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2010 - 3:40 AM ET #12

    "are worse"
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2010 - 12:06 PM ET #13

    The NFL with all its rule changes every year sure does seem like it just comes up with more ways to manipulate the games...so many judgement calls...you can always look for a late hit/roughing the passer/pass interference, or not look for it.
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    The NFL with all its rule changes every year sure does seem like it just comes up with more ways to manipulate the games...so many judgement calls...you can always look for a late hit/roughing the passer/pass interference, or not look for it.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wizardofroz:

     College sports is worse than professional sports with the insane TV revenues that is generated by these kids.



    can you give an example?
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     College sports is worse than professional sports with the insane TV revenues that is generated by these kids.



    can you give an example?
     
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2010 - 4:33 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:



    can you give an example?

     Who is more likely to be bought off: A rich pro athlete or a poor college kid? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:



    can you give an example?

     Who is more likely to be bought off: A rich pro athlete or a poor college kid? 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2010 - 9:29 PM ET #16

    This just in....wrestling is fixed. Team sports...not likely.
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    This just in....wrestling is fixed. Team sports...not likely.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wizardofroz:

     Who is more likely to be bought off: A rich pro athlete or a poor college kid? 



    can you name a game and/or player?
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     Who is more likely to be bought off: A rich pro athlete or a poor college kid? 



    can you name a game and/or player?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnzimbo34:

    This just in....wrestling is fixed. Team sports...not likely.

    I was just watching a show where former Dallas Cowboys HC Jimmy Johnson openly admitted that he told his staff not to fall in love with the players he received in the Hershal Walker trade because in the deal if he got rid of them he would receive draft picks instead... so what he did was NOT start them, even though they were clearly better than the players he was starting. His plan was to tank the entire season to maximize his future draft options.

    This may not be in the same room as fixing a specific game... BUT it clearly shows that teams don't always care about trying to win each and every game.

    Of course there are also situations like last season when the Colts yanked all starters mid-game vs the Jets and then lost. The following week, The Bengals gave away a game to the Jets also which eventually gave the Jets a free pass into the playoffs.

    To say there is absolutely NO hanky panky going on with the outcome of games is foolish thinking. Too many games have had questional results affected by calls and non-calls. Even the video review has not prevented the perversion of outcomes.

    Remember that Steelers game when they intercepted a ball on the last play and returned it for a TD... It was called a TD... then reversed by video replay officials... ONLY to have officials admit just shortly afterwards that it was indeed a touchdown.

    That game cost gamblers MILLIONS of dollars and Las Vegas said they would have had to pay out a small fortune in wagers on Pittsburgh. Instead... Las Vegas MADE those millions of dollars. They don't give a shit because once the game is officially ended with a certain score it CANT be changed even a minute later. Those replay officials clearly sided with LV and I'm sure they got something special out of that outcome which they clearly corrupted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnzimbo34:

    This just in....wrestling is fixed. Team sports...not likely.

    I was just watching a show where former Dallas Cowboys HC Jimmy Johnson openly admitted that he told his staff not to fall in love with the players he received in the Hershal Walker trade because in the deal if he got rid of them he would receive draft picks instead... so what he did was NOT start them, even though they were clearly better than the players he was starting. His plan was to tank the entire season to maximize his future draft options.

    This may not be in the same room as fixing a specific game... BUT it clearly shows that teams don't always care about trying to win each and every game.

    Of course there are also situations like last season when the Colts yanked all starters mid-game vs the Jets and then lost. The following week, The Bengals gave away a game to the Jets also which eventually gave the Jets a free pass into the playoffs.

    To say there is absolutely NO hanky panky going on with the outcome of games is foolish thinking. Too many games have had questional results affected by calls and non-calls. Even the video review has not prevented the perversion of outcomes.

    Remember that Steelers game when they intercepted a ball on the last play and returned it for a TD... It was called a TD... then reversed by video replay officials... ONLY to have officials admit just shortly afterwards that it was indeed a touchdown.

    That game cost gamblers MILLIONS of dollars and Las Vegas said they would have had to pay out a small fortune in wagers on Pittsburgh. Instead... Las Vegas MADE those millions of dollars. They don't give a shit because once the game is officially ended with a certain score it CANT be changed even a minute later. Those replay officials clearly sided with LV and I'm sure they got something special out of that outcome which they clearly corrupted.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:



    can you name a game and/or player?


    this comes to mind right off the bat
    I remember this well...staked many a PAC10 games that year in '93

    PHOENIX (AP) -- A former Arizona State player and four other men who admitted involvement in a college basketball point-shaving scandal were sentenced to prison or probation Monday.

    The scandal caused harm to the university, the students, the fans and to the coach, U.S. District Court Judge Robert C. Broomfield said. "This scandal leads to cynicism about what college sports is all about."

    Prior to sentencing, former Arizona State guard Isaac Burton Jr. apologized to his coaches, "all ASU fans, classmates and whoever," saying he didn't realize what he was getting involved in. "Hopefully you guys can forgive me."

    Burton, Vincent Basso, Joseph Gagliano, Joseph Mangiamele, Dominic Mangiamele, admitted they were involved in a point-shaving scheme allegedly masterminded by former ASU student Benny Silman during the 1993-94 season.

    Silman, 28, is serving a 46-month prison sentence for getting Stevin "Hedake" Smith and Burton to shave points in certain games so the team wouldn't beat the point spread.

    "At no time did [Burton] do anything intentionally that would cause the game to be affected in any way," his attorney James Logan said before sentencing.

    Calling Burton's apology heartfelt and saying he gained little and lost a lot by his involvement, Broomfield sentenced Burton to two months in jail, six months of home detention and three years' probation. Burton was also fined $8,000 and will have to complete 200 hours of community service. He could have faced up to 11/2 years in prison.

    Broomfield said Burton's jail sentence need not be continuous and he did not rule out the possibility that Burton might be able to travel outside the country during his probation.

    Burton played professionally last year in Cyprus.

    Five ASU games were bet on in Las Vegas between December 1993 and May 1994 and four were fixed successfully, prosecutors said. The bettors lost all their money in the last game of the scheme -- against Washington -- when ASU beat the point spread.

    After Silman and Smith agreed to the conspiracy, Silman brought in Gagliano contacted the Mangiameles.

    Smith asked Burton for help in fixing the first two games in return for cash.

    After the third the successful fix, Gagliano approached Basso, a schoolmate from Chicago.

    Basso, Gagliano and the Mangiameles placed bets on the last two games, against Southern California and Washington.

    Joseph Gagliano was sentenced to 15 months in prison, three years parole, 100 hours of community service and fined $6,000.

    Joseph Mangiamele was sentenced to three months in jail, eight months of home detention and four years' probation. He will also have to pay a $5,000 fine and complete 100 hours of community service.

    The judge said Joseph Mangiamele's sentencing took into account his unusual level of cooperation with prosecutors.

    "If yours isn't the highest [level], it comes close," Broomfield said.

    Dominic Mangiamele, Joseph's father, a former Chicago trucking executive, was sentenced to three months' probation, which includes four months of home detention, a $5,000 fines, and 100 hours of community service.

    Steve Wagner, Dominic Mangiamele's lawyer, said his client's lack of prison or jail time showed the judge recognized his limited involvement. He could have faced up to 16 months in prison.

    Vincent Basso of Buffalo Grove, Ill., was sentenced to 1 1/2 years in prison, $27,000 in fines -- the amount he profited from betting on a game between ASU and Southern California -- and three years parole.

    Department of Justice attorney Corbin Weiss, declined to comment on the sentences.

    Smith, ASU's No. 3 all-time leading scorer, pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit sports bribery in 1997 and is scheduled to be sentenced on September 20.




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    can you name a game and/or player?


    this comes to mind right off the bat
    I remember this well...staked many a PAC10 games that year in '93

    PHOENIX (AP) -- A former Arizona State player and four other men who admitted involvement in a college basketball point-shaving scandal were sentenced to prison or probation Monday.

    The scandal caused harm to the university, the students, the fans and to the coach, U.S. District Court Judge Robert C. Broomfield said. "This scandal leads to cynicism about what college sports is all about."

    Prior to sentencing, former Arizona State guard Isaac Burton Jr. apologized to his coaches, "all ASU fans, classmates and whoever," saying he didn't realize what he was getting involved in. "Hopefully you guys can forgive me."

    Burton, Vincent Basso, Joseph Gagliano, Joseph Mangiamele, Dominic Mangiamele, admitted they were involved in a point-shaving scheme allegedly masterminded by former ASU student Benny Silman during the 1993-94 season.

    Silman, 28, is serving a 46-month prison sentence for getting Stevin "Hedake" Smith and Burton to shave points in certain games so the team wouldn't beat the point spread.

    "At no time did [Burton] do anything intentionally that would cause the game to be affected in any way," his attorney James Logan said before sentencing.

    Calling Burton's apology heartfelt and saying he gained little and lost a lot by his involvement, Broomfield sentenced Burton to two months in jail, six months of home detention and three years' probation. Burton was also fined $8,000 and will have to complete 200 hours of community service. He could have faced up to 11/2 years in prison.

    Broomfield said Burton's jail sentence need not be continuous and he did not rule out the possibility that Burton might be able to travel outside the country during his probation.

    Burton played professionally last year in Cyprus.

    Five ASU games were bet on in Las Vegas between December 1993 and May 1994 and four were fixed successfully, prosecutors said. The bettors lost all their money in the last game of the scheme -- against Washington -- when ASU beat the point spread.

    After Silman and Smith agreed to the conspiracy, Silman brought in Gagliano contacted the Mangiameles.

    Smith asked Burton for help in fixing the first two games in return for cash.

    After the third the successful fix, Gagliano approached Basso, a schoolmate from Chicago.

    Basso, Gagliano and the Mangiameles placed bets on the last two games, against Southern California and Washington.

    Joseph Gagliano was sentenced to 15 months in prison, three years parole, 100 hours of community service and fined $6,000.

    Joseph Mangiamele was sentenced to three months in jail, eight months of home detention and four years' probation. He will also have to pay a $5,000 fine and complete 100 hours of community service.

    The judge said Joseph Mangiamele's sentencing took into account his unusual level of cooperation with prosecutors.

    "If yours isn't the highest [level], it comes close," Broomfield said.

    Dominic Mangiamele, Joseph's father, a former Chicago trucking executive, was sentenced to three months' probation, which includes four months of home detention, a $5,000 fines, and 100 hours of community service.

    Steve Wagner, Dominic Mangiamele's lawyer, said his client's lack of prison or jail time showed the judge recognized his limited involvement. He could have faced up to 16 months in prison.

    Vincent Basso of Buffalo Grove, Ill., was sentenced to 1 1/2 years in prison, $27,000 in fines -- the amount he profited from betting on a game between ASU and Southern California -- and three years parole.

    Department of Justice attorney Corbin Weiss, declined to comment on the sentences.

    Smith, ASU's No. 3 all-time leading scorer, pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit sports bribery in 1997 and is scheduled to be sentenced on September 20.




     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2010 - 4:16 PM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:



    can you give an example?

    toledo,  and i think it was tulane baskets??

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    can you give an example?

    toledo,  and i think it was tulane baskets??

     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2010 - 4:28 PM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnzimbo34:

    This just in....wrestling is fixed. Team sports...not likely.
    Wrestling is fixed.....So Andre the Giant was really not tall at all
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    This just in....wrestling is fixed. Team sports...not likely.
    Wrestling is fixed.....So Andre the Giant was really not tall at all
     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2010 - 7:15 PM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:



    can you name a game and/or player?

      The board here has kindly provided some proven examples.  In the future, don't let common sense overrule your irrational thoughts.

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    can you name a game and/or player?

      The board here has kindly provided some proven examples.  In the future, don't let common sense overrule your irrational thoughts.

     
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    Boston College...nickname the Boston Gamblers. Northwestern running back deliberately fumble the ball not to cover against Minny...i remember because it cost me hundreds of dollars and was watching the game. Kid got caught.

    A lot of the Mac teams fix games for overs in both NCAA basket and football.

    Michael Jordan is the classic example why I don`t bet the NBA..etc.etc.etc.

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    Boston College...nickname the Boston Gamblers. Northwestern running back deliberately fumble the ball not to cover against Minny...i remember because it cost me hundreds of dollars and was watching the game. Kid got caught.

    A lot of the Mac teams fix games for overs in both NCAA basket and football.

    Michael Jordan is the classic example why I don`t bet the NBA..etc.etc.etc.

     
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    Skubishack - I remember that Steeler/Charger game like it was yesterday.Without question, the most blatant fix of a game Ive ever seen in all my years.Scott Green was the ref, and Pittsburgh had about 13 penalties to the Chargers 2.Steelers were -4.They took about 10 minutes reviewing that last play,still got it wrong and then pulled the old "oops,we made a mistake,sorry about that" bullshit.Why would they even spend 1 second reviewing that meaningless play when it had no effect on the outcome of the game, JUST THE SPREAD
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    Skubishack - I remember that Steeler/Charger game like it was yesterday.Without question, the most blatant fix of a game Ive ever seen in all my years.Scott Green was the ref, and Pittsburgh had about 13 penalties to the Chargers 2.Steelers were -4.They took about 10 minutes reviewing that last play,still got it wrong and then pulled the old "oops,we made a mistake,sorry about that" bullshit.Why would they even spend 1 second reviewing that meaningless play when it had no effect on the outcome of the game, JUST THE SPREAD
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:



    can you name a game and/or player?


    In CFB, one that may not have been rigged for the spread but just to make sure a certain team won - Arkansas at Florida last year.

    IMO, the SEC wanted their two cash cows, Bama and Florida to be undefeated in the SEC CG.

    Bama also did not have any holding calls against them for like 10 games in a row.
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    can you name a game and/or player?


    In CFB, one that may not have been rigged for the spread but just to make sure a certain team won - Arkansas at Florida last year.

    IMO, the SEC wanted their two cash cows, Bama and Florida to be undefeated in the SEC CG.

    Bama also did not have any holding calls against them for like 10 games in a row.
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