I have another thought..... And this just came to me.
I do think that there will be "services" opening up now to make it easy for poker players to become virtual citizens of their choice of locales. This would easily lend itself to sports bettors too, but since we are much smaller - I think this event will lead to the formation of such services in which a sports gambler could piggyback.
Something like:
For XXX per month, get a foreign physical address, a foreign bank acct, and a VPN in that locale.......
Wait and see. I thought of this while reading at 2+2, and the number of poker refugees looking for a home is astounding.
Seems pretty far fetched.
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:
I have another thought..... And this just came to me.
I do think that there will be "services" opening up now to make it easy for poker players to become virtual citizens of their choice of locales. This would easily lend itself to sports bettors too, but since we are much smaller - I think this event will lead to the formation of such services in which a sports gambler could piggyback.
Something like:
For XXX per month, get a foreign physical address, a foreign bank acct, and a VPN in that locale.......
Wait and see. I thought of this while reading at 2+2, and the number of poker refugees looking for a home is astounding.
All they are going to do is to drive the sports gambler to street bookies. It is hard to do a lot of damage to your life with an online book, because you have to deposit up front, but it is very easy to do a lot of damage with a street book, where you can bet money you don't have.
How can something that benefits street bookies and the mob be good for America?
And if this is a prelude to sports lotteries in the US, no thanks. I live close enough to Canada to know that you can't win money betting 3 team parlays at the equivalent of -140 juice.
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All they are going to do is to drive the sports gambler to street bookies. It is hard to do a lot of damage to your life with an online book, because you have to deposit up front, but it is very easy to do a lot of damage with a street book, where you can bet money you don't have.
How can something that benefits street bookies and the mob be good for America?
And if this is a prelude to sports lotteries in the US, no thanks. I live close enough to Canada to know that you can't win money betting 3 team parlays at the equivalent of -140 juice.
another good thread on a good (gambling/on-line)topic that gets absolutely smothered with dumbfucks that try to give their fucked up interpretation/2 cents of the UIGEA...which they prob only found out existed in the last 24 hours
Good thread VZ, after weeding through all the bullshit posts at least, typical covers thread though..
Tru dat!
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Quote Originally Posted by cmo1037:
another good thread on a good (gambling/on-line)topic that gets absolutely smothered with dumbfucks that try to give their fucked up interpretation/2 cents of the UIGEA...which they prob only found out existed in the last 24 hours
Good thread VZ, after weeding through all the bullshit posts at least, typical covers thread though..
I stumbled on this GD forum and thank you for posting the topic, vanzack. I didn't realize how bad it was until your last post. I used to get BetUS mail all of the time and it now seems it will be a matter of time before they go after the others that are established "safe" books offered to US customers.
Leave it to the punk/corporate person at the DOJ, Eric Holder, to go after the mafia and now online gambling sites instead of the war criminals, GWB and Dick Cheney (who is now legitimizing torture and trying to take credit for OBL's capture) who should be prosecuted. Nope, they're not looking backwards and history will once again be repeated just like after Vietnam.
I am sorry to go off on a rant but America is owned by Wall Street (not 1 prosecution!), the big banks/big oil and the Military Industrial Complex. Kudos to Sen Bernie Sanders for standing up against these titans and at least making an effort to look out for the little guy for a change. Otherwise, throw ALL OF THE BUMS out of office and all the propagandists that shill for them!!!
We have been dumbed down so much in this country that most people know more about what goes on with American Idol, Dancing With the Stars and the Apprentice than they do with crucial issues in our political discourse.
It all started with that INSANE Patriot Act in 2002...and what did we do?... We (Wisconsinites) voted out the 1 guy, Russ Feingold, who voted against it.
We deserve the government we get, and now it's come home to rear its ugly head in the online gambling industry. Pathetic.
Thanks again for thread --and now I don't feel so bad about my recent slump in the NBA playoffs. What's there to worry about if it's gone, one way or another.
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I stumbled on this GD forum and thank you for posting the topic, vanzack. I didn't realize how bad it was until your last post. I used to get BetUS mail all of the time and it now seems it will be a matter of time before they go after the others that are established "safe" books offered to US customers.
Leave it to the punk/corporate person at the DOJ, Eric Holder, to go after the mafia and now online gambling sites instead of the war criminals, GWB and Dick Cheney (who is now legitimizing torture and trying to take credit for OBL's capture) who should be prosecuted. Nope, they're not looking backwards and history will once again be repeated just like after Vietnam.
I am sorry to go off on a rant but America is owned by Wall Street (not 1 prosecution!), the big banks/big oil and the Military Industrial Complex. Kudos to Sen Bernie Sanders for standing up against these titans and at least making an effort to look out for the little guy for a change. Otherwise, throw ALL OF THE BUMS out of office and all the propagandists that shill for them!!!
We have been dumbed down so much in this country that most people know more about what goes on with American Idol, Dancing With the Stars and the Apprentice than they do with crucial issues in our political discourse.
It all started with that INSANE Patriot Act in 2002...and what did we do?... We (Wisconsinites) voted out the 1 guy, Russ Feingold, who voted against it.
We deserve the government we get, and now it's come home to rear its ugly head in the online gambling industry. Pathetic.
Thanks again for thread --and now I don't feel so bad about my recent slump in the NBA playoffs. What's there to worry about if it's gone, one way or another.
Its absolutely a "band aid" of sorts until hopefully (and I stress the word "hopefully) it all becomes legal someday soon.
Heres the thing, and I can only really get into my situation but online poker has been my primary source of income for about 4 years. It has enabled me to first off, get out of my old job I had that i HATED, and also its allowed me to work from home and be a huge part of my daughter life (have 50/50 custody now).
For me to just give up online would mean a lot of things. First off my time with my kid would go from 50% to about 15%, my bills will go up a lot (more gas, higher child support than I already pay, ya in my state at 50/50 the guy still has to pay), and turn back into that miserable SOB i was doing my old job lol.
The hope is to somehow get by the next year or two using this vpn and a friend of mines account in another country until it becomes legal. That is do-able I believe but the real thing that scares me is some of the "legalized" plans that theyre talking about, the "intrastate vs interstate" debate, some of these plans are just awful and will not even be close in bringing the game back to its pre-black friday status.
The dream is that it will become totally legal and we'll get another semi-boom like back in 2003 and also never having to worry about a "black friday" again. The games the last few years have gotten a lot tougher but not so much so that you can still make a living as long you keep working on your game. It becoming legal will allow so many recreational players to play with ease and comfort which will just be awesome
Well I kinda got going in another direction there but just wanted to give an example of what some of us are doing to try and still make it.
Also, what is your comment on 2p2?
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Quote Originally Posted by RickeM:
Seems like a band aid to me. Good luck with that.
Its absolutely a "band aid" of sorts until hopefully (and I stress the word "hopefully) it all becomes legal someday soon.
Heres the thing, and I can only really get into my situation but online poker has been my primary source of income for about 4 years. It has enabled me to first off, get out of my old job I had that i HATED, and also its allowed me to work from home and be a huge part of my daughter life (have 50/50 custody now).
For me to just give up online would mean a lot of things. First off my time with my kid would go from 50% to about 15%, my bills will go up a lot (more gas, higher child support than I already pay, ya in my state at 50/50 the guy still has to pay), and turn back into that miserable SOB i was doing my old job lol.
The hope is to somehow get by the next year or two using this vpn and a friend of mines account in another country until it becomes legal. That is do-able I believe but the real thing that scares me is some of the "legalized" plans that theyre talking about, the "intrastate vs interstate" debate, some of these plans are just awful and will not even be close in bringing the game back to its pre-black friday status.
The dream is that it will become totally legal and we'll get another semi-boom like back in 2003 and also never having to worry about a "black friday" again. The games the last few years have gotten a lot tougher but not so much so that you can still make a living as long you keep working on your game. It becoming legal will allow so many recreational players to play with ease and comfort which will just be awesome
Well I kinda got going in another direction there but just wanted to give an example of what some of us are doing to try and still make it.
Its absolutely a "band aid" of sorts until hopefully (and I stress the word "hopefully) it all becomes legal someday soon.
Heres the thing, and I can only really get into my situation but online poker has been my primary source of income for about 4 years. It has enabled me to first off, get out of my old job I had that i HATED, and also its allowed me to work from home and be a huge part of my daughter life (have 50/50 custody now).
For me to just give up online would mean a lot of things. First off my time with my kid would go from 50% to about 15%, my bills will go up a lot (more gas, higher child support than I already pay, ya in my state at 50/50 the guy still has to pay), and turn back into that miserable SOB i was doing my old job lol.
The hope is to somehow get by the next year or two using this vpn and a friend of mines account in another country until it becomes legal. That is do-able I believe but the real thing that scares me is some of the "legalized" plans that theyre talking about, the "intrastate vs interstate" debate, some of these plans are just awful and will not even be close in bringing the game back to its pre-black friday status.
The dream is that it will become totally legal and we'll get another semi-boom like back in 2003 and also never having to worry about a "black friday" again. The games the last few years have gotten a lot tougher but not so much so that you can still make a living as long you keep working on your game. It becoming legal will allow so many recreational players to play with ease and comfort which will just be awesome
Well I kinda got going in another direction there but just wanted to give an example of what some of us are doing to try and still make it.
Also, what is your comment on 2p2?
GL with your pursuit. I am in a similar situation, but not for poker - for sports gambling. My problem is that even if I get to the books I want through circumventing the system (like you state), the fundamental landscape has changed with regards to HOW i make money sportsbetting.
Kind of like you where you have far less fish than in 2005, less ways to move money, more risk, more expense - I have the same thing in that I cant get 20 different lines for the same event, move money, more risk, more expense etc - it effectively defeats my ability to be profitable - or at least seriously cuts me off at the knees.
I wish you good luck - I know that there are tons out there like you - and I sincerely hope you are able to maintain the lifestyle you have carved out for you and your family and are unfairly being persecuted for. Luckily (and it is only luck really), I had about a 10 year run of favorable conditions which allowed me to save some money, so I will just sit out for a while and see if the weather changes.
GL
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Quote Originally Posted by IPartyALOT:
Its absolutely a "band aid" of sorts until hopefully (and I stress the word "hopefully) it all becomes legal someday soon.
Heres the thing, and I can only really get into my situation but online poker has been my primary source of income for about 4 years. It has enabled me to first off, get out of my old job I had that i HATED, and also its allowed me to work from home and be a huge part of my daughter life (have 50/50 custody now).
For me to just give up online would mean a lot of things. First off my time with my kid would go from 50% to about 15%, my bills will go up a lot (more gas, higher child support than I already pay, ya in my state at 50/50 the guy still has to pay), and turn back into that miserable SOB i was doing my old job lol.
The hope is to somehow get by the next year or two using this vpn and a friend of mines account in another country until it becomes legal. That is do-able I believe but the real thing that scares me is some of the "legalized" plans that theyre talking about, the "intrastate vs interstate" debate, some of these plans are just awful and will not even be close in bringing the game back to its pre-black friday status.
The dream is that it will become totally legal and we'll get another semi-boom like back in 2003 and also never having to worry about a "black friday" again. The games the last few years have gotten a lot tougher but not so much so that you can still make a living as long you keep working on your game. It becoming legal will allow so many recreational players to play with ease and comfort which will just be awesome
Well I kinda got going in another direction there but just wanted to give an example of what some of us are doing to try and still make it.
Also, what is your comment on 2p2?
GL with your pursuit. I am in a similar situation, but not for poker - for sports gambling. My problem is that even if I get to the books I want through circumventing the system (like you state), the fundamental landscape has changed with regards to HOW i make money sportsbetting.
Kind of like you where you have far less fish than in 2005, less ways to move money, more risk, more expense - I have the same thing in that I cant get 20 different lines for the same event, move money, more risk, more expense etc - it effectively defeats my ability to be profitable - or at least seriously cuts me off at the knees.
I wish you good luck - I know that there are tons out there like you - and I sincerely hope you are able to maintain the lifestyle you have carved out for you and your family and are unfairly being persecuted for. Luckily (and it is only luck really), I had about a 10 year run of favorable conditions which allowed me to save some money, so I will just sit out for a while and see if the weather changes.
GL with your pursuit. I am in a similar situation, but not for poker - for sports gambling. My problem is that even if I get to the books I want through circumventing the system (like you state), the fundamental landscape has changed with regards to HOW i make money sportsbetting.
Kind of like you where you have far less fish than in 2005, less ways to move money, more risk, more expense - I have the same thing in that I cant get 20 different lines for the same event, move money, more risk, more expense etc - it effectively defeats my ability to be profitable - or at least seriously cuts me off at the knees.
I wish you good luck - I know that there are tons out there like you - and I sincerely hope you are able to maintain the lifestyle you have carved out for you and your family and are unfairly being persecuted for. Luckily (and it is only luck really), I had about a 10 year run of favorable conditions which allowed me to save some money, so I will just sit out for a while and see if the weather changes.
GL
thx a lot bud, I'll update my "progress" as I go
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:
GL with your pursuit. I am in a similar situation, but not for poker - for sports gambling. My problem is that even if I get to the books I want through circumventing the system (like you state), the fundamental landscape has changed with regards to HOW i make money sportsbetting.
Kind of like you where you have far less fish than in 2005, less ways to move money, more risk, more expense - I have the same thing in that I cant get 20 different lines for the same event, move money, more risk, more expense etc - it effectively defeats my ability to be profitable - or at least seriously cuts me off at the knees.
I wish you good luck - I know that there are tons out there like you - and I sincerely hope you are able to maintain the lifestyle you have carved out for you and your family and are unfairly being persecuted for. Luckily (and it is only luck really), I had about a 10 year run of favorable conditions which allowed me to save some money, so I will just sit out for a while and see if the weather changes.
GL to both of you-I read this forum after Black Friday and it's a sad world we live in...Europe and such really are appealing-they never cared about nudity, take longer vacations, etc. We're too isolated here and we have all the resources...and things take time unless someone's motivated. They did build a key freeway bridge out here in 10 months because traffic is bad enough in LA...one of the only times I recall things went as they should.
So, morph and survive and when you stop wondering something may shock you...BOL
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GL to both of you-I read this forum after Black Friday and it's a sad world we live in...Europe and such really are appealing-they never cared about nudity, take longer vacations, etc. We're too isolated here and we have all the resources...and things take time unless someone's motivated. They did build a key freeway bridge out here in 10 months because traffic is bad enough in LA...one of the only times I recall things went as they should.
So, morph and survive and when you stop wondering something may shock you...BOL
All they are going to do is to drive the sports gambler to street bookies. It is hard to do a lot of damage to your life with an online book, because you have to deposit up front, but it is very easy to do a lot of damage with a street book, where you can bet money you don't have.
How can something that benefits street bookies and the mob be good for America?
And if this is a prelude to sports lotteries in the US, no thanks. I live close enough to Canada to know that you can't win money betting 3 team parlays at the equivalent of -140 juice.
You will never take gambling away, and this will only make the mob stronger if our government tries to do so. And betting on credit is a recipe for DISASTER. From personal experience, it ruined 15 years of my life due to ALWAYS owing MANY bookies.
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Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:
All they are going to do is to drive the sports gambler to street bookies. It is hard to do a lot of damage to your life with an online book, because you have to deposit up front, but it is very easy to do a lot of damage with a street book, where you can bet money you don't have.
How can something that benefits street bookies and the mob be good for America?
And if this is a prelude to sports lotteries in the US, no thanks. I live close enough to Canada to know that you can't win money betting 3 team parlays at the equivalent of -140 juice.
You will never take gambling away, and this will only make the mob stronger if our government tries to do so. And betting on credit is a recipe for DISASTER. From personal experience, it ruined 15 years of my life due to ALWAYS owing MANY bookies.
You will never take gambling away, and this will only make the mob stronger if our government tries to do so. And betting on credit is a recipe for DISASTER. From personal experience, it ruined 15 years of my life due to ALWAYS owing MANY bookies.
good post, been there
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Quote Originally Posted by wizardofroz:
You will never take gambling away, and this will only make the mob stronger if our government tries to do so. And betting on credit is a recipe for DISASTER. From personal experience, it ruined 15 years of my life due to ALWAYS owing MANY bookies.
Vanzack, great thread once again. I have actually done pretty well gambling on sports the last 5 years, and goverment interference is going to make it nearly impossible for me to continue to profit down the road.
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Vanzack, great thread once again. I have actually done pretty well gambling on sports the last 5 years, and goverment interference is going to make it nearly impossible for me to continue to profit down the road.
What are you still doing up? And if you keep okaying my posts, you may sucker me into actually liking you again, Electric Ladyland/ChanceP/LapdanceJockey.
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Quote Originally Posted by IPartyALOT:
good post, been there
What are you still doing up? And if you keep okaying my posts, you may sucker me into actually liking you again, Electric Ladyland/ChanceP/LapdanceJockey.
What are you still doing up? And if you keep okaying my posts, you may sucker me into actually liking you again, Electric Ladyland/ChanceP/LapdanceJockey.
Just got done watching "The Wrestler" with mickey rourke, good movie, kinda sad but good
Sent you a friend request, I wanna ask you something thru PM
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Quote Originally Posted by wizardofroz:
What are you still doing up? And if you keep okaying my posts, you may sucker me into actually liking you again, Electric Ladyland/ChanceP/LapdanceJockey.
Just got done watching "The Wrestler" with mickey rourke, good movie, kinda sad but good
Sent you a friend request, I wanna ask you something thru PM
The purpose of this thread was to tell you to keep your eyes and ears open.
Today is another brick in the wall.
Apparantly, it was only a domain grab. Bookmaker can be accessed at www.bmaker.ag .
But it sure seems obvious that this might not be the last move by the DOJ. Im sure they are not satisfied with the 10 domain names they grabbed today. It would seem logical that it was a first shot.
KEEP YOUR EYES AND EARS OPEN, THINGS ARE HAPPENING QUICKLY.
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The purpose of this thread was to tell you to keep your eyes and ears open.
Today is another brick in the wall.
Apparantly, it was only a domain grab. Bookmaker can be accessed at www.bmaker.ag .
But it sure seems obvious that this might not be the last move by the DOJ. Im sure they are not satisfied with the 10 domain names they grabbed today. It would seem logical that it was a first shot.
KEEP YOUR EYES AND EARS OPEN, THINGS ARE HAPPENING QUICKLY.
2+2
You will never take gambling away, and this will only make the mob stronger if our government tries to do so. And betting on credit is a recipe for DISASTER. From personal experience, it ruined 15 years of my life due to ALWAYS owing MANY bookies.
Vanzack, great thread once again. I have actually done pretty well gambling on sports the last 5 years, and goverment interference is going to make it nearly impossible for me to continue to profit down the road. 
What are you still doing up? And if you keep okaying my posts, you may sucker me into actually liking you again, Electric Ladyland/ChanceP/LapdanceJockey.
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