The end of online gambling is near

Yes, todays news from the poker world is bad.  No, it is worse than bad.

How bad?  Bad enough to potentially bring down the 3 top poker sites - Pokerstars and Full Tilt together swamp the online sports betting world in terms of volume.  So one can only assume that this is very bad for the extremely limited sports betting that is left out there for Americans.

The cliff notes are that Pokerstars, Ulitmate Bet, and Full Tilt were using undercover ways to fund and pay accounts in America.  They bought off bank presidents, bought banks outright, and used CC and WU methods that the DOJ deems illegal according to the UIGEA of 2006.  Indictments were handed out today, and no official word has come from the sites - but there is much speculation from very reliable sources that they will most likely shut down completely.  At best, they will remain open for non-Americans, but Americans poker playing days online are all but done.

I wonder what Negranu, Hellmuth, Ivey - and those other posers will do now - will they just make a cash grab and disappear or will they fight with the money they made on the backs of the players to get something done.  I wonder what this will do to the poker movement - it could go one way or the other - but what are the odds on a bunch of degenerates getting organized and getting something done?  Maybe the PPA will do something - I hope so.

Sounds similar to sports betting?  How do you think the few sportsbooks left out there will feel when they contemplate this knowing they do the same exact things to keep Americans?

The end is near my dear friends.  Sure there will always be places that will take wagers with extreme risks and non-transparancy to the bettor, but the days of trust are gone.  Any book can close at any time, your money could be gone at any book at any time. 

This is a big deal.  Some might say that online gambling for Americans couldnt get worse, but today it got enormously worse.  I have my own opinions about why this is happening - and those have to do with paving the way for inevitable legalization and taxation and knocking these guys out for financial gain - but that is just opinion and doesnt really matter.  The reality is that I wouldnt have a penny offshore now at any book that accepts Americans.  If you have money at Pinnacle or Betfair - you are probably fine - but unless you are willing to lose your money at any time, just sit out for a while.  Pokerstars and Fulltilt are in a different stratisphere compared to bookmaker and greek - if they can go (at least for Americans) then certainly anything can happen to those remaining.

Keep your eyes and ears open - things are happening quickly - stay on top of the news and stay on top of your balances.

Today, we went from being very cold to entering the ice age of online gambling.  The good news is, the ice always seems to melt eventually.

So you think it's time to cash out the sportsbook account eh?

Sportsinteraction.com claims that they are fully licensed and regulated in North America. Being that the US is part of North America I understand that to mean that you would be safe betting over there.

BTW - the simple fact that there is a huge "run on the bank" going on right now WORLDWIDE at these poker sites is enough to bring them down alone.

It is not only Americans withdrawing, it is everyone.

Today, we went from being very cold to entering the ice age of online gambling. The good news is, the ice always seems to melt eventually.

Only 20% of any massive floating iceberg is visible on the surface of the ocean.

Duely noted though.

This is so misinformed I dont even know where to begin.

But if you were betting at sportsinteraction to begin with, then I guess that explains it.

No, I don't. However, that is what they say on their site.

needless to say, i was pretty pissed off when i saw this headline and i don't ever play online poker.  

this may be a blessing in disguise

Ok I have a buzz and just re-read your post. Sounds the goddamn President of the US addressing the nation.

Explain.

I would like to hear your opinions on the future on online gaming if you have a sec. How long before there are "legal" sites run in the US for both poker/sports betting. What states are likely to get the first opportunity? Will the vegas casinos get into the online game? Seems like they would have instant credibility. I would also think that if one could gain some info there would be lots of money to be made buying the stock of the first few sites (if applicable).

Canada is not the 51st state.

You think this is really to protect the corporate casinos?

obama and holder are to blame..

VOTE THE FASCIST FUCKS, OUT!!!

 

North America = Canada?

What should we do Mr. President Vanzack?

Poker certainly is first, and I dont think that far away.  That is what has me thinking that this was simply a "paving the way" for corporate casinos to have a clean slate, and make a huge cash grab in the process.

Corporate (vegas) casinos will be in the online licensed poker business in 3 years IMO.  I would say those odds are about -150.  Sports betting has a long way to go and will be far far behind poker.  We might be entering a dark age for sportsbetting - it might be a long time before things return to where they were in 2005.  Sportsbook bettors are not organized, but the leagues and lawmakers are - there is a lot that has to happen before this happens.

But poker is closer than ever in my opinion - and in a strange way this news is just confirmation of that IMO.

Keep in mind - I know nothing.  I just have opinions on what I see and what I hear.  These are not facts, when I state something as opinion it is simply that.

Yes.

UIGEA of 2006

Move to Canada.

there has been much talk of legalizing online gambling, there are some representatives that want this to happen, and maybe this is what the final outcome will be after all this is done. It would be much nicer knowing that our money is safe and the games are closely monitored here in the US. Who knows, maybe I am dead wrong, but I would hope that our government would realize the amount of money that is being left on the table that they could be receiving by taxing and regulating the industry.

United States doesnt = Canada

 

Get it?

- The US DOJ has no jurisdiction over Canadians.... only affects American bettors - North America includes both- probably sportsinteraction.com's angle...