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    Bodogjoe
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    Posted: Jul. 28, 2011 - 10:03 PM ET #101

    god iam a 1 to 5 player on on line sports  play parlays to win say 25 to 50 bucks on 5 to 6 way parlays or bet 5 to 10 on a game spend about 150 to 200 a yr dollars that all is this problem gambling?  somebody tell me!! i need to know i think i have set a limit and i dont go over it!!! again is this a degenerate gambler??
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    god iam a 1 to 5 player on on line sports  play parlays to win say 25 to 50 bucks on 5 to 6 way parlays or bet 5 to 10 on a game spend about 150 to 200 a yr dollars that all is this problem gambling?  somebody tell me!! i need to know i think i have set a limit and i dont go over it!!! again is this a degenerate gambler??
     
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    Posted: Jul. 28, 2011 - 10:07 PM ET #102

    god iam a 1 to 5 player on on line sports  play parlays to win say 25 to 50 bucks on 5 to 6 way parlays or bet 5 to 10 on a game spend about 150 to 200 a yr dollars that all is this problem gambling?  somebody tell me!! i need to know i think i have set a limit and i dont go over it!!! again is this a degenerate gambler??
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    god iam a 1 to 5 player on on line sports  play parlays to win say 25 to 50 bucks on 5 to 6 way parlays or bet 5 to 10 on a game spend about 150 to 200 a yr dollars that all is this problem gambling?  somebody tell me!! i need to know i think i have set a limit and i dont go over it!!! again is this a degenerate gambler??
     
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    Posted: Jul. 28, 2011 - 10:26 PM ET #103

    bodogjoe, you are a 1 to 5 player on on line sports and you play 5 to 6 way parlays to win 25 to 50 bucks and you spend 150 - 200 dollars a year.

    what the fuck.

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    bodogjoe, you are a 1 to 5 player on on line sports and you play 5 to 6 way parlays to win 25 to 50 bucks and you spend 150 - 200 dollars a year.

    what the fuck.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 29, 2011 - 12:37 AM ET #104

    Kap,

    Just play the Carib or Hilton or some other Football contests with a one-time entry fee, but still a chance for weekly action, check the standings and an opportunity to win some decent cash.

    It sets a limit on your losses but gives you action all year. Fun.

    Or walk away from it altogether. It's not worth risking a family.

    We are not better men because we can predict the outcome a stupid sporting event. 

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    Kap,

    Just play the Carib or Hilton or some other Football contests with a one-time entry fee, but still a chance for weekly action, check the standings and an opportunity to win some decent cash.

    It sets a limit on your losses but gives you action all year. Fun.

    Or walk away from it altogether. It's not worth risking a family.

    We are not better men because we can predict the outcome a stupid sporting event. 

     
    I_Need_A_Detox
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    Posted: Jul. 29, 2011 - 1:07 AM ET #105

     im not sure what kind of girl your wife is ... but if you really do love her and she's a good girl than you should cut the shit.

    it's all addiction. just because you have a degree in psychology does not mean that you can treat yourself. messier11 probably gave the best advice ... the right GA meetings would probably help you the most.

    best of luck with the wife and baby kap .... i can tell you're a good dude from the way people responded to you.

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     im not sure what kind of girl your wife is ... but if you really do love her and she's a good girl than you should cut the shit.

    it's all addiction. just because you have a degree in psychology does not mean that you can treat yourself. messier11 probably gave the best advice ... the right GA meetings would probably help you the most.

    best of luck with the wife and baby kap .... i can tell you're a good dude from the way people responded to you.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 29, 2011 - 1:43 AM ET #106

    Kap, first off congrats to you and your wife on having a baby

     

    I dont know how long you have been gambling for, but i have been doing this shit for 30 years and everyday when am placing my bets, i say to myself, why did i ever have to get this very bad habit. Why couldnt have i got interested in some other hobby?

    I grew up with gambling all around me, so it was tough not to fall right into it.  I was around bookies all my life, even answering the phones for many years for some very big operations.  One of the biggest things i learned while working the phones is, the bettors almost always lose, no matter what guys on here say. Unless your in that 5-10 percent group of bettors who win, all your doing is wasting time and money gambling everyday.

    In those 30 years i have had good years and i have had bad years.

    Now i cant walk away from this shit, because its to in grained in my life, but my advice to you is, if you can stop gambling for a year, dont come back to this shit after the year is up because no matter how much you think you will be more disciplined with your money and believe you wont get buried again, it will happen again and again. Its human nature for bettors to start chasing when they fall behind. Move onto a differnt chapter in your life and save your money from this bad habit. In 20 years, you will be thanking me for this advice.

    Gambling is just way to stressful and really does take years off your life.  Gamblers have the number one suicide rate.

    Lastly dont even bother making mind bets, because all that will do is cause you to lose your mind.

     

    Take care and good luck with whatever you do my friend

    cd

     

    p.s. if after a years time away and you still want to gamble, then just enter contests like the hilton etc etc, because the truth is if you cant hit a decent win percent in those contests, then you really werent gonna win betting single plays.  I won a 25k one in 2004, great feeling.

    Carib has a good contest for 250 for the year.

     

    But like i said before, walk away and in 20 years you will have so much money you wont know what to do with it. {you could always send me some then}

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    Kap, first off congrats to you and your wife on having a baby

     

    I dont know how long you have been gambling for, but i have been doing this shit for 30 years and everyday when am placing my bets, i say to myself, why did i ever have to get this very bad habit. Why couldnt have i got interested in some other hobby?

    I grew up with gambling all around me, so it was tough not to fall right into it.  I was around bookies all my life, even answering the phones for many years for some very big operations.  One of the biggest things i learned while working the phones is, the bettors almost always lose, no matter what guys on here say. Unless your in that 5-10 percent group of bettors who win, all your doing is wasting time and money gambling everyday.

    In those 30 years i have had good years and i have had bad years.

    Now i cant walk away from this shit, because its to in grained in my life, but my advice to you is, if you can stop gambling for a year, dont come back to this shit after the year is up because no matter how much you think you will be more disciplined with your money and believe you wont get buried again, it will happen again and again. Its human nature for bettors to start chasing when they fall behind. Move onto a differnt chapter in your life and save your money from this bad habit. In 20 years, you will be thanking me for this advice.

    Gambling is just way to stressful and really does take years off your life.  Gamblers have the number one suicide rate.

    Lastly dont even bother making mind bets, because all that will do is cause you to lose your mind.

     

    Take care and good luck with whatever you do my friend

    cd

     

    p.s. if after a years time away and you still want to gamble, then just enter contests like the hilton etc etc, because the truth is if you cant hit a decent win percent in those contests, then you really werent gonna win betting single plays.  I won a 25k one in 2004, great feeling.

    Carib has a good contest for 250 for the year.

     

    But like i said before, walk away and in 20 years you will have so much money you wont know what to do with it. {you could always send me some then}

     
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    Posted: Jul. 29, 2011 - 1:48 AM ET #107

    Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

    Kap, first off congrats to you and your wife on having a baby

     

    I dont know how long you have been gambling for, but i have been doing this shit for 30 years and everyday when am placing my bets, i say to myself, why did i ever have to get this very bad habit. Why couldnt have i got interested in some other hobby?

    I grew up with gambling all around me, so it was tough not to fall right into it.  I was around bookies all my life, even answering the phones for many years for some very big operations.  One of the biggest things i learned while working the phones is, the bettors almost always lose, no matter what guys on here say. Unless your in that 5-10 percent group of bettors who win, all your doing is wasting time and money gambling everyday.

    In those 30 years i have had good years and i have had bad years.

    Now i cant walk away from this shit, because its to in grained in my life, but my advice to you is, if you can stop gambling for a year, dont come back to this shit after the year is up because no matter how much you think you will be more disciplined with your money and believe you wont get buried again, it will happen again and again. Its human nature for bettors to start chasing when they fall behind. Move onto a differnt chapter in your life and save your money from this bad habit. In 20 years, you will be thanking me for this advice.

    Gambling is just way to stressful and really does take years off your life.  Gamblers have the number one suicide rate.

    Lastly dont even bother making mind bets, because all that will do is cause you to lose your mind.

     

    Take care and good luck with whatever you do my friend

    cd

     

    p.s. if after a years time away and you still want to gamble, then just enter contests like the hilton etc etc, because the truth is if you cant hit a decent win percent in those contests, then you really werent gonna win betting single plays.  I won a 25k one in 2004, great feeling.

    Carib has a good contest for 250 for the year.

     

    But like i said before, walk away and in 20 years you will have so much money you wont know what to do with it. {you could always send me some then}

    well said man

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    Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

    Kap, first off congrats to you and your wife on having a baby

     

    I dont know how long you have been gambling for, but i have been doing this shit for 30 years and everyday when am placing my bets, i say to myself, why did i ever have to get this very bad habit. Why couldnt have i got interested in some other hobby?

    I grew up with gambling all around me, so it was tough not to fall right into it.  I was around bookies all my life, even answering the phones for many years for some very big operations.  One of the biggest things i learned while working the phones is, the bettors almost always lose, no matter what guys on here say. Unless your in that 5-10 percent group of bettors who win, all your doing is wasting time and money gambling everyday.

    In those 30 years i have had good years and i have had bad years.

    Now i cant walk away from this shit, because its to in grained in my life, but my advice to you is, if you can stop gambling for a year, dont come back to this shit after the year is up because no matter how much you think you will be more disciplined with your money and believe you wont get buried again, it will happen again and again. Its human nature for bettors to start chasing when they fall behind. Move onto a differnt chapter in your life and save your money from this bad habit. In 20 years, you will be thanking me for this advice.

    Gambling is just way to stressful and really does take years off your life.  Gamblers have the number one suicide rate.

    Lastly dont even bother making mind bets, because all that will do is cause you to lose your mind.

     

    Take care and good luck with whatever you do my friend

    cd

     

    p.s. if after a years time away and you still want to gamble, then just enter contests like the hilton etc etc, because the truth is if you cant hit a decent win percent in those contests, then you really werent gonna win betting single plays.  I won a 25k one in 2004, great feeling.

    Carib has a good contest for 250 for the year.

     

    But like i said before, walk away and in 20 years you will have so much money you wont know what to do with it. {you could always send me some then}

    well said man

     
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    Posted: Aug. 3, 2011 - 3:02 PM ET #108

    First off congrats again on the child, you are going to be an awesome dad. 


    I  have gambled with you for 4 straight years in Vegas during March Madness. You don't have a problem, maybe a slight addiction but we all have that in us.  You just made a mistake chasing and we've discussed this many times, it can be dangerous and in the long run you need to stay away from it.  You've always made good decisions in Vegas with money management when I've been around. 


    Taking a break from Gambling is a good thing, but I think throwing $20-$75 on a Fantasy Football team should be allowed. 

    Since you're a SF Giants fan the MLB package shouldn't matter because I'm sure they are on regular cable where you live.

    I hope you still post plays just for the heck of it.  It won't be the same without your in-depth analysis of UCLA




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    First off congrats again on the child, you are going to be an awesome dad. 


    I  have gambled with you for 4 straight years in Vegas during March Madness. You don't have a problem, maybe a slight addiction but we all have that in us.  You just made a mistake chasing and we've discussed this many times, it can be dangerous and in the long run you need to stay away from it.  You've always made good decisions in Vegas with money management when I've been around. 


    Taking a break from Gambling is a good thing, but I think throwing $20-$75 on a Fantasy Football team should be allowed. 

    Since you're a SF Giants fan the MLB package shouldn't matter because I'm sure they are on regular cable where you live.

    I hope you still post plays just for the heck of it.  It won't be the same without your in-depth analysis of UCLA




     
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    Russian novelist Dostoevsky was a confirmed gambler, he wrote his novels under the pressure of mounting bills, and his gambling served to increase the pressure. Though the narrator of The Gambler, his partly biographical novel, Dostoevsky describes an initial depression at the sordidness of the casino, the oppressiveness of the crowd within, and the seriousness with which the gamblers concentrate on the spin of the wheel and the fate of their stakes. Forced into gambling by the need to make money, he at first succeeds and describes the irrational feeling of power which winning induces. Later he encounters a losing run but nevertheless discovers a sense of infallibility, a certainty that he cannot continue to lose indefinitely. He bets recklessly and loses his entire capital. Dostoevsky then describes the overwhelming excitement provoked by the stupid loss of a large sum. It is perhaps this reaction which distinguishes the pathological gambler: the winning or losing becomes subordinate to the thrill of gambling. The gambler in Dostoevsky's story retains his faith in his infallibility and continues to gamble with borrowed money in the certainly that he will eventually win. Most forum members would occasionally experience this superstitious feeling of uniqueness, a belief that natural mathamatical laws do not apply to them. A trait of the consumed gambler that such awareness is allowed to color their whole personality and risk everything on the basis of it.

    When Jack Dempsey fought Jess Willard for the world title in 1919, Dempsey bet his purse of $10,000 at odds of 10-1 that he would beat Willard in the first round. Willard was down seven times in the opening round and took the full count. Dempsey left the ring, but his joy of winning $100,000 was short-lived: the time keeper pointed out that when a new ring canvas had been laid the bell had been muted, and that "time" had saved Willard. Dempsey returned to knock out Willard in the the 3rd round and win the title, but lost his bet. John 'Bet-A-Million' Gates made money with a barbed-wire factory, was head of a steel corp. plunged successfully into Wall St, and became a multi-millionaire. He would bet anything, provided he thought the odds were in his favor. He once won $20,000 on a train journey betting on raindrops running down a window pane. He was given his nickname of "Bet-A-Millions" after a race-track official had asked him to limit his bets to $10,000. Insulted, he immediately offered to bet a million dollars on a horse if anybody would take the bet. Nobody did.

    The sentence 'He staked a fortune on the turn of a card' crystallizes gambling for all of us. To some outside the industry it suggests foolishness and irresponsibility, to us it has the same appeal as a James Bond film: there are overtones of nerves, romance, sex, the high life. In short, it means either dissipation or glamor. A card player, Nico Zographos, was the head of the Greek syndicate, with three other original members. In the early 1920s, Nico announced "Tout va" meaning that there was no limit. Nico was prepared to cover any bet that anybody wanted to make. He thus pitted the entire wealth of the syndicate against the worlds best gamblers. Nico was an intellectual, the son of a Greek professor of Political Economy. His card counting was superb. At baccarat, when six packs (312 cards) were dealt from a shoe until less than nine cards remain, the nine cards left at the end, Nico could more often than not name them. The syndicate took on the worlds most famous gamblers, winning and losing huge amounts, sometimes being nearly broke, others millionaires. Nico won a fortune from Andre Citroen, a French motor-car manufacturer, when he temporarily took control of Citroen's factory in the 1920s after Andre lost 13 million francs to Nico in one session. Andre's wife, like yours Kapono, got involved, gatecrashed the baccarat room, and pleaded with Nico not to play her husband anymore, which Nico did. Over the year, Andre lost thirty million francs to Nico, and eventually lost his business. A rich American once offered to play Nico one hand of bacarrat for a million francs, Nico suggested the best of three hands. The wager was made, Nico lost the first hand, then won the next two hands and the bet. The syndicate was honest, a Chilean finance minister once won 17 million francs from Nico, and offered to play double or quits. For the first time Nico was forced to refuse a bet, and payed up. Nico even lost heavy for a long time, and got down to his last million. This last million bankroll were on stake on one coup, in which Nico's first two cards were worth exactly nothing (King of Hearts, Queen of Spades). When Nico drew his third card and turned it over, it was the Nine of Diamonds, the best Nico could have drawn. He won and made the Nine of Diamonds his personal emblem. Nico put it on his cufflinks, yacht...everything. The syndicate was never again in danger, and it still operates today, with new members.

    The urge to gamble is something more than desire to get something for nothing - there is an excitement about backing ones judgment or hunch, and allowing either elation or despair to follow a speculation on an uncertain event. Nobody can avoid gambling since nobody can tell the future. When marrying, one gambles one's happiness. Even to choose not to marry is to gamble that this will prove to be the better course. Insurance companies gamble with each policy. Insurance companies rarely go bankrupt, because of the skill of their actuaries. In other gambles, skill and judgment are irrelevant- these might be seen as true or pure gambles. Betting the toss of a coin is a true gamble. Gambling may not be a human need in the class as food, shelter or sex, but its practice is remarkably universal. Thomas Jefferson said "Information is the currency of a democracy." You haven't dropped a dime of the real national currency by virtue of the manner in which you have put your wife above all, and presented her with honest information. While you may live with a non-gambling wife, she might just pull off a 15-1 shot in having four daughters in four attempts, representing the four season that will pass in your exile from wagering.

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    Russian novelist Dostoevsky was a confirmed gambler, he wrote his novels under the pressure of mounting bills, and his gambling served to increase the pressure. Though the narrator of The Gambler, his partly biographical novel, Dostoevsky describes an initial depression at the sordidness of the casino, the oppressiveness of the crowd within, and the seriousness with which the gamblers concentrate on the spin of the wheel and the fate of their stakes. Forced into gambling by the need to make money, he at first succeeds and describes the irrational feeling of power which winning induces. Later he encounters a losing run but nevertheless discovers a sense of infallibility, a certainty that he cannot continue to lose indefinitely. He bets recklessly and loses his entire capital. Dostoevsky then describes the overwhelming excitement provoked by the stupid loss of a large sum. It is perhaps this reaction which distinguishes the pathological gambler: the winning or losing becomes subordinate to the thrill of gambling. The gambler in Dostoevsky's story retains his faith in his infallibility and continues to gamble with borrowed money in the certainly that he will eventually win. Most forum members would occasionally experience this superstitious feeling of uniqueness, a belief that natural mathamatical laws do not apply to them. A trait of the consumed gambler that such awareness is allowed to color their whole personality and risk everything on the basis of it.

    When Jack Dempsey fought Jess Willard for the world title in 1919, Dempsey bet his purse of $10,000 at odds of 10-1 that he would beat Willard in the first round. Willard was down seven times in the opening round and took the full count. Dempsey left the ring, but his joy of winning $100,000 was short-lived: the time keeper pointed out that when a new ring canvas had been laid the bell had been muted, and that "time" had saved Willard. Dempsey returned to knock out Willard in the the 3rd round and win the title, but lost his bet. John 'Bet-A-Million' Gates made money with a barbed-wire factory, was head of a steel corp. plunged successfully into Wall St, and became a multi-millionaire. He would bet anything, provided he thought the odds were in his favor. He once won $20,000 on a train journey betting on raindrops running down a window pane. He was given his nickname of "Bet-A-Millions" after a race-track official had asked him to limit his bets to $10,000. Insulted, he immediately offered to bet a million dollars on a horse if anybody would take the bet. Nobody did.

    The sentence 'He staked a fortune on the turn of a card' crystallizes gambling for all of us. To some outside the industry it suggests foolishness and irresponsibility, to us it has the same appeal as a James Bond film: there are overtones of nerves, romance, sex, the high life. In short, it means either dissipation or glamor. A card player, Nico Zographos, was the head of the Greek syndicate, with three other original members. In the early 1920s, Nico announced "Tout va" meaning that there was no limit. Nico was prepared to cover any bet that anybody wanted to make. He thus pitted the entire wealth of the syndicate against the worlds best gamblers. Nico was an intellectual, the son of a Greek professor of Political Economy. His card counting was superb. At baccarat, when six packs (312 cards) were dealt from a shoe until less than nine cards remain, the nine cards left at the end, Nico could more often than not name them. The syndicate took on the worlds most famous gamblers, winning and losing huge amounts, sometimes being nearly broke, others millionaires. Nico won a fortune from Andre Citroen, a French motor-car manufacturer, when he temporarily took control of Citroen's factory in the 1920s after Andre lost 13 million francs to Nico in one session. Andre's wife, like yours Kapono, got involved, gatecrashed the baccarat room, and pleaded with Nico not to play her husband anymore, which Nico did. Over the year, Andre lost thirty million francs to Nico, and eventually lost his business. A rich American once offered to play Nico one hand of bacarrat for a million francs, Nico suggested the best of three hands. The wager was made, Nico lost the first hand, then won the next two hands and the bet. The syndicate was honest, a Chilean finance minister once won 17 million francs from Nico, and offered to play double or quits. For the first time Nico was forced to refuse a bet, and payed up. Nico even lost heavy for a long time, and got down to his last million. This last million bankroll were on stake on one coup, in which Nico's first two cards were worth exactly nothing (King of Hearts, Queen of Spades). When Nico drew his third card and turned it over, it was the Nine of Diamonds, the best Nico could have drawn. He won and made the Nine of Diamonds his personal emblem. Nico put it on his cufflinks, yacht...everything. The syndicate was never again in danger, and it still operates today, with new members.

    The urge to gamble is something more than desire to get something for nothing - there is an excitement about backing ones judgment or hunch, and allowing either elation or despair to follow a speculation on an uncertain event. Nobody can avoid gambling since nobody can tell the future. When marrying, one gambles one's happiness. Even to choose not to marry is to gamble that this will prove to be the better course. Insurance companies gamble with each policy. Insurance companies rarely go bankrupt, because of the skill of their actuaries. In other gambles, skill and judgment are irrelevant- these might be seen as true or pure gambles. Betting the toss of a coin is a true gamble. Gambling may not be a human need in the class as food, shelter or sex, but its practice is remarkably universal. Thomas Jefferson said "Information is the currency of a democracy." You haven't dropped a dime of the real national currency by virtue of the manner in which you have put your wife above all, and presented her with honest information. While you may live with a non-gambling wife, she might just pull off a 15-1 shot in having four daughters in four attempts, representing the four season that will pass in your exile from wagering.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    Beginning today, July 27, 2011. Here's the story.

    Got in deep with my local for more money than I probably should have -- chased like a bitch, knew better, but still did it because (like most of us) I'm a degenerate. I am able to pay him off in one lump sum from my savings account, but had to tell the wife about it because that amount of money I need to pay my local today would be greatly noticed once it is missing from our joint accounts. Wife was obviously pissed, didn't know I had a bookie that I was playing with on credit (although I think she probably should have known given that she knew I withdrew all my money from offshore sites after the BetEd fiasco).

    Wife is now absolutely worried that I am an addict (this isn't the first time that gambling has been a discussion with us) and, unless I can prove to her that I am not, she will never feel confident in our financial future together. This is all compounded by the fact that we just found out about 2 months ago that Ms. Kap is pregnant for the first time. We decided to try and BAM, I nailed that shit on the first fucking try, no joke. With a potential baby on the way, Ms. Kap is understandably concerned. She said she will have her trust restored in me if I go 365 days without gambling -- which she includes fantasy sports, which I think is NOT gambling, but that's another story -- and if I agree to go to 12 sessions of addiction counseling. If I won't do the addiction counseling, she wants to go to marital therapy.

    I have a degree in psychology, so I don't exactly feel like I need any sort of counseling. I let shit get out of hand, I acknowledge it, and I recognize it. I know what a counselor would tell me, I know what they look for, etc.. Nevertheless, I agreed to do it to help ensure future marital tranquility.

    I'll still be hanging around the P-Box, GD, and Politics tabs, but I definitely won't be posting plays. This may be a blessing in disguise though, as I can truly try to improve my capping during this downtime and won't be risking any real funds.

    Just wanted to put it out there, maybe some others can learn from my story. What would you guys do if you were in my situation and your wife requested you do the same?



    I've had to do the same in the past.  Now after all the shit going down with HLS and the DOJ, I'm not playing online anymore.  Smart move either way getting out.

    Taking an extended break from wagering I think will help you in the long run.  

    In the meantime, you will have some more free time on your hands.  Enjoy the time preparing for your child. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    Beginning today, July 27, 2011. Here's the story.

    Got in deep with my local for more money than I probably should have -- chased like a bitch, knew better, but still did it because (like most of us) I'm a degenerate. I am able to pay him off in one lump sum from my savings account, but had to tell the wife about it because that amount of money I need to pay my local today would be greatly noticed once it is missing from our joint accounts. Wife was obviously pissed, didn't know I had a bookie that I was playing with on credit (although I think she probably should have known given that she knew I withdrew all my money from offshore sites after the BetEd fiasco).

    Wife is now absolutely worried that I am an addict (this isn't the first time that gambling has been a discussion with us) and, unless I can prove to her that I am not, she will never feel confident in our financial future together. This is all compounded by the fact that we just found out about 2 months ago that Ms. Kap is pregnant for the first time. We decided to try and BAM, I nailed that shit on the first fucking try, no joke. With a potential baby on the way, Ms. Kap is understandably concerned. She said she will have her trust restored in me if I go 365 days without gambling -- which she includes fantasy sports, which I think is NOT gambling, but that's another story -- and if I agree to go to 12 sessions of addiction counseling. If I won't do the addiction counseling, she wants to go to marital therapy.

    I have a degree in psychology, so I don't exactly feel like I need any sort of counseling. I let shit get out of hand, I acknowledge it, and I recognize it. I know what a counselor would tell me, I know what they look for, etc.. Nevertheless, I agreed to do it to help ensure future marital tranquility.

    I'll still be hanging around the P-Box, GD, and Politics tabs, but I definitely won't be posting plays. This may be a blessing in disguise though, as I can truly try to improve my capping during this downtime and won't be risking any real funds.

    Just wanted to put it out there, maybe some others can learn from my story. What would you guys do if you were in my situation and your wife requested you do the same?



    I've had to do the same in the past.  Now after all the shit going down with HLS and the DOJ, I'm not playing online anymore.  Smart move either way getting out.

    Taking an extended break from wagering I think will help you in the long run.  

    In the meantime, you will have some more free time on your hands.  Enjoy the time preparing for your child. 
     
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    Kap,
    I just found this thread.  
    A) congrats on baby
    B) sorry to hear about your money management issues

    I think everything posted in here is pretty spot on.  You have a ton of opinions, but obviously only you will be able to decide what to do. 

    My trick with the girl was to bring her into the gambling.  I explained the lines and why I wager certain games.  I showed her my money management system and how I would need to lose 20+ games in a row to be "bankrupt".  I am honest, and try to do something nice for her whenever I cash out.   
    Your wife is obviously intelligent, and intelligent people can see the benefits from a risk/reward perspective.  

    But perhaps a year is needed to strengthen money management and discipline?  

    Much respect buddy,
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    Kap,
    I just found this thread.  
    A) congrats on baby
    B) sorry to hear about your money management issues

    I think everything posted in here is pretty spot on.  You have a ton of opinions, but obviously only you will be able to decide what to do. 

    My trick with the girl was to bring her into the gambling.  I explained the lines and why I wager certain games.  I showed her my money management system and how I would need to lose 20+ games in a row to be "bankrupt".  I am honest, and try to do something nice for her whenever I cash out.   
    Your wife is obviously intelligent, and intelligent people can see the benefits from a risk/reward perspective.  

    But perhaps a year is needed to strengthen money management and discipline?  

    Much respect buddy,
    CT
     
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    Places to practice while you're taking a break.    


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    I've been through all this myself, Kap.


    But... I had drugs & alcohol in the mix as well. 

     

    I just came clean to my wife about 2 months ago that I've started gambling again.  She was more happy in the honesty, but worried I was using & drinking again.  And since I've been winning instead of losing, it does make things better.  But still, it ain't right.  She doesn't want me to gamble anymore, even though I am winning.  So she's pretty "covered her eyes" per say about the situation...


    I had to break it down to her that this actually keeps me sober. 


    I'm not using nor drinking (just celebrated 18 months clean time recently - take it 1 day @ a time) and I've actually been doing extremely well these past couple months, wagering on games clean & sober.


    I have a routine I follow every morning, even on the weekends, and that involves sports handicapping as well.  I'm the first one up in the family (have a wife, 2 year old, and the wife is 10 weeks pregnant with our 2nd child) so I get the first 2 hours of the day to myself.  I'm an early bird.  I'm up @ 4am on the weekdays, 5am on the weekends.


    I think I'm getting a little off track here...  Oh, yea, anyways, what I'm trying to say Kap is what others have said... the family comes first. 

    You know deep down inside that's the right answer.  For those who aren't married, let me break down a very important way of living when you do get married:


    Happy Wife  =  Happy Life


    Keep the Mrs. happy and you can do whatever the fuck you want.

     

    I've been with the same woman for almost 11 years now.  I've put her through hell and back on multiple occassions, and I'm lucky she's stayed put.  She's down for me.  She's got my back 100%.  You don't wanna ruin that, Kap.


    Take the time off buddy.  Enjoy it.


    Hopefully Ms. Kap does allow you to play Fantasy games...

     

    Regards,
    GiL

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    I've been through all this myself, Kap.


    But... I had drugs & alcohol in the mix as well. 

     

    I just came clean to my wife about 2 months ago that I've started gambling again.  She was more happy in the honesty, but worried I was using & drinking again.  And since I've been winning instead of losing, it does make things better.  But still, it ain't right.  She doesn't want me to gamble anymore, even though I am winning.  So she's pretty "covered her eyes" per say about the situation...


    I had to break it down to her that this actually keeps me sober. 


    I'm not using nor drinking (just celebrated 18 months clean time recently - take it 1 day @ a time) and I've actually been doing extremely well these past couple months, wagering on games clean & sober.


    I have a routine I follow every morning, even on the weekends, and that involves sports handicapping as well.  I'm the first one up in the family (have a wife, 2 year old, and the wife is 10 weeks pregnant with our 2nd child) so I get the first 2 hours of the day to myself.  I'm an early bird.  I'm up @ 4am on the weekdays, 5am on the weekends.


    I think I'm getting a little off track here...  Oh, yea, anyways, what I'm trying to say Kap is what others have said... the family comes first. 

    You know deep down inside that's the right answer.  For those who aren't married, let me break down a very important way of living when you do get married:


    Happy Wife  =  Happy Life


    Keep the Mrs. happy and you can do whatever the fuck you want.

     

    I've been with the same woman for almost 11 years now.  I've put her through hell and back on multiple occassions, and I'm lucky she's stayed put.  She's down for me.  She's got my back 100%.  You don't wanna ruin that, Kap.


    Take the time off buddy.  Enjoy it.


    Hopefully Ms. Kap does allow you to play Fantasy games...

     

    Regards,
    GiL

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    Beginning today, July 27, 2011. Here's the story.

    Got in deep with my local for more money than I probably should have -- chased like a bitch, knew better, but still did it because (like most of us) I'm a degenerate. I am able to pay him off in one lump sum from my savings account, but had to tell the wife about it because that amount of money I need to pay my local today would be greatly noticed once it is missing from our joint accounts. Wife was obviously pissed, didn't know I had a bookie that I was playing with on credit (although I think she probably should have known given that she knew I withdrew all my money from offshore sites after the BetEd fiasco).

    Wife is now absolutely worried that I am an addict (this isn't the first time that gambling has been a discussion with us) and, unless I can prove to her that I am not, she will never feel confident in our financial future together. This is all compounded by the fact that we just found out about 2 months ago that Ms. Kap is pregnant for the first time. We decided to try and BAM, I nailed that shit on the first fucking try, no joke. With a potential baby on the way, Ms. Kap is understandably concerned. She said she will have her trust restored in me if I go 365 days without gambling -- which she includes fantasy sports, which I think is NOT gambling, but that's another story -- and if I agree to go to 12 sessions of addiction counseling. If I won't do the addiction counseling, she wants to go to marital therapy.

    denial.  Sure, you're not risking funds, but you would still feel "connected" to sports gambling.  Why put yourself that close to temptation?

    I have a degree in psychology, so I don't exactly feel like I need any sort of counseling. I let shit get out of hand, I acknowledge it, and I recognize it. I know what a counselor would tell me, I know what they look for, etc.. Nevertheless, I agreed to do it to help ensure future marital tranquility.

    denial.  "I don't need help.  I've got it under control.  I just slipped up a little."  Sounds like something a junkie would say, frankly.

    I'll still be hanging around the P-Box, GD, and Politics tabs, but I definitely won't be posting plays. This may be a blessing in disguise though, as I can truly try to improve my capping during this downtime and won't be risking any real funds.

    Don't do this to yourself, bro.  This is a gambling website.  Almost everything about this place will tempt you to gamble.  The ads, the picks, hell even seeing the sports forums right beside GD and Politics will tempt you to click them.  And  you'll tell yourself, "I'll just see what people are playing - out of curiosity."  Next thing you know, you're checking out somebody's "lock" and capping it yourself.

    Just wanted to put it out there, maybe some others can learn from my story. What would you guys do if you were in my situation and your wife requested you do the same?





    Sorry for your situation. I can relate a little bit.  I've never not been able to pay my bills, but I've gotten drunk and called in losers for 10x my normal stake.  I just hate to see a long-time covers brother fake himself out like this.  Just take a total break from sports for a while.  Good luck, buddy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    Beginning today, July 27, 2011. Here's the story.

    Got in deep with my local for more money than I probably should have -- chased like a bitch, knew better, but still did it because (like most of us) I'm a degenerate. I am able to pay him off in one lump sum from my savings account, but had to tell the wife about it because that amount of money I need to pay my local today would be greatly noticed once it is missing from our joint accounts. Wife was obviously pissed, didn't know I had a bookie that I was playing with on credit (although I think she probably should have known given that she knew I withdrew all my money from offshore sites after the BetEd fiasco).

    Wife is now absolutely worried that I am an addict (this isn't the first time that gambling has been a discussion with us) and, unless I can prove to her that I am not, she will never feel confident in our financial future together. This is all compounded by the fact that we just found out about 2 months ago that Ms. Kap is pregnant for the first time. We decided to try and BAM, I nailed that shit on the first fucking try, no joke. With a potential baby on the way, Ms. Kap is understandably concerned. She said she will have her trust restored in me if I go 365 days without gambling -- which she includes fantasy sports, which I think is NOT gambling, but that's another story -- and if I agree to go to 12 sessions of addiction counseling. If I won't do the addiction counseling, she wants to go to marital therapy.

    denial.  Sure, you're not risking funds, but you would still feel "connected" to sports gambling.  Why put yourself that close to temptation?

    I have a degree in psychology, so I don't exactly feel like I need any sort of counseling. I let shit get out of hand, I acknowledge it, and I recognize it. I know what a counselor would tell me, I know what they look for, etc.. Nevertheless, I agreed to do it to help ensure future marital tranquility.

    denial.  "I don't need help.  I've got it under control.  I just slipped up a little."  Sounds like something a junkie would say, frankly.

    I'll still be hanging around the P-Box, GD, and Politics tabs, but I definitely won't be posting plays. This may be a blessing in disguise though, as I can truly try to improve my capping during this downtime and won't be risking any real funds.

    Don't do this to yourself, bro.  This is a gambling website.  Almost everything about this place will tempt you to gamble.  The ads, the picks, hell even seeing the sports forums right beside GD and Politics will tempt you to click them.  And  you'll tell yourself, "I'll just see what people are playing - out of curiosity."  Next thing you know, you're checking out somebody's "lock" and capping it yourself.

    Just wanted to put it out there, maybe some others can learn from my story. What would you guys do if you were in my situation and your wife requested you do the same?





    Sorry for your situation. I can relate a little bit.  I've never not been able to pay my bills, but I've gotten drunk and called in losers for 10x my normal stake.  I just hate to see a long-time covers brother fake himself out like this.  Just take a total break from sports for a while.  Good luck, buddy.
     
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    i'm glad i've never had any problems

     

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    A lot of people love you here Kap.  
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    so, i think the consensus time to sack up and set the woman straight.............. 
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    just ask yourself.........

    WWCMPD  

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    If you go to therapy, DON'T make friends with anyone!!!!  

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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    If there is one thing to learn from the OP's post, it is this:


    NEVER, EVER GET A JOINT ACCOUNT WHEN YOU GET MARRIED!

    I have heard the stories time and time again, a joint account will be a continual source of misery for you. The complaints about expenditures will become so bad, even a medium cup of Dunkin' Donuts coffee will be scrutinized.

    If she is working, let her pay for her % of the bills based on her salary. If she is a stay at home wife/mother, establish a monthly stipend based on average monthly costs and deposit that amount into her bank account.

    Also, if you want to ensure that you will not have joint account, establish it, and this is key, BEFORE you walk down the isle. After some haggling, she will concede on this point as it's not a prenup, nor is it a decision not to have children (or have 10). 

    Kap had a losing streak, paid off his debts and will replenish his accounts soon enough. That is the conduct of a responsible husband, not a dead-beat. 

    And if the two didn't have joint accounts, let's just say this post wouldn't even exist.

    This coming from a ginger who is single and possibly doesnt even like women. Take with a grain of salt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    If there is one thing to learn from the OP's post, it is this:


    NEVER, EVER GET A JOINT ACCOUNT WHEN YOU GET MARRIED!

    I have heard the stories time and time again, a joint account will be a continual source of misery for you. The complaints about expenditures will become so bad, even a medium cup of Dunkin' Donuts coffee will be scrutinized.

    If she is working, let her pay for her % of the bills based on her salary. If she is a stay at home wife/mother, establish a monthly stipend based on average monthly costs and deposit that amount into her bank account.

    Also, if you want to ensure that you will not have joint account, establish it, and this is key, BEFORE you walk down the isle. After some haggling, she will concede on this point as it's not a prenup, nor is it a decision not to have children (or have 10). 

    Kap had a losing streak, paid off his debts and will replenish his accounts soon enough. That is the conduct of a responsible husband, not a dead-beat. 

    And if the two didn't have joint accounts, let's just say this post wouldn't even exist.

    This coming from a ginger who is single and possibly doesnt even like women. Take with a grain of salt.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    If there is one thing to learn from the OP's post, it is this:


    NEVER, EVER GET A JOINT ACCOUNT WHEN YOU GET MARRIED!

    I have heard the stories time and time again, a joint account will be a continual source of misery for you. The complaints about expenditures will become so bad, even a medium cup of Dunkin' Donuts coffee will be scrutinized.

    If she is working, let her pay for her % of the bills based on her salary. If she is a stay at home wife/mother, establish a monthly stipend based on average monthly costs and deposit that amount into her bank account.

    Also, if you want to ensure that you will not have joint account, establish it, and this is key, BEFORE you walk down the isle. After some haggling, she will concede on this point as it's not a prenup, nor is it a decision not to have children (or have 10). 

    Kap had a losing streak, paid off his debts and will replenish his accounts soon enough. That is the conduct of a responsible husband, not a dead-beat. 

    And if the two didn't have joint accounts, let's just say this post wouldn't even exist.

    Just when I thought my opinion of you couldn't be lower you find ways to suck beyond what is humanly possible.

    Best of luck to you Kap...wish you nothing but happiness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    If there is one thing to learn from the OP's post, it is this:


    NEVER, EVER GET A JOINT ACCOUNT WHEN YOU GET MARRIED!

    I have heard the stories time and time again, a joint account will be a continual source of misery for you. The complaints about expenditures will become so bad, even a medium cup of Dunkin' Donuts coffee will be scrutinized.

    If she is working, let her pay for her % of the bills based on her salary. If she is a stay at home wife/mother, establish a monthly stipend based on average monthly costs and deposit that amount into her bank account.

    Also, if you want to ensure that you will not have joint account, establish it, and this is key, BEFORE you walk down the isle. After some haggling, she will concede on this point as it's not a prenup, nor is it a decision not to have children (or have 10). 

    Kap had a losing streak, paid off his debts and will replenish his accounts soon enough. That is the conduct of a responsible husband, not a dead-beat. 

    And if the two didn't have joint accounts, let's just say this post wouldn't even exist.

    Just when I thought my opinion of you couldn't be lower you find ways to suck beyond what is humanly possible.

    Best of luck to you Kap...wish you nothing but happiness.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    If there is one thing to learn from the OP's post, it is this:


    NEVER, EVER GET A JOINT ACCOUNT WHEN YOU GET MARRIED!

    I have heard the stories time and time again, a joint account will be a continual source of misery for you. The complaints about expenditures will become so bad, even a medium cup of Dunkin' Donuts coffee will be scrutinized.

    If she is working, let her pay for her % of the bills based on her salary. If she is a stay at home wife/mother, establish a monthly stipend based on average monthly costs and deposit that amount into her bank account.

    Also, if you want to ensure that you will not have joint account, establish it, and this is key, BEFORE you walk down the isle. After some haggling, she will concede on this point as it's not a prenup, nor is it a decision not to have children (or have 10). 

    Kap had a losing streak, paid off his debts and will replenish his accounts soon enough. That is the conduct of a responsible husband, not a dead-beat. 

    And if the two didn't have joint accounts, let's just say this post wouldn't even exist.

    My wife and I (of ten years by the way July 14, 2011) have had a joint account since our marriage and yes we have argued from time to time about little things for the most part it works out just fine.  I am frankly much more surprised by people who do not have a joint account.  How can someone say this is my money and this is your money each month.  It is easier for me to understand a Prenup which ensures that whatever assets and debts you brought into the marriage is separate as well as inheritence than this seperate account business but as I always say to each their own.  If it works for you great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    If there is one thing to learn from the OP's post, it is this:


    NEVER, EVER GET A JOINT ACCOUNT WHEN YOU GET MARRIED!

    I have heard the stories time and time again, a joint account will be a continual source of misery for you. The complaints about expenditures will become so bad, even a medium cup of Dunkin' Donuts coffee will be scrutinized.

    If she is working, let her pay for her % of the bills based on her salary. If she is a stay at home wife/mother, establish a monthly stipend based on average monthly costs and deposit that amount into her bank account.

    Also, if you want to ensure that you will not have joint account, establish it, and this is key, BEFORE you walk down the isle. After some haggling, she will concede on this point as it's not a prenup, nor is it a decision not to have children (or have 10). 

    Kap had a losing streak, paid off his debts and will replenish his accounts soon enough. That is the conduct of a responsible husband, not a dead-beat. 

    And if the two didn't have joint accounts, let's just say this post wouldn't even exist.

    My wife and I (of ten years by the way July 14, 2011) have had a joint account since our marriage and yes we have argued from time to time about little things for the most part it works out just fine.  I am frankly much more surprised by people who do not have a joint account.  How can someone say this is my money and this is your money each month.  It is easier for me to understand a Prenup which ensures that whatever assets and debts you brought into the marriage is separate as well as inheritence than this seperate account business but as I always say to each their own.  If it works for you great!

     
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    One month and two days down, only slightly less than 11 months to go...

    I appreciate all the kind words from everyone and apologize if I didn't get to respond to you specifically yet, please know that I read and digested everything that was said.

    I got a check back from the Palms recently after I mailed in a few winners from my most recent Vegas trip with my wife in the middle of July. I cashed the check but haven't done anything with the money -- my plan is to slowly build up a bankroll for whenever it is I get back into the game. And if I don't get back into the game at the end of this year time period, then I can surprise the hell out of my wife in a year's time with a kick-ass present or something.

    I had some significant temptation this weekend to take the money and wire it to bookmaker for some futures bets but I fought off the temptation to do that. Looked up GA meetings and found out they are only held on a Friday night at a local church in my area... not exactly excited about going but probably will start making my way over there so I can tell my wife that I am making an effort along what she wanted me to do.
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    One month and two days down, only slightly less than 11 months to go...

    I appreciate all the kind words from everyone and apologize if I didn't get to respond to you specifically yet, please know that I read and digested everything that was said.

    I got a check back from the Palms recently after I mailed in a few winners from my most recent Vegas trip with my wife in the middle of July. I cashed the check but haven't done anything with the money -- my plan is to slowly build up a bankroll for whenever it is I get back into the game. And if I don't get back into the game at the end of this year time period, then I can surprise the hell out of my wife in a year's time with a kick-ass present or something.

    I had some significant temptation this weekend to take the money and wire it to bookmaker for some futures bets but I fought off the temptation to do that. Looked up GA meetings and found out they are only held on a Friday night at a local church in my area... not exactly excited about going but probably will start making my way over there so I can tell my wife that I am making an effort along what she wanted me to do.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jesron1269:

    My wife and I (of ten years by the way July 14, 2011) have had a joint account since our marriage and yes we have argued from time to time about little things for the most part it works out just fine.  I am frankly much more surprised by people who do not have a joint account.  How can someone say this is my money and this is your money each month.  It is easier for me to understand a Prenup which ensures that whatever assets and debts you brought into the marriage is separate as well as inheritence than this seperate account business but as I always say to each their own.  If it works for you great!

    No chance I'd ever have a joint account even if I was married.  It would drive me nuts to see the bill when my gal goes on a shopping spree and I'm sure it would drive her nuts to see the $850 bill for the re-built transmission for a car I drive about 400 miles a year.  It's hard enough to live with a woman......might as well have one less thing to argue about. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesron1269:

    My wife and I (of ten years by the way July 14, 2011) have had a joint account since our marriage and yes we have argued from time to time about little things for the most part it works out just fine.  I am frankly much more surprised by people who do not have a joint account.  How can someone say this is my money and this is your money each month.  It is easier for me to understand a Prenup which ensures that whatever assets and debts you brought into the marriage is separate as well as inheritence than this seperate account business but as I always say to each their own.  If it works for you great!

    No chance I'd ever have a joint account even if I was married.  It would drive me nuts to see the bill when my gal goes on a shopping spree and I'm sure it would drive her nuts to see the $850 bill for the re-built transmission for a car I drive about 400 miles a year.  It's hard enough to live with a woman......might as well have one less thing to argue about. 

     
     
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    i've been gambling for over 30 years and have lost alot of money my advice to you would be try and stop completely because in the end it will only hurt the people you love the most your family its not easy especially the time we put in making our bets watching the games and on and on.......there is alot of great advice on here but in the end it comes down to you if you stop 100 % you will have a much happier and healthier life filled with joy ..................good luck
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    i've been gambling for over 30 years and have lost alot of money my advice to you would be try and stop completely because in the end it will only hurt the people you love the most your family its not easy especially the time we put in making our bets watching the games and on and on.......there is alot of great advice on here but in the end it comes down to you if you stop 100 % you will have a much happier and healthier life filled with joy ..................good luck
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