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    Seems like everybody wants to argue these days. Well I can stop THIS sports argument with ONE WORD

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    SarasotaSlim
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2020 - 3:15 AM ET #26

    TheGoldenOne,,,,Off topic:

    Led Zeppelin on Monday effectively won a long-running legal battle over claims it stole the opening guitar riff from its signature 1971 song “Stairway to Heaven.”

    The band,was handed victory after the U.S. Supreme Court declined to take up the case, meaning that a March 2020 decision by a U.S. appeals court in Led Zeppelin’s favor will stand.

     

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    TheGoldenOne,,,,Off topic:

    Led Zeppelin on Monday effectively won a long-running legal battle over claims it stole the opening guitar riff from its signature 1971 song “Stairway to Heaven.”

    The band,was handed victory after the U.S. Supreme Court declined to take up the case, meaning that a March 2020 decision by a U.S. appeals court in Led Zeppelin’s favor will stand.

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2020 - 12:09 PM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    Quote Originally Posted by lennon65: carmine abbatiello, jimmy marohnand regine dangnault.. boy do i miss those summers a roosevelt raceway I lived across the street from the RR (actually across from Garden City Lanes on Mitchell Field) as a young kid. That was a trotter's track, right? I heard they put a Mall there.

     

    yeah mugg. i remember when Garden City Lanes Hosted the PBA Tourin the 60's- 80's

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    Quote Originally Posted by lennon65: carmine abbatiello, jimmy marohnand regine dangnault.. boy do i miss those summers a roosevelt raceway I lived across the street from the RR (actually across from Garden City Lanes on Mitchell Field) as a young kid. That was a trotter's track, right? I heard they put a Mall there.

     

    yeah mugg. i remember when Garden City Lanes Hosted the PBA Tourin the 60's- 80's

     
    thorpe
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2020 - 5:24 PM ET #28

    Edwin Moses, didn't lose a race for almost 10 year.

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    Edwin Moses, didn't lose a race for almost 10 year.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2020 - 9:57 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:

    Edwin Moses, didn't lose a race for almost 10 year.

    that's a good call on E M. 

    but Jesse Owens made Hitler's blood boil  an_praise

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    Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:

    Edwin Moses, didn't lose a race for almost 10 year.

    that's a good call on E M. 

    but Jesse Owens made Hitler's blood boil  an_praise

     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2020 - 10:12 PM ET #30

    Slim: Nothing new to see here.  Ambulance chasing attorney trying to get rich off a dead man.  Page met Plant in the summer of '68 and the rest is H-i-s-t-o-r-y.

    ~~~~~ZOSO~~~~~
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    Slim: Nothing new to see here.  Ambulance chasing attorney trying to get rich off a dead man.  Page met Plant in the summer of '68 and the rest is H-i-s-t-o-r-y.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2020 - 11:42 PM ET #31

    It so depends on what you are gauging and how and when.  If you look at pure dominance in a particular sport or records set or versus their set of peers. 

    Heather McKay should always be considered.  It is hard to dispute her dominance, even though squash is not as widely played as other sports.  But she did not lose from 1962 through 1981.  Won 16 straight British Opens and 14 straight Australian Opens.  For her 25-year career she only lost twice!  She was also good at racquetball, tennis, field hockey -- among other sports.

    Larisa Latynina, the Soviet gymnast, was largely the most dominant in a sport at a time when her country dominated.

    Michael Phelps for sure.

    Michael Schumacher or Lewis Hamilton -- depending on criteria.

    Jon Jones.

    Tom Brady.

    Otto Graham.

    Jackie Joyner-Kersee.

    Anderson Silva.

    Roger Federer.

    Pele -- who closed out his World Cup career with a championship, his Brazilian League career with a championship, and his U.S. career with a championship.  Even though Messi and Ronaldo both have valid points nowadays against tough competition.

    Lindsey Vonn won like 20 more events than the second place skier.

    Tiger Woods, considering the level of competition he bested.

    Usain Bolt -- if you assume all are on PEDs in his time.  Even though studies based on tracks (bouncier nowadays) and starting blocks (instead of dig outs) and current timing show Owens even without current training would have been separated by only one stride.

    Wayne Gretzky.

    Babe Ruth.

    Jim Brown -- as running back or lacrosse player.

    Sir Don Bradman.  Cricketer who had the highest test batting average --by far! -- of 99.94!  To put this in perspective for those that are not up on cricket -- the second highest test batting average is 60.97.  Most sports experts consider this the most amazing statistic in sports and one of the most unlikely to be broken.

    Jahangir Khan.  From 1981 through 1986 never lost a squash match.  Considering how often squash is played -- absolutely amazing.  "During that time he was undefeated in 555 matches, a record which stands in the Guinness Book of World Records as the longest winning streak by any athlete in top-level professional sport." He won 10 British Opens and 6 World Opens. "Jahangir Kahn once won the World Championships without dropping a single game, an indication of his sheer dominance."

     

     

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    It so depends on what you are gauging and how and when.  If you look at pure dominance in a particular sport or records set or versus their set of peers. 

    Heather McKay should always be considered.  It is hard to dispute her dominance, even though squash is not as widely played as other sports.  But she did not lose from 1962 through 1981.  Won 16 straight British Opens and 14 straight Australian Opens.  For her 25-year career she only lost twice!  She was also good at racquetball, tennis, field hockey -- among other sports.

    Larisa Latynina, the Soviet gymnast, was largely the most dominant in a sport at a time when her country dominated.

    Michael Phelps for sure.

    Michael Schumacher or Lewis Hamilton -- depending on criteria.

    Jon Jones.

    Tom Brady.

    Otto Graham.

    Jackie Joyner-Kersee.

    Anderson Silva.

    Roger Federer.

    Pele -- who closed out his World Cup career with a championship, his Brazilian League career with a championship, and his U.S. career with a championship.  Even though Messi and Ronaldo both have valid points nowadays against tough competition.

    Lindsey Vonn won like 20 more events than the second place skier.

    Tiger Woods, considering the level of competition he bested.

    Usain Bolt -- if you assume all are on PEDs in his time.  Even though studies based on tracks (bouncier nowadays) and starting blocks (instead of dig outs) and current timing show Owens even without current training would have been separated by only one stride.

    Wayne Gretzky.

    Babe Ruth.

    Jim Brown -- as running back or lacrosse player.

    Sir Don Bradman.  Cricketer who had the highest test batting average --by far! -- of 99.94!  To put this in perspective for those that are not up on cricket -- the second highest test batting average is 60.97.  Most sports experts consider this the most amazing statistic in sports and one of the most unlikely to be broken.

    Jahangir Khan.  From 1981 through 1986 never lost a squash match.  Considering how often squash is played -- absolutely amazing.  "During that time he was undefeated in 555 matches, a record which stands in the Guinness Book of World Records as the longest winning streak by any athlete in top-level professional sport." He won 10 British Opens and 6 World Opens. "Jahangir Kahn once won the World Championships without dropping a single game, an indication of his sheer dominance."

     

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2020 - 11:43 PM ET #32

    There are many others that are usually talked about in this discussion.  But always entertaining and informative.

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    There are many others that are usually talked about in this discussion.  But always entertaining and informative.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2020 - 4:47 PM ET #33

    Simone Biles 

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    Simone Biles 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2020 - 11:10 PM ET #34

    Yes. She has gotten into the discussion.  Not as long as others or as many medals.  But for sure elite!  peace_5

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    Yes. She has gotten into the discussion.  Not as long as others or as many medals.  But for sure elite!  peace_5

     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2020 - 7:01 PM ET #35

    Bo.

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    Bo.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2020 - 7:03 PM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    I am a life-long horse-racing guy.  I love Secretariat.  But this is not as clear-cut as it would seem.  Spectacular Bid, Man o' War, Native Dancer, Dr Fager, Count Fleet, Citation, Kelso,  Seattle Slew,  Affirmed, Cigar and many others.  Even Phar Lap, Zenyata, American Pharaoh, Ruffian, and some others from overseas are talked about in this conversation.  A lot that had injuries, DQs, misfortune, etc. can be talked about as well.  Special mention of A.P. Indy here. Secretariat is just the one that most casual fans know of.  A lot of experts will say even if Big Red is first it is not as large of a gap to 2-10 as most think.  I think there can be cases made in other sports for a larger gap between 1 and 2-10. But nonetheless, a good discussion can be had.

    Winxan_wink

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    I am a life-long horse-racing guy.  I love Secretariat.  But this is not as clear-cut as it would seem.  Spectacular Bid, Man o' War, Native Dancer, Dr Fager, Count Fleet, Citation, Kelso,  Seattle Slew,  Affirmed, Cigar and many others.  Even Phar Lap, Zenyata, American Pharaoh, Ruffian, and some others from overseas are talked about in this conversation.  A lot that had injuries, DQs, misfortune, etc. can be talked about as well.  Special mention of A.P. Indy here. Secretariat is just the one that most casual fans know of.  A lot of experts will say even if Big Red is first it is not as large of a gap to 2-10 as most think.  I think there can be cases made in other sports for a larger gap between 1 and 2-10. But nonetheless, a good discussion can be had.

    Winxan_wink

     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2020 - 11:49 PM ET #37

    Quote Originally Posted by Skipbone:

    Bo.

    Well, lookie here... Skipbone actually brings something to the table... SHOCKER!!!

    Bo was very special.  Maybe once in a quarter century you find such a multi-talented athlete.  He had it ALL,  Explosive Speed, Power, and even rarer is the fact that he was/is very SMART.  He is also a very humble human being a real rarity in the Sports Business

    I don't know where to start... He KNOCKED Brian Bosworth down on his way into the end-zone, he broke a bat over his helmet, he climbed the fukking outfield wall like Spider Man with three steps after making the catch.  You really have to see this stuff on YouTube to believe it happened.

    BO KNOWS!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skipbone:

    Bo.

    Well, lookie here... Skipbone actually brings something to the table... SHOCKER!!!

    Bo was very special.  Maybe once in a quarter century you find such a multi-talented athlete.  He had it ALL,  Explosive Speed, Power, and even rarer is the fact that he was/is very SMART.  He is also a very humble human being a real rarity in the Sports Business

    I don't know where to start... He KNOCKED Brian Bosworth down on his way into the end-zone, he broke a bat over his helmet, he climbed the fukking outfield wall like Spider Man with three steps after making the catch.  You really have to see this stuff on YouTube to believe it happened.

    BO KNOWS!!!

     
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    Posted: Oct. 9, 2020 - 12:07 AM ET #38

    Raiders:  Let's cut to the chase with Heather McKay.  She was a woman in a man's body. She should have done a Jenner reversal and I would have more respect.  Irregardless, she DID it, and you must give her kudos.

    peace

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    Raiders:  Let's cut to the chase with Heather McKay.  She was a woman in a man's body. She should have done a Jenner reversal and I would have more respect.  Irregardless, she DID it, and you must give her kudos.

    peace

     
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    Posted: Oct. 9, 2020 - 4:41 AM ET #39

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark_The_Narc:

    Jose Antonio Illoro. Best jai-alai player ever. Spent time up your way in CT goose back in the 80's but was at his best in FL.  Guy was on another level and everyone knew it.  I always think John Campbell was the best damn harness driver ever but that can be disputed I'd say.

    Years ago took a drive down to Florida with my brother and sister in law and there two kids.  My Mom & Dad also.  SEVEN of us in a station wagon.  What a nightmare.  Me and my brother went to Dania Jai Alai.  He says "what's the strategy?"  And I said "I'm just going with numbers. The 2,3,5 trifecta".  So in the third game 2 beats the 1, 3 beats the 2 and 4, and the 5 runs it out.  Picked up $430, took my brother to the bar, one beer and a couple shots each, threw the barkeeper a $20 tip and I was OUT.

    Bought a one way air ticket home.  My brother was SOOOOO pizzed off that I bailed on the ride home.  But no way in friggin h3ll was I going to make that drive North.  Gave him $100 traveling money. 

    So it just happened that I beat a "NorEaster" home.  We got absolutely BURIED with about 2 1/2 feet of snow. My brother I'm told was cussing me the entire ride North.  Until he got home and i had both houses shoveled out.  Now I was the hero.

    Most definitely one of my very best gambling tales!!!

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark_The_Narc:

    Jose Antonio Illoro. Best jai-alai player ever. Spent time up your way in CT goose back in the 80's but was at his best in FL.  Guy was on another level and everyone knew it.  I always think John Campbell was the best damn harness driver ever but that can be disputed I'd say.

    Years ago took a drive down to Florida with my brother and sister in law and there two kids.  My Mom & Dad also.  SEVEN of us in a station wagon.  What a nightmare.  Me and my brother went to Dania Jai Alai.  He says "what's the strategy?"  And I said "I'm just going with numbers. The 2,3,5 trifecta".  So in the third game 2 beats the 1, 3 beats the 2 and 4, and the 5 runs it out.  Picked up $430, took my brother to the bar, one beer and a couple shots each, threw the barkeeper a $20 tip and I was OUT.

    Bought a one way air ticket home.  My brother was SOOOOO pizzed off that I bailed on the ride home.  But no way in friggin h3ll was I going to make that drive North.  Gave him $100 traveling money. 

    So it just happened that I beat a "NorEaster" home.  We got absolutely BURIED with about 2 1/2 feet of snow. My brother I'm told was cussing me the entire ride North.  Until he got home and i had both houses shoveled out.  Now I was the hero.

    Most definitely one of my very best gambling tales!!!

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:

    Every 1/4 mile Secretariat ran was quicker than the previous.  2:24 on a 1 1/2 mile dirt track.  It will stand forever.

    Secretariat was amazing to watch Goose! an_horse

    My pick would of been Lou Gehrig, the Iron Horse! thebaseball

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:

    Every 1/4 mile Secretariat ran was quicker than the previous.  2:24 on a 1 1/2 mile dirt track.  It will stand forever.

    Secretariat was amazing to watch Goose! an_horse

    My pick would of been Lou Gehrig, the Iron Horse! thebaseball

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaCup:

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose: Every 1/4 mile Secretariat ran was quicker than the previous.  2:24 on a 1 1/2 mile dirt track.  It will stand forever. Secretariat was amazing to watch Goose!  My pick would of been Lou Gehrig, the Iron Horse!

    Chic Anderson's Call on that '73 Belmont goes down as one of the best Sports Calls in Live Sports Announcing History. 

    Remember guys, no internet back then, everybody watching on their living room TV...

    "He is blazing along now, Secretariat is moving like a TREMENDOUS MACHINE!!! SECRETARIAT BY 12, SECRETARIAT BY 14 LENGTHS. 

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaCup:

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose: Every 1/4 mile Secretariat ran was quicker than the previous.  2:24 on a 1 1/2 mile dirt track.  It will stand forever. Secretariat was amazing to watch Goose!  My pick would of been Lou Gehrig, the Iron Horse!

    Chic Anderson's Call on that '73 Belmont goes down as one of the best Sports Calls in Live Sports Announcing History. 

    Remember guys, no internet back then, everybody watching on their living room TV...

    "He is blazing along now, Secretariat is moving like a TREMENDOUS MACHINE!!! SECRETARIAT BY 12, SECRETARIAT BY 14 LENGTHS. 

     

     

     
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    Chic Anderson's voice still waving excitedly... "INTO THE STRETCH.  SECRETARIAT LEADS THIS FIELD BY 18 LENGTHS.  HE'S IN A POSITION WHERE NOBODY CAN CATCH HIM. SECRETARIAT IS GONNA BE THE TRIPLE CROWN WINNER!!!"

    Everybody going crazy now.  It was just a WOW moment in all my lifetime.

    31 Lengths (I still say it was 31 1/2 and he got shorted).

    C'mon fellas, We NEVER saw a horse do that EVER.  And I say we NEVER do again. 

    Chic Anderson was still scratching his head 10 minutes after the race was over!!!

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    Chic Anderson's voice still waving excitedly... "INTO THE STRETCH.  SECRETARIAT LEADS THIS FIELD BY 18 LENGTHS.  HE'S IN A POSITION WHERE NOBODY CAN CATCH HIM. SECRETARIAT IS GONNA BE THE TRIPLE CROWN WINNER!!!"

    Everybody going crazy now.  It was just a WOW moment in all my lifetime.

    31 Lengths (I still say it was 31 1/2 and he got shorted).

    C'mon fellas, We NEVER saw a horse do that EVER.  And I say we NEVER do again. 

    Chic Anderson was still scratching his head 10 minutes after the race was over!!!

     
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    Besides his large heart, two unique things about Secretariat: his stride style and running conformation. 

    He was one of the horses that had a 'double suspension transverse gallop', in other words, instead of all four of his legs coming off the ground once in a single stride, Secretariat’s four legs were actually suspended mid-stride twice. 

    MOW had the longest stride by far.  Others had a longer stride than Big Red -- Seabiscuit, John Henry, Caviar, Frankel, etc.  Also, his conformation was nearly perfect -- so he was able to run in a straight line more effectively than most other horses -- others conformation have them running off kilter compared to Secretariat.  So, with his legs coiling and recoiling, thus, stretching out faster than other horses he was nearly stride-perfect.

    A side note -- the genetics of an enlarged heart was researched and written on in the history of great horses.  Seems like the study concluded they could all be traced back to Pocohantas from England.

    One quote by an expert: "Call it an X factor, an enlarged heart, the perfect stride or what you will but there will always be a reason to draw comparisons to Secretariat. His records have stood for nearly 50 years with good reason – he’s the best there ever was and perhaps the best the world will ever see."

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    Besides his large heart, two unique things about Secretariat: his stride style and running conformation. 

    He was one of the horses that had a 'double suspension transverse gallop', in other words, instead of all four of his legs coming off the ground once in a single stride, Secretariat’s four legs were actually suspended mid-stride twice. 

    MOW had the longest stride by far.  Others had a longer stride than Big Red -- Seabiscuit, John Henry, Caviar, Frankel, etc.  Also, his conformation was nearly perfect -- so he was able to run in a straight line more effectively than most other horses -- others conformation have them running off kilter compared to Secretariat.  So, with his legs coiling and recoiling, thus, stretching out faster than other horses he was nearly stride-perfect.

    A side note -- the genetics of an enlarged heart was researched and written on in the history of great horses.  Seems like the study concluded they could all be traced back to Pocohantas from England.

    One quote by an expert: "Call it an X factor, an enlarged heart, the perfect stride or what you will but there will always be a reason to draw comparisons to Secretariat. His records have stood for nearly 50 years with good reason – he’s the best there ever was and perhaps the best the world will ever see."

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    Besides his large heart, two unique things about Secretariat: his stride style and running conformation.  He was one of the horses that had a 'double suspension transverse gallop', in other words, instead of all four of his legs coming off the ground once in a single stride, Secretariat’s four legs were actually suspended mid-stride twice.  MOW had the longest stride by far.  Others had a longer stride than Big Red -- Seabiscuit, John Henry, Caviar, Frankel, etc.  Also, his conformation was nearly perfect -- so he was able to run in a straight line more effectively than most other horses -- others conformation have them running off kilter compared to Secretariat.  So, with his legs coiling and recoiling, thus, stretching out faster than other horses he was nearly stride-perfect. A side note -- the genetics of an enlarged heart was researched and written on in the history of great horses.  Seems like the study concluded they could all be traced back to Pocohantas from England. One quote by an expert: "Call it an X factor, an enlarged heart, the perfect stride or what you will but there will always be a reason to draw comparisons to Secretariat. His records have stood for nearly 50 years with good reason – he’s the best there ever was and perhaps the best the world will ever see."

    goodpost

    Something else that would support your "Stretching Out Style" comment is that Secretariat broke DEAD LAST in all three of his Triple Crown Races in '73 and came from last to win all three races.  Not sure, but probably true, that no other Triple Crown Winner has EVER done that before.

    peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    Besides his large heart, two unique things about Secretariat: his stride style and running conformation.  He was one of the horses that had a 'double suspension transverse gallop', in other words, instead of all four of his legs coming off the ground once in a single stride, Secretariat’s four legs were actually suspended mid-stride twice.  MOW had the longest stride by far.  Others had a longer stride than Big Red -- Seabiscuit, John Henry, Caviar, Frankel, etc.  Also, his conformation was nearly perfect -- so he was able to run in a straight line more effectively than most other horses -- others conformation have them running off kilter compared to Secretariat.  So, with his legs coiling and recoiling, thus, stretching out faster than other horses he was nearly stride-perfect. A side note -- the genetics of an enlarged heart was researched and written on in the history of great horses.  Seems like the study concluded they could all be traced back to Pocohantas from England. One quote by an expert: "Call it an X factor, an enlarged heart, the perfect stride or what you will but there will always be a reason to draw comparisons to Secretariat. His records have stood for nearly 50 years with good reason – he’s the best there ever was and perhaps the best the world will ever see."

    goodpost

    Something else that would support your "Stretching Out Style" comment is that Secretariat broke DEAD LAST in all three of his Triple Crown Races in '73 and came from last to win all three races.  Not sure, but probably true, that no other Triple Crown Winner has EVER done that before.

    peace_5

     
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    i think eddie mush had sham in this race, i think i saw him in the background. why only 5 horses that year?  i wasnt alive for a handful more years. 

    i had two big winners and they were decades ago, not much luck at ponies

    war emblem, he had a 6th gear in kentucky maybe wire to wire i cant remember

    big brown!! he stalked the pace. that was a in vegas win for me. key him over 3 others second and over 6 for third if i remember

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    i think eddie mush had sham in this race, i think i saw him in the background. why only 5 horses that year?  i wasnt alive for a handful more years. 

    i had two big winners and they were decades ago, not much luck at ponies

    war emblem, he had a 6th gear in kentucky maybe wire to wire i cant remember

    big brown!! he stalked the pace. that was a in vegas win for me. key him over 3 others second and over 6 for third if i remember

     
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    I would liked to have seen Secretariat go up against Papa Nick especially if it had been raining the night before an_light

     

    Papa Nick loves the slop, eats it up. His father was a mudder,  even his mother was a mudder 

    Papa Nick an_horse  moneyeyes

    Secretariat moose an_burn_money

     

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    I would liked to have seen Secretariat go up against Papa Nick especially if it had been raining the night before an_light

     

    Papa Nick loves the slop, eats it up. His father was a mudder,  even his mother was a mudder 

    Papa Nick an_horse  moneyeyes

    Secretariat moose an_burn_money

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L3KU5eiEBo

     

     

     
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    Goat.

    (Greatest of all time)

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    Goat.

    (Greatest of all time)

     
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    Jordan.

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    Jordan.

     
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    70s Ali. 

    60s mantle

    30 4050 owens.

    30s Dempsey....

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    70s Ali. 

    60s mantle

    30 4050 owens.

    30s Dempsey....

     
     
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    Average length of stride for a horse: 22 ft

     

    Secretariat: 28 ft.

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    Average length of stride for a horse: 22 ft

     

    Secretariat: 28 ft.

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