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Posted: Feb. 6, 2011 - 4:55 PM ET #1

Ive been using a gambling strategy for some time now and having some success with it.  I cant think of any other casino game that gives you a better percentile chance of winning.

When playing roulette i play 2 out of the 3 groups of numbers, giving me a 66% chance of winning without the 0 and 00.  I know they are in play and lower the percentage to the lower 60's.  I was always of the understanding that blackjack gives you a lower 50's percent chance of winning.

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Ive been using a gambling strategy for some time now and having some success with it.  I cant think of any other casino game that gives you a better percentile chance of winning.

When playing roulette i play 2 out of the 3 groups of numbers, giving me a 66% chance of winning without the 0 and 00.  I know they are in play and lower the percentage to the lower 60's.  I was always of the understanding that blackjack gives you a lower 50's percent chance of winning.

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It's not % chance of winning a bet that matters. It's the house edge against your bet that matters. The house edge on roulette is over 5%. Blackjack-with perfect basic strategy-is under 1/2 of 1%. In both games-in the long run-you'll  eventually lose your money-but you'll lose it less quickly playing blackjack.

 

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It's not % chance of winning a bet that matters. It's the house edge against your bet that matters. The house edge on roulette is over 5%. Blackjack-with perfect basic strategy-is under 1/2 of 1%. In both games-in the long run-you'll  eventually lose your money-but you'll lose it less quickly playing blackjack.

 

 
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What gold said -  Play craps and stack up on the odds pass/don't pass and you'll be as close to 50/50 as you can get.
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What gold said -  Play craps and stack up on the odds pass/don't pass and you'll be as close to 50/50 as you can get.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by BallOut:

Ive been using a gambling strategy for some time now and having some success with it.  I cant think of any other casino game that gives you a better percentile chance of winning.

When playing roulette i play 2 out of the 3 groups of numbers, giving me a 66% chance of winning without the 0 and 00.  I know they are in play and lower the percentage to the lower 60's.  I was always of the understanding that blackjack gives you a lower 50's percent chance of winning.

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Yes, you have 60% plus advantage, but if you LOSE you are PAYING at 2-1 odds.  Hardly a "winning system".

You may be able to integrate your system with a money management program, similar but not the martingale, to decrease the house edge.  You'd better have a HUGE bankroll. 

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Quote Originally Posted by BallOut:

Ive been using a gambling strategy for some time now and having some success with it.  I cant think of any other casino game that gives you a better percentile chance of winning.

When playing roulette i play 2 out of the 3 groups of numbers, giving me a 66% chance of winning without the 0 and 00.  I know they are in play and lower the percentage to the lower 60's.  I was always of the understanding that blackjack gives you a lower 50's percent chance of winning.

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Yes, you have 60% plus advantage, but if you LOSE you are PAYING at 2-1 odds.  Hardly a "winning system".

You may be able to integrate your system with a money management program, similar but not the martingale, to decrease the house edge.  You'd better have a HUGE bankroll. 

You don't take a knife to a gunfight son.
 
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DO NOT PLAY ROULETTE EVER AGAIN! 

I mean that...It's not a joke...That wheel WILL bust you over the long-term...

Play poker...

The odds will almost always be in your favor pre-flop if you simply put your opponent on hand ranges...
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DO NOT PLAY ROULETTE EVER AGAIN! 

I mean that...It's not a joke...That wheel WILL bust you over the long-term...

Play poker...

The odds will almost always be in your favor pre-flop if you simply put your opponent on hand ranges...
 
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Best advice I can give in Roulette is to keep changing tables.  The stacks that display the numbers; tail them the other way.  Say you see an all red stack, go black.  (odd/even)  In the casino, keep looking at the other Roulette tables around you.  It's the only time I've ever had the pitboss tell me to stop, due to the advantage.  Must've been on to something.....

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Best advice I can give in Roulette is to keep changing tables.  The stacks that display the numbers; tail them the other way.  Say you see an all red stack, go black.  (odd/even)  In the casino, keep looking at the other Roulette tables around you.  It's the only time I've ever had the pitboss tell me to stop, due to the advantage.  Must've been on to something.....

 
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When I do thrown a few bucks on the wheel.. i try to find a wheel that seems to have numbers hitting in certain quarters of the wheel. get one of the layout cards thats shows where the numbers are.. Sometimes they dude will hit the same quarter of the wheel alot if he releases the ball at the same spot, Some casinos like trump change the dealer like every 5 rolls because of this.. never really win playing roulette.. Craps all or nothing

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When I do thrown a few bucks on the wheel.. i try to find a wheel that seems to have numbers hitting in certain quarters of the wheel. get one of the layout cards thats shows where the numbers are.. Sometimes they dude will hit the same quarter of the wheel alot if he releases the ball at the same spot, Some casinos like trump change the dealer like every 5 rolls because of this.. never really win playing roulette.. Craps all or nothing

 
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if you add up all the numbers on the roulette wheel


you get 666



if you add up all the magnets under the wheel

you get fixed game



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if you add up all the numbers on the roulette wheel


you get 666



if you add up all the magnets under the wheel

you get fixed game



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my understanding of roulette is that every bet basically has the same vig/juice mathematically no matter what your strategy is...

my strategy with roulette is so sit across from a woman with a nice rack so when she bends over to place her bets you get a nice view of her boobs and cleavage...  That along with the free drinks seems to be a nice combo...
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my understanding of roulette is that every bet basically has the same vig/juice mathematically no matter what your strategy is...

my strategy with roulette is so sit across from a woman with a nice rack so when she bends over to place her bets you get a nice view of her boobs and cleavage...  That along with the free drinks seems to be a nice combo...
 
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If anything I play  4 conner
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gotta love roulette!!!
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Whoa I can't believe the casinos never picked up on this. Lets pull out second mortgages and head to the casino...

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Posted: Feb. 7, 2011 - 12:32 PM ET #13

anyone giving insight on how to win at roulette should be sent to the penalty box....


FYI: Each spin is an individual event and has nothing at all to do with past numbers played or anything like that.

betting a number you have a 1/37 (or 1/38 with 0 and 00) chance of winning. No more , no less.



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anyone giving insight on how to win at roulette should be sent to the penalty box....


FYI: Each spin is an individual event and has nothing at all to do with past numbers played or anything like that.

betting a number you have a 1/37 (or 1/38 with 0 and 00) chance of winning. No more , no less.



 
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Quote Originally Posted by DHass22:

Best advice I can give in Roulette is to keep changing tables.  The stacks that display the numbers; tail them the other way.  Say you see an all red stack, go black.  (odd/even)  In the casino, keep looking at the other Roulette tables around you.  It's the only time I've ever had the pitboss tell me to stop, due to the advantage.  Must've been on to something.....

Ahh, gambler's fallacy... seriously, do you really think the casinos have the display board installed to their disadvantage?

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Best advice I can give in Roulette is to keep changing tables.  The stacks that display the numbers; tail them the other way.  Say you see an all red stack, go black.  (odd/even)  In the casino, keep looking at the other Roulette tables around you.  It's the only time I've ever had the pitboss tell me to stop, due to the advantage.  Must've been on to something.....

Ahh, gambler's fallacy... seriously, do you really think the casinos have the display board installed to their disadvantage?

 
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Don't play 2 out of 3 groups.

1st 2nd 3rd.

Rows...

none of that...

trust me...

i had 2nd n 3rd.. 5-6times in a row and it went 1-12.

fck roulette.. but we all seem to go back n play it...


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Don't play 2 out of 3 groups.

1st 2nd 3rd.

Rows...

none of that...

trust me...

i had 2nd n 3rd.. 5-6times in a row and it went 1-12.

fck roulette.. but we all seem to go back n play it...


 
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Quote Originally Posted by Madden:

anyone giving insight on how to win at roulette should be sent to the penalty box....

FYI: Each spin is an individual event and has nothing at all to do with past numbers played or anything like that.

betting a number you have a 1/37 (or 1/38 with 0 and 00) chance of winning. No more , no less.


 
What he said.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Madden:

anyone giving insight on how to win at roulette should be sent to the penalty box....

FYI: Each spin is an individual event and has nothing at all to do with past numbers played or anything like that.

betting a number you have a 1/37 (or 1/38 with 0 and 00) chance of winning. No more , no less.


 
What he said.
 
 
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[Quote: Originally Posted by gunonenic]

Ahh, gambler's fallacy... seriously, do you really think the casinos have the display board installed to their disadvantage?

Read up on, "regression the mean", been cashing in on it and the "law of large numbers" for a few years now.

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[Quote: Originally Posted by gunonenic]

Ahh, gambler's fallacy... seriously, do you really think the casinos have the display board installed to their disadvantage?

Read up on, "regression the mean", been cashing in on it and the "law of large numbers" for a few years now.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by MIZUNO22:

Quote Originally Posted by gunonenic:

Ahh, gambler's fallacy... seriously, do you really think the casinos have the display board installed to their disadvantage?

Read up on, "regression the mean", been cashing in on it and the "law of large numbers" for a few years now.

You're talking about statistical details that has nothing to do with what I described. I can see your point if you're taking about an athlete's performance over the lifetime of his career...i.e. batting average, free throw percentage, etc. some months/years he will do better or worse. If a guy is batting .350 for 2 years straight you can probably expect his numbers to decline, which is "regression to the mean". The only problem with applying that theory to something like roulette is that it's a completely random event. Yes, according to the "law of large numbers" the blacks and reds will even out in the end, but unless you have unlimited bankroll and there's no table limit the practice is futile. If probability worked like that we'd all be rich.

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Quote Originally Posted by gunonenic:

Ahh, gambler's fallacy... seriously, do you really think the casinos have the display board installed to their disadvantage?

Read up on, "regression the mean", been cashing in on it and the "law of large numbers" for a few years now.

You're talking about statistical details that has nothing to do with what I described. I can see your point if you're taking about an athlete's performance over the lifetime of his career...i.e. batting average, free throw percentage, etc. some months/years he will do better or worse. If a guy is batting .350 for 2 years straight you can probably expect his numbers to decline, which is "regression to the mean". The only problem with applying that theory to something like roulette is that it's a completely random event. Yes, according to the "law of large numbers" the blacks and reds will even out in the end, but unless you have unlimited bankroll and there's no table limit the practice is futile. If probability worked like that we'd all be rich.

 
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Every bet on a wheel has a vig of 5.25 with 2 green except the 5 way with 0-00-1-2-3 which is 5.75 . I saw a streak of 13 spins come up on the 2nd dozen,you want to chase that Ballout? Roulette is one of the worst games in the casino.
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Every bet on a wheel has a vig of 5.25 with 2 green except the 5 way with 0-00-1-2-3 which is 5.75 . I saw a streak of 13 spins come up on the 2nd dozen,you want to chase that Ballout? Roulette is one of the worst games in the casino.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by MIZUNO22:

Quote Originally Posted by gunonenic:

Ahh, gambler's fallacy... seriously, do you really think the casinos have the display board installed to their disadvantage?

Read up on, "regression the mean", been cashing in on it and the "law of large numbers" for a few years now.




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Quote Originally Posted by gunonenic:

Ahh, gambler's fallacy... seriously, do you really think the casinos have the display board installed to their disadvantage?

Read up on, "regression the mean", been cashing in on it and the "law of large numbers" for a few years now.




 
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Quote Originally Posted by BallOut:

Ive been using a gambling strategy for some time now and having some success with it.  I cant think of any other casino game that gives you a better percentile chance of winning.

When playing roulette i play 2 out of the 3 groups of numbers, giving me a 66% chance of winning without the 0 and 00... 

Insight?



Lots of people come up with that roulette "system."  I thought of it myself, more than 30 years ago.  Often it also involves some type of a Martingale system.

It doesn't work.

Yes, on each spin you have 24 winning numbers and only 14 losing numbers.  Thus, you have a .6486 chance of 'winning' on each spin.  But to put it simply, each time you win you aren't being paid true odds.   You are being paid less than what you the true odds say you should.   Each time you win you are paying the house vig.  (Roulette has a 5.26% house edge.)

Assume after 100 spins you win exactly 64 times.  Each time you bet, of course, risk 2 units to win 1 unit.  Thus, you've won one unit 64 times.  You're up 64 units.  Who hoo!

But you also lost 36 times.  On each of the 36 times you lost, you lost 2 units.  36 x -2 = -72.   Overall, you're now down 8 units.

And yes, even combined with any kind of a martingale system, it just doesn't work.  Eventually you WILL lose enough times in a row to wipe yourself out, or reach the house maximum.


There is no way to win at roulette.  The house edge is too high, and there is no system that can overcome the house edge.  Poker or blackjack give you a much better return on your money.

Congrats on your initial success, but eventually you will discover on your own it doesn't work.
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Ive been using a gambling strategy for some time now and having some success with it.  I cant think of any other casino game that gives you a better percentile chance of winning.

When playing roulette i play 2 out of the 3 groups of numbers, giving me a 66% chance of winning without the 0 and 00... 

Insight?



Lots of people come up with that roulette "system."  I thought of it myself, more than 30 years ago.  Often it also involves some type of a Martingale system.

It doesn't work.

Yes, on each spin you have 24 winning numbers and only 14 losing numbers.  Thus, you have a .6486 chance of 'winning' on each spin.  But to put it simply, each time you win you aren't being paid true odds.   You are being paid less than what you the true odds say you should.   Each time you win you are paying the house vig.  (Roulette has a 5.26% house edge.)

Assume after 100 spins you win exactly 64 times.  Each time you bet, of course, risk 2 units to win 1 unit.  Thus, you've won one unit 64 times.  You're up 64 units.  Who hoo!

But you also lost 36 times.  On each of the 36 times you lost, you lost 2 units.  36 x -2 = -72.   Overall, you're now down 8 units.

And yes, even combined with any kind of a martingale system, it just doesn't work.  Eventually you WILL lose enough times in a row to wipe yourself out, or reach the house maximum.


There is no way to win at roulette.  The house edge is too high, and there is no system that can overcome the house edge.  Poker or blackjack give you a much better return on your money.

Congrats on your initial success, but eventually you will discover on your own it doesn't work.
 
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Correction.  .6315 chance of 'winning' on each spin.  (24/38)
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Ed Collins gets it.

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