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    Police abuse of power, brutality and harassment

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    Nut_Flopper
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2015 - 12:55 PM ET #26

    I don't often agree with Scal but I do on this. The golf club is irrelevant. Maybe it is his lucky golf club or maybe he has a fetish for golf clubs who cares.

    She stated in the vid he swung the golf club at her as she turned a corner and that was why she stopped him. Maybe somebody asked directions and he used his club to point as she turned the corner. She is obviously one of the overzealous cops out there.

    I have said it before I am a middle aged caucasion man living in an upper middle class neighborhood and I still worry about getting pulled over from an over zealous cop. I have had minimal interaction with the police over my lifetime but you catch the wrong cop on the wrong day and bad things can happen. It shouldn't be that way.

    My cop friends tell me about the power trippers in their dept. who have a bad day and look to make other peoples life miserable because they can. They need more stringent psychological screening and up the age requirement.




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    I don't often agree with Scal but I do on this. The golf club is irrelevant. Maybe it is his lucky golf club or maybe he has a fetish for golf clubs who cares.

    She stated in the vid he swung the golf club at her as she turned a corner and that was why she stopped him. Maybe somebody asked directions and he used his club to point as she turned the corner. She is obviously one of the overzealous cops out there.

    I have said it before I am a middle aged caucasion man living in an upper middle class neighborhood and I still worry about getting pulled over from an over zealous cop. I have had minimal interaction with the police over my lifetime but you catch the wrong cop on the wrong day and bad things can happen. It shouldn't be that way.

    My cop friends tell me about the power trippers in their dept. who have a bad day and look to make other peoples life miserable because they can. They need more stringent psychological screening and up the age requirement.




     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2015 - 2:23 PM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by thecentaur:


    I didn't create the what if scenarios.  I was pointing out that from the video it looked very likely the cop was responding, and I was pointing out that the guy wasn't strolling around drinking coffee, he was walking around downtown with an iron, which is ridiculous behavior. 

    The putter comment was to make clear how absurd the claim of using an iron as just your cane is.  Either you don't really need a cane or you have the iron for something else, because it does not provide stable support like a putter, or even a damn stick would be much more effective.

    You keep commenting how it's so beneath you to have to read posts...well just go away...move along...from what I've read it seems unanimous (except for maybe Delouse and Jizzle77) this posting community would be happy with that

     

    It is beneath me and many here.

    Except when I see such flagrant idiocy when you attempt to excuse a cop's abuse of power by assuming:

    1) She was responding to a call (no proof of that)

    2) Putters serve as better cane than irons (who even needs proof of that and who would say such a thing for argumentation?)

    ...I say something.

     

    As many here are pointing out to you (and you are continually ignoring), there is nothing illegal about walking around with a golf club at your side.

    Further, your continual attempts to excuse this cop's behavior in any way, in light of everything in the OP (which you apparently haven't digested in full) in addition to what many are saying here, is quite disturbing.

    So if you shut up now, you might escape this thread with dignity because you are not only highlighting your stupidity, but worse, your implicit support of renegade cops looking for their next arrest on law-abiding citizens.

     

    (Oh and by the way, where is the unanimous vote that wants me to leave? Even people here that hate my guts would rather have me around than not.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by thecentaur:


    I didn't create the what if scenarios.  I was pointing out that from the video it looked very likely the cop was responding, and I was pointing out that the guy wasn't strolling around drinking coffee, he was walking around downtown with an iron, which is ridiculous behavior. 

    The putter comment was to make clear how absurd the claim of using an iron as just your cane is.  Either you don't really need a cane or you have the iron for something else, because it does not provide stable support like a putter, or even a damn stick would be much more effective.

    You keep commenting how it's so beneath you to have to read posts...well just go away...move along...from what I've read it seems unanimous (except for maybe Delouse and Jizzle77) this posting community would be happy with that

     

    It is beneath me and many here.

    Except when I see such flagrant idiocy when you attempt to excuse a cop's abuse of power by assuming:

    1) She was responding to a call (no proof of that)

    2) Putters serve as better cane than irons (who even needs proof of that and who would say such a thing for argumentation?)

    ...I say something.

     

    As many here are pointing out to you (and you are continually ignoring), there is nothing illegal about walking around with a golf club at your side.

    Further, your continual attempts to excuse this cop's behavior in any way, in light of everything in the OP (which you apparently haven't digested in full) in addition to what many are saying here, is quite disturbing.

    So if you shut up now, you might escape this thread with dignity because you are not only highlighting your stupidity, but worse, your implicit support of renegade cops looking for their next arrest on law-abiding citizens.

     

    (Oh and by the way, where is the unanimous vote that wants me to leave? Even people here that hate my guts would rather have me around than not.)

     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2015 - 2:23 PM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by Nut_Flopper:

    I don't often agree with Scal but I do on this. The golf club is irrelevant. Maybe it is his lucky golf club or maybe he has a fetish for golf clubs who cares.

    She stated in the vid he swung the golf club at her as she turned a corner and that was why she stopped him. Maybe somebody asked directions and he used his club to point as she turned the corner. She is obviously one of the overzealous cops out there.

    I have said it before I am a middle aged caucasion man living in an upper middle class neighborhood and I still worry about getting pulled over from an over zealous cop. I have had minimal interaction with the police over my lifetime but you catch the wrong cop on the wrong day and bad things can happen. It shouldn't be that way.

    My cop friends tell me about the power trippers in their dept. who have a bad day and look to make other peoples life miserable because they can. They need more stringent psychological screening and up the age requirement.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Nut_Flopper:

    I don't often agree with Scal but I do on this. The golf club is irrelevant. Maybe it is his lucky golf club or maybe he has a fetish for golf clubs who cares.

    She stated in the vid he swung the golf club at her as she turned a corner and that was why she stopped him. Maybe somebody asked directions and he used his club to point as she turned the corner. She is obviously one of the overzealous cops out there.

    I have said it before I am a middle aged caucasion man living in an upper middle class neighborhood and I still worry about getting pulled over from an over zealous cop. I have had minimal interaction with the police over my lifetime but you catch the wrong cop on the wrong day and bad things can happen. It shouldn't be that way.

    My cop friends tell me about the power trippers in their dept. who have a bad day and look to make other peoples life miserable because they can. They need more stringent psychological screening and up the age requirement.




     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2015 - 8:46 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

     

    It is beneath me and many here.

    Except when I see such flagrant idiocy when you attempt to excuse a cop's abuse of power by assuming:

    1) She was responding to a call (no proof of that)

    2) Putters serve as better cane than irons (who even needs proof of that and who would say such a thing for argumentation?)

    ...I say something.

     

    As many here are pointing out to you (and you are continually ignoring), there is nothing illegal about walking around with a golf club at your side.

    Further, your continual attempts to excuse this cop's behavior in any way, in light of everything in the OP (which you apparently haven't digested in full) in addition to what many are saying here, is quite disturbing.

    So if you shut up now, you might escape this thread with dignity because you are not only highlighting your stupidity, but worse, your implicit support of renegade cops looking for their next arrest on law-abiding citizens.

     

    (Oh and by the way, where is the unanimous vote that wants me to leave? Even people here that hate my guts would rather have me around than not.)


    It is beneath you? Who the f are u?  What a joke you are

    For the 50th time, since you can't comprehend what you read:

    -It is highly unlikely from the video evidence that the cop just sped right up to a guy standing around with a golf club and started harassing him like she did.  She was most likely responding.  We all understand you can't process that type of logic, especially when you are seeing red because it is a white cop and black victim, but just try to avoid automatically descending into your insult and deflect reflex

    -I am not saying the cop was right.  I am trying to offer what I feel to be a more reasonable point of view to this situation because many, including you, see a white cop old black guy situation and want to white guilt your way into pat yourself on the back nirvana

    -For someone who professes to be a forum messiah, a genius among commoners, forced to tolerate posts which are beneath him, you sure do lack logic and common sense.  Do you not think it is highly relevant to this case that a frigging 5 iron does not make an effective or even usable cane, when the dispute is the cop saying it's a weapon and he is claiming it's a cane?  Next we will see a cop question some dude walking around with a baseball bat and he'll say it's a back scratcher, and you will scramble to the rescue because lets just have a bunch of veterans walking around with baseball bats, they're not breaking the law. 

    Once again, the cop is a liar and an idiot, but the cane story is bull. Go get a 5 iron and try using it as a cane for awhile since you cannot fathom that.  I am not saying, "wait, a 5 iron and a cane are 2 different things", I am saying an iron, mostly because of it's shape, does not help you if you are using it as a walking aid.  Using it next to you for support makes you unstable because it will twist and turn due to the shape of the clubhead.  How can such an enlightened deity such as yourself fail to grasp this?

    I apologize profusely for inflicting yet another unworthy post on you O forum god
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

     

    It is beneath me and many here.

    Except when I see such flagrant idiocy when you attempt to excuse a cop's abuse of power by assuming:

    1) She was responding to a call (no proof of that)

    2) Putters serve as better cane than irons (who even needs proof of that and who would say such a thing for argumentation?)

    ...I say something.

     

    As many here are pointing out to you (and you are continually ignoring), there is nothing illegal about walking around with a golf club at your side.

    Further, your continual attempts to excuse this cop's behavior in any way, in light of everything in the OP (which you apparently haven't digested in full) in addition to what many are saying here, is quite disturbing.

    So if you shut up now, you might escape this thread with dignity because you are not only highlighting your stupidity, but worse, your implicit support of renegade cops looking for their next arrest on law-abiding citizens.

     

    (Oh and by the way, where is the unanimous vote that wants me to leave? Even people here that hate my guts would rather have me around than not.)


    It is beneath you? Who the f are u?  What a joke you are

    For the 50th time, since you can't comprehend what you read:

    -It is highly unlikely from the video evidence that the cop just sped right up to a guy standing around with a golf club and started harassing him like she did.  She was most likely responding.  We all understand you can't process that type of logic, especially when you are seeing red because it is a white cop and black victim, but just try to avoid automatically descending into your insult and deflect reflex

    -I am not saying the cop was right.  I am trying to offer what I feel to be a more reasonable point of view to this situation because many, including you, see a white cop old black guy situation and want to white guilt your way into pat yourself on the back nirvana

    -For someone who professes to be a forum messiah, a genius among commoners, forced to tolerate posts which are beneath him, you sure do lack logic and common sense.  Do you not think it is highly relevant to this case that a frigging 5 iron does not make an effective or even usable cane, when the dispute is the cop saying it's a weapon and he is claiming it's a cane?  Next we will see a cop question some dude walking around with a baseball bat and he'll say it's a back scratcher, and you will scramble to the rescue because lets just have a bunch of veterans walking around with baseball bats, they're not breaking the law. 

    Once again, the cop is a liar and an idiot, but the cane story is bull. Go get a 5 iron and try using it as a cane for awhile since you cannot fathom that.  I am not saying, "wait, a 5 iron and a cane are 2 different things", I am saying an iron, mostly because of it's shape, does not help you if you are using it as a walking aid.  Using it next to you for support makes you unstable because it will twist and turn due to the shape of the clubhead.  How can such an enlightened deity such as yourself fail to grasp this?

    I apologize profusely for inflicting yet another unworthy post on you O forum god
     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2015 - 8:55 PM ET #30

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyO7cFApbwE

    Check out starting at 1:40....good thing he had that golf club to help him get around

    I get it, he's walking around, he's an old guy, and it's nice to have a golf club with you in case something happens.  If a cop comes up and asks you to please set down the golf club, just set it down and then argue, don't defiantly stand there with it and get ur dumbass handcuffed.
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyO7cFApbwE

    Check out starting at 1:40....good thing he had that golf club to help him get around

    I get it, he's walking around, he's an old guy, and it's nice to have a golf club with you in case something happens.  If a cop comes up and asks you to please set down the golf club, just set it down and then argue, don't defiantly stand there with it and get ur dumbass handcuffed.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2015 - 9:08 PM ET #31

    Let me guess, you think people should legally be allowed to legally carry guns but this guy shouldn't be allowed to use a golf club as a cane because a golf club can be used as a weapon? 



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    Let me guess, you think people should legally be allowed to legally carry guns but this guy shouldn't be allowed to use a golf club as a cane because a golf club can be used as a weapon? 



     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2015 - 9:23 PM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Let me guess, you think people should legally be allowed to legally carry guns but this guy shouldn't be allowed to use a golf club as a cane because a golf club can be used as a weapon? 




    Delouse oh how you love to just ask questions and be argumentative, right?  Don't offer any meaningful dialogue just be smug and combative

    People can't just walk around brandishing firearms. Inaccurate comparison.  Licensed conceal and carry is legal in some places.  I suspect if the golf club were in a shopping bag none of this would have happened if you want to pursue that little gun scenario you propose. 

    I am still amused at scalabrine's absence of logic.  Maintains that there is no support that the cop was responding.  Wants to think she just drove up and found a black guy to harass.  In the video, she drives straight up to the guy, the golf club never being visible, then gets out of her vehicle and asks him to put down the club with it still not being visible.

    Is she psychic, or do you think maybe she was responding?

    I've got another riddle for ya scalabrine, what is 2+2?  Don't hurt yourself




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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Let me guess, you think people should legally be allowed to legally carry guns but this guy shouldn't be allowed to use a golf club as a cane because a golf club can be used as a weapon? 




    Delouse oh how you love to just ask questions and be argumentative, right?  Don't offer any meaningful dialogue just be smug and combative

    People can't just walk around brandishing firearms. Inaccurate comparison.  Licensed conceal and carry is legal in some places.  I suspect if the golf club were in a shopping bag none of this would have happened if you want to pursue that little gun scenario you propose. 

    I am still amused at scalabrine's absence of logic.  Maintains that there is no support that the cop was responding.  Wants to think she just drove up and found a black guy to harass.  In the video, she drives straight up to the guy, the golf club never being visible, then gets out of her vehicle and asks him to put down the club with it still not being visible.

    Is she psychic, or do you think maybe she was responding?

    I've got another riddle for ya scalabrine, what is 2+2?  Don't hurt yourself




     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2015 - 9:30 PM ET #33

    So you are concerned that THIS guy MIGHT use his 5 iron cane as a weapon but you're not concerned that someone might use a GUN they're concealing as a weapon? 

    Makes sense. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. 
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    So you are concerned that THIS guy MIGHT use his 5 iron cane as a weapon but you're not concerned that someone might use a GUN they're concealing as a weapon? 

    Makes sense. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    So you are concerned that THIS guy MIGHT use his 5 iron cane as a weapon but you're not concerned that someone might use a GUN they're concealing as a weapon? 

    Makes sense. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. 

    So you don't think this is less about what he might do and more about the public perceiving a threat?  After all, why do you think guns have to be concealed? 
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    So you are concerned that THIS guy MIGHT use his 5 iron cane as a weapon but you're not concerned that someone might use a GUN they're concealing as a weapon? 

    Makes sense. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. 

    So you don't think this is less about what he might do and more about the public perceiving a threat?  After all, why do you think guns have to be concealed? 
     
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    I think this is about a power hungry pig harassing a guy. Why would she say he tried to hit her with the club? Why wouldn't she just say she got a call and people were perceiving his 5 iron cane as a threat? 
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    I think this is about a power hungry pig harassing a guy. Why would she say he tried to hit her with the club? Why wouldn't she just say she got a call and people were perceiving his 5 iron cane as a threat? 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    I think this is about a power hungry pig harassing a guy. Why would she say he tried to hit her with the club? Why wouldn't she just say she got a call and people were perceiving his 5 iron cane as a threat? 

    Why are you going off on a tangent about her lying when I already said she was lying?  Why are you trying to discuss why she did or didn't say certain things when the video shows she went straight up to the guy without the club being visible, indicating she was already informed of the situation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    I think this is about a power hungry pig harassing a guy. Why would she say he tried to hit her with the club? Why wouldn't she just say she got a call and people were perceiving his 5 iron cane as a threat? 

    Why are you going off on a tangent about her lying when I already said she was lying?  Why are you trying to discuss why she did or didn't say certain things when the video shows she went straight up to the guy without the club being visible, indicating she was already informed of the situation?
     
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    She's an idiot. End of story. I see granola white people walking with ski poles.. Are you saying that's illegal? 

    You just "swang" that golf club at me - 

    IQ > or < 60? 
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    She's an idiot. End of story. I see granola white people walking with ski poles.. Are you saying that's illegal? 

    You just "swang" that golf club at me - 

    IQ > or < 60? 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    She's an idiot. End of story. I see granola white people walking with ski poles.. Are you saying that's illegal? 

    You just "swang" that golf club at me - 

    IQ > or < 60? 

    Yeah, "swang", that was classic

    DO you think he was arrested for having a golf club, or being belligerent and uncooperative to a police officer, regardless of whether or not that officer is a few clubs short of a set?
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    She's an idiot. End of story. I see granola white people walking with ski poles.. Are you saying that's illegal? 

    You just "swang" that golf club at me - 

    IQ > or < 60? 

    Yeah, "swang", that was classic

    DO you think he was arrested for having a golf club, or being belligerent and uncooperative to a police officer, regardless of whether or not that officer is a few clubs short of a set?
     
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    Some related info

    If I'm not mistaken, the cop had a pending lawsuit against the Seattle police dept. which might explain the release of the video as retribution

    The golf club guy who was arrested for obstruction (which is illegal), not golf club strolling, is suing Seattle police dept. for $750,000

    It would be great if all the Seattle club toting demonstrators had their tax dollars go to the cop and the club guy for their lawsuits, then watch them cry when their taxes go up.
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    Some related info

    If I'm not mistaken, the cop had a pending lawsuit against the Seattle police dept. which might explain the release of the video as retribution

    The golf club guy who was arrested for obstruction (which is illegal), not golf club strolling, is suing Seattle police dept. for $750,000

    It would be great if all the Seattle club toting demonstrators had their tax dollars go to the cop and the club guy for their lawsuits, then watch them cry when their taxes go up.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thecentaur:

    Listen, this cop lady didn't just speed around a corner and happen to stop right where a guy was standing with a golf club.  Pretty safe assumption there was a complaint from a citizen or business owner for whatever reason which she was responding to.

    Look, I'm no fan of cops generally.  Many are not all that intelligent and love the power trip.  However, anyone who has ever held a golf club knows an iron makes an awful cane.  That whole premise is absurd.  A putter is about the only club that would be good for a cane, and that wasn't a putter.  I would not be surprised if more info came out about a history with this guy an the use of his golf club cane.

    You need to stop making assumptions and watch the video or read  some of the articles on the internet.

    "It's about you swinging the golf club at me at 11 and  Pike " 

    Stated Officer Whitlatch .

    I am not sure about any previous incident but Officer Whitlatch did not say anything about complaint from citizen or business owner.

    if Mr Wingate swung the golf club at officer Whitlatch then
    How did Mr Wingate manage to escape ?

    It's weird 
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    Quote Originally Posted by thecentaur:

    Listen, this cop lady didn't just speed around a corner and happen to stop right where a guy was standing with a golf club.  Pretty safe assumption there was a complaint from a citizen or business owner for whatever reason which she was responding to.

    Look, I'm no fan of cops generally.  Many are not all that intelligent and love the power trip.  However, anyone who has ever held a golf club knows an iron makes an awful cane.  That whole premise is absurd.  A putter is about the only club that would be good for a cane, and that wasn't a putter.  I would not be surprised if more info came out about a history with this guy an the use of his golf club cane.

    You need to stop making assumptions and watch the video or read  some of the articles on the internet.

    "It's about you swinging the golf club at me at 11 and  Pike " 

    Stated Officer Whitlatch .

    I am not sure about any previous incident but Officer Whitlatch did not say anything about complaint from citizen or business owner.

    if Mr Wingate swung the golf club at officer Whitlatch then
    How did Mr Wingate manage to escape ?

    It's weird 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by adamjoe:

    My point of offering a scenario is not to excuse stupid behavior, it was to demonstrate that our judicial system is based on the idea that you are innocent until proven guilty.   This man has every right to walk aroNO, I would not go into a church or dr office with my tool belt on, but I have the right to do so.
    Last time I checked, stupid/odd behavior isn't illegal.

    BTW, you all know damn well that if the man was white, he wouldn't have been given a second thought.

    Judging from Officer Whitlatch's facebook post, you are probably right 
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    Quote Originally Posted by adamjoe:

    My point of offering a scenario is not to excuse stupid behavior, it was to demonstrate that our judicial system is based on the idea that you are innocent until proven guilty.   This man has every right to walk aroNO, I would not go into a church or dr office with my tool belt on, but I have the right to do so.
    Last time I checked, stupid/odd behavior isn't illegal.

    BTW, you all know damn well that if the man was white, he wouldn't have been given a second thought.

    Judging from Officer Whitlatch's facebook post, you are probably right 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    I think this is about a power hungry pig harassing a guy. Why would she say he tried to hit her with the club? Why wouldn't she just say she got a call and people were perceiving his 5 iron cane as a threat? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    I think this is about a power hungry pig harassing a guy. Why would she say he tried to hit her with the club? Why wouldn't she just say she got a call and people were perceiving his 5 iron cane as a threat? 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:


    You need to stop making assumptions and watch the video or read  some of the articles on the internet.

    "It's about you swinging the golf club at me at 11 and  Pike " 

    Stated Officer Whitlatch .

    I am not sure about any previous incident but Officer Whitlatch did not say anything about complaint from citizen or business owner.

    if Mr Wingate swung the golf club at officer Whitlatch then
    How did Mr Wingate manage to escape ?

    It's weird 
    Ok well that would be even more of a justification.  If she is saying the guy swung the club at her previously as she drove by at some other location and it was not being taped at that time, then he is lying.  My point is from the video evidence she wasn't just cruising around and all of a sudden decided to harass some black guy. 

    I would think every public square foot of downtown Seattle is being recorded by some camera, so it shouldn't be too hard to determine who is lying.  Sounds like this cop has already made enemies in the dept. with her previous antics and lawsuits.  Having myself dealt with law enforcement I know when trying to secure video evidence of a crime you are at the mercy of the motivation and competency of the police.  Assuming they already don't care for her she shouldn't expect any help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:


    You need to stop making assumptions and watch the video or read  some of the articles on the internet.

    "It's about you swinging the golf club at me at 11 and  Pike " 

    Stated Officer Whitlatch .

    I am not sure about any previous incident but Officer Whitlatch did not say anything about complaint from citizen or business owner.

    if Mr Wingate swung the golf club at officer Whitlatch then
    How did Mr Wingate manage to escape ?

    It's weird 
    Ok well that would be even more of a justification.  If she is saying the guy swung the club at her previously as she drove by at some other location and it was not being taped at that time, then he is lying.  My point is from the video evidence she wasn't just cruising around and all of a sudden decided to harass some black guy. 

    I would think every public square foot of downtown Seattle is being recorded by some camera, so it shouldn't be too hard to determine who is lying.  Sounds like this cop has already made enemies in the dept. with her previous antics and lawsuits.  Having myself dealt with law enforcement I know when trying to secure video evidence of a crime you are at the mercy of the motivation and competency of the police.  Assuming they already don't care for her she shouldn't expect any help.
     
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    Yeah the cop says it's about him swinging the golf club at her earlier at a different location which isn't shown in the video.  Would love to see footage of what happened then to see if she is completely lying or the club guy is lying. 

    My suspicion is she initially drove by him slowly at another location checking him and his golf club out. He didn't like it and felt harrassed, so made some sort of threatening gesture or swing with the club.  She didn't like that show of disrespect to her authoritie and tracked him to that corner. 

    I hope we can at some point see video of the location where the alleged club swinging occurred.  Both of them are frivolous lawsuit filing leeches so I don't put anything past either one.
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    Yeah the cop says it's about him swinging the golf club at her earlier at a different location which isn't shown in the video.  Would love to see footage of what happened then to see if she is completely lying or the club guy is lying. 

    My suspicion is she initially drove by him slowly at another location checking him and his golf club out. He didn't like it and felt harrassed, so made some sort of threatening gesture or swing with the club.  She didn't like that show of disrespect to her authoritie and tracked him to that corner. 

    I hope we can at some point see video of the location where the alleged club swinging occurred.  Both of them are frivolous lawsuit filing leeches so I don't put anything past either one.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thecentaur:

    Yeah the cop says it's about him swinging the golf club at her earlier at a different location which isn't shown in the video.  Would love to see footage of what happened then to see if she is completely lying or the club guy is lying. 


    My suspicion is she initially drove by him slowly at another location checking him and his golf club out. He didn't like it and felt harrassed, so made some sort of threatening gesture or swing with the club.  She didn't like that show of disrespect to her authoritie and tracked him to that corner. 

    I hope we can at some point see video of the location where the alleged club swinging occurred.  Both of them are frivolous lawsuit filing leeches so I don't put anything past either one.

    Are you arguing simply to be difficult or contrary?

    "The allegation that he swung at the police car," said city council member Bruce Harrell, who subsequently got involved in the case, "wasn't corroborated by any other facts and was not caught on any video. What was caught on video was him minding his own business with the golf club at his side."

    "You just swung that golf club at me," Whitlatch yells.

    "No, I did not!" exclaims Wingate.

    "Right back there," Whitlatch says back. "It was on audio and video tape."

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    Quote Originally Posted by thecentaur:

    Yeah the cop says it's about him swinging the golf club at her earlier at a different location which isn't shown in the video.  Would love to see footage of what happened then to see if she is completely lying or the club guy is lying. 


    My suspicion is she initially drove by him slowly at another location checking him and his golf club out. He didn't like it and felt harrassed, so made some sort of threatening gesture or swing with the club.  She didn't like that show of disrespect to her authoritie and tracked him to that corner. 

    I hope we can at some point see video of the location where the alleged club swinging occurred.  Both of them are frivolous lawsuit filing leeches so I don't put anything past either one.

    Are you arguing simply to be difficult or contrary?

    "The allegation that he swung at the police car," said city council member Bruce Harrell, who subsequently got involved in the case, "wasn't corroborated by any other facts and was not caught on any video. What was caught on video was him minding his own business with the golf club at his side."

    "You just swung that golf club at me," Whitlatch yells.

    "No, I did not!" exclaims Wingate.

    "Right back there," Whitlatch says back. "It was on audio and video tape."

     
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    This Seattle times report has more info

    https://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2025634107_officeremailxml.html

    The in-car video had not been obtained by the City Attorney’s Office when Wingate, in consultation with an appointed defender, agreed to the deal, Kimberly Mills, spokeswoman for the office, said Thursday.

    At the time, there was a lag of days or weeks to obtain video, and it was not needed after the deal was struck because the case had concluded, Mills said.

    In late August, a personal representative of Wingate’s called City Attorney Pete Holmes to express concerns about Wingate’s case, Mills said.

    At the request of prosecutors, a judge dismissed the charge Sept. 19.

    Whitlatch, in her version of events, wrote in her report that while driving in her patrol car, she saw Wingate walking on Capitol Hill.

    Whitlatch wrote that she made eye contact with Wingate, who was carrying a golf club he was using like a cane.

    Whitlatch said as she turned, she saw Wingate raise the club and start to swing it.

    “As I passed I heard the loud metallic sound of the golf club hitting the metal stop sign post,” she wrote.

    While looking back in her rearview mirror, Whitlatch wrote, she saw Wingate still looking toward her. He swung the club twice toward her car, she added.

    Whitlatch wrote that she wasn’t certain Wingate’s action was “directed at me” until she saw him in the rearview mirror. Whitlatch’s in-car video did not capture those events.





    it looks like the case was not handled properly.


    IfF the golf club hist the STOP's sign thne

    was th STOP sign checked for damages


    or


    any eye witness ?


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    This Seattle times report has more info

    https://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2025634107_officeremailxml.html

    The in-car video had not been obtained by the City Attorney’s Office when Wingate, in consultation with an appointed defender, agreed to the deal, Kimberly Mills, spokeswoman for the office, said Thursday.

    At the time, there was a lag of days or weeks to obtain video, and it was not needed after the deal was struck because the case had concluded, Mills said.

    In late August, a personal representative of Wingate’s called City Attorney Pete Holmes to express concerns about Wingate’s case, Mills said.

    At the request of prosecutors, a judge dismissed the charge Sept. 19.

    Whitlatch, in her version of events, wrote in her report that while driving in her patrol car, she saw Wingate walking on Capitol Hill.

    Whitlatch wrote that she made eye contact with Wingate, who was carrying a golf club he was using like a cane.

    Whitlatch said as she turned, she saw Wingate raise the club and start to swing it.

    “As I passed I heard the loud metallic sound of the golf club hitting the metal stop sign post,” she wrote.

    While looking back in her rearview mirror, Whitlatch wrote, she saw Wingate still looking toward her. He swung the club twice toward her car, she added.

    Whitlatch wrote that she wasn’t certain Wingate’s action was “directed at me” until she saw him in the rearview mirror. Whitlatch’s in-car video did not capture those events.





    it looks like the case was not handled properly.


    IfF the golf club hist the STOP's sign thne

    was th STOP sign checked for damages


    or


    any eye witness ?


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:

    This Seattle times report has more info

    https://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2025634107_officeremailxml.html

    The in-car video had not been obtained by the City Attorney’s Office when Wingate, in consultation with an appointed defender, agreed to the deal, Kimberly Mills, spokeswoman for the office, said Thursday.

    At the time, there was a lag of days or weeks to obtain video, and it was not needed after the deal was struck because the case had concluded, Mills said.

    In late August, a personal representative of Wingate’s called City Attorney Pete Holmes to express concerns about Wingate’s case, Mills said.

    At the request of prosecutors, a judge dismissed the charge Sept. 19.

    Whitlatch, in her version of events, wrote in her report that while driving in her patrol car, she saw Wingate walking on Capitol Hill.

    Whitlatch wrote that she made eye contact with Wingate, who was carrying a golf club he was using like a cane.

    Whitlatch said as she turned, she saw Wingate raise the club and start to swing it.

    “As I passed I heard the loud metallic sound of the golf club hitting the metal stop sign post,” she wrote.

    While looking back in her rearview mirror, Whitlatch wrote, she saw Wingate still looking toward her. He swung the club twice toward her car, she added.

    Whitlatch wrote that she wasn’t certain Wingate’s action was “directed at me” until she saw him in the rearview mirror. Whitlatch’s in-car video did not capture those events.







    Thank you for posting this

    This is the point I have been trying to make the whole time.  The cop did not randomly seek out some black guy walking around with a golf club.

    There was some type of previous recent event with this guy.  Could she be completely making it up?  Yes, but I think it's unlikely.  If this happened as the vehicle was passing and then she saw him glaring at her in the rear view mirror, if the same camera is being used it would not have been caught on video.

    Smacking a stop sign and swinging it threateningly goes far beyond using it as a cane.  I cannot fathom that a reasonable person believes this should just be ignored by a police officer and he/she should leave him to walk around hitting stop signs with and swinging his golf club at people he doesn't like.

    I wish you would have pasted the whole article, including where it makes clear the incident happened prior to what the video shows.  I will post this very important part:

    Another officer who responded to the scene wrote in his own report that Wingate had repeatedly said he had done nothing wrong.

    But when asked if he had done something with the club that might have struck fear in the public or the officer, Wingate replied, “Maybe.” But Wingate said he didn’t think he did anything that warranted the police to get involved, the officer wrote.

    That article really sheds some light on this whole situation making it clear there is much more to this than what is shown on the video.  This is all I have been trying to say, so can we all just agree on that?



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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:

    This Seattle times report has more info

    https://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2025634107_officeremailxml.html

    The in-car video had not been obtained by the City Attorney’s Office when Wingate, in consultation with an appointed defender, agreed to the deal, Kimberly Mills, spokeswoman for the office, said Thursday.

    At the time, there was a lag of days or weeks to obtain video, and it was not needed after the deal was struck because the case had concluded, Mills said.

    In late August, a personal representative of Wingate’s called City Attorney Pete Holmes to express concerns about Wingate’s case, Mills said.

    At the request of prosecutors, a judge dismissed the charge Sept. 19.

    Whitlatch, in her version of events, wrote in her report that while driving in her patrol car, she saw Wingate walking on Capitol Hill.

    Whitlatch wrote that she made eye contact with Wingate, who was carrying a golf club he was using like a cane.

    Whitlatch said as she turned, she saw Wingate raise the club and start to swing it.

    “As I passed I heard the loud metallic sound of the golf club hitting the metal stop sign post,” she wrote.

    While looking back in her rearview mirror, Whitlatch wrote, she saw Wingate still looking toward her. He swung the club twice toward her car, she added.

    Whitlatch wrote that she wasn’t certain Wingate’s action was “directed at me” until she saw him in the rearview mirror. Whitlatch’s in-car video did not capture those events.







    Thank you for posting this

    This is the point I have been trying to make the whole time.  The cop did not randomly seek out some black guy walking around with a golf club.

    There was some type of previous recent event with this guy.  Could she be completely making it up?  Yes, but I think it's unlikely.  If this happened as the vehicle was passing and then she saw him glaring at her in the rear view mirror, if the same camera is being used it would not have been caught on video.

    Smacking a stop sign and swinging it threateningly goes far beyond using it as a cane.  I cannot fathom that a reasonable person believes this should just be ignored by a police officer and he/she should leave him to walk around hitting stop signs with and swinging his golf club at people he doesn't like.

    I wish you would have pasted the whole article, including where it makes clear the incident happened prior to what the video shows.  I will post this very important part:

    Another officer who responded to the scene wrote in his own report that Wingate had repeatedly said he had done nothing wrong.

    But when asked if he had done something with the club that might have struck fear in the public or the officer, Wingate replied, “Maybe.” But Wingate said he didn’t think he did anything that warranted the police to get involved, the officer wrote.

    That article really sheds some light on this whole situation making it clear there is much more to this than what is shown on the video.  This is all I have been trying to say, so can we all just agree on that?



     
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    Agree on what ?

    Say for the sake of discussion that the golf club hit the stop sign
    was the stop sign checked ?

    was Wingate swinging the golf club at her ?

    SPD has already investigated the whole incident .
    Do you think chargers would be dropped if there was any evidence Wingate did swing the golf club at her 
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    Agree on what ?

    Say for the sake of discussion that the golf club hit the stop sign
    was the stop sign checked ?

    was Wingate swinging the golf club at her ?

    SPD has already investigated the whole incident .
    Do you think chargers would be dropped if there was any evidence Wingate did swing the golf club at her 
     
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    chargers = charges 
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    chargers = charges 
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:

    Agree on what ?

    Say for the sake of discussion that the golf club hit the stop sign
    was the stop sign checked ?

    Are you serious with that?  The golf club hit the stop sign?  Uh, no the question is did he swing and hit the stop sign with the golf club.  You are doing what liberal lemmings love to do, removing any possible blame or accountability from the suspect.  Hey maybe the golf club came to life and jerked Wingates arms around making it hit the stop sign.

    What I am asking to agree upon is there is a lot more to this than a cop rolling on up to some poor old veteran minding his own business and harassing him.  Wingate admits to such when replying maybe he did act threatening with the club, and he obviously isn't referring to anything on that video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:

    Agree on what ?

    Say for the sake of discussion that the golf club hit the stop sign
    was the stop sign checked ?

    Are you serious with that?  The golf club hit the stop sign?  Uh, no the question is did he swing and hit the stop sign with the golf club.  You are doing what liberal lemmings love to do, removing any possible blame or accountability from the suspect.  Hey maybe the golf club came to life and jerked Wingates arms around making it hit the stop sign.

    What I am asking to agree upon is there is a lot more to this than a cop rolling on up to some poor old veteran minding his own business and harassing him.  Wingate admits to such when replying maybe he did act threatening with the club, and he obviously isn't referring to anything on that video.
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