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    ilsp2003
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    Posted: Feb. 13, 2015 - 6:33 PM ET #1

    1) 70 year old military veteran arrested for using a golf club as walking cane

    Officer Cynthia Whitlatch claimed that William Wingate swung his club at her. 

    The footage of the incident showed no such maneuver.

    She lied !!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyO7cFApbwE

    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/seattle-arrests-military-vet-golf-club-cane-article-1.2096316

    "You're not free to leave" shouted Officer Whitlatch 

    WTF ?   This is a free country  


    2)   New Records Show Years of Concern About SPD Officer Whitlatch's Behavior (Including a Petco Incident in 1997)


     https://www.thestranger.com/blogs/slog/2015/02/12/21689171/new-records-show-years-of-concern-about-spd-officer-whitlatchs-behavior-including-a-petco-incident-in-1997


    3) Ex-Girlfriend Says Golf Club Cop Cynthia Whitlatch Is "a Racist" Who Once "Stole Marijuana" from SPD Evidence

    https://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2015/01/29/ex-tukwila-cop-says-spd-officer-cynthia-whitlatch-is-a-racist-who-once-stole-marijuana-from-police-evidence


    4)  Racist comments on Whitlatch's Facebook post
    https://www.facebook.com/strangerseattle/posts/10153136182740992


    5) 57 yeard Indian Grandfather  left paralyzed  by Alabama Police Officer

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9Vgqe0SBLM

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/02/11/alabama-cops-leave-a-grandfather-partially-paralyzed-after-frisk-goes-awry/






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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    1) 70 year old military veteran arrested for using a golf club as walking cane

    Officer Cynthia Whitlatch claimed that William Wingate swung his club at her. 

    The footage of the incident showed no such maneuver.

    She lied !!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyO7cFApbwE

    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/seattle-arrests-military-vet-golf-club-cane-article-1.2096316

    "You're not free to leave" shouted Officer Whitlatch 

    WTF ?   This is a free country  


    2)   New Records Show Years of Concern About SPD Officer Whitlatch's Behavior (Including a Petco Incident in 1997)


     https://www.thestranger.com/blogs/slog/2015/02/12/21689171/new-records-show-years-of-concern-about-spd-officer-whitlatchs-behavior-including-a-petco-incident-in-1997


    3) Ex-Girlfriend Says Golf Club Cop Cynthia Whitlatch Is "a Racist" Who Once "Stole Marijuana" from SPD Evidence

    https://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2015/01/29/ex-tukwila-cop-says-spd-officer-cynthia-whitlatch-is-a-racist-who-once-stole-marijuana-from-police-evidence


    4)  Racist comments on Whitlatch's Facebook post
    https://www.facebook.com/strangerseattle/posts/10153136182740992


    5) 57 yeard Indian Grandfather  left paralyzed  by Alabama Police Officer

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9Vgqe0SBLM

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/02/11/alabama-cops-leave-a-grandfather-partially-paralyzed-after-frisk-goes-awry/






     
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    Posted: Feb. 13, 2015 - 6:36 PM ET #2

    https://whnt.com/2015/02/12/madison-police-to-hold-news-conference-today-support-coming-for-indian-man-badly-injured/
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    https://whnt.com/2015/02/12/madison-police-to-hold-news-conference-today-support-coming-for-indian-man-badly-injured/
     
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    Posted: Feb. 13, 2015 - 6:37 PM ET #3

    He seems to walk fine without a golf club.   Soon people walk around with a bat as a cane. 

    Some people need keep their mouth shut.  
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    He seems to walk fine without a golf club.   Soon people walk around with a bat as a cane. 

    Some people need keep their mouth shut.  
     
    ilsp2003
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    Posted: Feb. 13, 2015 - 6:41 PM ET #4

    what's your point ?

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    what's your point ?

     
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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2015 - 5:05 AM ET #5

    Cops have become thugs. its time to police the police, something has to give before things go real bad in this country.
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    Cops have become thugs. its time to police the police, something has to give before things go real bad in this country.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2015 - 8:43 PM ET #6

    What a f88888888 a$$$hole.

    No evidence whatsoever he swung the golf club.

    Please someone tell me this fu77 was fired.
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    What a f88888888 a$$$hole.

    No evidence whatsoever he swung the golf club.

    Please someone tell me this fu77 was fired.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2015 - 9:06 PM ET #7

    Female cops = the lowest form of species on this planet. Giving a weapon to someone who already has a chip on their shoulder does not a good move make.
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    Female cops = the lowest form of species on this planet. Giving a weapon to someone who already has a chip on their shoulder does not a good move make.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 14, 2015 - 9:08 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by Syddigsform of species on this planet. Giving a weapon to someone wh:

    Female cops = the lowest o already has a chip on their shoulder does not a good move make.

    Double light bulbs brother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syddigsform of species on this planet. Giving a weapon to someone wh:

    Female cops = the lowest o already has a chip on their shoulder does not a good move make.

    Double light bulbs brother.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2015 - 5:00 AM ET #9

    Wow police have better things to do I would think

    Judging from the video though, it looks like she is responding to a complaint, not just patrolling and then spotted him

    Blatant lie about swinging the golf club, what was she thinking?

    I think it could have been handled better from both sides though.  The guy immediately was defiant and argumentative, and it probably is technically illegal to walk around in public with something like a golfclub.  Would have been cool if it was a bat, or a sword would have been the best
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    Wow police have better things to do I would think

    Judging from the video though, it looks like she is responding to a complaint, not just patrolling and then spotted him

    Blatant lie about swinging the golf club, what was she thinking?

    I think it could have been handled better from both sides though.  The guy immediately was defiant and argumentative, and it probably is technically illegal to walk around in public with something like a golfclub.  Would have been cool if it was a bat, or a sword would have been the best
     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2015 - 10:07 AM ET #10

     Officer Cynthia Whitlatch is not  paid to harass, lie and provoke people

    She was the instigator of the whole incident

    There is nothing illegal  with using a golf club as walking cane.

    Williams Wingate  stated that he has been walking around with the golf club for 20 years

    How come he never got a police citation ?

    what if Williams Wingate was going to play golf ?

    what would be your reaction IF you were wrongfully accused of something you did not do ?

    The elderly man was clearly  frustrated due to the stress  that comes with being wrongly accused.


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     Officer Cynthia Whitlatch is not  paid to harass, lie and provoke people

    She was the instigator of the whole incident

    There is nothing illegal  with using a golf club as walking cane.

    Williams Wingate  stated that he has been walking around with the golf club for 20 years

    How come he never got a police citation ?

    what if Williams Wingate was going to play golf ?

    what would be your reaction IF you were wrongfully accused of something you did not do ?

    The elderly man was clearly  frustrated due to the stress  that comes with being wrongly accused.


     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2015 - 10:16 AM ET #11

    Commenting on Facebook, Whitlatch called civil unrest in Ferguson, Missouri following the police shooting on an unarmed black teenager “chronic black racism," as pointed out by The Stranger.

    “I am tired of black peoples [sic] paranoia that white people are out to get them,” she wrote. "I am tired of hearing a black racist tell me the only reason they are being contacted is because they are black solely because I am NOT black."


    Office Whitlatch Facebook post

    https://www.thestranger.com/images/blogimages/2015/01/28/1422482281-image4_copy.png
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    Commenting on Facebook, Whitlatch called civil unrest in Ferguson, Missouri following the police shooting on an unarmed black teenager “chronic black racism," as pointed out by The Stranger.

    “I am tired of black peoples [sic] paranoia that white people are out to get them,” she wrote. "I am tired of hearing a black racist tell me the only reason they are being contacted is because they are black solely because I am NOT black."


    Office Whitlatch Facebook post

    https://www.thestranger.com/images/blogimages/2015/01/28/1422482281-image4_copy.png
     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2015 - 10:17 AM ET #12

    https://rt.com/usa/227575-golf-club-arrest-seattle/
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    https://rt.com/usa/227575-golf-club-arrest-seattle/
     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2015 - 11:00 AM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by Syddigs:

    Female cops = the lowest form of species on this planet. Giving a weapon to someone who already has a chip on their shoulder does not a good move make.
    Ridiculous statement.  This is akin to: "all black people are criminals", or "all Hispanics are farm laborers", or "all Asians are bad drivers"

    One problem that society faces is that most people do not know their Constitutional rights.  You are free to move about as you see fit and police officers do not have the right of detain you without a reason.  If stopped, you do not have to answer any questions, you do not have to tell the officers ANYTHING (right to remain silent).  Officers will ask you questions in order to establish probable cause (where are you going, what are you doing, etc.) so that they can escalate the interrogation.  The only thing you have to do when stopped by an officer is identify yourself.  They must identify their reason for stopping you and cannot detain you for an unreasonable amount of time.
    Watch the show "cops", it is amazing the amount of people that freely give officers ammunition to harass.
    There are many good articles online about how to handle yourself should you be stopped. Know your rights, don't allow yourself to be harassed.
    With that being said, the street is no place to argue your rights.  Be respectful and  keep your mouth shut.  You will get a court hearing and anyone that graduated law school will be able to get you cleared (as long as you are innocent!)

    The man with the golf club has every right to walk around with it.  Maybe he just bought it from someone and is walking to his car.  As far as it being perceived as a weapon?  You can make that case for literally anything.  A regular walking cane could be used as a weapon just as easily as a golf club.  I do some contracting on the side and often have a tool belt on with a hammer and utility knife...are these weapons too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syddigs:

    Female cops = the lowest form of species on this planet. Giving a weapon to someone who already has a chip on their shoulder does not a good move make.
    Ridiculous statement.  This is akin to: "all black people are criminals", or "all Hispanics are farm laborers", or "all Asians are bad drivers"

    One problem that society faces is that most people do not know their Constitutional rights.  You are free to move about as you see fit and police officers do not have the right of detain you without a reason.  If stopped, you do not have to answer any questions, you do not have to tell the officers ANYTHING (right to remain silent).  Officers will ask you questions in order to establish probable cause (where are you going, what are you doing, etc.) so that they can escalate the interrogation.  The only thing you have to do when stopped by an officer is identify yourself.  They must identify their reason for stopping you and cannot detain you for an unreasonable amount of time.
    Watch the show "cops", it is amazing the amount of people that freely give officers ammunition to harass.
    There are many good articles online about how to handle yourself should you be stopped. Know your rights, don't allow yourself to be harassed.
    With that being said, the street is no place to argue your rights.  Be respectful and  keep your mouth shut.  You will get a court hearing and anyone that graduated law school will be able to get you cleared (as long as you are innocent!)

    The man with the golf club has every right to walk around with it.  Maybe he just bought it from someone and is walking to his car.  As far as it being perceived as a weapon?  You can make that case for literally anything.  A regular walking cane could be used as a weapon just as easily as a golf club.  I do some contracting on the side and often have a tool belt on with a hammer and utility knife...are these weapons too?

     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2015 - 11:04 AM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by adamjoe:

    Ridiculous statement.  This is akin to: "all black people are criminals", or "all Hispanics are farm laborers", or "all Asians are bad drivers"

    One problem that society faces is that most people do not know their Constitutional rights.  You are free to move about as you see fit and police officers do not have the right of detain you without a reason.  If stopped, you do not have to answer any questions, you do not have to tell the officers ANYTHING (right to remain silent).  Officers will ask you questions in order to establish probable cause (where are you going, what are you doing, etc.) so that they can escalate the interrogation.  The only thing you have to do when stopped by an officer is identify yourself.  They must identify their reason for stopping you and cannot detain you for an unreasonable amount of time.
    Watch the show "cops", it is amazing the amount of people that freely give officers ammunition to harass.
    There are many good articles online about how to handle yourself should you be stopped. Know your rights, don't allow yourself to be harassed.
    With that being said, the street is no place to argue your rights.  Be respectful and  keep your mouth shut.  You will get a court hearing and anyone that graduated law school will be able to get you cleared (as long as you are innocent!)

    The man with the golf club has every right to walk around with it.  Maybe he just bought it from someone and is walking to his car.  As far as it being perceived as a weapon?  You can make that case for literally anything.  A regular walking cane could be used as a weapon just as easily as a golf club.  I do some contracting on the side and often have a tool belt on with a hammer and utility knife...are these weapons too?


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    Quote Originally Posted by adamjoe:

    Ridiculous statement.  This is akin to: "all black people are criminals", or "all Hispanics are farm laborers", or "all Asians are bad drivers"

    One problem that society faces is that most people do not know their Constitutional rights.  You are free to move about as you see fit and police officers do not have the right of detain you without a reason.  If stopped, you do not have to answer any questions, you do not have to tell the officers ANYTHING (right to remain silent).  Officers will ask you questions in order to establish probable cause (where are you going, what are you doing, etc.) so that they can escalate the interrogation.  The only thing you have to do when stopped by an officer is identify yourself.  They must identify their reason for stopping you and cannot detain you for an unreasonable amount of time.
    Watch the show "cops", it is amazing the amount of people that freely give officers ammunition to harass.
    There are many good articles online about how to handle yourself should you be stopped. Know your rights, don't allow yourself to be harassed.
    With that being said, the street is no place to argue your rights.  Be respectful and  keep your mouth shut.  You will get a court hearing and anyone that graduated law school will be able to get you cleared (as long as you are innocent!)

    The man with the golf club has every right to walk around with it.  Maybe he just bought it from someone and is walking to his car.  As far as it being perceived as a weapon?  You can make that case for literally anything.  A regular walking cane could be used as a weapon just as easily as a golf club.  I do some contracting on the side and often have a tool belt on with a hammer and utility knife...are these weapons too?


     
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    Listen, this cop lady didn't just speed around a corner and happen to stop right where a guy was standing with a golf club.  Pretty safe assumption there was a complaint from a citizen or business owner for whatever reason which she was responding to.

    Look, I'm no fan of cops generally.  Many are not all that intelligent and love the power trip.  However, anyone who has ever held a golf club knows an iron makes an awful cane.  That whole premise is absurd.  A putter is about the only club that would be good for a cane, and that wasn't a putter.  I would not be surprised if more info came out about a history with this guy an the use of his golf club cane.
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    Listen, this cop lady didn't just speed around a corner and happen to stop right where a guy was standing with a golf club.  Pretty safe assumption there was a complaint from a citizen or business owner for whatever reason which she was responding to.

    Look, I'm no fan of cops generally.  Many are not all that intelligent and love the power trip.  However, anyone who has ever held a golf club knows an iron makes an awful cane.  That whole premise is absurd.  A putter is about the only club that would be good for a cane, and that wasn't a putter.  I would not be surprised if more info came out about a history with this guy an the use of his golf club cane.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by adamjoe:

    As far as it being perceived as a weapon?  You can make that case for literally anything.  A regular walking cane could be used as a weapon just as easily as a golf club.  I do some contracting on the side and often have a tool belt on with a hammer and utility knife...are these weapons too?

    Yes, the cop handled it badly.

    However, would you go into a church, or a doctor's office with a tool belt on?  It's inappropriate, just like walking around downtown with a golfclub. 

    A golf club and a toolbelt is an inaccurate comparison IMO.  A golfclub is either used on the course or as a self defense weapon.  MAYBE he uses it as a cane/self defense weapon, but you can't have downtown Seattle full of old war veterans walking around with golfclubs.  BTW, in a fight between a guy with a golf club and a guy with a toolbelt, guess who wins almost every time. 

    I hope Seattle does organize a protest downtown and everyone brings an iron like the article said they were thinking of doing.  They'll find out real quick how ridiculous it is to walk around in a crowd with a golfclub.  Clubs are designed and weighted to beat the crap out of whatever it hits with as little effort as possible.  That's supposed to be a ball but a bunch of shins and elbows will do fine
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    Quote Originally Posted by adamjoe:

    As far as it being perceived as a weapon?  You can make that case for literally anything.  A regular walking cane could be used as a weapon just as easily as a golf club.  I do some contracting on the side and often have a tool belt on with a hammer and utility knife...are these weapons too?

    Yes, the cop handled it badly.

    However, would you go into a church, or a doctor's office with a tool belt on?  It's inappropriate, just like walking around downtown with a golfclub. 

    A golf club and a toolbelt is an inaccurate comparison IMO.  A golfclub is either used on the course or as a self defense weapon.  MAYBE he uses it as a cane/self defense weapon, but you can't have downtown Seattle full of old war veterans walking around with golfclubs.  BTW, in a fight between a guy with a golf club and a guy with a toolbelt, guess who wins almost every time. 

    I hope Seattle does organize a protest downtown and everyone brings an iron like the article said they were thinking of doing.  They'll find out real quick how ridiculous it is to walk around in a crowd with a golfclub.  Clubs are designed and weighted to beat the crap out of whatever it hits with as little effort as possible.  That's supposed to be a ball but a bunch of shins and elbows will do fine
     
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    Look, listen, however... This cop is a moron. End of story. BTW, I'll give you a five iron and I'll take a hammer. I'll turn your brain into jelly. 

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    Look, listen, however... This cop is a moron. End of story. BTW, I'll give you a five iron and I'll take a hammer. I'll turn your brain into jelly. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thecentaur:

    Listen, this cop lady didn't just speed around a corner and happen to stop right where a guy was standing with a golf club.  Pretty safe assumption there was a complaint from a citizen or business owner for whatever reason which she was responding to.

    Look, I'm no fan of cops generally.  Many are not all that intelligent and love the power trip.  However, anyone who has ever held a golf club knows an iron makes an awful cane.  That whole premise is absurd.  A putter is about the only club that would be good for a cane, and that wasn't a putter.  I would not be surprised if more info came out about a history with this guy an the use of his golf club cane.

    Wow folks, there ya have it.

    This is why I don't comment in GD much anymore on issues such as these. The level of critical thinking is so far beyond anything even mildly respectable for an adult, I can't even associate with some of these people.

    This poster is attempting to shift blame from a cop (who not only is apparently caught in a lie, but has a history of police abuse of power as detailed in the OP) to a citizen because he believes the only golf club you should use as a cane is a putter.

    What if the guy....DOESN'T OWN A PUTTER???

    I mean, we all have full golf club bags hanging around with every club at our disposal (and even a caddy to follow us to the grocery store with if necessary).

    Next thing ya know he'll be telling you a 7 iron isn't appropriate to remove debris from your gutter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thecentaur:

    Listen, this cop lady didn't just speed around a corner and happen to stop right where a guy was standing with a golf club.  Pretty safe assumption there was a complaint from a citizen or business owner for whatever reason which she was responding to.

    Look, I'm no fan of cops generally.  Many are not all that intelligent and love the power trip.  However, anyone who has ever held a golf club knows an iron makes an awful cane.  That whole premise is absurd.  A putter is about the only club that would be good for a cane, and that wasn't a putter.  I would not be surprised if more info came out about a history with this guy an the use of his golf club cane.

    Wow folks, there ya have it.

    This is why I don't comment in GD much anymore on issues such as these. The level of critical thinking is so far beyond anything even mildly respectable for an adult, I can't even associate with some of these people.

    This poster is attempting to shift blame from a cop (who not only is apparently caught in a lie, but has a history of police abuse of power as detailed in the OP) to a citizen because he believes the only golf club you should use as a cane is a putter.

    What if the guy....DOESN'T OWN A PUTTER???

    I mean, we all have full golf club bags hanging around with every club at our disposal (and even a caddy to follow us to the grocery store with if necessary).

    Next thing ya know he'll be telling you a 7 iron isn't appropriate to remove debris from your gutter.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    Wow folks, there ya have it.

    This is why I don't comment in GD much anymore on issues such as these. The level of critical thinking is so far beyond anything even mildly respectable for an adult, I can't even associate with some of these people.

    This poster is attempting to shift blame from a cop (who not only is apparently caught in a lie, but has a history of police abuse of power as detailed in the OP) to a citizen because he believes the only golf club you should use as a cane is a putter.

    What if the guy....DOESN'T OWN A PUTTER???

    I mean, we all have full golf club bags hanging around with every club at our disposal (and even a caddy to follow us to the grocery store with if necessary).

    Next thing ya know he'll be telling you a 7 iron isn't appropriate to remove debris from your gutter.



    It's so entertaining reading people try to create what if scenarios to excuse stupid behavior.  What if he didn't own a putter?  What if he just bought the club?  What if he was on his way to a golf demonstration a couple of blocks away?  It's laughable

    I have said from the beginning this cop is a liar and handled it in a ridiculous manner.  This dude is an idiot too though.  Walk around a crowded downtown with an iron, then instead of just dropping the club and then questioning the cop decide to be confrontational.

    Oh and I_Need_A_Delouse, I would gladly accept your challenge, u wielding a hammer and me a 5 iron.  You would have to repost in the worst injury thread soon after.  A 5 iron against a hammer...are you high or someth...oh wait
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    Wow folks, there ya have it.

    This is why I don't comment in GD much anymore on issues such as these. The level of critical thinking is so far beyond anything even mildly respectable for an adult, I can't even associate with some of these people.

    This poster is attempting to shift blame from a cop (who not only is apparently caught in a lie, but has a history of police abuse of power as detailed in the OP) to a citizen because he believes the only golf club you should use as a cane is a putter.

    What if the guy....DOESN'T OWN A PUTTER???

    I mean, we all have full golf club bags hanging around with every club at our disposal (and even a caddy to follow us to the grocery store with if necessary).

    Next thing ya know he'll be telling you a 7 iron isn't appropriate to remove debris from your gutter.



    It's so entertaining reading people try to create what if scenarios to excuse stupid behavior.  What if he didn't own a putter?  What if he just bought the club?  What if he was on his way to a golf demonstration a couple of blocks away?  It's laughable

    I have said from the beginning this cop is a liar and handled it in a ridiculous manner.  This dude is an idiot too though.  Walk around a crowded downtown with an iron, then instead of just dropping the club and then questioning the cop decide to be confrontational.

    Oh and I_Need_A_Delouse, I would gladly accept your challenge, u wielding a hammer and me a 5 iron.  You would have to repost in the worst injury thread soon after.  A 5 iron against a hammer...are you high or someth...oh wait
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Look, listen, however... This cop is a moron. End of story. BTW, I'll give you a five iron and I'll take a hammer. I'll turn your brain into jelly. 



    Reading your posts........it appears you lost
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Look, listen, however... This cop is a moron. End of story. BTW, I'll give you a five iron and I'll take a hammer. I'll turn your brain into jelly. 



    Reading your posts........it appears you lost
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thecentaur:



    It's so entertaining reading people try to create what if scenarios to excuse stupid behavior.  What if he didn't own a putter?  What if he just bought the club?  What if he was on his way to a golf demonstration a couple of blocks away?  It's laughable

    I have said from the beginning this cop is a liar and handled it in a ridiculous manner.  This dude is an idiot too though.  Walk around a crowded downtown with an iron, then instead of just dropping the club and then questioning the cop decide to be confrontational.

    Oh and I_Need_A_Delouse, I would gladly accept your challenge, u wielding a hammer and me a 5 iron.  You would have to repost in the worst injury thread soon after.  A 5 iron against a hammer...are you high or someth...oh wait

     

    My god, here they go again.

     

    YOU ARE the one making excuses for the cop, subtly trying to shift blame by saying only a putter is reasonable to use as a cane.

    That is why I RESPONDED. You created the initial scenario to be contested and by the looks of it, are the only one her somehow trying to give the cop some reason to arrest this guy, even if it is the smallest of passes.

     

    And what's laughable about not owning a putter?

    If the guy really was using it as a cane, and it was the only club he owned, he can carry it around as a free citizen of this country, regardless of whether he owned 1,000 clubs or not, or 1,000 putters and one iron. There is NO THREAT and it is NOT ILLEGAL to do so and until the cop proves he swung the club at her, her lies don't hold water, and her history betrays her.

    So why are you still here and what is your point exactly? "She's a liar but he should have been using a putter as a cane ya know."???

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    Quote Originally Posted by thecentaur:



    It's so entertaining reading people try to create what if scenarios to excuse stupid behavior.  What if he didn't own a putter?  What if he just bought the club?  What if he was on his way to a golf demonstration a couple of blocks away?  It's laughable

    I have said from the beginning this cop is a liar and handled it in a ridiculous manner.  This dude is an idiot too though.  Walk around a crowded downtown with an iron, then instead of just dropping the club and then questioning the cop decide to be confrontational.

    Oh and I_Need_A_Delouse, I would gladly accept your challenge, u wielding a hammer and me a 5 iron.  You would have to repost in the worst injury thread soon after.  A 5 iron against a hammer...are you high or someth...oh wait

     

    My god, here they go again.

     

    YOU ARE the one making excuses for the cop, subtly trying to shift blame by saying only a putter is reasonable to use as a cane.

    That is why I RESPONDED. You created the initial scenario to be contested and by the looks of it, are the only one her somehow trying to give the cop some reason to arrest this guy, even if it is the smallest of passes.

     

    And what's laughable about not owning a putter?

    If the guy really was using it as a cane, and it was the only club he owned, he can carry it around as a free citizen of this country, regardless of whether he owned 1,000 clubs or not, or 1,000 putters and one iron. There is NO THREAT and it is NOT ILLEGAL to do so and until the cop proves he swung the club at her, her lies don't hold water, and her history betrays her.

    So why are you still here and what is your point exactly? "She's a liar but he should have been using a putter as a cane ya know."???

     
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    My point of offering a scenario is not to excuse stupid behavior, it was to demonstrate that our judicial system is based on the idea that you are innocent until proven guilty.   This man has every right to walk around with a golf club, no matter how "inappropriate" you deem it to be. 
    NO, I would not go into a church or dr office with my tool belt on, but I have the right to do so.
    Last time I checked, stupid/odd behavior isn't illegal.

    BTW, you all know damn well that if the man was white, he wouldn't have been given a second thought.
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    My point of offering a scenario is not to excuse stupid behavior, it was to demonstrate that our judicial system is based on the idea that you are innocent until proven guilty.   This man has every right to walk around with a golf club, no matter how "inappropriate" you deem it to be. 
    NO, I would not go into a church or dr office with my tool belt on, but I have the right to do so.
    Last time I checked, stupid/odd behavior isn't illegal.

    BTW, you all know damn well that if the man was white, he wouldn't have been given a second thought.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

     

    My god, here they go again.

     

    YOU ARE the one making excuses for the cop, subtly trying to shift blame by saying only a putter is reasonable to use as a cane.

    That is why I RESPONDED. You created the initial scenario to be contested and by the looks of it, are the only one her somehow trying to give the cop some reason to arrest this guy, even if it is the smallest of passes.

     

    And what's laughable about not owning a putter?

    If the guy really was using it as a cane, and it was the only club he owned, he can carry it around as a free citizen of this country, regardless of whether he owned 1,000 clubs or not, or 1,000 putters and one iron. There is NO THREAT and it is NOT ILLEGAL to do so and until the cop proves he swung the club at her, her lies don't hold water, and her history betrays her.

    So why are you still here and what is your point exactly? "She's a liar but he should have been using a putter as a cane ya know."???


    I didn't create the what if scenarios.  I was pointing out that from the video it looked very likely the cop was responding, and I was pointing out that the guy wasn't strolling around drinking coffee, he was walking around downtown with an iron, which is ridiculous behavior. 

    The putter comment was to make clear how absurd the claim of using an iron as just your cane is.  Either you don't really need a cane or you have the iron for something else, because it does not provide stable support like a putter, or even a damn stick would be much more effective.

    You keep commenting how it's so beneath you to have to read posts...well just go away...move along...from what I've read it seems unanimous (except for maybe Delouse and Jizzle77) this posting community would be happy with that
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

     

    My god, here they go again.

     

    YOU ARE the one making excuses for the cop, subtly trying to shift blame by saying only a putter is reasonable to use as a cane.

    That is why I RESPONDED. You created the initial scenario to be contested and by the looks of it, are the only one her somehow trying to give the cop some reason to arrest this guy, even if it is the smallest of passes.

     

    And what's laughable about not owning a putter?

    If the guy really was using it as a cane, and it was the only club he owned, he can carry it around as a free citizen of this country, regardless of whether he owned 1,000 clubs or not, or 1,000 putters and one iron. There is NO THREAT and it is NOT ILLEGAL to do so and until the cop proves he swung the club at her, her lies don't hold water, and her history betrays her.

    So why are you still here and what is your point exactly? "She's a liar but he should have been using a putter as a cane ya know."???


    I didn't create the what if scenarios.  I was pointing out that from the video it looked very likely the cop was responding, and I was pointing out that the guy wasn't strolling around drinking coffee, he was walking around downtown with an iron, which is ridiculous behavior. 

    The putter comment was to make clear how absurd the claim of using an iron as just your cane is.  Either you don't really need a cane or you have the iron for something else, because it does not provide stable support like a putter, or even a damn stick would be much more effective.

    You keep commenting how it's so beneath you to have to read posts...well just go away...move along...from what I've read it seems unanimous (except for maybe Delouse and Jizzle77) this posting community would be happy with that
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by adamjoe:

    My point of offering a scenario is not to excuse stupid behavior, it was to demonstrate that our judicial system is based on the idea that you are innocent until proven guilty.   This man has every right to walk around with a golf club, no matter how "inappropriate" you deem it to be. 
    NO, I would not go into a church or dr office with my tool belt on, but I have the right to do so.
    Last time I checked, stupid/odd behavior isn't illegal.

    BTW, you all know damn well that if the man was white, he wouldn't have been given a second thought.

    Thank you for responding in a civilized manner

    It's stupid behavior because of the danger, or perceived danger by those walking around him.  Just because it isn't illegal doesn't mean you are free to do anything in public.  For example I suspect you would be reprimanded for doing cartwheels down a sidewalk in the middle of downtown Seattle, and if you decided to then keep doing it and insisted you aren't doing anything wrong so stop bothering you, you would end up where this guy did.

    I also strongly disagree with your assertion that if he was white it would have been different.  I cannot imagine strolling around the mall, along a crowded sidewalk, or any other crowded place that isn't a pro shop and not inevitably being questioned by any law enforcement that notices and asked to leave the area or to get rid of the club. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by adamjoe:

    My point of offering a scenario is not to excuse stupid behavior, it was to demonstrate that our judicial system is based on the idea that you are innocent until proven guilty.   This man has every right to walk around with a golf club, no matter how "inappropriate" you deem it to be. 
    NO, I would not go into a church or dr office with my tool belt on, but I have the right to do so.
    Last time I checked, stupid/odd behavior isn't illegal.

    BTW, you all know damn well that if the man was white, he wouldn't have been given a second thought.

    Thank you for responding in a civilized manner

    It's stupid behavior because of the danger, or perceived danger by those walking around him.  Just because it isn't illegal doesn't mean you are free to do anything in public.  For example I suspect you would be reprimanded for doing cartwheels down a sidewalk in the middle of downtown Seattle, and if you decided to then keep doing it and insisted you aren't doing anything wrong so stop bothering you, you would end up where this guy did.

    I also strongly disagree with your assertion that if he was white it would have been different.  I cannot imagine strolling around the mall, along a crowded sidewalk, or any other crowded place that isn't a pro shop and not inevitably being questioned by any law enforcement that notices and asked to leave the area or to get rid of the club. 
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