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    babooey
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    Posted: Apr. 18, 2008 - 1:02 PM ET #201

    Hey I found a pic of Jack aka "Vanazack" at a Lakers game. Must be another super model he is with...
     
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    Hey I found a pic of Jack aka "Vanazack" at a Lakers game. Must be another super model he is with...
     
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    Posted: Apr. 18, 2008 - 7:40 PM ET #202

    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    It would be fun to enlighten the morons, but the entertainment value is just too high. 

    Ever think that some know the deal...they just dont like Zack anyway.  

    Who gives a fuck if its not really him in the picture...to me he's still a lying dickhead either way 

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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    It would be fun to enlighten the morons, but the entertainment value is just too high. 

    Ever think that some know the deal...they just dont like Zack anyway.  

    Who gives a fuck if its not really him in the picture...to me he's still a lying dickhead either way 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 18, 2008 - 8:01 PM ET #203

    3rd and long, my house is quite nice, actually, and I have wireless internet, so I can use it anywhere and anytime I want. Nice try .  

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    3rd and long, my house is quite nice, actually, and I have wireless internet, so I can use it anywhere and anytime I want. Nice try .  

     
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    Posted: Apr. 18, 2008 - 8:06 PM ET #204

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    Posted: Sep. 4, 2008 - 11:22 AM ET #205

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    Posted: Sep. 4, 2008 - 11:55 AM ET #206

    why the hell would you bump a 5 month old post with some damn popcorn???
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    why the hell would you bump a 5 month old post with some damn popcorn???
     
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    Posted: Sep. 6, 2008 - 2:05 AM ET #207

    Priceless.
     
    Chevyguy you seriously made me laugh for 3 minutes straight.  I read the whole thing and then 4 months later...some popcorn.  He must have been on Van's yacht messing with the time machine.
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    Priceless.
     
    Chevyguy you seriously made me laugh for 3 minutes straight.  I read the whole thing and then 4 months later...some popcorn.  He must have been on Van's yacht messing with the time machine.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 6, 2008 - 3:12 AM ET #208

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    Posted: Sep. 6, 2008 - 8:58 AM ET #209

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfather16:

       Vanzack and his imaginary "friends".

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfather16:

       Vanzack and his imaginary "friends".

     

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 6, 2008 - 8:59 AM ET #210

    Aaaahhhhhh the Yacht.....or is it the lawn maintnance company.
     
    Vanstank is a Fed.  Bank it.
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    Aaaahhhhhh the Yacht.....or is it the lawn maintnance company.
     
    Vanstank is a Fed.  Bank it.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2008 - 9:25 AM ET #211

    Quote Originally Posted by TheMoneyShot:

    Didn't see this thread until today...
     
    Let's get the story straight... Gambling is pure logic. You aren't going to win when emotions come into play. Just like vanzack said... you have to be a machine... a computer. A computer doesn't have feelings... it has a program... it runs the program. Where as humans have emotions... gambling becomes addicting and people seem to 2nd guess themseleves on a bad string of losses. A computer wouldn't 2nd guess itself... it simply runs the program.
     
    Sports Wagering is totally different offshore than ever now... especially with books such as Matchbook.com etc. Let me give you an example...
     
    Let's say Sunday Night Baseball Features The struggling Detroit Tigers +170 at St. Louis Cards... -200. So you load up on Detroit and wager $2,000.00 to win $3,400.00... Let's say Detroit has an amazing Top of the 1st and scores 5 Runs... it's 5-0 Detroit already. St. Louis hasn't even swung the bats yet... and Matchbook says... ok it's now Detroit -200 and St. Louis +170... so now you load up on St. Louis at +170 $2,000.00 to win $3,400.00... now either way... whoever wins.. you're going to win $1,400.00 Cash. This is what Vanzack is saying. Yes, there aren't too many people who have a bankroll of $4,000.00 laying around... but this is how you make money offshore. Everyone want's to be the Big Dog at covers.com and make a thread and say hey... I'm taking Detroit +170... and I'm letting $2,000.00 ride on it... (I've done it myself) but then in the same thread... you say guys I hedged it the other way because Detroit scored 5 runs in the first... and I want to get some return on my money. People in the same post would say... WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT??? That's crazy!!! This is where emotions come into play. If you act like a machine this wouldn't bother you... you're playing to win. This is what Vanzack means with the 5% Type B. Club so to speak. People have way to much pride in letting Detroit ride out with that 5 run cushion... then all of a sudden St. Louis wins in the Bottom of the 9th and you thought you won $3,400.00 but you actually lost $2,000.00
     
    This is how you win at Sports Wagering Offshore Style...

    Actually you only lost $600.00

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMoneyShot:

    Didn't see this thread until today...
     
    Let's get the story straight... Gambling is pure logic. You aren't going to win when emotions come into play. Just like vanzack said... you have to be a machine... a computer. A computer doesn't have feelings... it has a program... it runs the program. Where as humans have emotions... gambling becomes addicting and people seem to 2nd guess themseleves on a bad string of losses. A computer wouldn't 2nd guess itself... it simply runs the program.
     
    Sports Wagering is totally different offshore than ever now... especially with books such as Matchbook.com etc. Let me give you an example...
     
    Let's say Sunday Night Baseball Features The struggling Detroit Tigers +170 at St. Louis Cards... -200. So you load up on Detroit and wager $2,000.00 to win $3,400.00... Let's say Detroit has an amazing Top of the 1st and scores 5 Runs... it's 5-0 Detroit already. St. Louis hasn't even swung the bats yet... and Matchbook says... ok it's now Detroit -200 and St. Louis +170... so now you load up on St. Louis at +170 $2,000.00 to win $3,400.00... now either way... whoever wins.. you're going to win $1,400.00 Cash. This is what Vanzack is saying. Yes, there aren't too many people who have a bankroll of $4,000.00 laying around... but this is how you make money offshore. Everyone want's to be the Big Dog at covers.com and make a thread and say hey... I'm taking Detroit +170... and I'm letting $2,000.00 ride on it... (I've done it myself) but then in the same thread... you say guys I hedged it the other way because Detroit scored 5 runs in the first... and I want to get some return on my money. People in the same post would say... WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT??? That's crazy!!! This is where emotions come into play. If you act like a machine this wouldn't bother you... you're playing to win. This is what Vanzack means with the 5% Type B. Club so to speak. People have way to much pride in letting Detroit ride out with that 5 run cushion... then all of a sudden St. Louis wins in the Bottom of the 9th and you thought you won $3,400.00 but you actually lost $2,000.00
     
    This is how you win at Sports Wagering Offshore Style...

    Actually you only lost $600.00

     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2008 - 10:40 AM ET #212

    So you load up on Detroit and wager $2,000.00 to win $3,400.00
     
    Steve: No, that's a $2000 loss.
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    Steve: No, that's a $2000 loss.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2008 - 12:52 PM ET #213

     I sense tention in this room.  I can't understand this.  I believe at one point or another we all have been on one side or the other.  It's not anybody's place to criticize which side of betting that you may or may not be on.   For any situation, the arguement will always be for or against, day or night, white or black, wacca  wacca wacca!!!!!  I personally like covers for stats and reading threads.  If I think I have a solid pick, I may or may not post it.  Bottom line in "My Opinion", is we all can and should do a little soul searching from time to time.  BOL to all and
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     I sense tention in this room.  I can't understand this.  I believe at one point or another we all have been on one side or the other.  It's not anybody's place to criticize which side of betting that you may or may not be on.   For any situation, the arguement will always be for or against, day or night, white or black, wacca  wacca wacca!!!!!  I personally like covers for stats and reading threads.  If I think I have a solid pick, I may or may not post it.  Bottom line in "My Opinion", is we all can and should do a little soul searching from time to time.  BOL to all and
     
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    Posted: Sep. 8, 2008 - 12:41 AM ET #214

    haha

    great point van.



    haters will hate..thats the bottom line
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    haha

    great point van.



    haters will hate..thats the bottom line
     
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    Posted: Sep. 8, 2008 - 1:53 PM ET #215

    Quote Originally Posted by drudatt108:

     I sense tention in this room.  I can't understand this.  I believe at one point or another we all have been on one side or the other.  It's not anybody's place to criticize which side of betting that you may or may not be on.   For any situation, the arguement will always be for or against, day or night, white or black, wacca  wacca wacca!!!!!  I personally like covers for stats and reading threads.  If I think I have a solid pick, I may or may not post it.  Bottom line in "My Opinion", is we all can and should do a little soul searching from time to time.  BOL to all and

    what the fuck is a soul? and where can i search for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drudatt108:

     I sense tention in this room.  I can't understand this.  I believe at one point or another we all have been on one side or the other.  It's not anybody's place to criticize which side of betting that you may or may not be on.   For any situation, the arguement will always be for or against, day or night, white or black, wacca  wacca wacca!!!!!  I personally like covers for stats and reading threads.  If I think I have a solid pick, I may or may not post it.  Bottom line in "My Opinion", is we all can and should do a little soul searching from time to time.  BOL to all and

    what the fuck is a soul? and where can i search for it?

     
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    Posted: Sep. 9, 2008 - 1:06 PM ET #217

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Sorry, didnt see this thread until this morning.  We were sailing the passage between St Lucia and St Vincent and I always seem to lose the satellite hookup.  My captain told me about this thread this morning, and you can imagine my excitement.  I adore threads devoted to my favorite subject - me.
     
    Over the years with my own experience, I have identified 2 types of gamblers.  Let me describe:
     
    1.  Type A gamblers (95%) - gamble for fun, entertainment, action junkies, chase, bet teasers and negative EV parlays, use CC to fund their accounts, think of gambling money as rent money or spending money, bet haphazardly, dont understand or care to understand theory, never introspect about how to get better, are jealous, dont understand those who win, believe myths about gambling, believe in luck, believe in non correlated trends, dont care to know math or probability, talk about fixes, talk about their own bad luck, criticize anyone who wins, theorize about how people win incorrectly, put emphasis on all the wrong things, spend all their time searching for the winner of the day, are emotional and let their emotions rule them and their decisions, and lose money.  These are the equivalent of cavemen looking up at the stars, hypothesizing about how a world they dont understand works.
     
    2.  Type B gamblers (5%) - Everything is done to make money, treat gambling as a business, understand winners are not the most important thing in making money, use advanced techniques to make the most money, constantly evaluate process rather than handicapping, use methods other than handicapping to make money, dont chase, dont bet for action, pick their spots, are emotionless, are like machines, understand math and probability, and make money.
     
    Now - its no surprise that 95% of the posters in this thread, and 95% of the posters on covers are type A gamblers, and its no surprise either the jealously of me in this thread.  You guys just dont get it, probably never will because you dont have the patience or the fortitude, and you will always be on the sidelines losing money wondering with your buddies (the majority) "how can anyone make money doing this"?
     
    All I can tell you is that I have made money the last 7 years doing this.  I can also tell you that there are plenty of others here who are professionals and make money too - I know this for a fact.  The bottom line is that I can make more money going 53% than you morons can going 60% - you can laugh all you want but it is your own defense system doing the laughing - because you know its true.  I cant post on covers all the times I make money without even making a bet, or how I can make money live betting, or how I sell games off at HT, or all of the other strategies I employ - you guys dont understand all of this - all you understand is the "winner of the day mentality".
     
    Ever wonder why the most popular threads (besides the ones about me) are the ones with the hot handicapper of the day?  Pucku or matrixxx or whatever - ever look in those threads and see who is posting there?  Guys with less than 3 months on covers.... and ever say to yourself "I wonder why that is?"  Why isnt the guys posting in Puckus threads today going to be in the guy who is hot handicappers threads 4 months from now?  Because he is already broke.  Because he has no idea, even with Puckus picks how to make money and he is BROKE.  Dont you morons get this?  Look at the date next to my name.  You think Im losing year after year after year?  You think I post the insight I do, without having some clue as to what Im doing?  You know better.
     
    Now, I will answer questions if you like.  St Vincent is a nice place but the supermodels are getting antsy to head down to Curacao to party with the boys from Pinny, so Im going to set sail this evening, but I will check back to this thread.  I always like helping the boys at covers.  I barely even post in the regular forums anymore because the PBOX Nation are the only ones who can talk about hgih level theory anymore - if you post out in the baseball forum you get drowned off the first page in an hour because of all of your "pick of the day" threads - and all of you idiots keep losing money and dont know why - cavemen looking up at the stars.
     
    And for those who say "nobody who bets XXX would post on covers" or "nobody who does this for a living would post on covers" - let me explain something to you:  Its relatively a boring solitary existence gambling for a living.  You morons have the distraction of going to your mundane 9-5 existence every day which provides the necessary social outlets for you to get through the day.  Why wouldnt a gambler seek out people of like mind to "hang out with" even if it is on a message board?  You guys dont get it, people like me are MORE likely to post here than you idiots who might get the boss mad if he sees you on here.  Cavemen.
     
    If I had a nickel for every time I met a group of guys as dumb as the guys on covers, Id have 5 cents right now.
     


    LMAO!. I seriously just about fell out of my office chair reading the load of bullshit in this post. It's amazing how many people believe the shit this moron says.

    Vanzack is nothing more than your average idiot that works the third shift at a local Wal-mart who then comes home to talk himself up on the computer.

    This thread is a classic. Got to admit Vanzack this was a good one buddy.....


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    Sorry, didnt see this thread until this morning.  We were sailing the passage between St Lucia and St Vincent and I always seem to lose the satellite hookup.  My captain told me about this thread this morning, and you can imagine my excitement.  I adore threads devoted to my favorite subject - me.
     
    Over the years with my own experience, I have identified 2 types of gamblers.  Let me describe:
     
    1.  Type A gamblers (95%) - gamble for fun, entertainment, action junkies, chase, bet teasers and negative EV parlays, use CC to fund their accounts, think of gambling money as rent money or spending money, bet haphazardly, dont understand or care to understand theory, never introspect about how to get better, are jealous, dont understand those who win, believe myths about gambling, believe in luck, believe in non correlated trends, dont care to know math or probability, talk about fixes, talk about their own bad luck, criticize anyone who wins, theorize about how people win incorrectly, put emphasis on all the wrong things, spend all their time searching for the winner of the day, are emotional and let their emotions rule them and their decisions, and lose money.  These are the equivalent of cavemen looking up at the stars, hypothesizing about how a world they dont understand works.
     
    2.  Type B gamblers (5%) - Everything is done to make money, treat gambling as a business, understand winners are not the most important thing in making money, use advanced techniques to make the most money, constantly evaluate process rather than handicapping, use methods other than handicapping to make money, dont chase, dont bet for action, pick their spots, are emotionless, are like machines, understand math and probability, and make money.
     
    Now - its no surprise that 95% of the posters in this thread, and 95% of the posters on covers are type A gamblers, and its no surprise either the jealously of me in this thread.  You guys just dont get it, probably never will because you dont have the patience or the fortitude, and you will always be on the sidelines losing money wondering with your buddies (the majority) "how can anyone make money doing this"?
     
    All I can tell you is that I have made money the last 7 years doing this.  I can also tell you that there are plenty of others here who are professionals and make money too - I know this for a fact.  The bottom line is that I can make more money going 53% than you morons can going 60% - you can laugh all you want but it is your own defense system doing the laughing - because you know its true.  I cant post on covers all the times I make money without even making a bet, or how I can make money live betting, or how I sell games off at HT, or all of the other strategies I employ - you guys dont understand all of this - all you understand is the "winner of the day mentality".
     
    Ever wonder why the most popular threads (besides the ones about me) are the ones with the hot handicapper of the day?  Pucku or matrixxx or whatever - ever look in those threads and see who is posting there?  Guys with less than 3 months on covers.... and ever say to yourself "I wonder why that is?"  Why isnt the guys posting in Puckus threads today going to be in the guy who is hot handicappers threads 4 months from now?  Because he is already broke.  Because he has no idea, even with Puckus picks how to make money and he is BROKE.  Dont you morons get this?  Look at the date next to my name.  You think Im losing year after year after year?  You think I post the insight I do, without having some clue as to what Im doing?  You know better.
     
    Now, I will answer questions if you like.  St Vincent is a nice place but the supermodels are getting antsy to head down to Curacao to party with the boys from Pinny, so Im going to set sail this evening, but I will check back to this thread.  I always like helping the boys at covers.  I barely even post in the regular forums anymore because the PBOX Nation are the only ones who can talk about hgih level theory anymore - if you post out in the baseball forum you get drowned off the first page in an hour because of all of your "pick of the day" threads - and all of you idiots keep losing money and dont know why - cavemen looking up at the stars.
     
    And for those who say "nobody who bets XXX would post on covers" or "nobody who does this for a living would post on covers" - let me explain something to you:  Its relatively a boring solitary existence gambling for a living.  You morons have the distraction of going to your mundane 9-5 existence every day which provides the necessary social outlets for you to get through the day.  Why wouldnt a gambler seek out people of like mind to "hang out with" even if it is on a message board?  You guys dont get it, people like me are MORE likely to post here than you idiots who might get the boss mad if he sees you on here.  Cavemen.
     
    If I had a nickel for every time I met a group of guys as dumb as the guys on covers, Id have 5 cents right now.
     


    LMAO!. I seriously just about fell out of my office chair reading the load of bullshit in this post. It's amazing how many people believe the shit this moron says.

    Vanzack is nothing more than your average idiot that works the third shift at a local Wal-mart who then comes home to talk himself up on the computer.

    This thread is a classic. Got to admit Vanzack this was a good one buddy.....


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    You morons just keep coming at me and Im mad as hell and not going to take it anymore.  Chriscapper has sent me over the edge.
     
    Guess what?  I didnt want to have to do this, but you made me, oh yes - you made me - and the girls arent here to stop me.  Im going to tell you why my name isnt really Zack - its because my name is really someone rich and famous that even all of you snot nosed MOFOs at covers would know from your basements!!
     
    So Im rich and famous - and you arent - and you are pissed that I get all of the cars, cash, and poontang you want but cant get.
     
    And oh yes - THAT IS HOW I ROLL.  See the pics?  Count the babes on my boat.  Not one, not two, 10 at a time.
     
    Can Chriscapper say he has ever had 5 blowjobs in a day and won 150K on baseball and not even cared>????  Fuck no.  He bangs a toothless overweight ho and watches a rabbit ears black and white while sipping on gin and juice.
     
    Take that Chriscapper.
     
    Now I must warn you - if you attempt to respond in an inflamatory fashion I will be forced to have my high priced lawyers subpoena you too.  Notice why the other morons like Godfather and Bacrol have stopped posting?  The long arm of the law extends right to my yacht motherfucker and Im not taking this anymore.  Respond with respect or you will find your ass in the same stinky cell rotting away on Barbados as these other two assclowns.
     
    Tread lightly....
     


    So I'm rich and famous???? HAHAHAHA!!!

    Oh please more stories Vanzack...this shit is good. I enjoy reading this stuff at work. Dude you are a nobody.

    Lawyers? Bring them on and I will gladly meet them. LOL. Oh no I am so scared now. Name a time and place and I will meet with them...LOL.


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    You morons just keep coming at me and Im mad as hell and not going to take it anymore.  Chriscapper has sent me over the edge.
     
    Guess what?  I didnt want to have to do this, but you made me, oh yes - you made me - and the girls arent here to stop me.  Im going to tell you why my name isnt really Zack - its because my name is really someone rich and famous that even all of you snot nosed MOFOs at covers would know from your basements!!
     
    So Im rich and famous - and you arent - and you are pissed that I get all of the cars, cash, and poontang you want but cant get.
     
    And oh yes - THAT IS HOW I ROLL.  See the pics?  Count the babes on my boat.  Not one, not two, 10 at a time.
     
    Can Chriscapper say he has ever had 5 blowjobs in a day and won 150K on baseball and not even cared>????  Fuck no.  He bangs a toothless overweight ho and watches a rabbit ears black and white while sipping on gin and juice.
     
    Take that Chriscapper.
     
    Now I must warn you - if you attempt to respond in an inflamatory fashion I will be forced to have my high priced lawyers subpoena you too.  Notice why the other morons like Godfather and Bacrol have stopped posting?  The long arm of the law extends right to my yacht motherfucker and Im not taking this anymore.  Respond with respect or you will find your ass in the same stinky cell rotting away on Barbados as these other two assclowns.
     
    Tread lightly....
     


    So I'm rich and famous???? HAHAHAHA!!!

    Oh please more stories Vanzack...this shit is good. I enjoy reading this stuff at work. Dude you are a nobody.

    Lawyers? Bring them on and I will gladly meet them. LOL. Oh no I am so scared now. Name a time and place and I will meet with them...LOL.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck:



    So I'm rich and famous???? HAHAHAHA!!!

    Oh please more stories Vanzack...this shit is good. I enjoy reading this stuff at work. Dude you are a nobody.

    Lawyers? Bring them on and I will gladly meet them. LOL. Oh no I am so scared now. Name a time and place and I will meet with them...LOL.


    you are dumb....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck:



    So I'm rich and famous???? HAHAHAHA!!!

    Oh please more stories Vanzack...this shit is good. I enjoy reading this stuff at work. Dude you are a nobody.

    Lawyers? Bring them on and I will gladly meet them. LOL. Oh no I am so scared now. Name a time and place and I will meet with them...LOL.


    you are dumb....

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinitiyy:

    what the fuck is a soul? and where can i search for it?

    A sou is a tasty treat and if you go to Wal-Mart take .25 you can get one or maybe even some out of the little machines up front

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinitiyy:

    what the fuck is a soul? and where can i search for it?

    A sou is a tasty treat and if you go to Wal-Mart take .25 you can get one or maybe even some out of the little machines up front

     
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    People at covers are so dumb.
     
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    People at covers are so dumb.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retburj13:

    I just think he bangs Supermodels for a living...the gambling gig is a hobby

    RetBurj, It's good to see you   I'm sure Vanzack is the supermodel and he gets banged for a hobby.

     

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    I just think he bangs Supermodels for a living...the gambling gig is a hobby

    RetBurj, It's good to see you   I'm sure Vanzack is the supermodel and he gets banged for a hobby.

     

     
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    Just opened this thread for the first time.
    You guys crack me up.  This is a classic thread.
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    Just opened this thread for the first time.
    You guys crack me up.  This is a classic thread.
     
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    Van--which guy are u in the boat cause the fat one facing us ain't dropping 5 shots a day into anyone's mouth unless it is vomit.
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    Van--which guy are u in the boat cause the fat one facing us ain't dropping 5 shots a day into anyone's mouth unless it is vomit.
     
     
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    This thread should go to the archives.
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