According to the Boston Globe and Boston Herald, four employees of the Massachusetts state government were arrested by the FBI yesterday for their role in a conspiracy to sell drivers licenses to illegal immigrants so that the individuals here illegally could register to vote. The Massachusetts government.
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According to the Boston Globe and Boston Herald, four employees of the Massachusetts state government were arrested by the FBI yesterday for their role in a conspiracy to sell drivers licenses to illegal immigrants so that the individuals here illegally could register to vote. The Massachusetts government.
There has akways been voter fraud to some extent.. The thing is it occurs on both sides of the aisle pretty equally. Someone reads your point and automatically thinks, "See, those democrats..." ignoring two facts. 1. Hispanics historically vote Republican in many elections. (They're often extremely conservative and devoutly Catholic) 2. Illegals buying fraudulent identification are usually concerned with getting jobs and cashing checks, not voting. Illegals are often wary of the establishnent i.e. the electoral process, police, ect. I'm not advocating for illegal immigrants. I'm staunch supporter of strong borders. I'm just stating facts.
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There has akways been voter fraud to some extent.. The thing is it occurs on both sides of the aisle pretty equally. Someone reads your point and automatically thinks, "See, those democrats..." ignoring two facts. 1. Hispanics historically vote Republican in many elections. (They're often extremely conservative and devoutly Catholic) 2. Illegals buying fraudulent identification are usually concerned with getting jobs and cashing checks, not voting. Illegals are often wary of the establishnent i.e. the electoral process, police, ect. I'm not advocating for illegal immigrants. I'm staunch supporter of strong borders. I'm just stating facts.
Still, voting fraud is very rare and hasn't determined the outcome of any US elections for decades. Previously, Bush administration reached the same conclusions after extensive investigations.
Also confirmed by Brennan center for justice and National association of secretaries of state which comprise of election officials from all States.
However low voters turnout is a bigger problem. Also suppression of eligible voters via ID laws according to the courts and US department of justice.
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Still, voting fraud is very rare and hasn't determined the outcome of any US elections for decades. Previously, Bush administration reached the same conclusions after extensive investigations.
Also confirmed by Brennan center for justice and National association of secretaries of state which comprise of election officials from all States.
However low voters turnout is a bigger problem. Also suppression of eligible voters via ID laws according to the courts and US department of justice.
There has akways been voter fraud to some extent.. The thing is it occurs on both sides of the aisle pretty equally. Someone reads your point and automatically thinks, "See, those democrats..." ignoring two facts. 1. Hispanics historically vote Republican in many elections. (They're often extremely conservative and devoutly Catholic) 2. Illegals buying fraudulent identification are usually concerned with getting jobs and cashing checks, not voting. Illegals are often wary of the establishnent i.e. the electoral process, police, ect. I'm not advocating for illegal immigrants. I'm staunch supporter of strong borders. I'm just stating facts.
So what is your point ? Mine was just stating facts. Are you suggesting that Republicans and Democrats enlist voter fraud criminals on an equal basis ? That may be true, but it wasn't my point. Nor do you offer anything to support whatever your point is. Do you want government led voter fraud to exist by either party ?
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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
There has akways been voter fraud to some extent.. The thing is it occurs on both sides of the aisle pretty equally. Someone reads your point and automatically thinks, "See, those democrats..." ignoring two facts. 1. Hispanics historically vote Republican in many elections. (They're often extremely conservative and devoutly Catholic) 2. Illegals buying fraudulent identification are usually concerned with getting jobs and cashing checks, not voting. Illegals are often wary of the establishnent i.e. the electoral process, police, ect. I'm not advocating for illegal immigrants. I'm staunch supporter of strong borders. I'm just stating facts.
So what is your point ? Mine was just stating facts. Are you suggesting that Republicans and Democrats enlist voter fraud criminals on an equal basis ? That may be true, but it wasn't my point. Nor do you offer anything to support whatever your point is. Do you want government led voter fraud to exist by either party ?
So what is your point ? Mine was just stating facts. Are you suggesting that Republicans and Democrats enlist voter fraud criminals on an equal basis ? That may be true, but it wasn't my point. Nor do you offer anything to support whatever your point is. Do you want government led voter fraud to exist by either party ?
It exist in both and I don't want it in either. You want facts? How about the fact thst voter fraud exist in such low numbers that's it's virtually nonexistent. How about you creating a thread about "systemic voter fraud" and then pointing to source stories that aren't even about voter fraud. How about of 29 identified only 10 had registered to vote and not one of them had cast a single ballot. So....yeah. Facts.
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Quote Originally Posted by 1129ken:
So what is your point ? Mine was just stating facts. Are you suggesting that Republicans and Democrats enlist voter fraud criminals on an equal basis ? That may be true, but it wasn't my point. Nor do you offer anything to support whatever your point is. Do you want government led voter fraud to exist by either party ?
It exist in both and I don't want it in either. You want facts? How about the fact thst voter fraud exist in such low numbers that's it's virtually nonexistent. How about you creating a thread about "systemic voter fraud" and then pointing to source stories that aren't even about voter fraud. How about of 29 identified only 10 had registered to vote and not one of them had cast a single ballot. So....yeah. Facts.
It exist in both and I don't want it in either. You want facts? How about the fact thst voter fraud exist in such low numbers that's it's virtually nonexistent. How about you creating a thread about "systemic voter fraud" and then pointing to source stories that aren't even about voter fraud. How about of 29 identified only 10 had registered to vote and not one of them had cast a single ballot. So....yeah. Facts.
I have no idea what your point is. You've gotten a lot of mileage out of marrying the members who don't like Scalabrine, but that is no excuse for thinking your incomprehensible posts will indefinitely allow you to post nonsense without being called on it.
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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
It exist in both and I don't want it in either. You want facts? How about the fact thst voter fraud exist in such low numbers that's it's virtually nonexistent. How about you creating a thread about "systemic voter fraud" and then pointing to source stories that aren't even about voter fraud. How about of 29 identified only 10 had registered to vote and not one of them had cast a single ballot. So....yeah. Facts.
I have no idea what your point is. You've gotten a lot of mileage out of marrying the members who don't like Scalabrine, but that is no excuse for thinking your incomprehensible posts will indefinitely allow you to post nonsense without being called on it.
I have no idea what your point is. You've gotten a lot of mileage out of marrying the members who don't like Scalabrine, but that is no excuse for thinking your incomprehensible posts will indefinitely allow you to post nonsense without being called on it.
What's nonsense about anything I posted? Why are you so angry? Is it because you are, in fact, the one that's posting nonsense and I called on it.
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Quote Originally Posted by 1129ken:
I have no idea what your point is. You've gotten a lot of mileage out of marrying the members who don't like Scalabrine, but that is no excuse for thinking your incomprehensible posts will indefinitely allow you to post nonsense without being called on it.
What's nonsense about anything I posted? Why are you so angry? Is it because you are, in fact, the one that's posting nonsense and I called on it.
I don't have to tell myself that. It was a question, you could just answer it. Bottom line, a lot can be said about my writing but "incomprehensible" isn't one of them. So that isn't why i've drawn your ire. I won't even do your coy "Sure, that's it. Tell yourself that." back to you because bottom line, it isn't that.
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Quote Originally Posted by 1129ken:
Sure, that's it. Tell yourself that.
I don't have to tell myself that. It was a question, you could just answer it. Bottom line, a lot can be said about my writing but "incomprehensible" isn't one of them. So that isn't why i've drawn your ire. I won't even do your coy "Sure, that's it. Tell yourself that." back to you because bottom line, it isn't that.
I don't have to tell myself that. It was a question, you could just answer it. Bottom line, a lot can be said about my writing but "incomprehensible" isn't one of them. So that isn't why i've drawn your ire. I won't even do your coy "Sure, that's it. Tell yourself that." back to you because bottom line, it isn't that.
Accusing me of being "angry" accomplishes nothing. What is your question that I can "just answer. " ?
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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
I don't have to tell myself that. It was a question, you could just answer it. Bottom line, a lot can be said about my writing but "incomprehensible" isn't one of them. So that isn't why i've drawn your ire. I won't even do your coy "Sure, that's it. Tell yourself that." back to you because bottom line, it isn't that.
Accusing me of being "angry" accomplishes nothing. What is your question that I can "just answer. " ?
News flash. Voting fraud has been around since George Washington, right along with heavy corruption. America just hides it a little better than the ROW.
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News flash. Voting fraud has been around since George Washington, right along with heavy corruption. America just hides it a little better than the ROW.
[Quote: Originally Posted by searchwarrant] News flash. Voting fraud has been around since George Washington, right along with heavy corruption. America just hides it a little better than the ROW. [/Q
uote]
Read the initial post. No need for a "news flash." The point is that it is getting more difficult to deny the obvious.
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[Quote: Originally Posted by searchwarrant] News flash. Voting fraud has been around since George Washington, right along with heavy corruption. America just hides it a little better than the ROW. [/Q
uote]
Read the initial post. No need for a "news flash." The point is that it is getting more difficult to deny the obvious.
One illegal vote opposite of your vote ..cancels out your vote ..
Slim-- Unlike you, I did not have the honor of serving our country in the military. If I had, it would anger me even more to discover that government paid employees, ON THE CLOCK, were recruiting illegals and providing them government issued ID'S so they could have the same vote as you or me. That may not bother others, but it sure bothers me.
Thank you once again for your service in the United States Navy.
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
One illegal vote opposite of your vote ..cancels out your vote ..
Slim-- Unlike you, I did not have the honor of serving our country in the military. If I had, it would anger me even more to discover that government paid employees, ON THE CLOCK, were recruiting illegals and providing them government issued ID'S so they could have the same vote as you or me. That may not bother others, but it sure bothers me.
Thank you once again for your service in the United States Navy.
You create a thread stating that "It is becoming more and more difficult to deny the existence of systemic voter fraud." You then proceed to say that "four employees of the Massachusetts state government were arrested for their role in a conspiracy to sell driver's licenses to illegal immigrants so that the individuals could illegally register to vote." Given how you all like to have your "leftie" "rightie" circle jerks, I assume it's an allusion to the unsubstantiated declaration by the Republican party that, "wide spread voter fraud is occuring via illegal immigrants obtaining fraudulent identifications to cast ballots". I call you out on the thread being b.s. and call you out on tweeking a story to fit an agenda and you give me the whole, "whoa, i'm just stating facts" act. So again, let's state some facts. First of all, your source articles weren't even about voter fraud and voter fraud isn't mentioned at any point. The four employees in question were Registry of Motor Vehicles workers. State workers? Sure but not exactly "Government led voter fraud" as you put it. Of the 29 illegals identified, only 10 had even attempted to register to vote. Of that 10, not a single one had cast a ballot in an election of any kind. This all took place prior to the presidential election, so if their goal was to vote, they could have tried. Those are facts. Now to opinions. It is my opinion that you created a b.s. thread attempting to strike a blow in you all's little "leftie" "rightie" sorority rivalry and you're upset that I blew it up.
Here's my question:
Am I wrong?
Here's another question:
How does one isolated story about four Registry of Motor Vehicle employees selling fake identifications to illegals (29 in all) point to "Systemic and Government led Voter fraud"?
I'm sure those 29 illegals shelled out two grand each because they were just dying to be a part of the democratic process. Ten of them were atleast. Kinda.
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Let me take a stab at this....
You create a thread stating that "It is becoming more and more difficult to deny the existence of systemic voter fraud." You then proceed to say that "four employees of the Massachusetts state government were arrested for their role in a conspiracy to sell driver's licenses to illegal immigrants so that the individuals could illegally register to vote." Given how you all like to have your "leftie" "rightie" circle jerks, I assume it's an allusion to the unsubstantiated declaration by the Republican party that, "wide spread voter fraud is occuring via illegal immigrants obtaining fraudulent identifications to cast ballots". I call you out on the thread being b.s. and call you out on tweeking a story to fit an agenda and you give me the whole, "whoa, i'm just stating facts" act. So again, let's state some facts. First of all, your source articles weren't even about voter fraud and voter fraud isn't mentioned at any point. The four employees in question were Registry of Motor Vehicles workers. State workers? Sure but not exactly "Government led voter fraud" as you put it. Of the 29 illegals identified, only 10 had even attempted to register to vote. Of that 10, not a single one had cast a ballot in an election of any kind. This all took place prior to the presidential election, so if their goal was to vote, they could have tried. Those are facts. Now to opinions. It is my opinion that you created a b.s. thread attempting to strike a blow in you all's little "leftie" "rightie" sorority rivalry and you're upset that I blew it up.
Here's my question:
Am I wrong?
Here's another question:
How does one isolated story about four Registry of Motor Vehicle employees selling fake identifications to illegals (29 in all) point to "Systemic and Government led Voter fraud"?
I'm sure those 29 illegals shelled out two grand each because they were just dying to be a part of the democratic process. Ten of them were atleast. Kinda.
You create a thread stating that "It is becoming more and more difficult to deny the existence of systemic voter fraud." You then proceed to say that "four employees of the Massachusetts state government were arrested for their role in a conspiracy to sell driver's licenses to illegal immigrants so that the individuals could illegally register to vote." Given how you all like to have your "leftie" "rightie" circle jerks, I assume it's an allusion to the unsubstantiated declaration by the Republican party that, "wide spread voter fraud is occuring via illegal immigrants obtaining fraudulent identifications to cast ballots". I call you out on the thread being b.s. and call you out on tweeking a story to fit an agenda and you give me the whole, "whoa, i'm just stating facts" act. So again, let's state some facts. First of all, your source articles weren't even about voter fraud and voter fraud isn't mentioned at any point. The four employees in question were Registry of Motor Vehicles workers. State workers? Sure but not exactly "Government led voter fraud" as you put it. Of the 29 illegals identified, only 10 had even attempted to register to vote. Of that 10, not a single one had cast a ballot in an election of any kind. This all took place prior to the presidential election, so if their goal was to vote, they could have tried. Those are facts. Now to opinions. It is my opinion that you created a b.s. thread attempting to strike a blow in you all's little "leftie" "rightie" sorority rivalry and you're upset that I blew it up.
Here's my question:
Am I wrong?
Here's another question:
How does one isolated story about four Registry of Motor Vehicle employees selling fake identifications to illegals (29 in all) point to "Systemic and Government led Voter fraud"?
I'm sure those 29 illegals shelled out two grand each because they were just dying to be a part of the democratic process. Ten of them were atleast. Kinda.
You "assume" ? You assume I identify this problem as Democrat versus Republican, which is beyond any "facts" I stated. Really ? I'm not responding anymore to your own self created reality. You're just a self important internet tough guy who wants to address his own narrative, in his own self created world, no matter what others post. For the record, I said nothing of the sort that you are trying to reply to. See you later, Scalabrine hater.
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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
Let me take a stab at this....
You create a thread stating that "It is becoming more and more difficult to deny the existence of systemic voter fraud." You then proceed to say that "four employees of the Massachusetts state government were arrested for their role in a conspiracy to sell driver's licenses to illegal immigrants so that the individuals could illegally register to vote." Given how you all like to have your "leftie" "rightie" circle jerks, I assume it's an allusion to the unsubstantiated declaration by the Republican party that, "wide spread voter fraud is occuring via illegal immigrants obtaining fraudulent identifications to cast ballots". I call you out on the thread being b.s. and call you out on tweeking a story to fit an agenda and you give me the whole, "whoa, i'm just stating facts" act. So again, let's state some facts. First of all, your source articles weren't even about voter fraud and voter fraud isn't mentioned at any point. The four employees in question were Registry of Motor Vehicles workers. State workers? Sure but not exactly "Government led voter fraud" as you put it. Of the 29 illegals identified, only 10 had even attempted to register to vote. Of that 10, not a single one had cast a ballot in an election of any kind. This all took place prior to the presidential election, so if their goal was to vote, they could have tried. Those are facts. Now to opinions. It is my opinion that you created a b.s. thread attempting to strike a blow in you all's little "leftie" "rightie" sorority rivalry and you're upset that I blew it up.
Here's my question:
Am I wrong?
Here's another question:
How does one isolated story about four Registry of Motor Vehicle employees selling fake identifications to illegals (29 in all) point to "Systemic and Government led Voter fraud"?
I'm sure those 29 illegals shelled out two grand each because they were just dying to be a part of the democratic process. Ten of them were atleast. Kinda.
You "assume" ? You assume I identify this problem as Democrat versus Republican, which is beyond any "facts" I stated. Really ? I'm not responding anymore to your own self created reality. You're just a self important internet tough guy who wants to address his own narrative, in his own self created world, no matter what others post. For the record, I said nothing of the sort that you are trying to reply to. See you later, Scalabrine hater.
Slim-- Unlike you, I did not have the honor of serving our country in the military. If I had, it would anger me even more to discover that government paid employees, ON THE CLOCK, were recruiting illegals and providing them government issued ID'S so they could have the same vote as you or me. That may not bother others, but it sure bothers me.
Thank you once again for your service in the United States Navy.
Again, you extrapolate things from a story that just aren't there. Where does it say they "recruited" anybody? What this story is really about, in my opinion, is RMV workers selling fake ID's to illegals so that they can do things like, dtive cars. Get jobs. Cash checks. This stuff has bern going on for ever and it's never been about voting. Don't get me wrong, it doesn't make it any less upsetting. My issue with this had nothing to to do with voting and everything to do with illegals being here in general. That's why even though it'll probably never happen, I support the wall. I even would support a federal tax to pay for it, as Mexico never really was.
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Quote Originally Posted by 1129ken:
Slim-- Unlike you, I did not have the honor of serving our country in the military. If I had, it would anger me even more to discover that government paid employees, ON THE CLOCK, were recruiting illegals and providing them government issued ID'S so they could have the same vote as you or me. That may not bother others, but it sure bothers me.
Thank you once again for your service in the United States Navy.
Again, you extrapolate things from a story that just aren't there. Where does it say they "recruited" anybody? What this story is really about, in my opinion, is RMV workers selling fake ID's to illegals so that they can do things like, dtive cars. Get jobs. Cash checks. This stuff has bern going on for ever and it's never been about voting. Don't get me wrong, it doesn't make it any less upsetting. My issue with this had nothing to to do with voting and everything to do with illegals being here in general. That's why even though it'll probably never happen, I support the wall. I even would support a federal tax to pay for it, as Mexico never really was.
You "assume" ? You assume I identify this problem as Democrat versus Republican, which is beyond any "facts" I stated. Really ? I'm not responding anymore to your own self created reality. You're just a self important internet tough guy who wants to address his own narrative, in his own self created world, no matter what others post. For the record, I said nothing of the sort that you are trying to reply to. See you later, Scalabrine hater. [/Quote]
You're coming to conclusions that based on your own source material just aren't true and i'm creating my own narrative? I lay out a bunch of facts and you key in on the one admitted assumption I made about you but you won't address the meat of what I had to say. The fact based, sirloin meat. You call me an "internet tough guy" even though i've been nothing but polite. And then you take your ball and walk off crying. Not before kissing up to slim. Boy, you really told me.
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[Quote: Originally Posted by 1129ken]
You "assume" ? You assume I identify this problem as Democrat versus Republican, which is beyond any "facts" I stated. Really ? I'm not responding anymore to your own self created reality. You're just a self important internet tough guy who wants to address his own narrative, in his own self created world, no matter what others post. For the record, I said nothing of the sort that you are trying to reply to. See you later, Scalabrine hater. [/Quote]
You're coming to conclusions that based on your own source material just aren't true and i'm creating my own narrative? I lay out a bunch of facts and you key in on the one admitted assumption I made about you but you won't address the meat of what I had to say. The fact based, sirloin meat. You call me an "internet tough guy" even though i've been nothing but polite. And then you take your ball and walk off crying. Not before kissing up to slim. Boy, you really told me.
You "assume" ? You assume I identify this problem as Democrat versus Republican, which is beyond any "facts" I stated. Really ? I'm not responding anymore to your own self created reality. You're just a self important internet tough guy who wants to address his own narrative, in his own self created world, no matter what others post. For the record, I said nothing of the sort that you are trying to reply to. See you later, Scalabrine hater. [/Quote]
You're coming to conclusions that based on your own source material just aren't true and i'm creating my own narrative? I lay out a bunch of facts and you key in on the one admitted assumption I made about you but you won't address the meat of what I had to say. The fact based, sirloin meat. You call me an "internet tough guy" even though i've been nothing but polite. And then you take your ball and walk off crying. Not before kissing up to slim. Boy, you really told me.
I respect and admire Slim.
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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
Quote Originally Posted by 1129ken:
You "assume" ? You assume I identify this problem as Democrat versus Republican, which is beyond any "facts" I stated. Really ? I'm not responding anymore to your own self created reality. You're just a self important internet tough guy who wants to address his own narrative, in his own self created world, no matter what others post. For the record, I said nothing of the sort that you are trying to reply to. See you later, Scalabrine hater. [/Quote]
You're coming to conclusions that based on your own source material just aren't true and i'm creating my own narrative? I lay out a bunch of facts and you key in on the one admitted assumption I made about you but you won't address the meat of what I had to say. The fact based, sirloin meat. You call me an "internet tough guy" even though i've been nothing but polite. And then you take your ball and walk off crying. Not before kissing up to slim. Boy, you really told me.
There's nothing wrong with that. I respect and admire Slim too. And I have no problem leaving it at that. This is your thread. I've said my piece in it and I won't go any further than that.
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Quote Originally Posted by 1129ken:
I respect and admire Slim.
There's nothing wrong with that. I respect and admire Slim too. And I have no problem leaving it at that. This is your thread. I've said my piece in it and I won't go any further than that.
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