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Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:

What's the over/under on wayne317 realizing he's dealing with a total f$%*tard? In number of posts. Is 17 too high?

Why call names? If the atheists arguments are so convincing, why the need to call names?

Why did Wayne call Craig "Lame"? He must strike a raw nerve with him......

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Why call names? If the atheists arguments are so convincing, why the need to call names?

Why did Wayne call Craig "Lame"? He must strike a raw nerve with him......



Yes, his dishonestly.  FYI i'm working on an extended response to the crap you posted earlier. Might be up tonight might not.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

@ Wayne continued

The bottom line is , you believe something pop into existence FROM NOTHING, (and you say i believe in a disney story). Things coming into being from nothing has never been observed and to think it can happen is ludicorous

Furthermore, when something popped into existence from nothing, the rare of explansion was so precise that out of pure luck, a universe was formed. The rate of expnason if slower or faster than smallest of fractions would have meant there was no universe.

Then out of more pure luck, a lightining rod hit a pond causing life to occur.

Then out of more out of more pure luck, this single cell organism, replicated , and then out of more luck, ended up being a human being.

And you say my story is a fairy tale.......

Oh Rostos don't hurt him. If this was a fight they would have called a TKO. You're giving him a standing 8 count. Little Wayne needs to go back to selling music. 
 
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I have a question for you atheist. First off I really didn't want to get this thread going again. It was wonderful when things were quiet but I can't resist this. 
Show me the proof and evidence that there is no God. Show us the proof. We don't have to prove anything because if you don't believe so be it. But most atheist attack theist and then turn around and besiege us with requests for "evidence and proof" so now we're asking you for evidence and proof. Can you provide it?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Wayne317:



Yes, his dishonestly.  FYI i'm working on an extended response to the crap you posted earlier. Might be up tonight might not.

Dishonest?

He has the same same argument every single debate...It hasnt changed for 10 yrs yet no one can refute it.

Imagine if CC Sabathia went up to pitch and on every single occassion he pitched a fast ball down the smack centre of the plate, EVERY SINGLE TIME, would he would have a ERA in the 3's?

If before he pitched he said that he was going to throw a fast ball down the centre of the plate every single time, dont you think his ERA would be in the high 6's?

Or maybe even though he is telegraphing what he is going to do, like Craig does every time, batters cant hit him, the fast ball is just to good...........

 
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Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

I have a question for you atheist. First off I really didn't want to get this thread going again. It was wonderful when things were quiet but I can't resist this. 
Show me the proof and evidence that there is no God. Show us the proof. We don't have to prove anything because if you don't believe so be it. But most atheist attack theist and then turn around and besiege us with requests for "evidence and proof" so now we're asking you for evidence and proof. Can you provide it?

Yeah as i said, i am only replying to Wayne......everything with KK, Micks and System has been exhausted already...

 
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Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

I have a question for you atheist. First off I really didn't want to get this thread going again. It was wonderful when things were quiet but I can't resist this. 
Show me the proof and evidence that there is no God. Show us the proof. We don't have to prove anything because if you don't believe so be it. But most atheist attack theist and then turn around and besiege us with requests for "evidence and proof" so now we're asking you for evidence and proof. Can you provide it?

I'll show you proof as soon as you as soon as you prove I don't have an invisible little man sitting on my shoulder...

wayne  just a heads up.. one of rosto's favorite sayings...something popped into existence from nothing...yawn
 
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I'll show you proof as soon as you as soon as you prove I don't have an invisible little man sitting on my shoulder...

wayne  just a heads up.. one of rosto's favorite sayings...something popped into existence from nothing...yawn

Of course its a yawn to you, cause you dont have an answer to it.......

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Of course its a yawn to you, cause you dont have an answer to it.......


neither do you 
 
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I'll show you proof as soon as you as soon as you prove I don't have an invisible little man sitting on my shoulder...

wayne  just a heads up.. one of rosto's favorite sayings...something popped into existence from nothing...yawn
If you believe you have a little man sitting on your shoulder. That's good enough for me. Tell him hi for me. 
 
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neither do you 

What the?

 
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The simple fact that you have to use "name calling" as a way to express yourself, defines you.

So people are idiots if they have experienced something for a fact that is counter to what you think?  Makes me wonder why you tolerate anyone. 

Since time began people have been trying to prove the existence of God with a scientific approach, and have failed.  These include much better minds than yours (or mine).  However, isn't it amazing that even those best minds, when having exhausted every possible way to deny the existence of God, because they could not prove otherwise, came to the conclusion that there must be.  I will not enter into an argument with you.  These forums are meant for civil discussions, where we all tolerate different points of views. But if you continue to verbally abuse me or others on Covers, I'll see to it that you are banned from Covers.    



I apologize for the lack of explanation.  I should have explained to you why you're a moron.

You lack intelligence because you think NDEs prove anything about the existence of god or an afterlife.  Something can't be explained, so it must be god, right?  (that's sarcasm)...  The brain is an incredible thing, and is still a total mystery.

I believe I have clearly demonstrated my point, hence moron. 
 
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It's not cold anymore!!!! makin the golf course look good for ya bro hahaha hows everything up north?

Pretty good man.  It warmed up here as well.  Been around the 50s lately.  After last year's winter with all the snow we got we bought a huge snowblower, and it's snowed one time, and was only about 2-3 inches lol...  This has been a warm winter for sure.  I can't say I mind too much.  I'm very much looking forward to the summer already!  <--- That's me after getting sunburn lol
 
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there are no gods, religion is a crutch for weak minded people that are afraid of death. when you die the bugs eat you, just like every other organism that is recycled. end of story. there is no proof of any other story. only fairy tales.
 
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there are no gods, religion is a crutch for weak minded people that are afraid of death. when you die the bugs eat you, just like every other organism that is recycled. end of story. there is no proof of any other story. only fairy tales.

I would state the obvious about how simplistic that example is but why even bother. Riddle me this. 0+0=0 so what happened?
 
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I find it amazing that people still believe in this crap!
 
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Have a read religious dopes.
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Got a new tattoo.
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Got a new tattoo.
I'd rather be playing D&D.
 
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Got a new tattoo.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by metalbill:

there are no gods, religion is a crutch for weak minded people that are afraid of death. when you die the bugs eat you, just like every other organism that is recycled. end of story. there is no proof of any other story. only fairy tales.

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

I have a question for you atheist. First off I really didn't want to get this thread going again. It was wonderful when things were quiet but I can't resist this. 
Show me the proof and evidence that there is no God. Show us the proof. We don't have to prove anything because if you don't believe so be it. But most atheist attack theist and then turn around and besiege us with requests for "evidence and proof" so now we're asking you for evidence and proof. Can you provide it?

As an athiest, I don't need proof either way.  I chose not to believe.  Neither side can prove ALL things, but science can prove more than the bible thumpers.  I only attack theists when they try to make sense of fairy tale stories.  Honestly, I can't figure out christians today with their faith about a book and old stories.  Can you prove Jesus walked on water?  No.  Can I prove he didn't?  No.  It's an arguement against faith.  If christians are happy with believing these rediculous stories and it makes them feel better for "sinning" then, good.  But I chose what I chose by COMMON SENSE.

 

 
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Gonna copy and paste what I wrote in my thread a while back... will try to make this my only comment in this thread 

"You have no scientific proof Jesus healed leapers or raised the dead"

Before I get specifically into my answer to this statement, I am going to establish credibility and truth to the Bible and what it says; I have already done this in previous posts, but I will also say some different things as well.

The Bible is Unique:
1. The Bible is not one book, but a compilation of 66 books that were written at different times.
2. It was written over a 1500 year period of time.
3. It was written by over 40 different authors: fishermen, generals, herdsmen, kings, doctors, tax collectors, and many others.
4. It was written on three continents.
5. It was written in three different languages.
6. The writers of the Bible wrote about hundreds of different subjects.

The New Testament Manuscripts:
The New Testament was not translated from only one manuscript. There are over 24,000 original manuscript copies of the NT. Most of them were written within 100 years of Christ's death, and they all agree with each other. There is more manuscript evidence for the NT than any other 10 pieces of ancient literature combined.

The Old Testament Manuscripts:
When the Old Testament Scrolls were getting old, illegible, and worn out the person would make new ones. The reason that we don't have more OT Manuscripts is that after the person copied them from the old copy to the new copy, the old manuscript was destroyed. To show you how meticulous they were when translating them, consider this:
1. They could only be copied onto the skins of kosher animals.
2. The copyist had to be in full Jewish dress while he was translating the manuscript.
3. If he was writing God's name and someone entered the room, the copyist couldn't even acknowledge him until he had finished writing the name of God.
4. Between each letter there had to be a space the exact width of a hair (no more, no less); if not the copyist had to throw away what he had done and start all over from the beginning.
5. Once the copying was completed, every letter was counted to be sure the copy matched the original.

The Dead-Sea Scrolls:
The Dead-Sea Scrolls are some OT Manuscripts that were written between 70-150 BC. They remained untouched until 1947, when they were discovered; they translate almost word for word as today's version of the Bible.
 
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Belief in the Bible:
Most of the writers of the Bible were eye-witnesses of what they recorded. II Peter 1:16 says "For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were EYE-WITNESSES of his majesty." Keep in mind that there were many enemies against the Christian faith, and if the writers of the NT were not accurate, the enemies of the Christians surely would have pointed it out, and we would have some record of it.

Prophecy in the Bible:
Prophecy can be defined as a foretelling of a future event. Even though all of the prophecies in the Bible have not come true yet (e.g. the ones about the end of the world), never once have any of them been wrong. It should be noted that Jewish prophets not only made predictions about the distant future, but also things which were to happen in their lifetime. If they were not 100% correct they would be put to death and their prophecies ignored (either they were from God or they were dead).

The Bible is Historically Correct:
The Bible had never contradicted any historical fact that's ever been discovered. This should add to its credibility. The Bible does not claim to be a book of science, yet not one scientific piece of data contradicts it. The Bible does not claim to be a history book, yet not one historical piece of evidence had ever contradicted it. The Bible does not claim to be a physics book, yet not one piece of physical data contradicts it. In the thousands of years of man's discoveries, not one thing has ever been found which contradicts the Bible. Sometimes the Bible even goes beyond man's knowledge: a long time ago man used to think the world was flat, but the Bible has always said it was round. Isaiah 40:22 says "He that sitteth upon the circle of the earth..."

Archaeology and the Bible:
-Archaeologists regularly use the Bible as a guide or road-map to find their dig sites.
-Matthew Maury was in the U.S. Navy between 1841 and 1861. He was reading the book of Psalms in the Bible, and noticed the words "paths in the sea." He pondered this and decided to review the journals and diaries of the captains various sea-going ships. He discovered that some journeys took weeks to complete and other journeys of the same distance only days. This eventually led to sea and wind currents being discovered. There actually are "paths" in the sea.
-Critics have often stated many times that Moses and the ancient Israelites could not have written such a structured book as Deuteronomy, but archaeologists have now discovered the Ebla Tablets. These clay tablets show structured writing (many of their laws and codes are similar to those found in the book of Deuteronomy), and they pre-date the book of Deuteronomy.
-Critics have also mocked the Christian scholars, claiming that the OT is not factual because (among other things) it speaks about the Hittite people and there is no Non-biblical evidence about them. Recently, however, discoveries have been made supporting the existence of the Hittite people. In fact, you can now go to Harvard and study the Hittite language.
-Archaeologists have discovered the home of Judas Iscariot - the person who delivered Jesus over to the Romans to be crucified.
-Archaeologists have also unearthed Sepphoris - the city where the mother of Jesus was born.
-Archaeologists have found the burial grave of Caiaphas. Caiaphas was the Jewish High Priest who interrogated Jesus shortly before his Crucifixion.

We can see then that archaeology confirms the Bible's truth (there are plenty of other examples, but I will leave it at these examples).

If a person looked at the evidence about the Bible in an un-biased manner, he or she would have to conclude that it was true.
 
 
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Now that we have established credibility for the Bible, let us take a look at the evidence that Jesus lived, among other details.

Jesus was a Liar, a Lunatic, or Lord and God:
C.S. Lewis, author, and professor at Cambridge University (and at one time an atheist) wrote, "I am trying here to prevent the one foolish thing many people often say about Jesus, 'I can accept Jesus as a good moral teacher, but not as God.'" That is one thing we cannot say. Jesus claimed to be God. If this wasn't true, saying it (along with the other statements He made) would mean He shouldn't be considered a good moral teacher. There are only 3 choices we have for Jesus: 1) He was wrong and he knew it (a liar); 2) He was wrong, but thought he was God (a lunatic); or, 3) He actually was Lord and God. So the choices include liar, lunatic, or Lord; if He was a liar or lunatic He should not be considered a good moral teacher. There is no disputing the fact that there was a man named Jesus who lived.

Jesus Lived:
F.F. Bruce, Professor at the University of Manchester writes "It is not historians who propagate a Christ-myth theory, for the historicity of Jesus Christ is as automatic for any unbiased historian as the historicity of Julius Caesar." Some of the non-Biblical sources for the historicity of Jesus Christ include Roman historian, Cornelious Tacitus (112 AD); Jewish historian, Flavius Josephus (103 AD); Roman historian, Suetonius (120 AD); jurist/theologian, Tertullian (197 AD). The list could go on and on.

The Archo Volume:
The Archo Volume is a 245 page book that contains letters between Pilate and Caesar; Valleus's notes to Pilate about the arrest trial and crucifixion of Jesus; Gamaliel's interviews with Joseph and Mary, and others about Jesus; Jonathan's interviews with some Bethlehem shepherds; and more. All of these are non-biblical documents which testify about the existence of Jesus.

Prophecy About Jesus:
Jesus fulfilled over 300 prophecies written at least 250 years before his birth. The chance of any one person fulfilling only 8 of these prophecies is 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000 (1 in 10 to the 17th power). Even a skeptic should realize that's so improbable it must be supernatural. Now that is a very small number, but let's see just how small it is so we can put this in perspective: Suppose we take 10 to the 17th silver dollars and lay them on the face of Texas; they will cover the entire state of Texas two feet thick. Now let's put an X on one of the silver dollars, mix them all up, and blindfold somebody and have them pick one of those silver dollars. The chance that he will get the one with the X is 1 in 10 to the 17th power.
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