Should i start a thread saying vanilla tastes better than chocolate?
Will that thread ever end?
There is as much purpose to that thread as you saying person sexuality is right......
Your opinion on certain things is relevant to society and certain things is not. You thinking vanilla is better than chocolate does not harm or benefit society.
You thinking homosexuals should be put to death (if you were to think that) is harmful to society.
Therefore, there is more of a reason to try and convince you that you are wrong in the latter than in the former.
Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
Should i start a thread saying vanilla tastes better than chocolate?
Will that thread ever end?
There is as much purpose to that thread as you saying person sexuality is right......
Your opinion on certain things is relevant to society and certain things is not. You thinking vanilla is better than chocolate does not harm or benefit society.
You thinking homosexuals should be put to death (if you were to think that) is harmful to society.
Therefore, there is more of a reason to try and convince you that you are wrong in the latter than in the former.
Your opinion on certain things is relevant to society and certain things is not. You thinking vanilla is better than chocolate does not harm or benefit society.
You thinking homosexuals should be put to death (if you were to think that) is harmful to society.
Therefore, there is more of a reason to try and convince you that you are wrong in the latter than in the former.
1. KK said to be selfish, only care about yourself and not others.
2. KK is now talking about the impact of people behaviour on others.
Why arent you on a war forum or a political forum arguing that the afgan war is wrong?
You are all over the shop, one confused person.
Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:
Your opinion on certain things is relevant to society and certain things is not. You thinking vanilla is better than chocolate does not harm or benefit society.
You thinking homosexuals should be put to death (if you were to think that) is harmful to society.
Therefore, there is more of a reason to try and convince you that you are wrong in the latter than in the former.
1. KK said to be selfish, only care about yourself and not others.
2. KK is now talking about the impact of people behaviour on others.
Why arent you on a war forum or a political forum arguing that the afgan war is wrong?
1. KK said to be selfish, only care about yourself and not others.
2. KK is now talking about the impact of people behaviour on others.
Why arent you on a war forum or a political forum arguing that the afgan war is wrong?
You are all over the shop, one confused person.
If you are selfish and only care about yourself, that is ok. In being "selfish" and caring about yourself, you need to care about others. Caring about yourself first doesn't mean completely disregarding others. What I was trying to say is that your motivation for doing things for others should be helping yourself.
Example: At your job, your coworker asks you to take his shift for him. You agree. You agree not because you wanna help him. You agree because you know at a future date, you may need someone to cover your shift, and you want him to return the favor, to feel obligated to help you because you helped him. You are helping your coworker out because of a selfish interest, but on the surface that act looks like a selfless act.
Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
1. KK said to be selfish, only care about yourself and not others.
2. KK is now talking about the impact of people behaviour on others.
Why arent you on a war forum or a political forum arguing that the afgan war is wrong?
You are all over the shop, one confused person.
If you are selfish and only care about yourself, that is ok. In being "selfish" and caring about yourself, you need to care about others. Caring about yourself first doesn't mean completely disregarding others. What I was trying to say is that your motivation for doing things for others should be helping yourself.
Example: At your job, your coworker asks you to take his shift for him. You agree. You agree not because you wanna help him. You agree because you know at a future date, you may need someone to cover your shift, and you want him to return the favor, to feel obligated to help you because you helped him. You are helping your coworker out because of a selfish interest, but on the surface that act looks like a selfless act.
If you are selfish and only care about yourself, that is ok. In being "selfish" and caring about yourself, you need to care about others. Caring about yourself first doesn't mean completely disregarding others. What I was trying to say is that your motivation for doing things for others should be helping yourself.
WHy should i care about others if the world is ULTIMATELY meaningless? I dont think you understand the implications if a meaningless world.
Example: At your job, your coworker asks you to take his shift for him. You agree. You agree not because you wanna help him. You agree because you know at a future date, you may need someone to cover your shift, and you want him to return the favor, to feel obligated to help you because you helped him. You are helping your coworker out because of a selfish interest, but on the surface that act looks like a selfless act.
In a meaningless world, this is meaningless...
Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:
If you are selfish and only care about yourself, that is ok. In being "selfish" and caring about yourself, you need to care about others. Caring about yourself first doesn't mean completely disregarding others. What I was trying to say is that your motivation for doing things for others should be helping yourself.
WHy should i care about others if the world is ULTIMATELY meaningless? I dont think you understand the implications if a meaningless world.
Example: At your job, your coworker asks you to take his shift for him. You agree. You agree not because you wanna help him. You agree because you know at a future date, you may need someone to cover your shift, and you want him to return the favor, to feel obligated to help you because you helped him. You are helping your coworker out because of a selfish interest, but on the surface that act looks like a selfless act.
christ aint sitting at the dinner table worried whodid what to who. dont person motherfuckers understand. what time the liq beers store open. my sweet lord!!
christ aint sitting at the dinner table worried whodid what to who. dont person motherfuckers understand. what time the liq beers store open. my sweet lord!!
In regards to this discussion on life being meaningless. I invite my atheist friends to read or study " A Course In Miracles"
I did, it is nothing more than a guide to mindfullness (mental discipline) with the results dressed up in metaphysical jargon. Mental discipline in any form will make one more effective in ones pursuits. Doesn't prove the existence of god, though. Nice try.
I'd rather be playing D&D.
Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:
In regards to this discussion on life being meaningless. I invite my atheist friends to read or study " A Course In Miracles"
I did, it is nothing more than a guide to mindfullness (mental discipline) with the results dressed up in metaphysical jargon. Mental discipline in any form will make one more effective in ones pursuits. Doesn't prove the existence of god, though. Nice try.
I was at the Broncos game yesterday and as always there were many Steeler fans there. I, unfortunately, was surrounded by them. Well, if you watched the great game you know it was a see-saw battle. Most of us were good humored with it but there was a moron behind me (sec 311) that kept shouting, " thank you Jesus" every time the Steelers made a big play. It was low and repulsive EVEN FOR A STEELER FAN. First of all, if the Red Wings or Steelers are so great, MOVE BACK TO DETROIT OR PITTSBURGH AND ROOT FOR THEM EVERY GAME! Do not annoy the wonderful people of Denver with your allegiance. I am sure you can get a nice house for under 100k in either of those two cities. MOVE! Secondly, to the two guys next to me who travelled from Pittsburgh for the game, great game, you guys ooze class. Better luck next year. I will be more than happy to buy the next round. Finally, for the guy two rows behind me with the Jesus comments, thank you Jesus, I am unsure if you shut him up or not but he sure was quiet on the way out!
I was at the Broncos game yesterday and as always there were many Steeler fans there. I, unfortunately, was surrounded by them. Well, if you watched the great game you know it was a see-saw battle. Most of us were good humored with it but there was a moron behind me (sec 311) that kept shouting, " thank you Jesus" every time the Steelers made a big play. It was low and repulsive EVEN FOR A STEELER FAN. First of all, if the Red Wings or Steelers are so great, MOVE BACK TO DETROIT OR PITTSBURGH AND ROOT FOR THEM EVERY GAME! Do not annoy the wonderful people of Denver with your allegiance. I am sure you can get a nice house for under 100k in either of those two cities. MOVE! Secondly, to the two guys next to me who travelled from Pittsburgh for the game, great game, you guys ooze class. Better luck next year. I will be more than happy to buy the next round. Finally, for the guy two rows behind me with the Jesus comments, thank you Jesus, I am unsure if you shut him up or not but he sure was quiet on the way out!
I would rather there not be a nuclear winter. I enjoy my life and a lot of the things I enjoy come from other people (sports, movies, music, etc.). If there was a nuclear winter, many if not all of the things I enjoy would not exist. This would make my one and only life less enjoyable and that would not be good for me.
So to answer your question: I would be terribly upset if there was another world war, but I probably still wouldn't kill myself.
Well it's nice to hear you enjoy your life and so it is meaningful. But you're contradicting yourself when you keep telling us life is meaningless.
Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:
I would rather there not be a nuclear winter. I enjoy my life and a lot of the things I enjoy come from other people (sports, movies, music, etc.). If there was a nuclear winter, many if not all of the things I enjoy would not exist. This would make my one and only life less enjoyable and that would not be good for me.
So to answer your question: I would be terribly upset if there was another world war, but I probably still wouldn't kill myself.
Well it's nice to hear you enjoy your life and so it is meaningful. But you're contradicting yourself when you keep telling us life is meaningless.
Well it's nice to hear you enjoy your life and so it is meaningful. But you're contradicting yourself when you keep telling us life is meaningless.
I am not. See definition of contradiction above. In order to accuse me of contradicting myself, you must point out a contradiction. I am rereading what I said and I don't see how my comments about nuclear war and life being ultimately meaningless are contradictory.
Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:
Well it's nice to hear you enjoy your life and so it is meaningful. But you're contradicting yourself when you keep telling us life is meaningless.
I am not. See definition of contradiction above. In order to accuse me of contradicting myself, you must point out a contradiction. I am rereading what I said and I don't see how my comments about nuclear war and life being ultimately meaningless are contradictory.
I am not. See definition of contradiction above. In order to accuse me of contradicting myself, you must point out a contradiction. I am rereading what I said and I don't see how my comments about nuclear war and life being ultimately meaningless are contradictory.
The contradiction comes from you now saying that you enjoy your life (sports, movies, music, etc.) So in essence you are basically saying life is meaningful (which of course it definitely is) but all the while in previous posts you kept telling us that life is meaningless and has no purpose.
All those activities we humans engross ourselves with gives meaning and purpose to our lives, they are purposely designed so we can enjoy our existence of being alive.
If you really viewed life as being meaningless then nothing would make sense (sports, movies, music, etc.) and you wouldn't enjoy those activites.
Furthermore you wouldn't care and wouldn't get upset if the world entered into an all out nuclear world war because nothing makes sense anyway, it is all meaningless and we might as well just blow ourselves up into smithereens.
Your atheist friend mik took that attitude that he wouldn't care one bit as long as people who he cared for didn't get killed. Both of you have contradicted yourselves, it's because both of you are confused and don't know exactly what you're saying.
Two lost souls in the twilight zone so to speak...lol
The only way you could get out of your contradiction is to now tell us that you have changed your view on life...you now view life as being meaningful and with purpose.
Let me remind you that there are atheists who do view life as being meaningful with purpose and very precious.
Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:
I am not. See definition of contradiction above. In order to accuse me of contradicting myself, you must point out a contradiction. I am rereading what I said and I don't see how my comments about nuclear war and life being ultimately meaningless are contradictory.
The contradiction comes from you now saying that you enjoy your life (sports, movies, music, etc.) So in essence you are basically saying life is meaningful (which of course it definitely is) but all the while in previous posts you kept telling us that life is meaningless and has no purpose.
All those activities we humans engross ourselves with gives meaning and purpose to our lives, they are purposely designed so we can enjoy our existence of being alive.
If you really viewed life as being meaningless then nothing would make sense (sports, movies, music, etc.) and you wouldn't enjoy those activites.
Furthermore you wouldn't care and wouldn't get upset if the world entered into an all out nuclear world war because nothing makes sense anyway, it is all meaningless and we might as well just blow ourselves up into smithereens.
Your atheist friend mik took that attitude that he wouldn't care one bit as long as people who he cared for didn't get killed. Both of you have contradicted yourselves, it's because both of you are confused and don't know exactly what you're saying.
Two lost souls in the twilight zone so to speak...lol
The only way you could get out of your contradiction is to now tell us that you have changed your view on life...you now view life as being meaningful and with purpose.
Let me remind you that there are atheists who do view life as being meaningful with purpose and very precious.
The contradiction comes from you now saying that you enjoy your life (sports, movies, music, etc.) So in essence you are basically saying life is meaningful (which of course it definitely is) but all the while in previous posts you kept telling us that life is meaningless and has no purpose.
All those activities we humans engross ourselves with gives meaning and purpose to our lives, they are purposely designed so we can enjoy our existence of being alive.
If you really viewed life as being meaningless then nothing would make sense (sports, movies, music, etc.) and you wouldn't enjoy those activites.
Furthermore you wouldn't care and wouldn't get upset if the world entered into an all out nuclear world war because nothing makes sense anyway, it is all meaningless and we might as well just blow ourselves up into smithereens.
Your atheist friend mik took that attitude that he wouldn't care one bit as long as people who he cared for didn't get killed. Both of you have contradicted yourselves, it's because both of you are confused and don't know exactly what you're saying.
Two lost souls in the twilight zone so to speak...lol
The only way you could get out of your contradiction is to now tell us that you have changed your view on life...you now view life as being meaningful and with purpose.
Let me remind you that there are atheists who do view life as being meaningful with purpose and very precious.
stop being an idiot and get off your pompous high horse, you know exactly what they mean...in the grand scheme of things our lives are meaningless, except of what we make of them...
Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:
The contradiction comes from you now saying that you enjoy your life (sports, movies, music, etc.) So in essence you are basically saying life is meaningful (which of course it definitely is) but all the while in previous posts you kept telling us that life is meaningless and has no purpose.
All those activities we humans engross ourselves with gives meaning and purpose to our lives, they are purposely designed so we can enjoy our existence of being alive.
If you really viewed life as being meaningless then nothing would make sense (sports, movies, music, etc.) and you wouldn't enjoy those activites.
Furthermore you wouldn't care and wouldn't get upset if the world entered into an all out nuclear world war because nothing makes sense anyway, it is all meaningless and we might as well just blow ourselves up into smithereens.
Your atheist friend mik took that attitude that he wouldn't care one bit as long as people who he cared for didn't get killed. Both of you have contradicted yourselves, it's because both of you are confused and don't know exactly what you're saying.
Two lost souls in the twilight zone so to speak...lol
The only way you could get out of your contradiction is to now tell us that you have changed your view on life...you now view life as being meaningful and with purpose.
Let me remind you that there are atheists who do view life as being meaningful with purpose and very precious.
stop being an idiot and get off your pompous high horse, you know exactly what they mean...in the grand scheme of things our lives are meaningless, except of what we make of them...
I did, it is nothing more than a guide to mindfullness (mental discipline) with the results dressed up in metaphysical jargon. Mental discipline in any form will make one more effective in ones pursuits. Doesn't prove the existence of god, though. Nice try.
As usual you missed the point but I have come to expect nothing else from you. You are definitely a lost soul...Oh that's right you don't have one and that explains everything.
Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:
I did, it is nothing more than a guide to mindfullness (mental discipline) with the results dressed up in metaphysical jargon. Mental discipline in any form will make one more effective in ones pursuits. Doesn't prove the existence of god, though. Nice try.
As usual you missed the point but I have come to expect nothing else from you. You are definitely a lost soul...Oh that's right you don't have one and that explains everything.
Let us let this thread die. I started this thread 4 months and thousands of post ago. I started it in earnest over ideas and issues I have with organized religion. The point of the thread is long gone. I am confident at this point no one will read this and change their minds on their religions/ or other religious beliefs. I am thankful for SJD and Rostos for expressing their views and sticking to this thread. If religion had an answer, we would have all agreed on it by now. In the end. no one knows what happens when we die but we will all find out, someday. Let us agree to disagree at this point and part friends with happiness in out hearts, as much as we can find it. January 1-11-12 will mark the 4 month anniversary of this thread, let it finds its way to the covers catacombs. Crash
Friends-
Let us let this thread die. I started this thread 4 months and thousands of post ago. I started it in earnest over ideas and issues I have with organized religion. The point of the thread is long gone. I am confident at this point no one will read this and change their minds on their religions/ or other religious beliefs. I am thankful for SJD and Rostos for expressing their views and sticking to this thread. If religion had an answer, we would have all agreed on it by now. In the end. no one knows what happens when we die but we will all find out, someday. Let us agree to disagree at this point and part friends with happiness in out hearts, as much as we can find it. January 1-11-12 will mark the 4 month anniversary of this thread, let it finds its way to the covers catacombs. Crash
Let us let this thread die. I started this thread 4 months and thousands of post ago. I started it in earnest over ideas and issues I have with organized religion. The point of the thread is long gone. I am confident at this point no one will read this and change their minds on their religions/ or other religious beliefs. I am thankful for SJD and Rostos for expressing their views and sticking to this thread. If religion had an answer, we would have all agreed on it by now. In the end. no one knows what happens when we die but we will all find out, someday. Let us agree to disagree at this point and part friends with happiness in out hearts, as much as we can find it. January 1-11-12 will mark the 4 month anniversary of this thread, let it finds its way to the covers catacombs. Crash
Well said Crash and I agree. Nobody will change their minds and we have had a great discussion and exchange of ideas. Peace out!
Quote Originally Posted by Crashdavis565:
Friends-
Let us let this thread die. I started this thread 4 months and thousands of post ago. I started it in earnest over ideas and issues I have with organized religion. The point of the thread is long gone. I am confident at this point no one will read this and change their minds on their religions/ or other religious beliefs. I am thankful for SJD and Rostos for expressing their views and sticking to this thread. If religion had an answer, we would have all agreed on it by now. In the end. no one knows what happens when we die but we will all find out, someday. Let us agree to disagree at this point and part friends with happiness in out hearts, as much as we can find it. January 1-11-12 will mark the 4 month anniversary of this thread, let it finds its way to the covers catacombs. Crash
Well said Crash and I agree. Nobody will change their minds and we have had a great discussion and exchange of ideas. Peace out!
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