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    If Christ died on the cross for all of humanity

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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2011 - 1:48 AM ET #3801

    And to add further note, i have absolutely NOTHING against gays.

    My 1st cousin that has my same surname is gay and a close friend of mine is gay.

    I have not ONCE told them what they are doing is wrong let alone even think about hitting them or bashing them.

    My simple motto, its there choice, let God judge them for what they are. It is none of my business.......

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    And to add further note, i have absolutely NOTHING against gays.

    My 1st cousin that has my same surname is gay and a close friend of mine is gay.

    I have not ONCE told them what they are doing is wrong let alone even think about hitting them or bashing them.

    My simple motto, its there choice, let God judge them for what they are. It is none of my business.......

     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2011 - 1:51 AM ET #3802

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    And to add further note, i have absolutely NOTHING against gays.

    My 1st cousin that has my same surname is gay and a close friend of mine is gay.

    I have not ONCE told them what they are doing is wrong let alone even think about hitting them or bashing them.

    My simple motto, its there choice, let God judge them for what they are. It is none of my business.......


    Fair enough Rostos. I can accept that. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    And to add further note, i have absolutely NOTHING against gays.

    My 1st cousin that has my same surname is gay and a close friend of mine is gay.

    I have not ONCE told them what they are doing is wrong let alone even think about hitting them or bashing them.

    My simple motto, its there choice, let God judge them for what they are. It is none of my business.......


    Fair enough Rostos. I can accept that. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2011 - 2:10 AM ET #3803

    [Quote: Originally Posted by Sugarbear19] *sex with men LOL... I'm not having sex with men, no thank you. I was born straight and didn't have to "make a choice" [/Quote

    Of course you made a choice. Don't you know any actions that you do are choices made by you. Otherwise you would be a robot being controlled by another...lol

    When you use illicit drugs you are making the choice of using it...aren't you? When you smoke a cigarrette that's another choice you made. When you want to have sex that's another choice you've made.

    But choices we make can be at times considered right or wrong other times it doesn't matter. For example making a peanut butter sandwich now or perhaps an hour later...you get the idea? 

    So once again, any actions done by you are choices made because they are not forced upon you from something external.

     

     

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    [Quote: Originally Posted by Sugarbear19] *sex with men LOL... I'm not having sex with men, no thank you. I was born straight and didn't have to "make a choice" [/Quote

    Of course you made a choice. Don't you know any actions that you do are choices made by you. Otherwise you would be a robot being controlled by another...lol

    When you use illicit drugs you are making the choice of using it...aren't you? When you smoke a cigarrette that's another choice you made. When you want to have sex that's another choice you've made.

    But choices we make can be at times considered right or wrong other times it doesn't matter. For example making a peanut butter sandwich now or perhaps an hour later...you get the idea? 

    So once again, any actions done by you are choices made because they are not forced upon you from something external.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2011 - 2:14 AM ET #3804

    Even so SJD, even if it is a choice (which it isn't), how can you say it's ok to persecute them? DO YOU HATE GAYS? I wanna know.
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    Even so SJD, even if it is a choice (which it isn't), how can you say it's ok to persecute them? DO YOU HATE GAYS? I wanna know.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2011 - 2:20 AM ET #3805

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    No. You're just too stupid to address our concerns. They are perfectly valid. Why should we hate gays just because god said so? If god told you to kill yourself at age 50, would you? ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.

    How can they be valid when it's insult after insult? All this name calling makes anything you say invalid. You are getting too emotional and so how can anyone have a civilized discussion.

    Who is talking about hating people? I'm certainly not saying that...again your arguments are invalid...so please make valid arguments.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    No. You're just too stupid to address our concerns. They are perfectly valid. Why should we hate gays just because god said so? If god told you to kill yourself at age 50, would you? ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.

    How can they be valid when it's insult after insult? All this name calling makes anything you say invalid. You are getting too emotional and so how can anyone have a civilized discussion.

    Who is talking about hating people? I'm certainly not saying that...again your arguments are invalid...so please make valid arguments.

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2011 - 2:39 AM ET #3806

    Answer my questions.
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    Answer my questions.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2011 - 2:49 AM ET #3807

    In my 16 years of following Christ and going to a very large Christian college, I know of no one, NOT EVEN one, that has ever slandered, criticized or made fun of someone that was a homosexual.

    Yet in my hay day, of 11 years of partying and doing drugs, I came across 100's if not 1,000's of people that made fun of, argued with and humiliated homosexuals. 

    The only "so-called" Christians, (and in my opinion, only Christian by title), that I am aware of, that attacks homosexuals is people from the Westboro Baptist Church.

    An individual that is TRULY born again and loves Jesus would NEVER and I repeat NEVER attack a homosexual. 

    To do so, would contradict ALL that Jesus taught and commanded us to do. 
    It would be utter hypocrisy at it's pinnacle. 

    There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for a born again Christian to attack a homosexual, in any form...when they themselves are sinners, that have been saved by grace...that still continue to struggle with sin within their own heart.


     
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    In my 16 years of following Christ and going to a very large Christian college, I know of no one, NOT EVEN one, that has ever slandered, criticized or made fun of someone that was a homosexual.

    Yet in my hay day, of 11 years of partying and doing drugs, I came across 100's if not 1,000's of people that made fun of, argued with and humiliated homosexuals. 

    The only "so-called" Christians, (and in my opinion, only Christian by title), that I am aware of, that attacks homosexuals is people from the Westboro Baptist Church.

    An individual that is TRULY born again and loves Jesus would NEVER and I repeat NEVER attack a homosexual. 

    To do so, would contradict ALL that Jesus taught and commanded us to do. 
    It would be utter hypocrisy at it's pinnacle. 

    There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for a born again Christian to attack a homosexual, in any form...when they themselves are sinners, that have been saved by grace...that still continue to struggle with sin within their own heart.


     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2011 - 3:10 AM ET #3808

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Invalid arguments! Please try your best to make valid arguments...thank you!



    It is 100% valid.  You're just too dumb to understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Invalid arguments! Please try your best to make valid arguments...thank you!



    It is 100% valid.  You're just too dumb to understand.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2011 - 3:59 AM ET #3809

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



    It is 100% valid.  You're just too dumb to understand.

    Appeal to motive...invalid argument...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



    It is 100% valid.  You're just too dumb to understand.

    Appeal to motive...invalid argument...lol

     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2011 - 4:13 AM ET #3810

    Once again, Matt is the only one man enough to try and answer our questions. Keep laughing SJD.
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    Once again, Matt is the only one man enough to try and answer our questions. Keep laughing SJD.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2011 - 4:22 AM ET #3811

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Even so SJD, even if it is a choice how can you say it's ok to persecute them? DO YOU HATE GAYS? I wanna know.

    Where did I say it's ok to persecute them? I have never said that. Show me the pg. and the post number where I said that? 

    Prime example of you making an invalid statement or argument. I have noticed you and mik are very good at misunderstanding what we believers say on this thread.

     All I have said is that their lifestyle is sinful that's all and never have I said I hate them and want to persecute them.

    Furthermore it wasn't me bringing up this topic, I know we had discuss this way back and thought we were done with it but oh no you or your brother mik had to bring it up again.

    I don't hate anybody, besides my Lord Savior Jesus Christ said to love everyone.

    Lastly I just want to say everyone will be judged someday and right now I feel sorry for all you non believers. Heaven and hell is as real as the earth and the sun.  

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Even so SJD, even if it is a choice how can you say it's ok to persecute them? DO YOU HATE GAYS? I wanna know.

    Where did I say it's ok to persecute them? I have never said that. Show me the pg. and the post number where I said that? 

    Prime example of you making an invalid statement or argument. I have noticed you and mik are very good at misunderstanding what we believers say on this thread.

     All I have said is that their lifestyle is sinful that's all and never have I said I hate them and want to persecute them.

    Furthermore it wasn't me bringing up this topic, I know we had discuss this way back and thought we were done with it but oh no you or your brother mik had to bring it up again.

    I don't hate anybody, besides my Lord Savior Jesus Christ said to love everyone.

    Lastly I just want to say everyone will be judged someday and right now I feel sorry for all you non believers. Heaven and hell is as real as the earth and the sun.  

     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2011 - 4:31 AM ET #3812

    You say their lifestyle is sinful. I disagree. Your logic for why their lifestyle is sinful is that god said so. So I ask you, if it was in the bible that god said all men should kill themselves at 50 years old, would you kill yourself at age 50. Don't give me any nonsense regarding how that conflicts with a commandment. Just straight up, if that was in the bible and to be taken literally, what would you do?
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    You say their lifestyle is sinful. I disagree. Your logic for why their lifestyle is sinful is that god said so. So I ask you, if it was in the bible that god said all men should kill themselves at 50 years old, would you kill yourself at age 50. Don't give me any nonsense regarding how that conflicts with a commandment. Just straight up, if that was in the bible and to be taken literally, what would you do?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2011 - 5:07 AM ET #3813

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Appeal to motive...invalid argument...lol



    Man, you're really dumb.  You don't even know what that is...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Appeal to motive...invalid argument...lol



    Man, you're really dumb.  You don't even know what that is...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2011 - 5:09 AM ET #3814

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Heaven and hell is as real as the earth and the sun.  


    Well, I can see the sun and I can certainly see and feel the earth.  Where is heaven and hell exactly?  Is it underneath Hogwarts?


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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Heaven and hell is as real as the earth and the sun.  


    Well, I can see the sun and I can certainly see and feel the earth.  Where is heaven and hell exactly?  Is it underneath Hogwarts?


     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2011 - 8:46 AM ET #3815

    Happy New Year everybody 
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    Happy New Year everybody 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2011 - 9:11 AM ET #3816

    Perhaps the atheists need to not drink while posting because the intelligence level is dropping significantly among you. GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK HEADS. THE OLD TESTAMENT DOESN'T APPLY TO MODERN TIMES. THOSE LAWS WERE WRITTEN FOR THAT TIME PERIOD.
    When Jesus came he brought in a new age. So all those penalties of stoning are no longer valid. Your entire arguments are based on laws that are no longer valid. Like we have tried to get through to you dumb asses, any Christian that hate a group of people for any reason is going against God's will for man. So please stop blaming the hate by some Christians on the fact that God say's it's ok. Even if they say God says it ok it's not ok. It simply  isn't the TRUTH. Just like your insane butts that insist that the God that says love your fellow man doesn't exist. You're just as insane as the Christians who say God told them to do it. IT'S CALLED BEING DELUSIONAL. Recognize it and cure yourselves of this sickness.
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    Perhaps the atheists need to not drink while posting because the intelligence level is dropping significantly among you. GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK HEADS. THE OLD TESTAMENT DOESN'T APPLY TO MODERN TIMES. THOSE LAWS WERE WRITTEN FOR THAT TIME PERIOD.
    When Jesus came he brought in a new age. So all those penalties of stoning are no longer valid. Your entire arguments are based on laws that are no longer valid. Like we have tried to get through to you dumb asses, any Christian that hate a group of people for any reason is going against God's will for man. So please stop blaming the hate by some Christians on the fact that God say's it's ok. Even if they say God says it ok it's not ok. It simply  isn't the TRUTH. Just like your insane butts that insist that the God that says love your fellow man doesn't exist. You're just as insane as the Christians who say God told them to do it. IT'S CALLED BEING DELUSIONAL. Recognize it and cure yourselves of this sickness.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2011 - 9:50 AM ET #3817

    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    Perhaps the atheists need to not drink while posting because the intelligence level is dropping significantly among you. GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK HEADS. THE OLD TESTAMENT DOESN'T APPLY TO MODERN TIMES. THOSE LAWS WERE WRITTEN FOR THAT TIME PERIOD.
    When Jesus came he brought in a new age. So all those penalties of stoning are no longer valid. Your entire arguments are based on laws that are no longer valid. Like we have tried to get through to you dumb asses, any Christian that hate a group of people for any reason is going against God's will for man. So please stop blaming the hate by some Christians on the fact that God say's it's ok. Even if they say God says it ok it's not ok. It simply  isn't the TRUTH. Just like your insane butts that insist that the God that says love your fellow man doesn't exist. You're just as insane as the Christians who say God told them to do it. IT'S CALLED BEING DELUSIONAL. Recognize it and cure yourselves of this sickness.

     As I said in my thread that everyone still refuses to read... could it possibly be that we are right, and no one can refute the things that have been said? Because no one has yet to refute anything that I have said. Thanks for your comments bro, and happy new year to you and your family
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    Perhaps the atheists need to not drink while posting because the intelligence level is dropping significantly among you. GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK HEADS. THE OLD TESTAMENT DOESN'T APPLY TO MODERN TIMES. THOSE LAWS WERE WRITTEN FOR THAT TIME PERIOD.
    When Jesus came he brought in a new age. So all those penalties of stoning are no longer valid. Your entire arguments are based on laws that are no longer valid. Like we have tried to get through to you dumb asses, any Christian that hate a group of people for any reason is going against God's will for man. So please stop blaming the hate by some Christians on the fact that God say's it's ok. Even if they say God says it ok it's not ok. It simply  isn't the TRUTH. Just like your insane butts that insist that the God that says love your fellow man doesn't exist. You're just as insane as the Christians who say God told them to do it. IT'S CALLED BEING DELUSIONAL. Recognize it and cure yourselves of this sickness.

     As I said in my thread that everyone still refuses to read... could it possibly be that we are right, and no one can refute the things that have been said? Because no one has yet to refute anything that I have said. Thanks for your comments bro, and happy new year to you and your family
     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2011 - 9:54 AM ET #3818

    Quote Originally Posted by EX4life:


     As I said in my thread that everyone still refuses to read... could it possibly be that we are right, and no one can refute the things that have been said? Because no one has yet to refute anything that I have said. Thanks for your comments bro, and happy new year to you and your family
    Thank and Happy New Year to you and your family! What page are your comments on and I will read them? 
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    Quote Originally Posted by EX4life:


     As I said in my thread that everyone still refuses to read... could it possibly be that we are right, and no one can refute the things that have been said? Because no one has yet to refute anything that I have said. Thanks for your comments bro, and happy new year to you and your family
    Thank and Happy New Year to you and your family! What page are your comments on and I will read them? 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2011 - 9:58 AM ET #3819

    Well, I have answered a TON of questions and comments in my own thread 

    https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=35&sub=101131869

    Liuke I said, there is a TON of responses I have made, so please take your time haha but I wo0uld love to hear some feedback on it as well  thanks bro
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    Well, I have answered a TON of questions and comments in my own thread 

    https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=35&sub=101131869

    Liuke I said, there is a TON of responses I have made, so please take your time haha but I wo0uld love to hear some feedback on it as well  thanks bro
     
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    Ex4life-Just so you know if your comments had anything to do with believing in God and showing solid logic behind it the atheist aren't interested in that. They seem to be experts at avoiding serious questions about their atheism and tend to have repetitive answers about anything when it comes to close. They are experts at avoiding the microscope on their pathetic lies with psycho babble bullshit and other nonsense. This of course shields them from the real world because they are simply COWARDS and refuse to deal with the TRUTH. But instead like the little boys they are, they shake their fists at God and say "I don't believe you exist" but yet and still have spent months arguing about something they say doesn't exist. Of course this makes perfect sense to them because their minds are totally gone from this warped way of thinking. But hold on we're the ones that are crazy. 
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    Ex4life-Just so you know if your comments had anything to do with believing in God and showing solid logic behind it the atheist aren't interested in that. They seem to be experts at avoiding serious questions about their atheism and tend to have repetitive answers about anything when it comes to close. They are experts at avoiding the microscope on their pathetic lies with psycho babble bullshit and other nonsense. This of course shields them from the real world because they are simply COWARDS and refuse to deal with the TRUTH. But instead like the little boys they are, they shake their fists at God and say "I don't believe you exist" but yet and still have spent months arguing about something they say doesn't exist. Of course this makes perfect sense to them because their minds are totally gone from this warped way of thinking. But hold on we're the ones that are crazy. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2011 - 10:04 AM ET #3821

    Like my dad has always said, it takes more faith to be an atheist than it is to believe that God exists 
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    Like my dad has always said, it takes more faith to be an atheist than it is to believe that God exists 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by EX4life:

    Like my dad has always said, it takes more faith to be an atheist than it is to believe that God exists 

    THANK YOU!!! Amen to that. I just checked your thread. I will read more when I have time. But these atheists are not interested in the TRUTH and when hit with the "evidence" and "proof" they seek. They dismiss it because it threatens their little world. Matt4000 has attempted to do this on this thread with impressive facts. They wont touch it. They dismiss it because they say, which he has acknowledged comes from another website. But then they turn around and plagiarize without acknowledging the source and thats ok. This is part of the mental illness that we're dealing with. So in closing keep up the good work that you do but if you think these atheist will bother to seriously read anything that we have to say regarding hard facts about God or Jesus you will be waiting for a long time.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by EX4life:

    Like my dad has always said, it takes more faith to be an atheist than it is to believe that God exists 

    THANK YOU!!! Amen to that. I just checked your thread. I will read more when I have time. But these atheists are not interested in the TRUTH and when hit with the "evidence" and "proof" they seek. They dismiss it because it threatens their little world. Matt4000 has attempted to do this on this thread with impressive facts. They wont touch it. They dismiss it because they say, which he has acknowledged comes from another website. But then they turn around and plagiarize without acknowledging the source and thats ok. This is part of the mental illness that we're dealing with. So in closing keep up the good work that you do but if you think these atheist will bother to seriously read anything that we have to say regarding hard facts about God or Jesus you will be waiting for a long time.  
     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2011 - 10:27 AM ET #3823

    Thanks bro, I agree  and I have said this before, even in this thread I believe... but even if nobody responds to what i say, if ONE person reads what I say and are changed because of it, whether they say it or not, then it has all been worth it... thank you again
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    Thanks bro, I agree  and I have said this before, even in this thread I believe... but even if nobody responds to what i say, if ONE person reads what I say and are changed because of it, whether they say it or not, then it has all been worth it... thank you again
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:


    THANK YOU!!! Amen to that. I just checked your thread. I will read more when I have time. But these atheists are not interested in the TRUTH and when hit with the "evidence" and "proof" they seek. They dismiss it because it threatens their little world. Matt4000 has attempted to do this on this thread with impressive facts. They wont touch it. They dismiss it because they say, which he has acknowledged comes from another website. But then they turn around and plagiarize without acknowledging the source and thats ok. This is part of the mental illness that we're dealing with. So in closing keep up the good work that you do but if you think these atheist will bother to seriously read anything that we have to say regarding hard facts about God or Jesus you will be waiting for a long time.  


    you don't even really believe
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:


    THANK YOU!!! Amen to that. I just checked your thread. I will read more when I have time. But these atheists are not interested in the TRUTH and when hit with the "evidence" and "proof" they seek. They dismiss it because it threatens their little world. Matt4000 has attempted to do this on this thread with impressive facts. They wont touch it. They dismiss it because they say, which he has acknowledged comes from another website. But then they turn around and plagiarize without acknowledging the source and thats ok. This is part of the mental illness that we're dealing with. So in closing keep up the good work that you do but if you think these atheist will bother to seriously read anything that we have to say regarding hard facts about God or Jesus you will be waiting for a long time.  


    you don't even really believe
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by EX4life:

    Like my dad has always said, it takes more faith to be an atheist than it is to believe that God exists 

    Well that's flat out a lie considering your entire beliefs are based on faith (as SJD said - his faith tells him the bible is the word of god) and what we think is based on fact.

    Smoothd - still haven't shown one way in which we are cowards. I'd say keep trying, but you haven't even tried once. We are "cowards and refuse to deal with the truth." What does that even mean? We don't avoid questions. We simply don't have the answers to all the questions. But you can continue believing in magic because you are AFRAID to accept the fact that as human beings we don't know anything. Hmm...seems like there is a TON OF EVIDENCE as to why you are a COWARD, but literally ZERO EVIDENCE as to why we are cowards...interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EX4life:

    Like my dad has always said, it takes more faith to be an atheist than it is to believe that God exists 

    Well that's flat out a lie considering your entire beliefs are based on faith (as SJD said - his faith tells him the bible is the word of god) and what we think is based on fact.

    Smoothd - still haven't shown one way in which we are cowards. I'd say keep trying, but you haven't even tried once. We are "cowards and refuse to deal with the truth." What does that even mean? We don't avoid questions. We simply don't have the answers to all the questions. But you can continue believing in magic because you are AFRAID to accept the fact that as human beings we don't know anything. Hmm...seems like there is a TON OF EVIDENCE as to why you are a COWARD, but literally ZERO EVIDENCE as to why we are cowards...interesting.
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