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    Posted: May. 3, 2011 - 10:08 AM ET #1

    If you're a conspiracy theorist then this video is for you.  I'm not making claims that this was all a hoax, but I am skeptical about how all the news was laid out to us.

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    If you're a conspiracy theorist then this video is for you.  I'm not making claims that this was all a hoax, but I am skeptical about how all the news was laid out to us.

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    Posted: May. 3, 2011 - 10:30 AM ET #2

    whats a "conspiracy theorist"?
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    whats a "conspiracy theorist"?
     
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    I'm not allowed to answer that.
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    Posted: May. 3, 2011 - 10:53 AM ET #4

    Im normally a big fan of infowars but im not sure they got this one right. I need more info before I get on the Hoax bandwagon. It is all very suspicious and almost comical that they tossed him overboard. It probably is a hoax but I havent been convinced yet either way I want to see these photos and videos they supposedly have.
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    Im normally a big fan of infowars but im not sure they got this one right. I need more info before I get on the Hoax bandwagon. It is all very suspicious and almost comical that they tossed him overboard. It probably is a hoax but I havent been convinced yet either way I want to see these photos and videos they supposedly have.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by greedler:

    Im normally a big fan of infowars but im not sure they got this one right. I need more info before I get on the Hoax bandwagon. It is all very suspicious and almost comical that they tossed him overboard. It probably is a hoax but I havent been convinced yet either way I want to see these photos and videos they supposedly have.
    they (US GOVT.) say they threw him overboard because there wasnt a "land option"...huh?...you're telling me the pakistanis that were hiding him from us wouldnt accept his body? the afghanis wouldn't take his body, how about his parents, you know the royal family of saudi arabia, the ones GW had flown out of the region as his first order of business after the planes hit the towers, how come we haven't heard them say they rejected his remains, they said they dumpped it so no one would build a shrine at his buriel site, what the fuck do we care? they already concider him a martyr germans stood trial for their crimes 40 years after the fact and they killed over a million person, so why were we so hell bent on keeping HIM from going to trial (the objective was changed from capture to kill) and if we had no intentions of taking him alive, and we were so sure he was in this compound, why did we risk american lives going into the compound instead of simply bombing the shit out of it? it is truly almost conical
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    Quote Originally Posted by greedler:

    Im normally a big fan of infowars but im not sure they got this one right. I need more info before I get on the Hoax bandwagon. It is all very suspicious and almost comical that they tossed him overboard. It probably is a hoax but I havent been convinced yet either way I want to see these photos and videos they supposedly have.
    they (US GOVT.) say they threw him overboard because there wasnt a "land option"...huh?...you're telling me the pakistanis that were hiding him from us wouldnt accept his body? the afghanis wouldn't take his body, how about his parents, you know the royal family of saudi arabia, the ones GW had flown out of the region as his first order of business after the planes hit the towers, how come we haven't heard them say they rejected his remains, they said they dumpped it so no one would build a shrine at his buriel site, what the fuck do we care? they already concider him a martyr germans stood trial for their crimes 40 years after the fact and they killed over a million person, so why were we so hell bent on keeping HIM from going to trial (the objective was changed from capture to kill) and if we had no intentions of taking him alive, and we were so sure he was in this compound, why did we risk american lives going into the compound instead of simply bombing the shit out of it? it is truly almost conical
     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2011 - 1:43 PM ET #6

     Him being dead Isnt even the issue to me. The issue is can they prove to me Osama Bin Laden was a walking breathing person up until 2 days ago. I want to see a video of him and what he looked like in the recent years not some photoshopped picture of some corpse with his head blown off that proves nothing.

     

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     Him being dead Isnt even the issue to me. The issue is can they prove to me Osama Bin Laden was a walking breathing person up until 2 days ago. I want to see a video of him and what he looked like in the recent years not some photoshopped picture of some corpse with his head blown off that proves nothing.

     

     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2011 - 2:38 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by tmstr929:

    they (US GOVT.) say they threw him overboard because there wasnt a "land option"...huh?...you're telling me the pakistanis that were hiding him from us wouldnt accept his body? the afghanis wouldn't take his body, how about his parents, you know the royal family of saudi arabia, the ones GW had flown out of the region as his first order of business after the planes hit the towers, how come we haven't heard them say they rejected his remains, they said they dumpped it so no one would build a shrine at his buriel site, what the fuck do we care? they already concider him a martyr germans stood trial for their crimes 40 years after the fact and they killed over a million person, so why were we so hell bent on keeping HIM from going to trial (the objective was changed from capture to kill) and if we had no intentions of taking him alive, and we were so sure he was in this compound, why did we risk american lives going into the compound instead of simply bombing the shit out of it? it is truly almost conical

    It was changed from capture to kill because he wouldn't surrender.

    And they were never "so sure". They never even saw him in the compound. They didn't bomb "the shit out of it" because of how the US would look among diplomats if he wasn't there.

    So no. It's not "truly conical"


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    Quote Originally Posted by tmstr929:

    they (US GOVT.) say they threw him overboard because there wasnt a "land option"...huh?...you're telling me the pakistanis that were hiding him from us wouldnt accept his body? the afghanis wouldn't take his body, how about his parents, you know the royal family of saudi arabia, the ones GW had flown out of the region as his first order of business after the planes hit the towers, how come we haven't heard them say they rejected his remains, they said they dumpped it so no one would build a shrine at his buriel site, what the fuck do we care? they already concider him a martyr germans stood trial for their crimes 40 years after the fact and they killed over a million person, so why were we so hell bent on keeping HIM from going to trial (the objective was changed from capture to kill) and if we had no intentions of taking him alive, and we were so sure he was in this compound, why did we risk american lives going into the compound instead of simply bombing the shit out of it? it is truly almost conical

    It was changed from capture to kill because he wouldn't surrender.

    And they were never "so sure". They never even saw him in the compound. They didn't bomb "the shit out of it" because of how the US would look among diplomats if he wasn't there.

    So no. It's not "truly conical"


     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2011 - 2:43 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by marnypoly:


    It was changed from capture to kill because he wouldn't surrender.

    And they were never "so sure". They never even saw him in the compound. They didn't bomb "the shit out of it" because of how the US would look among diplomats if he wasn't there.

    So no. It's not "truly conical"


    https://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE73T0AG20110430 

    I guess they didnt get that memo when they took out a school of special ed kids they other day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marnypoly:


    It was changed from capture to kill because he wouldn't surrender.

    And they were never "so sure". They never even saw him in the compound. They didn't bomb "the shit out of it" because of how the US would look among diplomats if he wasn't there.

    So no. It's not "truly conical"


    https://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE73T0AG20110430 

    I guess they didnt get that memo when they took out a school of special ed kids they other day.

     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2011 - 2:51 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by greedler:

    https://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE73T0AG20110430 

    I guess they didnt get that memo when they took out a school of special ed kids they other day.


    Nobody gives a shit about what's going on in Libya

    And it says no children were present.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greedler:

    https://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE73T0AG20110430 

    I guess they didnt get that memo when they took out a school of special ed kids they other day.


    Nobody gives a shit about what's going on in Libya

    And it says no children were present.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnypoly:


    It was changed from capture to kill because he wouldn't surrender.

    And they were never "so sure". They never even saw him in the compound. They didn't bomb "the shit out of it" because of how the US would look among diplomats if he wasn't there.

    So no. It's not "truly conical"


    you obviously haven't read the latest reports, surrender? HE WASN'T EVEN ARMED how do you think world diplomats will view that? they didnt seem to give that much consideration, they killed him to avoid what he might say at a trial, do you not think at least 1 of the family members of all those murdered people might have wanted or needed to confront him face to face? i do
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnypoly:


    It was changed from capture to kill because he wouldn't surrender.

    And they were never "so sure". They never even saw him in the compound. They didn't bomb "the shit out of it" because of how the US would look among diplomats if he wasn't there.

    So no. It's not "truly conical"


    you obviously haven't read the latest reports, surrender? HE WASN'T EVEN ARMED how do you think world diplomats will view that? they didnt seem to give that much consideration, they killed him to avoid what he might say at a trial, do you not think at least 1 of the family members of all those murdered people might have wanted or needed to confront him face to face? i do
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by greedler:

     Him being dead Isnt even the issue to me. The issue is can they prove to me Osama Bin Laden was a walking breathing person up until 2 days ago. I want to see a video of him and what he looked like in the recent years not some photoshopped picture of some corpse with his head blown off that proves nothing.

     



    Exactly........
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    Quote Originally Posted by greedler:

     Him being dead Isnt even the issue to me. The issue is can they prove to me Osama Bin Laden was a walking breathing person up until 2 days ago. I want to see a video of him and what he looked like in the recent years not some photoshopped picture of some corpse with his head blown off that proves nothing.

     



    Exactly........
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnypoly:


    Nobody gives a shit about what's going on in Libya

    And it says no children were present.

    I care about libya. I guess I should of said a school for special ed children. Trust me there is lots of stories around of children being killed in libya. You dont care that children are being killed in your name for very questionable reasons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marnypoly:


    Nobody gives a shit about what's going on in Libya

    And it says no children were present.

    I care about libya. I guess I should of said a school for special ed children. Trust me there is lots of stories around of children being killed in libya. You dont care that children are being killed in your name for very questionable reasons?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by tmstr929:

    you obviously haven't read the latest reports, surrender? HE WASN'T EVEN ARMED how do you think world diplomats will view that? they didnt seem to give that much consideration, they killed him to avoid what he might say at a trial, do you not think at least 1 of the family members of all those murdered people might have wanted or needed to confront him face to face? i do

    Didn't read that. Well I guess the US has some explaining to do.

    I guess that's why theyre releasing the photos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tmstr929:

    you obviously haven't read the latest reports, surrender? HE WASN'T EVEN ARMED how do you think world diplomats will view that? they didnt seem to give that much consideration, they killed him to avoid what he might say at a trial, do you not think at least 1 of the family members of all those murdered people might have wanted or needed to confront him face to face? i do

    Didn't read that. Well I guess the US has some explaining to do.

    I guess that's why theyre releasing the photos.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by greedler:

    I care about libya. I guess I should of said a school for special ed children. Trust me there is lots of stories around of children being killed in libya. You dont care that children are being killed in your name for very questionable reasons?


    How do we know children are being killed? I want to see pics of their dead bodies. Might be the Holocaust all over again.

    It's completely reasonable to believe Osama has been dead for years. That wouldn't surprise me

    It's you loons who believe we blew up our own towers that crack me up
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    Quote Originally Posted by greedler:

    I care about libya. I guess I should of said a school for special ed children. Trust me there is lots of stories around of children being killed in libya. You dont care that children are being killed in your name for very questionable reasons?


    How do we know children are being killed? I want to see pics of their dead bodies. Might be the Holocaust all over again.

    It's completely reasonable to believe Osama has been dead for years. That wouldn't surprise me

    It's you loons who believe we blew up our own towers that crack me up
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnypoly:


    How do we know children are being killed? I want to see pics of their dead bodies. Might be the Holocaust all over again.

    It's completely reasonable to believe Osama has been dead for years. That wouldn't surprise me

    It's you loons who believe we blew up our own towers that crack me up

     I never said we blew up our own towers. Only thing Ive said is the official story doesnt add up. I dont know what the truth is on that. Im done arguing with you this is off topic anyways.

    So supposedly his wife was shot but not killed Id really like to hear what she has to say. Is that too much to ask or can we expect her to be wisked off to some secret gulag never to be heard from again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marnypoly:


    How do we know children are being killed? I want to see pics of their dead bodies. Might be the Holocaust all over again.

    It's completely reasonable to believe Osama has been dead for years. That wouldn't surprise me

    It's you loons who believe we blew up our own towers that crack me up

     I never said we blew up our own towers. Only thing Ive said is the official story doesnt add up. I dont know what the truth is on that. Im done arguing with you this is off topic anyways.

    So supposedly his wife was shot but not killed Id really like to hear what she has to say. Is that too much to ask or can we expect her to be wisked off to some secret gulag never to be heard from again?

     
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    This isn't a hoax.  Why is it so hard to believe that OBL was killed?  I don't need pictures of his body to believe it.  Call me naive or whatever, thats fine.  If its a hoax, whats the point of letting people know right now?  Whats the benefit for the Obama Admin right now?  There isn't one.  I'm all for a good conspiracy theory but this one doesn't have the stink of conspiracy on it.  
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    This isn't a hoax.  Why is it so hard to believe that OBL was killed?  I don't need pictures of his body to believe it.  Call me naive or whatever, thats fine.  If its a hoax, whats the point of letting people know right now?  Whats the benefit for the Obama Admin right now?  There isn't one.  I'm all for a good conspiracy theory but this one doesn't have the stink of conspiracy on it.  
     
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     "What the benefit of the obama administration?"

    Obama has the worst approval ratings of any president this far in his term in US history for one. To take away from the fraud of a birth certificate he just realized for another. Rising resistence to the TSA by the states strating to fight back against it so they need a little terror to quiet every down. Extremely unpopular war in libya and an election getting closer everyday. I could go on for hours but whats the point either you believe it or you dont.

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     "What the benefit of the obama administration?"

    Obama has the worst approval ratings of any president this far in his term in US history for one. To take away from the fraud of a birth certificate he just realized for another. Rising resistence to the TSA by the states strating to fight back against it so they need a little terror to quiet every down. Extremely unpopular war in libya and an election getting closer everyday. I could go on for hours but whats the point either you believe it or you dont.

     
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    I didn't know it was part of the Islamic tradition to chuck a dead asshole coward into the sea within 24 hours of his death.. mmmm... I tried to google the tradition and I'm having trouble finding it..
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    I didn't know it was part of the Islamic tradition to chuck a dead asshole coward into the sea within 24 hours of his death.. mmmm... I tried to google the tradition and I'm having trouble finding it..
     
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    Private message me if you wanna make some easy money
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    Quote Originally Posted by TdotCapper:

    Private message me if you wanna make some easy money
    Do all have to do is wire some money to Nigeria to help a top ranking official?
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    Private message me if you wanna make some easy money
    Do all have to do is wire some money to Nigeria to help a top ranking official?
     
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    Because he was dead already, and obama political machine has been holding this card for awhile waiting for when they seemed to need it the most.

    Chew on the alleged sequence of events, among a plethora of other  timeline events going back a few years I dont have time to peck out to you........

    In a two hour period, Bin Laden killed in a covert operation in Pakistan. Killed. Obama gives speech in which he stammers around with a whole bunch of "I did this", "I ordered this", "my orders" blah blah blah..... Our "president" did this vague ass take credit for everything approx 24 times immediately following "Bin Laden's death" (ludicrous also since the the military foundations were set in place years ago by Pres. Bush, and the backbone of Obama's campaign in '08 were his being opposed to all of Bush's military ops of programs against Al Qeuda)....

    ...about an hour later, when the questions about the body were circulating.... this convenient "we buried him at sea already, sorry"....

    All that in about 2 hours....start to finish. One minute, Bin Laden in Pakistan, Bin Laden killed in Seal operation,, Bin Laden transported/flown out into Meditteranean somewhere, Bin laden's body washed/cleansed as per Islamic cultural norms, Bin Laden disposed of, alleged press release that body dumped and gone.. "ooops, sorry we thought it best that way"



    C'mon. What was the hurry? Any and all other criminals assasinated, killed, terminated, whatever...they would be triple checking DNA, examinations, protocols, etc etc etc.... DNA test (just one) done in amazing time...no other exams, multiple US officials signing off etc ...before the body gets dumped in ocean all within 2 hours of B Laden's death/transportation/disposal in the water??? Yeah right.




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    Because he was dead already, and obama political machine has been holding this card for awhile waiting for when they seemed to need it the most.

    Chew on the alleged sequence of events, among a plethora of other  timeline events going back a few years I dont have time to peck out to you........

    In a two hour period, Bin Laden killed in a covert operation in Pakistan. Killed. Obama gives speech in which he stammers around with a whole bunch of "I did this", "I ordered this", "my orders" blah blah blah..... Our "president" did this vague ass take credit for everything approx 24 times immediately following "Bin Laden's death" (ludicrous also since the the military foundations were set in place years ago by Pres. Bush, and the backbone of Obama's campaign in '08 were his being opposed to all of Bush's military ops of programs against Al Qeuda)....

    ...about an hour later, when the questions about the body were circulating.... this convenient "we buried him at sea already, sorry"....

    All that in about 2 hours....start to finish. One minute, Bin Laden in Pakistan, Bin Laden killed in Seal operation,, Bin Laden transported/flown out into Meditteranean somewhere, Bin laden's body washed/cleansed as per Islamic cultural norms, Bin Laden disposed of, alleged press release that body dumped and gone.. "ooops, sorry we thought it best that way"



    C'mon. What was the hurry? Any and all other criminals assasinated, killed, terminated, whatever...they would be triple checking DNA, examinations, protocols, etc etc etc.... DNA test (just one) done in amazing time...no other exams, multiple US officials signing off etc ...before the body gets dumped in ocean all within 2 hours of B Laden's death/transportation/disposal in the water??? Yeah right.




     
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    No way this story is 100% legit. No way. What parts are false I dont know, but it aint right.....
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    No way this story is 100% legit. No way. What parts are false I dont know, but it aint right.....
     
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    Exactly
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    Quote Originally Posted by dennishopson:

    Because he was dead already, and obama political machine has been holding this card for awhile waiting for when they seemed to need it the most.

    Chew on the alleged sequence of events, among a plethora of other  timeline events going back a few years I dont have time to peck out to you........

    In a two hour period, Bin Laden killed in a covert operation in Pakistan. Killed. Obama gives speech in which he stammers around with a whole bunch of "I did this", "I ordered this", "my orders" blah blah blah..... Our "president" did this vague ass take credit for everything approx 24 times immediately following "Bin Laden's death" (ludicrous also since the the military foundations were set in place years ago by Pres. Bush, and the backbone of Obama's campaign in '08 were his being opposed to all of Bush's military ops of programs against Al Qeuda)....

    ...about an hour later, when the questions about the body were circulating.... this convenient "we buried him at sea already, sorry"....

    All that in about 2 hours....start to finish. One minute, Bin Laden in Pakistan, Bin Laden killed in Seal operation,, Bin Laden transported/flown out into Meditteranean somewhere, Bin laden's body washed/cleansed as per Islamic cultural norms, Bin Laden disposed of, alleged press release that body dumped and gone.. "ooops, sorry we thought it best that way"



    C'mon. What was the hurry? Any and all other criminals assasinated, killed, terminated, whatever...they would be triple checking DNA, examinations, protocols, etc etc etc.... DNA test (just one) done in amazing time...no other exams, multiple US officials signing off etc ...before the body gets dumped in ocean all within 2 hours of B Laden's death/transportation/disposal in the water??? Yeah right.





    It wasn't in 2 hours.  Where are you getting that from?  
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    Because he was dead already, and obama political machine has been holding this card for awhile waiting for when they seemed to need it the most.

    Chew on the alleged sequence of events, among a plethora of other  timeline events going back a few years I dont have time to peck out to you........

    In a two hour period, Bin Laden killed in a covert operation in Pakistan. Killed. Obama gives speech in which he stammers around with a whole bunch of "I did this", "I ordered this", "my orders" blah blah blah..... Our "president" did this vague ass take credit for everything approx 24 times immediately following "Bin Laden's death" (ludicrous also since the the military foundations were set in place years ago by Pres. Bush, and the backbone of Obama's campaign in '08 were his being opposed to all of Bush's military ops of programs against Al Qeuda)....

    ...about an hour later, when the questions about the body were circulating.... this convenient "we buried him at sea already, sorry"....

    All that in about 2 hours....start to finish. One minute, Bin Laden in Pakistan, Bin Laden killed in Seal operation,, Bin Laden transported/flown out into Meditteranean somewhere, Bin laden's body washed/cleansed as per Islamic cultural norms, Bin Laden disposed of, alleged press release that body dumped and gone.. "ooops, sorry we thought it best that way"



    C'mon. What was the hurry? Any and all other criminals assasinated, killed, terminated, whatever...they would be triple checking DNA, examinations, protocols, etc etc etc.... DNA test (just one) done in amazing time...no other exams, multiple US officials signing off etc ...before the body gets dumped in ocean all within 2 hours of B Laden's death/transportation/disposal in the water??? Yeah right.





    It wasn't in 2 hours.  Where are you getting that from?  
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by greedler:

     "What the benefit of the obama administration?"

    Obama has the worst approval ratings of any president this far in his term in US history for one. To take away from the fraud of a birth certificate he just realized for another. Rising resistence to the TSA by the states strating to fight back against it so they need a little terror to quiet every down. Extremely unpopular war in libya and an election getting closer everyday. I could go on for hours but whats the point either you believe it or you dont.


    I agree with what you're saying, but this thing will only buy him a short uptick in popularity.  When this dies down in a few weeks, he'll still be back where he was.  The economy isn't getting better despite what they want to feed us.  They'll raise the debt ceiling and tell us they need to so they can pay off the debts of the US.  Only to prolong the the next collapse of the dollar which is inevitable.  This OBL death won't distract things enough that are happening in this country. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by greedler:

     "What the benefit of the obama administration?"

    Obama has the worst approval ratings of any president this far in his term in US history for one. To take away from the fraud of a birth certificate he just realized for another. Rising resistence to the TSA by the states strating to fight back against it so they need a little terror to quiet every down. Extremely unpopular war in libya and an election getting closer everyday. I could go on for hours but whats the point either you believe it or you dont.


    I agree with what you're saying, but this thing will only buy him a short uptick in popularity.  When this dies down in a few weeks, he'll still be back where he was.  The economy isn't getting better despite what they want to feed us.  They'll raise the debt ceiling and tell us they need to so they can pay off the debts of the US.  Only to prolong the the next collapse of the dollar which is inevitable.  This OBL death won't distract things enough that are happening in this country. 
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