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    tlml1899
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2011 - 3:27 PM ET #126

    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    2) illegal sexual conduct involving an adult and a child

    has nothing to do with relations between

    two consenting adfults that are perfectly legal.

    as for your new question, how the fuck would

    i know why an old man would want to have

    sex with a child.  perhaps it's an uncontrollable urge

    they can't fight.

    why does catholic priest

    after catholic priest molest little kids? 

    who knows.  they are fucked in the head. 

    why do the pope and others among him

    cover these numerous incidents up?  they are bad for business. 

     but again, this is a criminology question, unrelated to two

    consenting adults entering into a relationship

    voluntarily, that for some reason gets the insecure,

    bible thumping frreaks all bent out of shape.

     

    So being a pedifile is only wrong because it's illegal according to you,correct?

    Because sodomy laws were only struck down in 2003 , so before 2003 that you were against people being gay correct since tech. it was illegal ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    2) illegal sexual conduct involving an adult and a child

    has nothing to do with relations between

    two consenting adfults that are perfectly legal.

    as for your new question, how the fuck would

    i know why an old man would want to have

    sex with a child.  perhaps it's an uncontrollable urge

    they can't fight.

    why does catholic priest

    after catholic priest molest little kids? 

    who knows.  they are fucked in the head. 

    why do the pope and others among him

    cover these numerous incidents up?  they are bad for business. 

     but again, this is a criminology question, unrelated to two

    consenting adults entering into a relationship

    voluntarily, that for some reason gets the insecure,

    bible thumping frreaks all bent out of shape.

     

    So being a pedifile is only wrong because it's illegal according to you,correct?

    Because sodomy laws were only struck down in 2003 , so before 2003 that you were against people being gay correct since tech. it was illegal ?

     
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2011 - 3:30 PM ET #127

    Sorry **Pedophile ........brain lapse
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2011 - 3:31 PM ET #128

    Quote: Originally Posted by HutchEmAll]

    Yeah, I think I'll decide to be gay today.  That might be kind of fun. 

    God's Anger at Sin (Romans: Part of chapters 1 & 2)

    But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness. They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities---his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

    Yes they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.

    So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.

    Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobery their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless and have no mercy. They know God's justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them too.

    God's judgment of Sin

    For a day of anger is coming, when God's righteous judgment will be revealed. He will judge everyone according to what they have done. He will give eternal life to those who keep doing doing good, seeking after glory and honor and immortality that God offers. But he will pour out his anger and wrath on those who live for themselves, who refuse to obey the truth and instead live lives of wickedness. There will be trouble and calamity for everyone who keeps on doing what is evil---for the person first and also for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.

    When the Gentiles sin, they will be destroyed, even though they never had God's written law. And the person, who do have God's law, will be judged by that law when they fail to obey it. For merely listening to the law doesn't make us right with God. It is obeying the law that makes us right in his sight. Even Gentiles, who do not have God's written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it. They demonstrate the God's law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are dong right. And this is the message I proclaim---that the day is coming when God, through Christ Jesus, will judge everyone's secret life.

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    Quote: Originally Posted by HutchEmAll]

    Yeah, I think I'll decide to be gay today.  That might be kind of fun. 

    God's Anger at Sin (Romans: Part of chapters 1 & 2)

    But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness. They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities---his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

    Yes they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.

    So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.

    Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobery their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless and have no mercy. They know God's justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them too.

    God's judgment of Sin

    For a day of anger is coming, when God's righteous judgment will be revealed. He will judge everyone according to what they have done. He will give eternal life to those who keep doing doing good, seeking after glory and honor and immortality that God offers. But he will pour out his anger and wrath on those who live for themselves, who refuse to obey the truth and instead live lives of wickedness. There will be trouble and calamity for everyone who keeps on doing what is evil---for the person first and also for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.

    When the Gentiles sin, they will be destroyed, even though they never had God's written law. And the person, who do have God's law, will be judged by that law when they fail to obey it. For merely listening to the law doesn't make us right with God. It is obeying the law that makes us right in his sight. Even Gentiles, who do not have God's written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it. They demonstrate the God's law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are dong right. And this is the message I proclaim---that the day is coming when God, through Christ Jesus, will judge everyone's secret life.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2011 - 3:35 PM ET #129

    Quote Originally Posted by tlml1899:

     

    So being a pedifile is only wrong because it's illegal according to you,correct?

     

    incorrect.  it is wrong because it's illegal but it's also illegal because it's wrong. 

    however, i refuse to continue in a discussion in which i have to explain why pedophilia is wrong and why sex with children is entirely different than sex between two consenting adults because it seems like if i am having this discussion with someone, i'm having it with a pedophile. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlml1899:

     

    So being a pedifile is only wrong because it's illegal according to you,correct?

     

    incorrect.  it is wrong because it's illegal but it's also illegal because it's wrong. 

    however, i refuse to continue in a discussion in which i have to explain why pedophilia is wrong and why sex with children is entirely different than sex between two consenting adults because it seems like if i am having this discussion with someone, i'm having it with a pedophile. 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2011 - 3:37 PM ET #130

    cacabware "To the dude that obviously supports pedophilia.......since when is a 9 year old a consenting adult? You are comparing a 60 year old man thats rapes a 9 year old to 2 of age homosexuals? Nicccccccccce..........i think out point is why the fuck do you people care so much about who someone wants to fuck? unless of course (which is the case most of the time) your trusty bible or quaran, or whichever other book of outdated fables you weirdos listen to tells you its bad.......really, who the fuck cares?"

     

    I didn't say I support pedophillia , in fact I think they all should be castrated or killed I was just asking a question.

    People are saying being gay ISNT a choice because who would want to go through what a gay person goes through , well why would a pedophile want to spend the rest of his life in jail?  If you're saying a gay person has no choice over who they fall in love with than a pedophile doesn't either .

     

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    cacabware "To the dude that obviously supports pedophilia.......since when is a 9 year old a consenting adult? You are comparing a 60 year old man thats rapes a 9 year old to 2 of age homosexuals? Nicccccccccce..........i think out point is why the fuck do you people care so much about who someone wants to fuck? unless of course (which is the case most of the time) your trusty bible or quaran, or whichever other book of outdated fables you weirdos listen to tells you its bad.......really, who the fuck cares?"

     

    I didn't say I support pedophillia , in fact I think they all should be castrated or killed I was just asking a question.

    People are saying being gay ISNT a choice because who would want to go through what a gay person goes through , well why would a pedophile want to spend the rest of his life in jail?  If you're saying a gay person has no choice over who they fall in love with than a pedophile doesn't either .

     

     
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2011 - 3:39 PM ET #131

    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    incorrect.  it is wrong because it's illegal but it's also illegal because it's wrong. 

    however, i refuse to continue in a discussion in which i have to explain why pedophilia is wrong and why sex with children is entirely different than sex between two consenting adults because it seems like if i am having this discussion with someone, i'm having it with a pedophile. 

    So since sodomy laws weren't struck down till 2003 you were against people being gay before then correct? It was illegal so.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    incorrect.  it is wrong because it's illegal but it's also illegal because it's wrong. 

    however, i refuse to continue in a discussion in which i have to explain why pedophilia is wrong and why sex with children is entirely different than sex between two consenting adults because it seems like if i am having this discussion with someone, i'm having it with a pedophile. 

    So since sodomy laws weren't struck down till 2003 you were against people being gay before then correct? It was illegal so.......

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlml1899:

    So since sodomy laws weren't struck down till 2003 you were against people being gay before then correct? It was illegal so.......

    i don't know why i am doing this. 

    nowhere in this ridiculous thread invaded by idiots did i say anything we've discussed is wrong only because it is illegal.  so why are you asking me this stupid question as if i did?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlml1899:

    So since sodomy laws weren't struck down till 2003 you were against people being gay before then correct? It was illegal so.......

    i don't know why i am doing this. 

    nowhere in this ridiculous thread invaded by idiots did i say anything we've discussed is wrong only because it is illegal.  so why are you asking me this stupid question as if i did?

     
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    and my response to your question is this:  your god

    doesn't consider homosexuality a sin, she didn't

    create homosexuals, and she didn't make murderers,

     child molesters, etc. 


    Um, huh?

    So being a murderer is a choice, but being gay isn't?

    God is female?

    PS, I don't have a God. God isn't "mine" or "yours" like a little doll to be carried around.

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    and my response to your question is this:  your god

    doesn't consider homosexuality a sin, she didn't

    create homosexuals, and she didn't make murderers,

     child molesters, etc. 


    Um, huh?

    So being a murderer is a choice, but being gay isn't?

    God is female?

    PS, I don't have a God. God isn't "mine" or "yours" like a little doll to be carried around.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2011 - 5:07 PM ET #134

    the bible thumper has to reconcile the fact his god

    thinks homosexuality is a sin yet his god made

    homosexuals.  it's bad for business to acknowledge 

    such a basic flaw in the ideology.

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    Except it isn't a flaw.

    God gave mankind free will.

    This isn't complicated, yet you don't understand.


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    the bible thumper has to reconcile the fact his god

    thinks homosexuality is a sin yet his god made

    homosexuals.  it's bad for business to acknowledge 

    such a basic flaw in the ideology.

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    Except it isn't a flaw.

    God gave mankind free will.

    This isn't complicated, yet you don't understand.


     
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2011 - 5:09 PM ET #135

    Only if you're a homophobe or a religious nut.  Well adjusted folks don't give a shit.  

    I love watching you "right thinking" people call names.

    If the "truth" is on your side, why are you reduced to doing that?

    Oh, I know why.

    Never mind...
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    Only if you're a homophobe or a religious nut.  Well adjusted folks don't give a shit.  

    I love watching you "right thinking" people call names.

    If the "truth" is on your side, why are you reduced to doing that?

    Oh, I know why.

    Never mind...
     
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    Well adjusted folks don't give a shit.  

    Given that being gay is abnormal, immoral, and unhealthy, you probably should.

    If you're a gay male you have higher likelyhood of STD, HIV, alcohol & drug abuse, and committing suicide.

    Yes, go on "not giving a shit" bozo.
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    Well adjusted folks don't give a shit.  

    Given that being gay is abnormal, immoral, and unhealthy, you probably should.

    If you're a gay male you have higher likelyhood of STD, HIV, alcohol & drug abuse, and committing suicide.

    Yes, go on "not giving a shit" bozo.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlml1899:

    Of course you wouldn't answer the question so i'll ask again:

    Why would a 60 year old man choose to love a child when he could go to jail?

    If everyone is free to love whomever they want why shouldnt this 60 year old man be able to also?




    I was going to go on a rant about consent, but it seems like others have already mentioned this.
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    Of course you wouldn't answer the question so i'll ask again:

    Why would a 60 year old man choose to love a child when he could go to jail?

    If everyone is free to love whomever they want why shouldnt this 60 year old man be able to also?




    I was going to go on a rant about consent, but it seems like others have already mentioned this.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

    Well adjusted folks don't give a shit.  

    Given that being gay is abnormal, immoral, and unhealthy, you probably should.

    If you're a gay male you have higher likelyhood of STD, HIV, alcohol & drug abuse, and committing suicide.

    Yes, go on "not giving a shit" bozo.


    Just out of curiosity -- did you ever think to yourself why those stats are the way they are? Might it have something to do with the fact that some families are not supportive of a gay child and reject them, therefore killing their support system? That must have crossed your mind at least once or twice, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

    Well adjusted folks don't give a shit.  

    Given that being gay is abnormal, immoral, and unhealthy, you probably should.

    If you're a gay male you have higher likelyhood of STD, HIV, alcohol & drug abuse, and committing suicide.

    Yes, go on "not giving a shit" bozo.


    Just out of curiosity -- did you ever think to yourself why those stats are the way they are? Might it have something to do with the fact that some families are not supportive of a gay child and reject them, therefore killing their support system? That must have crossed your mind at least once or twice, no?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2011 - 5:21 PM ET #139

    LOL.. How did this subject turn into molesting children..?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crowkillers:

    LOL.. How did this subject turn into molesting children..?


    Paging golfandgamble.... paging golfandgamble....


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    LOL.. How did this subject turn into molesting children..?


    Paging golfandgamble.... paging golfandgamble....


     
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    yeah, that's silly, right?  your god, a female.  the notion that an invisibile being in the sky cares about you, watches over you and loves you and hates gays is perfectly normal but that this god might be a female is just ridiculous.  who can think such a thing.  of course it's a he, probably has a penis. 

    of course, free will, there's the loophole.  your god gave us free will and a brain to do or think whatever we want but punishes us with eternal hell if we don't do what she (or is it he) wants yet never actually shows him/herself to tell us what exactly that might be that he/she wants us to do.  makes perfect sense.

    or should we just follow the ten commandments?

    you think being a homosexual is abnormal, immoral and unhealthy.  we think being an ignorant, discriminating, religious wacko is abnormal, immoral and unhealthy.  yet, you don't seem to give a shit about that. 

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    yeah, that's silly, right?  your god, a female.  the notion that an invisibile being in the sky cares about you, watches over you and loves you and hates gays is perfectly normal but that this god might be a female is just ridiculous.  who can think such a thing.  of course it's a he, probably has a penis. 

    of course, free will, there's the loophole.  your god gave us free will and a brain to do or think whatever we want but punishes us with eternal hell if we don't do what she (or is it he) wants yet never actually shows him/herself to tell us what exactly that might be that he/she wants us to do.  makes perfect sense.

    or should we just follow the ten commandments?

    you think being a homosexual is abnormal, immoral and unhealthy.  we think being an ignorant, discriminating, religious wacko is abnormal, immoral and unhealthy.  yet, you don't seem to give a shit about that. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:



    Ever get a boner at a time that wasn't very appropriate?  I have.  There was nothing I could do about it.  Now I could decide whether I wanted to go rub one out (hence the choice part), but I could not decide whether I got that boner. 


    This is an important distinction that must be noted.
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    Ever get a boner at a time that wasn't very appropriate?  I have.  There was nothing I could do about it.  Now I could decide whether I wanted to go rub one out (hence the choice part), but I could not decide whether I got that boner. 


    This is an important distinction that must be noted.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:




    I was going to go on a rant about consent, but it seems like others have already mentioned this.

     

    I'll help you out . Why is 18 considered an adult but 14 isnt,because the law says so ? Those same laws said before 2003 it wasnt ok to be gay so was it not ok before 2003?

     It's a fact hundreds of years ago it was quite common to be married and be having children at 14 so it was perfectly fine for a 30 year old to be sleeping with a 14 year old but now it's not ......why ? Shouldnt that 30 year old be able to love whoever he wants just like a gay man should be able to?

    I'm just asking questions and no one seems to be answering besides "it's illegal" or "it's wrong" well I can just say being gay "is wrong" also .

    There you go , rant away.

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    I was going to go on a rant about consent, but it seems like others have already mentioned this.

     

    I'll help you out . Why is 18 considered an adult but 14 isnt,because the law says so ? Those same laws said before 2003 it wasnt ok to be gay so was it not ok before 2003?

     It's a fact hundreds of years ago it was quite common to be married and be having children at 14 so it was perfectly fine for a 30 year old to be sleeping with a 14 year old but now it's not ......why ? Shouldnt that 30 year old be able to love whoever he wants just like a gay man should be able to?

    I'm just asking questions and no one seems to be answering besides "it's illegal" or "it's wrong" well I can just say being gay "is wrong" also .

    There you go , rant away.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

    Well adjusted folks don't give a shit.  

    Given that being gay is abnormal, immoral, and unhealthy, you probably should.

    If you're a gay male you have higher likelyhood of STD, HIV, alcohol & drug abuse, and committing suicide.

    Yes, go on "not giving a shit" bozo.


    Wow man is this serious?

    Are you that stupid and ignorant?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

    Well adjusted folks don't give a shit.  

    Given that being gay is abnormal, immoral, and unhealthy, you probably should.

    If you're a gay male you have higher likelyhood of STD, HIV, alcohol & drug abuse, and committing suicide.

    Yes, go on "not giving a shit" bozo.


    Wow man is this serious?

    Are you that stupid and ignorant?
     
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    I can't see any child in their teens whose body and mind haven't fully  developed yet having a sexual relationship with a full grown man or woman...

    It's too easy for a grown adult to manipulate a child ot teen and possibly screw them up for life...

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    I can't see any child in their teens whose body and mind haven't fully  developed yet having a sexual relationship with a full grown man or woman...

    It's too easy for a grown adult to manipulate a child ot teen and possibly screw them up for life...

     
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    ***child or teen
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlml1899:

     I'll help you out . Why is 18 considered an adult but 14 isnt,because the law says so ? Those same laws said before 2003 it wasnt ok to be gay so was it not ok before 2003?

     It's a fact hundreds of years ago it was quite common to be married and be having children at 14 so it was perfectly fine for a 30 year old to be sleeping with a 14 year old but now it's not ......why ? Shouldnt that 30 year old be able to love whoever he wants just like a gay man should be able to?

    I'm just asking questions and no one seems to be answering besides "it's illegal" or "it's wrong" well I can just say being gay "is wrong" also .

    There you go , rant away.



    18 is considered an adult because that's where the government has decided to draw the brightline. It's a different brightline in different cultures obviously (and even in different states if I remember correctly), but here in the US, that's the one we have to abide by (I'm assuming you are here in the US, correct me if I am wrong). There's valid, legitimate arguments and debates that can be held as to whether or not that brightline is placed correctly, should be shifted forward, moved back, etc..

    Laws are not automatically just laws because they are laws. Many times laws are misguided and should be amended, and they are. Just because some laws get amended by some states doesn't mean that, from a moral sense (which it seems like you are arguing from), it was right before and now it is wrong. Does the law define morality? Not in my mind.

    It is true that for much of recorded history, it was common to be married and having kids at 14 or to have a 31 year old marry a 14 year old. In large part that had to due with reduced life expectancy at the time, but let's throw that out of the window. With evolution in society and societal norms comes changes in the law and expectations of civilized behavior.

    Should the 30 year old, today, be allowed to love whoever he wants? Absolutely. Should he be allowed to express that love sexually with someone under the age of consent? Our society has said no through the actions of our legislators, right or wrong.
     
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     I'll help you out . Why is 18 considered an adult but 14 isnt,because the law says so ? Those same laws said before 2003 it wasnt ok to be gay so was it not ok before 2003?

     It's a fact hundreds of years ago it was quite common to be married and be having children at 14 so it was perfectly fine for a 30 year old to be sleeping with a 14 year old but now it's not ......why ? Shouldnt that 30 year old be able to love whoever he wants just like a gay man should be able to?

    I'm just asking questions and no one seems to be answering besides "it's illegal" or "it's wrong" well I can just say being gay "is wrong" also .

    There you go , rant away.



    18 is considered an adult because that's where the government has decided to draw the brightline. It's a different brightline in different cultures obviously (and even in different states if I remember correctly), but here in the US, that's the one we have to abide by (I'm assuming you are here in the US, correct me if I am wrong). There's valid, legitimate arguments and debates that can be held as to whether or not that brightline is placed correctly, should be shifted forward, moved back, etc..

    Laws are not automatically just laws because they are laws. Many times laws are misguided and should be amended, and they are. Just because some laws get amended by some states doesn't mean that, from a moral sense (which it seems like you are arguing from), it was right before and now it is wrong. Does the law define morality? Not in my mind.

    It is true that for much of recorded history, it was common to be married and having kids at 14 or to have a 31 year old marry a 14 year old. In large part that had to due with reduced life expectancy at the time, but let's throw that out of the window. With evolution in society and societal norms comes changes in the law and expectations of civilized behavior.

    Should the 30 year old, today, be allowed to love whoever he wants? Absolutely. Should he be allowed to express that love sexually with someone under the age of consent? Our society has said no through the actions of our legislators, right or wrong.
     
     
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    By having a cutoff age of 18 that pretty much sets the age when kids are finished maturing... 14 is a pretty shaky age... Especially for boys..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crowkillers:

    By having a cutoff age of 18 that pretty much sets the age when kids are finished maturing... 14 is a pretty shaky age... Especially for boys..


    There is something to be said for choosing 18 as a brightline in terms of physical development, although over the years apparently studies are showing kids developing physically earlier and earlier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crowkillers:

    By having a cutoff age of 18 that pretty much sets the age when kids are finished maturing... 14 is a pretty shaky age... Especially for boys..


    There is something to be said for choosing 18 as a brightline in terms of physical development, although over the years apparently studies are showing kids developing physically earlier and earlier.
     
     
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    Unfortunetly andy, all these dudes are serious......and as many times as i encounter the fools, it still amazes me that humans can still think this way in 2011.......just crazy how peoples minds process.....cheers monkeys
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    Unfortunetly andy, all these dudes are serious......and as many times as i encounter the fools, it still amazes me that humans can still think this way in 2011.......just crazy how peoples minds process.....cheers monkeys
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