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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2011 - 8:23 PM ET #101

    Quote Originally Posted by cacabware:

     

    I guess a "liberal" is defined as a person that shows compassion towards other human beings, duly noted

     

    sorry moron, I don't define myself by your liberal/conservative bullshit............. 

    You should visit Seattle. That might change your perception a little.

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    I guess a "liberal" is defined as a person that shows compassion towards other human beings, duly noted

     

    sorry moron, I don't define myself by your liberal/conservative bullshit............. 

    You should visit Seattle. That might change your perception a little.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2011 - 8:23 PM ET #102

    Quote Originally Posted by cacabware:

     

    i have a nice little losing streak brewing in baseball,,,,,,,,id appreciate you ending this for me..........thanks og



      alright ill do my best.  Try not to sin for a while...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cacabware:

     

    i have a nice little losing streak brewing in baseball,,,,,,,,id appreciate you ending this for me..........thanks og



      alright ill do my best.  Try not to sin for a while...
     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2011 - 8:42 PM ET #103

    Where is Brother Love when you need him
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2011 - 9:18 PM ET #104

    Quote Originally Posted by neocon:

    its a choice. I know all u liberals will bash and just call people with my views names because that's all u got.

    u just call people bigots and say u are right. one day u will all see the truth whether u like it or not.

    being gay is unnatural and wrong, period!!

    Another member of Westboro Baptist? 
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    Quote Originally Posted by neocon:

    its a choice. I know all u liberals will bash and just call people with my views names because that's all u got.

    u just call people bigots and say u are right. one day u will all see the truth whether u like it or not.

    being gay is unnatural and wrong, period!!

    Another member of Westboro Baptist? 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2011 - 9:51 PM ET #105

    Quote Originally Posted by Messier-11:

    Takes balls to be gay


    And i stretched out a-hole. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Messier-11:

    Takes balls to be gay


    And i stretched out a-hole. 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2011 - 10:50 PM ET #106

    Quote Originally Posted by HoldEm00:

    Man,  i associate with gay people on a daily basis, and im willing to bet (we are on covers you know) that i work and associate with gays and lesbians much more than anyone in this thread.

    Thats on them and whatever makes them happy.Its just not for me.    I just dont think you or any news station should be concerned with how people raise their kids.  If they want to raise them whatever way they want to they can........ this is the USA, not Soviet Russia.

    This thread is laughable

     



    Seriously, you are one sick guy.  Punish your kids for being a sissy?  Really?  Can't we just let people be what and who they are?  Sad part of it all is, you can't even see it, you are so brain-washed in thinking this way.  My guess is you were indoctrinated from your family.  Unfortunately, I used to have this mentality too, 30 years ago.  Punish your kids for being sissies?  Spanking them for it?  All you will do it push this feeling deeper inside them, and make them even more messed up (besides having a father like yourself).  They aren't going to really change because you spank and punish them for being "gay", or your euphemism "sissies".   I am not the perfect father, but I would have supported them positively if they had or would be gay.  Why all the hate for gays?  Why hate at all?  You say you are 28, time to grow up and rid yourself of your inbred prejudices.  GL  
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoldEm00:

    Man,  i associate with gay people on a daily basis, and im willing to bet (we are on covers you know) that i work and associate with gays and lesbians much more than anyone in this thread.

    Thats on them and whatever makes them happy.Its just not for me.    I just dont think you or any news station should be concerned with how people raise their kids.  If they want to raise them whatever way they want to they can........ this is the USA, not Soviet Russia.

    This thread is laughable

     



    Seriously, you are one sick guy.  Punish your kids for being a sissy?  Really?  Can't we just let people be what and who they are?  Sad part of it all is, you can't even see it, you are so brain-washed in thinking this way.  My guess is you were indoctrinated from your family.  Unfortunately, I used to have this mentality too, 30 years ago.  Punish your kids for being sissies?  Spanking them for it?  All you will do it push this feeling deeper inside them, and make them even more messed up (besides having a father like yourself).  They aren't going to really change because you spank and punish them for being "gay", or your euphemism "sissies".   I am not the perfect father, but I would have supported them positively if they had or would be gay.  Why all the hate for gays?  Why hate at all?  You say you are 28, time to grow up and rid yourself of your inbred prejudices.  GL  
     
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2011 - 12:28 AM ET #107

    Alright, just saw this thread and need to chime in.

    FIRST of all, there are plenty of gay men who aren't "sissy"  I know this because I am one of em, and have dated only those similar to me. 

    * If you think it is a choice, ask your why ANYONE would ever choose to live a lifestyle that brings on so many difficult and hurtful situations.  It ain't easy, not by a long shot.

    *If you are closeminded enough to think that since you hate gays or "beat the gay" out of your children, maybe it's just because they know they would be disowned that they would be too scared to ever tell you their true orientation.

    *I was raised in a family where I played sports my whole life, including a varsity sport at a large university.  My family has coached athletics my whole life and I have grown up around football teams my dad coached since I was 6 years old.  Imagine growing up in that environment and eventually figuring out you aren't interested in bagging cheerleaders like every other dude ur around. 

    *It also isn't easy to meet guys similar to me and i've battled depression because of it.  Not easy at all and I've dated several D1 basketball players but couldn't continue it b/c of scrutiny they would come under for being outed.


    So yeah, please just remember..... why would anyone choose that difficult lifestyle?  And the way you raise your kids doesn't make them not gay, it just makes their life absolute shit b/c they are too scared to death of being disowned for being themselves.

    Finally remember, not all gay men are flaming dudes with tight pants..... I have 1000x more in common with the avg straight guy than those types, so you NEVER know who is gay b/c half the time the masculine ones are too afraid to be themselves b/c of how closeminded some people are.
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    Alright, just saw this thread and need to chime in.

    FIRST of all, there are plenty of gay men who aren't "sissy"  I know this because I am one of em, and have dated only those similar to me. 

    * If you think it is a choice, ask your why ANYONE would ever choose to live a lifestyle that brings on so many difficult and hurtful situations.  It ain't easy, not by a long shot.

    *If you are closeminded enough to think that since you hate gays or "beat the gay" out of your children, maybe it's just because they know they would be disowned that they would be too scared to ever tell you their true orientation.

    *I was raised in a family where I played sports my whole life, including a varsity sport at a large university.  My family has coached athletics my whole life and I have grown up around football teams my dad coached since I was 6 years old.  Imagine growing up in that environment and eventually figuring out you aren't interested in bagging cheerleaders like every other dude ur around. 

    *It also isn't easy to meet guys similar to me and i've battled depression because of it.  Not easy at all and I've dated several D1 basketball players but couldn't continue it b/c of scrutiny they would come under for being outed.


    So yeah, please just remember..... why would anyone choose that difficult lifestyle?  And the way you raise your kids doesn't make them not gay, it just makes their life absolute shit b/c they are too scared to death of being disowned for being themselves.

    Finally remember, not all gay men are flaming dudes with tight pants..... I have 1000x more in common with the avg straight guy than those types, so you NEVER know who is gay b/c half the time the masculine ones are too afraid to be themselves b/c of how closeminded some people are.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2011 - 10:24 AM ET #108

    Quote Originally Posted by Caca_is_a_homo:

    Dear Lovely Covers Members,

    I can't hide it any longer. My name is Cacabware and I'm a homosexual. 

    I think about men every day, especially sweaty muscular men.  My fantasy with a hot, sweaty hunk is too explicit to reveal, so I'll leave it as that.

    Please don't judge me for who I am.  So what If love to suck a man's penis or stick my penis inside his butthole?  I don't judge you guys when you're thinking about doing naughty things to a chick, so why should it be any different?

    I'm so glad I came out.  I feel so free and horny right now.

    I would love to meet some of you cute guys in person..  As for you penzfan, I would really like to know you better.  Please feel free to drop me a pm.  Well, I gotta go.   Later cutiepies.

    Love,

    Caca

    xoxoxoxo


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    Quote Originally Posted by Caca_is_a_homo:

    Dear Lovely Covers Members,

    I can't hide it any longer. My name is Cacabware and I'm a homosexual. 

    I think about men every day, especially sweaty muscular men.  My fantasy with a hot, sweaty hunk is too explicit to reveal, so I'll leave it as that.

    Please don't judge me for who I am.  So what If love to suck a man's penis or stick my penis inside his butthole?  I don't judge you guys when you're thinking about doing naughty things to a chick, so why should it be any different?

    I'm so glad I came out.  I feel so free and horny right now.

    I would love to meet some of you cute guys in person..  As for you penzfan, I would really like to know you better.  Please feel free to drop me a pm.  Well, I gotta go.   Later cutiepies.

    Love,

    Caca

    xoxoxoxo


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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2011 - 12:13 PM ET #109

    If you are closeminded enough to think that since you hate gays or "beat the gay" out of your children, maybe it's just because they know they would be disowned that they would be too scared to ever tell you their true orientation.

    i'm guessing that if one of holdem's kids was gay, he wouldn't keep it hidden for fear of being disowned.  that kid ain't inheriting anything but an overdue bill at the dollar tree.

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    If you are closeminded enough to think that since you hate gays or "beat the gay" out of your children, maybe it's just because they know they would be disowned that they would be too scared to ever tell you their true orientation.

    i'm guessing that if one of holdem's kids was gay, he wouldn't keep it hidden for fear of being disowned.  that kid ain't inheriting anything but an overdue bill at the dollar tree.

     
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    It's funny how some people who aren't gay say it is a choice.  Like they have any personal experience.  I prefer to take the word of a person who actually is gay and mix that in with the evidence I see with my own eyes.

    I was out at Happy Hour with a co-worker who was gay (and a few others....guys and gals).  We were getting a little oiled up and the discussion got around to homosexuality.  So anyway, the gay guy is open and honest and he asks all the guys, "Does the though of sucking a dick disgust you?"  Everyone nods their heads.  He says, "Well, it makes me horny and gives me a hard on."  Then he proceeded to tell everyone that the same thought of disgust that we have when we consider the act of sucking cock is the same feelings he has when thinking about licking a box.

    Yeah, I think I'll decide to be gay today.  That might be kind of fun. 

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    It's funny how some people who aren't gay say it is a choice.  Like they have any personal experience.  I prefer to take the word of a person who actually is gay and mix that in with the evidence I see with my own eyes.

    I was out at Happy Hour with a co-worker who was gay (and a few others....guys and gals).  We were getting a little oiled up and the discussion got around to homosexuality.  So anyway, the gay guy is open and honest and he asks all the guys, "Does the though of sucking a dick disgust you?"  Everyone nods their heads.  He says, "Well, it makes me horny and gives me a hard on."  Then he proceeded to tell everyone that the same thought of disgust that we have when we consider the act of sucking cock is the same feelings he has when thinking about licking a box.

    Yeah, I think I'll decide to be gay today.  That might be kind of fun. 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2011 - 1:11 PM ET #111

    being gay is unnatural and wrong, period!!
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    Only if you're a homophobe or a religious nut.  Well adjusted folks don't give a shit.   

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    being gay is unnatural and wrong, period!!
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2011 - 1:13 PM ET #112

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    FAIL. Grow up loser.

     

    I've always wanted an alias dedicated to me..............  

     

    i would have never seen it if you didn't quote it for me system............ 

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    FAIL. Grow up loser.

     

    I've always wanted an alias dedicated to me..............  

     

    i would have never seen it if you didn't quote it for me system............ 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2011 - 1:19 PM ET #113

    Quote Originally Posted by penzfan17:

    Alright, just saw this thread and need to chime in.

    FIRST of all, there are plenty of gay men who aren't "sissy"  I know this because I am one of em, and have dated only those similar to me. 

    * If you think it is a choice, ask your why ANYONE would ever choose to live a lifestyle that brings on so many difficult and hurtful situations.  It ain't easy, not by a long shot.

    *If you are closeminded enough to think that since you hate gays or "beat the gay" out of your children, maybe it's just because they know they would be disowned that they would be too scared to ever tell you their true orientation.

    *I was raised in a family where I played sports my whole life, including a varsity sport at a large university.  My family has coached athletics my whole life and I have grown up around football teams my dad coached since I was 6 years old.  Imagine growing up in that environment and eventually figuring out you aren't interested in bagging cheerleaders like every other dude ur around. 

    *It also isn't easy to meet guys similar to me and i've battled depression because of it.  Not easy at all and I've dated several D1 basketball players but couldn't continue it b/c of scrutiny they would come under for being outed.


    So yeah, please just remember..... why would anyone choose that difficult lifestyle?  And the way you raise your kids doesn't make them not gay, it just makes their life absolute shit b/c they are too scared to death of being disowned for being themselves.

    Finally remember, not all gay men are flaming dudes with tight pants..... I have 1000x more in common with the avg straight guy than those types, so you NEVER know who is gay b/c half the time the masculine ones are too afraid to be themselves b/c of how closeminded some people are.



    Penzfan sounds similar to my best friend in High School who came out of the closet to me our Senior year of HS -- mind you, we were at a Catholic HS as well so it was a tough thing for him to do. Everyone kinda always suspected he was gay, but he was hooking up with some fine women during this time frame (probably just still working out his own sexuality if you ask me). Anyways, my friend is the same way as Penzfan -- normal dude, plays sports and video games, etc.. Definitely not the effeminate type (hates the flamboyant gay guys) and you would have no idea he was gay unless you knew him.
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    Alright, just saw this thread and need to chime in.

    FIRST of all, there are plenty of gay men who aren't "sissy"  I know this because I am one of em, and have dated only those similar to me. 

    * If you think it is a choice, ask your why ANYONE would ever choose to live a lifestyle that brings on so many difficult and hurtful situations.  It ain't easy, not by a long shot.

    *If you are closeminded enough to think that since you hate gays or "beat the gay" out of your children, maybe it's just because they know they would be disowned that they would be too scared to ever tell you their true orientation.

    *I was raised in a family where I played sports my whole life, including a varsity sport at a large university.  My family has coached athletics my whole life and I have grown up around football teams my dad coached since I was 6 years old.  Imagine growing up in that environment and eventually figuring out you aren't interested in bagging cheerleaders like every other dude ur around. 

    *It also isn't easy to meet guys similar to me and i've battled depression because of it.  Not easy at all and I've dated several D1 basketball players but couldn't continue it b/c of scrutiny they would come under for being outed.


    So yeah, please just remember..... why would anyone choose that difficult lifestyle?  And the way you raise your kids doesn't make them not gay, it just makes their life absolute shit b/c they are too scared to death of being disowned for being themselves.

    Finally remember, not all gay men are flaming dudes with tight pants..... I have 1000x more in common with the avg straight guy than those types, so you NEVER know who is gay b/c half the time the masculine ones are too afraid to be themselves b/c of how closeminded some people are.



    Penzfan sounds similar to my best friend in High School who came out of the closet to me our Senior year of HS -- mind you, we were at a Catholic HS as well so it was a tough thing for him to do. Everyone kinda always suspected he was gay, but he was hooking up with some fine women during this time frame (probably just still working out his own sexuality if you ask me). Anyways, my friend is the same way as Penzfan -- normal dude, plays sports and video games, etc.. Definitely not the effeminate type (hates the flamboyant gay guys) and you would have no idea he was gay unless you knew him.
     
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    So.... if if are all free to love whomever we want and love/attraction isnt a choice then none of you are against a 60 year old man having sex with a 9 year old girl , correct?

    The 60 year old man that wants to have sex with a 9 year old had to be born this way correct? I mean why would anyone choose to have sex with someone that they would go to jail for?

    Shouldnt this 60 year old man be free to love whomever he wishes ?

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    So.... if if are all free to love whomever we want and love/attraction isnt a choice then none of you are against a 60 year old man having sex with a 9 year old girl , correct?

    The 60 year old man that wants to have sex with a 9 year old had to be born this way correct? I mean why would anyone choose to have sex with someone that they would go to jail for?

    Shouldnt this 60 year old man be free to love whomever he wishes ?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlml1899:

    So.... if if are all free to love whomever we want and love/attraction isnt a choice then none of you are against a 60 year old man having sex with a 9 year old girl , correct?

    The 60 year old man that wants to have sex with a 9 year old had to be born this way correct? I mean why would anyone choose to have sex with someone that they would go to jail for?

    Shouldnt this 60 year old man be free to love whomever he wishes ?

    usually it takes fewer than 114 posts for some moron to make a ridiculously stupid comment failing to distinguish the difference between sexual relations between sexual aduls and adults and young children. 

    but we knew it was coming eventually. 

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    So.... if if are all free to love whomever we want and love/attraction isnt a choice then none of you are against a 60 year old man having sex with a 9 year old girl , correct?

    The 60 year old man that wants to have sex with a 9 year old had to be born this way correct? I mean why would anyone choose to have sex with someone that they would go to jail for?

    Shouldnt this 60 year old man be free to love whomever he wishes ?

    usually it takes fewer than 114 posts for some moron to make a ridiculously stupid comment failing to distinguish the difference between sexual relations between sexual aduls and adults and young children. 

    but we knew it was coming eventually. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    usually it takes fewer than 114 posts for some moron to make a ridiculously stupid comment failing to distinguish the difference between sexual relations between sexual aduls and adults and young children. 

    but we knew it was coming eventually. 

    Of course you wouldn't answer the question so i'll ask again:

    Why would a 60 year old man choose to love a child when he could go to jail?

    If everyone is free to love whomever they want why shouldnt this 60 year old man be able to also?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    usually it takes fewer than 114 posts for some moron to make a ridiculously stupid comment failing to distinguish the difference between sexual relations between sexual aduls and adults and young children. 

    but we knew it was coming eventually. 

    Of course you wouldn't answer the question so i'll ask again:

    Why would a 60 year old man choose to love a child when he could go to jail?

    If everyone is free to love whomever they want why shouldnt this 60 year old man be able to also?

     
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    I'm not sure if people are born heterosexual or homosexual. When I was a kid the only two things I wanted was candy and toys. It wasn't until probably my pre-teen years (10-12yrs old) when I started becoming interested in girls.
    My personal opinion is a person is not born that way. I cannot prove or disprove that. Some doctors may say they found a chromosome in someone's brain that proves they are born gay. Any doctor looking for something that is not tangible, that's right, TANGIBLE, will find it if he/she is looking for it. Am I supposed to believe a doctor with an agenda has proved something scientifically.
    This is scientific fact: A homosexual man has the same biological makeup to impregnate a woman that a heterosexual man does. HE HAS SPERM. That is scientific fact.
    I look at the feminine voice and appearance the same way I look at accents. They are influenced by the exterior environment. Remember Damon Wayans and Daivd Alan Grier on doing the skit "Men on Film" during the show In Living Colour? Anyone can make their voice high and act feminine if they want to.
    There is one thing I always thought about when reading or talking about this subject: Has a person born blind ever been gay? If my theory is correct whatever environment attracts young boys to become gay would be lost on a boy who is blind. If it is biological then being born blind, or losing one's sight at a young age, would have no effect.
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    I'm not sure if people are born heterosexual or homosexual. When I was a kid the only two things I wanted was candy and toys. It wasn't until probably my pre-teen years (10-12yrs old) when I started becoming interested in girls.
    My personal opinion is a person is not born that way. I cannot prove or disprove that. Some doctors may say they found a chromosome in someone's brain that proves they are born gay. Any doctor looking for something that is not tangible, that's right, TANGIBLE, will find it if he/she is looking for it. Am I supposed to believe a doctor with an agenda has proved something scientifically.
    This is scientific fact: A homosexual man has the same biological makeup to impregnate a woman that a heterosexual man does. HE HAS SPERM. That is scientific fact.
    I look at the feminine voice and appearance the same way I look at accents. They are influenced by the exterior environment. Remember Damon Wayans and Daivd Alan Grier on doing the skit "Men on Film" during the show In Living Colour? Anyone can make their voice high and act feminine if they want to.
    There is one thing I always thought about when reading or talking about this subject: Has a person born blind ever been gay? If my theory is correct whatever environment attracts young boys to become gay would be lost on a boy who is blind. If it is biological then being born blind, or losing one's sight at a young age, would have no effect.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2011 - 2:45 PM ET #118

    A man wanting to have sex with another man is not biological. It is a choice.

    A man wanting to have sex with a woman is not biological. It is a choice.

    A man having sex with a woman and impregnating her is biological.
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    A man wanting to have sex with another man is not biological. It is a choice.

    A man wanting to have sex with a woman is not biological. It is a choice.

    A man having sex with a woman and impregnating her is biological.
     
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    tlm, i did answer the question.  it's a 2 part answer:

    1) you're a moron, and

    2) illegal sexual conduct involving an adult and a child

    has nothing to do with relations between

    two consenting adfults that are perfectly legal.

    as for your new question, how the fuck would

    i know why an old man would want to have

    sex with a child.  perhaps it's an uncontrollable urge

    they can't fight.

    why does catholic priest

    after catholic priest molest little kids? 

    who knows.  they are fucked in the head. 

    why do the pope and others among him

    cover these numerous incidents up?  they are bad for business. 

     but again, this is a criminology question, unrelated to two

    consenting adults entering into a relationship

    voluntarily, that for some reason gets the insecure,

    bible thumping frreaks all bent out of shape.

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    tlm, i did answer the question.  it's a 2 part answer:

    1) you're a moron, and

    2) illegal sexual conduct involving an adult and a child

    has nothing to do with relations between

    two consenting adfults that are perfectly legal.

    as for your new question, how the fuck would

    i know why an old man would want to have

    sex with a child.  perhaps it's an uncontrollable urge

    they can't fight.

    why does catholic priest

    after catholic priest molest little kids? 

    who knows.  they are fucked in the head. 

    why do the pope and others among him

    cover these numerous incidents up?  they are bad for business. 

     but again, this is a criminology question, unrelated to two

    consenting adults entering into a relationship

    voluntarily, that for some reason gets the insecure,

    bible thumping frreaks all bent out of shape.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2011 - 2:59 PM ET #120

    that's the whole point.

    What point?

    Notice you didn't respond to the question.

    Want to take a guess as to why that is?
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    that's the whole point.

    What point?

    Notice you didn't respond to the question.

    Want to take a guess as to why that is?
     
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    It's funny how some people who aren't gay say it is a choice.

    It's funny how some people who aren't gay say it isn't a choice.
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    It's funny how some people who aren't gay say it is a choice.

    It's funny how some people who aren't gay say it isn't a choice.
     
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by HutchEmAll]

    Yeah, I think I'll decide to be gay today.  That might be kind of fun. 

     

    God's Anger at Sin (Romans: Part of chapters 1 & 2)

    But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness. They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities---his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

    Yes they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.

    So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.

    Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobery their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless and have no mercy. They know God's justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them too.

    God's judgment of Sin

    For a day of anger is coming, when God's righteous judgment will be revealed. He will judge everyone according to what they have done. He will give eternal life to those who keep doing doing good, seeking after glory and honor and immortality that God offers. But he will pour out his anger and wrath on those who live for themselves, who refuse to obey the truth and instead live lives of wickedness. There will be trouble and calamity for everyone who keeps on doing what is evil---for the person first and also for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.

    When the Gentiles sin, they will be destroyed, even though they never had God's written law. And the person, who do have God's law, will be judged by that law when they fail to obey it. For merely listening to the law doesn't make us right with God. It is obeying the law that makes us right in his sight. Even Gentiles, who do not have God's written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it. They demonstrate the God's law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are dong right. And this is the message I proclaim---that the day is coming when God, through Christ Jesus, will judge everyone's secret life.

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    Yeah, I think I'll decide to be gay today.  That might be kind of fun. 

     

    God's Anger at Sin (Romans: Part of chapters 1 & 2)

    But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness. They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities---his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

    Yes they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.

    So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.

    Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobery their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless and have no mercy. They know God's justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them too.

    God's judgment of Sin

    For a day of anger is coming, when God's righteous judgment will be revealed. He will judge everyone according to what they have done. He will give eternal life to those who keep doing doing good, seeking after glory and honor and immortality that God offers. But he will pour out his anger and wrath on those who live for themselves, who refuse to obey the truth and instead live lives of wickedness. There will be trouble and calamity for everyone who keeps on doing what is evil---for the person first and also for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.

    When the Gentiles sin, they will be destroyed, even though they never had God's written law. And the person, who do have God's law, will be judged by that law when they fail to obey it. For merely listening to the law doesn't make us right with God. It is obeying the law that makes us right in his sight. Even Gentiles, who do not have God's written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it. They demonstrate the God's law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are dong right. And this is the message I proclaim---that the day is coming when God, through Christ Jesus, will judge everyone's secret life.

     
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    A man wanting to have sex with another man is not biological. It is a choice.

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    WRONG.  The first time I seriously kissed a girl was when I was in 6th grade.  First game of spin the bottle.  I had no URGE whatsoever to make out with any of the guys in the game.....I had a raging hard on when I thought about making out with the other girls in the game.  Yeah, it was a choice for me to play the game and kiss the other girls.  But that choice was based on an innate attraction to females and a BIOLOGICAL reaction to thinking about that and being around them.

    Making an actual choice and having certain feelings are two different animals entirely. 

    Ever get a boner at a time that wasn't very appropriate?  I have.  There was nothing I could do about it.  Now I could decide whether I wanted to go rub one out (hence the choice part), but I could not decide whether I got that boner. 

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    WRONG.  The first time I seriously kissed a girl was when I was in 6th grade.  First game of spin the bottle.  I had no URGE whatsoever to make out with any of the guys in the game.....I had a raging hard on when I thought about making out with the other girls in the game.  Yeah, it was a choice for me to play the game and kiss the other girls.  But that choice was based on an innate attraction to females and a BIOLOGICAL reaction to thinking about that and being around them.

    Making an actual choice and having certain feelings are two different animals entirely. 

    Ever get a boner at a time that wasn't very appropriate?  I have.  There was nothing I could do about it.  Now I could decide whether I wanted to go rub one out (hence the choice part), but I could not decide whether I got that boner. 

     
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    14daroad, the point required a little thinking. 

    not much, but a little.  too much apparently. 

    the point to my response to the christian nut conundrum

    and my response to your question is this:  your god

    doesn't consider homosexuality a sin, she didn't

    create homosexuals, and she didn't make murderers,

     child molesters, etc. 

    in other words, your version of a god that thinks

    about and declares what is a sin and what isn't

    and makes people a certain way is childish

    and ridiculous. 

    the bible thumper has to reconcile the fact his god

    thinks homosexuality is a sin yet his god made

    homosexuals.  it's bad for business to acknowledge 

    such a basic flaw in the ideology.   the way the christian

    nut does this is by convincing himself that they

    choose to be homosexual.  that way, his perfect

    god creation can't be flawed and the business model

    remains intact.  my point is that this is obviously

    flawed reasoning and contrary to all evidence and

    what any homosexual will tell you.  see pen's post above

     as an example.  whatever the explanation is for why

    people are they way they are, you can remove

    your idiotic and childishly warped religious perception

    and god theory from the picture.  but again, that

    doesn't make any money for the various religions

    so it's not popular among that group. 

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    14daroad, the point required a little thinking. 

    not much, but a little.  too much apparently. 

    the point to my response to the christian nut conundrum

    and my response to your question is this:  your god

    doesn't consider homosexuality a sin, she didn't

    create homosexuals, and she didn't make murderers,

     child molesters, etc. 

    in other words, your version of a god that thinks

    about and declares what is a sin and what isn't

    and makes people a certain way is childish

    and ridiculous. 

    the bible thumper has to reconcile the fact his god

    thinks homosexuality is a sin yet his god made

    homosexuals.  it's bad for business to acknowledge 

    such a basic flaw in the ideology.   the way the christian

    nut does this is by convincing himself that they

    choose to be homosexual.  that way, his perfect

    god creation can't be flawed and the business model

    remains intact.  my point is that this is obviously

    flawed reasoning and contrary to all evidence and

    what any homosexual will tell you.  see pen's post above

     as an example.  whatever the explanation is for why

    people are they way they are, you can remove

    your idiotic and childishly warped religious perception

    and god theory from the picture.  but again, that

    doesn't make any money for the various religions

    so it's not popular among that group. 

     
     
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    To the dude that obviously supports pedophilia.......since when is a 9 year old a consenting adult? You are comparing a 60 year old man thats rapes a 9 year old to 2 of age homosexuals? Nicccccccccce..........i think out point is why the fuck do you people care so much about who someone wants to fuck? unless of course (which is the case most of the time) your trusty bible or quaran, or whichever other book of outdated fables you weirdos listen to tells you its bad.......really, who the fuck cares?
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    To the dude that obviously supports pedophilia.......since when is a 9 year old a consenting adult? You are comparing a 60 year old man thats rapes a 9 year old to 2 of age homosexuals? Nicccccccccce..........i think out point is why the fuck do you people care so much about who someone wants to fuck? unless of course (which is the case most of the time) your trusty bible or quaran, or whichever other book of outdated fables you weirdos listen to tells you its bad.......really, who the fuck cares?
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