For anyone who thinks sexual orientation is a choice

Physically yes, it does seem that way, but not mentally...

I also think the legal driving age should be 18... Far too many deaths by young kids who get licenses but don't have the mind skills of how to drive...

There have been some excellent studies I remember reading back in college about the inverse correlation between risk taking and age starting in adolescence. Makes sense.

 

Very good answer

That's all I was looking for is someone to answer besides saying "it's illegal" or "wrong"

Until a few years ago I worked in a rehabilitation field and dealt with pedophiles everyday,pedophilia 100% discusts me and I'll be honest I wish someone would just eliminate them off the earth  .

I was  just looking someone to answer why it is ok for one person to be free to love whomever they wish but not another person and you did that perfectly . Truth be told I'm almost 30 and I can't even look at an 18 or 19 year old without thinking "she'd just a kid"

I didnt have to agree with pedophilia to ask the question I was just looking for an answer to a question.

Nice job sir

*disgusts not discusts

you think being a homosexual is abnormal, immoral and unhealthy.

Those are facts, not opinion.

your god gave us free will

I don't have a God. Your continued use of this phrase demonstrates an intellectual incoherence that is staggering.

yet never actually shows him/herself to tell us what exactly that might be that he/she wants us to do.



I guess you've never familiarized yourself with a bible...

t still amazes me that humans can still think this way in 2011

Think what way?

Being gay is not normal, nor is it beneficial to the survival of the human species.

So what exactly are you talking about?

Well by facts do you mean like, objective facts? Cause I don't see how you can objectively "prove" issues of morality. 

And what defines normal -- whether or not such behavior is seen in other species or elsewhere in the animal world? A specific society or group?

As for unhealthy, apparently you've never heard of the gym referred to as "gay church"

I don't see how you can objectively "prove" issues of morality.

Uh, I can reference the bible.

The same one that says theft and murder are immoral.

And what defines normal

Websters:
conforming to a type, standard, or regular pattern

98% of adults are not gay. Being gay is abnormal.
That is a fact.

As for unhealthy, apparently you've never heard of

Um, gay males intentionally try and catch HIV.

Gays have higher incidences of STD’s, HIV, eating disorders, drug and alcohol abuse, and suicide than heterosexuals. Period.

there's so much to work with in your last few posts but you used some big words there so i'm going to ask you to explain what is staggeringly and intellectually incoherent about my comment about your god.  do you not have a god in which you believe?  i could have sworn you've referenced this god in your previous posts.

14 --

Uh, I can reference the bible.

The same one that says theft and murder are immoral.

You do realize that while you can reference the Bible as an objective "proof" of morality, there are multiple other books of worship that could also be considered objective "proof" of morality for its religious followers?


98% of adults are not gay. Being gay is abnormal.
That is a fact.

Where are you getting that statistic? And your definition sucks because gay people are conforming to a type, standard, or regular pattern.



Um, gay males intentionally try and catch HIV.

Gays have higher incidences of STD’s, HIV, eating disorders, drug and alcohol abuse, and suicide than heterosexuals. Period.

I've heard of bug catchers -- strange how they seem to willingly seek out danger by engaging in risky behaviors. Are you arguing that heterosexuals do not engage in likewise risky behavior?

Also, let's just assume you are right and they have higher incidents of those things. You never answered my question posted earlier as to why gay people have those higher instances. The key inquiry for you: is it because they are gay (or "choose" to be gay in your mind), or is it because they likely face stigmatization by family, culture, society, etc. for choosing to be gay?

Do you understand why that is an important distinction?

Interesting:

An epidemiological study from Vancouver, Canada of data tabulated between 1987 and 1992 for AIDS-related deaths reveals that male homosexual or bisexual practitioners lost up to 20 years of life expectancy. The study concluded that if 3 percent of the population studied were gay or bisexual, the probability of a 20-year-old gay or bisexual man living to 65 years was only 32 percent, compared to 78 percent for men in general.

-----------
Yes, being gay is unhealthy.

By the way, I would love to cross poll those saying being gay is innate to see how they feel about evolution and natural selection.

I'm guessing they believe in evolution, but it would be comical to have them explain why then people would be born gay....

You do realize that while you can reference the Bible as an objective "proof" of morality, there are multiple other books of worship that could also be considered objective "proof" of morality for its religious followers?

Where does the moral guidance for the majority of Western Civilization come from?

Don't worry, we all know the answer.

Where are you getting that statistic?

Um, here.

And your definition sucks because gay people are conforming to a type, standard, or regular pattern.

Actually, they're not.
But keep trying.

the key inquiry for you: is it because they are gay (or "choose" to be gay in your mind), or is it because they likely face stigmatization by family, culture, society, etc. for choosing to be gay?

Given the popular culture acceptance of being gay and the continued push to anoint it as innate, I fail to see this stigmatization.

I mean, the schools are teaching that being gay is normal & healthy (it is not).

I struggle to see how one must "cope" with being gay when it is so celebrated in the culture.

Is that study really a surprise at all? It was still largely a disease that effected the gay community during the time studied. You want to know who the largest group is that are being infected at the highest rates currently? Straight black females. For real.

How about Eastern Civilization, do they not count?

From the link: "Gates' best estimate, derived from five studies that have asked subjects about their sexual orientation, is that the nation has about 4 million adults who identify as being gay or lesbian, representing 1.7 percent of the 18-and-over population"

Surely you understand that's not the same thing as actually being gay, right?

I've realized this arguing is pointless.

14, good luck sir, have a good weekend

How about Eastern Civilization, do they not count?

Sure, want to take a stab at what the Koran says about being gay?

Either way, you don't live in Eastern civilization and you are dodging the question because you don't have an answer.

Surely you understand that's not the same thing as actually being gay, right?

Huh?

So how about this.

What is funny is that every study that has been conducted on the matter has been consistent.

Either way, being gay is abnormal. I realize it isn't what you want to hear, but it is a fact.

It was still largely a disease that effected the gay community during the time studied.

HIV is a disease that is overwhelmingly transmitted from gay sex.

Note:
Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM)¹ represent approximately 2% of the US population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV and are the only risk group in which new HIV infections have been increasing steadily since the early 1990s.
...
In 2007, MSM were 44 to 86 times as likely to be diagnosed with HIV compared with other men, and 40 to 77 times as likely as women.

-----------

I think you should tell the CDC that you understand that's not the same thing as actually being gay, right?

You used religion in your argument yet a HUGE percentage of those in the priesthood ARE in fact Gay.  Even worse, a huge majority of them are pedophiles. 

But no, you MUST be right that religion is always correct

a HUGE percentage of those in the priesthood ARE in fact Gay.

Well, I don't know about that. And frankly, neither do you.

you MUST be right that religion is always correct

Huh?

If a priest is practicing gay sex, that doesn't mean it isn't immoral.

Kind of like if a cop robs a bank, it is still illegal...

My question is, if a person is born gay,that would make it genetic. Shouldn't they be extinct ? How do guys pass on their genes ? All their children are adopted.

I never thought about if I like women or decided one day I like women, I just do.  Not sure the disconnect some have on why someone gay would have the same disposition when it comes to sexual orientation

There's a big difference between a brain lapse and being just being dumb ......obviously you're too stupid to tell the difference

Now those are pretty much your words.  Don't tell me the highly educated one had a brain lapse....say it ain't so.

Maybe now you will reflect on your retarded comment you made to me.

 

 

its not a choice.