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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2012 - 9:48 PM ET #51

    what's crazy is that i started smoking cigarettes when i was 7 years old because i saw it on western tv. Then i saw westerns where they drank whiskey and i wanted to try it also. By 13 i was drinking and smoking ciggs on a weekly basis and got into cocaine to be able to drink more and stay up longer. Then i started to experiment with all kinds of drugs. Then found out about weed and everything else seemed boring to me except weed. So tv, movies, and legal drugs like ciggs and alcohol are the real gateway drugs.
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    what's crazy is that i started smoking cigarettes when i was 7 years old because i saw it on western tv. Then i saw westerns where they drank whiskey and i wanted to try it also. By 13 i was drinking and smoking ciggs on a weekly basis and got into cocaine to be able to drink more and stay up longer. Then i started to experiment with all kinds of drugs. Then found out about weed and everything else seemed boring to me except weed. So tv, movies, and legal drugs like ciggs and alcohol are the real gateway drugs.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2012 - 9:51 PM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    booze is worse than weed... 

    prescription pills are worse than weed... 

    ^ that's the winning argument for a stoner 

    the worst is when a straight edge in his 40's is prescribed to 2 mg's of klonopin, drinks every night and looks down on a dude that smokes weed. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    booze is worse than weed... 

    prescription pills are worse than weed... 

    ^ that's the winning argument for a stoner 

    the worst is when a straight edge in his 40's is prescribed to 2 mg's of klonopin, drinks every night and looks down on a dude that smokes weed. 

     
     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2012 - 10:04 PM ET #53

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    what's crazy is that i started smoking cigarettes when i was 7 years old because i saw it on western tv. Then i saw westerns where they drank whiskey and i wanted to try it also. By 13 i was drinking and smoking ciggs on a weekly basis and got into cocaine to be able to drink more and stay up longer. Then i started to experiment with all kinds of drugs. Then found out about weed and everything else seemed boring to me except weed. So tv, movies, and legal drugs like ciggs and alcohol are the real gateway drugs.

    did you like davy crockett? 
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    what's crazy is that i started smoking cigarettes when i was 7 years old because i saw it on western tv. Then i saw westerns where they drank whiskey and i wanted to try it also. By 13 i was drinking and smoking ciggs on a weekly basis and got into cocaine to be able to drink more and stay up longer. Then i started to experiment with all kinds of drugs. Then found out about weed and everything else seemed boring to me except weed. So tv, movies, and legal drugs like ciggs and alcohol are the real gateway drugs.

    did you like davy crockett? 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2012 - 10:14 PM ET #54

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:


    did you like davy crockett? 
    Davy Crockett King of the Wild Frontier I remember wearing a Coonskin cap when i was a kid that my grandpa put on my head. Damn all of those memories of when i was younger are so blurry.
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    did you like davy crockett? 
    Davy Crockett King of the Wild Frontier I remember wearing a Coonskin cap when i was a kid that my grandpa put on my head. Damn all of those memories of when i was younger are so blurry.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2012 - 10:17 PM ET #55

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    Davy Crockett King of the Wild Frontier I remember wearing a Coonskin cap when i was a kid that my grandpa put on my head. Damn all of those memories of when i was younger are so blurry.

     

    Because you've smoked too much weed.  

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    Davy Crockett King of the Wild Frontier I remember wearing a Coonskin cap when i was a kid that my grandpa put on my head. Damn all of those memories of when i was younger are so blurry.

     

    Because you've smoked too much weed.  

     
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    Posted: Feb. 23, 2012 - 12:05 AM ET #56

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    be easy,

    You brought up a good point..regarding my view on the medical subject..and yes you are right that I am not convinced of the medical need. There is a person that I know who has no recreational habit but does so for medical need and that person says they are unable to find any solution outside that source. So yes I am still not convinced nor do I think it is clear cut that those claiming a medical need have researched all avenues and it is their last resort..so the subject is quite "subjective".

    I am not sure what this has to do with you though, for all intensive purposes you are doing yourself a disservice by trying to rationalize your NON medical use off the back of the medical patient. You really need to go after your merit, the problem is all you have is some flawed human rights angle and the anti government stance which is a fallback for any argument that lacks stand alone merit.

    I am positively not going to divulge any personal information to you, anything that I say to you is used as bashing material when you are angry about something..which is pathetic. 

    You lack such self confidence that you would find humor in someone losing money or having a difficult time when they disagree with your recreational pot habit. So I shall pass on discussing anything personal when you are involved.




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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    be easy,

    You brought up a good point..regarding my view on the medical subject..and yes you are right that I am not convinced of the medical need. There is a person that I know who has no recreational habit but does so for medical need and that person says they are unable to find any solution outside that source. So yes I am still not convinced nor do I think it is clear cut that those claiming a medical need have researched all avenues and it is their last resort..so the subject is quite "subjective".

    I am not sure what this has to do with you though, for all intensive purposes you are doing yourself a disservice by trying to rationalize your NON medical use off the back of the medical patient. You really need to go after your merit, the problem is all you have is some flawed human rights angle and the anti government stance which is a fallback for any argument that lacks stand alone merit.

    I am positively not going to divulge any personal information to you, anything that I say to you is used as bashing material when you are angry about something..which is pathetic. 

    You lack such self confidence that you would find humor in someone losing money or having a difficult time when they disagree with your recreational pot habit. So I shall pass on discussing anything personal when you are involved.




     
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2012 - 9:59 AM ET #57

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    what did dr drew say that isn't true? 

    Weed is less addictive than coffee.  That's right.  COFFEE.  Also, people don't smoke weed, and then get addicted, and then look for a better high and start snorting bath salts.  And people do not have withdrawal symptoms from weed.  The better question is "what did Dr. Drew say that WAS true?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    what did dr drew say that isn't true? 

    Weed is less addictive than coffee.  That's right.  COFFEE.  Also, people don't smoke weed, and then get addicted, and then look for a better high and start snorting bath salts.  And people do not have withdrawal symptoms from weed.  The better question is "what did Dr. Drew say that WAS true?"

     
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2012 - 10:18 AM ET #58

         Never in my life have I ever heard of anyone, met anyone, read about anyone being addicted to weed.  Never.  It just doesn't happen.  I'm not saying it has never happened (I'm sure there is somebody out there that is addicted), but it is very rare.  The other day I was watching a show and there was a woman on the show that is addicted to snorting baby powder.  Point is, many people are addicted to something. 

         Poor diet kills more people than weed does.  Cigarettes kill hundreds of thousands of people every month world wide.  So does alcohol.  Nobody has ever died smoking weed.  There are 0 documented deaths from marijuana.  This plant being illegal really is absurd and there really is no good reason for it.

         Also, the weed today is only about 5 to 10% stronger than it was in the the 60's.  Dr. Drew really should get his facts straight.  Stronger weed is more common these days, but you were still able to get some very strong weed in the 60's. 

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         Never in my life have I ever heard of anyone, met anyone, read about anyone being addicted to weed.  Never.  It just doesn't happen.  I'm not saying it has never happened (I'm sure there is somebody out there that is addicted), but it is very rare.  The other day I was watching a show and there was a woman on the show that is addicted to snorting baby powder.  Point is, many people are addicted to something. 

         Poor diet kills more people than weed does.  Cigarettes kill hundreds of thousands of people every month world wide.  So does alcohol.  Nobody has ever died smoking weed.  There are 0 documented deaths from marijuana.  This plant being illegal really is absurd and there really is no good reason for it.

         Also, the weed today is only about 5 to 10% stronger than it was in the the 60's.  Dr. Drew really should get his facts straight.  Stronger weed is more common these days, but you were still able to get some very strong weed in the 60's. 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2012 - 11:50 AM ET #59

    Marijuana is addictive.

    Marijuana is more than 5/10% stronger than it was in the 60's.

    Dr Drew got all of his facts straight. You didn't.
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    Marijuana is addictive.

    Marijuana is more than 5/10% stronger than it was in the 60's.

    Dr Drew got all of his facts straight. You didn't.
     
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    Marijuana is phycologically addictive (like t.v., sex, eating and countless other things people over-indulge on), but not physically addictive (like sugar, caffine, alcohol, crack ect.)

    Marijuana does not have withdrawal symptoms outside of the phycological. If you take the pot away from a man that has smoked daily for 30 years...damn right he'll do everything in his power to get more. The thing is, after a week, he'll still have the power to try.

    If you take the bottle from a man that has drank every day for 30 years, he too will do everything in his power to get more. He however, will not have the power to try after a week. His withdrawal symptoms could include dt's and death.

     

     

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    Marijuana is phycologically addictive (like t.v., sex, eating and countless other things people over-indulge on), but not physically addictive (like sugar, caffine, alcohol, crack ect.)

    Marijuana does not have withdrawal symptoms outside of the phycological. If you take the pot away from a man that has smoked daily for 30 years...damn right he'll do everything in his power to get more. The thing is, after a week, he'll still have the power to try.

    If you take the bottle from a man that has drank every day for 30 years, he too will do everything in his power to get more. He however, will not have the power to try after a week. His withdrawal symptoms could include dt's and death.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2012 - 2:38 PM ET #61

    There is really no comparison between marijuana and 'drugs'. When I say drugs, I include caffine and sugar. When built up in your system your body NEEDS drugs to remain the same. When built up in your system your MIND WANTS to feel the effect of marijuana.

     

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    There is really no comparison between marijuana and 'drugs'. When I say drugs, I include caffine and sugar. When built up in your system your body NEEDS drugs to remain the same. When built up in your system your MIND WANTS to feel the effect of marijuana.

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2012 - 2:48 PM ET #62

    I had a phycology teacher in collage that was very one sided aleways. Never open to the possibility that each individual is unique and thusly there is rarely a definate when it comes to the mind and body.

    During a lecture on marijuana, he was covering the side effects, including a-motivational syndrom. He stated that without a doubt, that smoking marijuana would result in reduced motivation which lead to poor performance and in the long run failure.

    When I told him that I smoked marijuana daily, had 21 credit hours that semester, worked 40+ hours a week and went out most every night during the week, he had little to say. When I callanged the class to top my g.p.a. that semester no one could beat my 3.9.

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    I had a phycology teacher in collage that was very one sided aleways. Never open to the possibility that each individual is unique and thusly there is rarely a definate when it comes to the mind and body.

    During a lecture on marijuana, he was covering the side effects, including a-motivational syndrom. He stated that without a doubt, that smoking marijuana would result in reduced motivation which lead to poor performance and in the long run failure.

    When I told him that I smoked marijuana daily, had 21 credit hours that semester, worked 40+ hours a week and went out most every night during the week, he had little to say. When I callanged the class to top my g.p.a. that semester no one could beat my 3.9.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2012 - 2:57 PM ET #63

    I now run a succesfull company, and employ several people. Although not daily, I will say that I still smoke regularly. Marijuana is not a dangerous drug outside of health concerns. I think the stigma stems from the fact that most people that openly smoke are not productive citzens.

    That and the fact that govt. knows that if legalized, people could grow it themselves and it would be mostly un-taxable. Not being able to rob alittle of you money is scary to them, and for that reason they make it out to be BAD! A valid point was made above that no one has ever died from using marijuana. The govt. can make plenty off of scripts, and they promote legal drug use. They will have you believe that all of those poeple that od on legal drugs did so because they mixed with other drugs, but the point is presciption medications are deadly! It is a sad sad joke.

     

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    I now run a succesfull company, and employ several people. Although not daily, I will say that I still smoke regularly. Marijuana is not a dangerous drug outside of health concerns. I think the stigma stems from the fact that most people that openly smoke are not productive citzens.

    That and the fact that govt. knows that if legalized, people could grow it themselves and it would be mostly un-taxable. Not being able to rob alittle of you money is scary to them, and for that reason they make it out to be BAD! A valid point was made above that no one has ever died from using marijuana. The govt. can make plenty off of scripts, and they promote legal drug use. They will have you believe that all of those poeple that od on legal drugs did so because they mixed with other drugs, but the point is presciption medications are deadly! It is a sad sad joke.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelCash:

    I know thousands of people that used to smoke weed, but now they do crack and heroine because the weed high was no longer good enough after a while and they just needed more.    
     
    What the fuck is HE smoking? 

    It all depends on the individual.

    My core group of friends have been smoking since we were 15 and only one kid has moved onto harder drugs.

    Weed has been and always will be the only "illegal drug" I do. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelCash:

    I know thousands of people that used to smoke weed, but now they do crack and heroine because the weed high was no longer good enough after a while and they just needed more.    
     
    What the fuck is HE smoking? 

    It all depends on the individual.

    My core group of friends have been smoking since we were 15 and only one kid has moved onto harder drugs.

    Weed has been and always will be the only "illegal drug" I do. 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2012 - 3:47 PM ET #65

    During a lecture on marijuana, he was covering the side effects, including a-motivational syndrom. He stated that without a doubt, that smoking marijuana would result in reduced motivation which lead to poor performance and in the long run failure.

    It doesn't matter. What we need is an army of a million armed men, strapped with flamethrowers, and anyone caught criticizing prohibition, let alone partoking in MJ, should be torched to death
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    During a lecture on marijuana, he was covering the side effects, including a-motivational syndrom. He stated that without a doubt, that smoking marijuana would result in reduced motivation which lead to poor performance and in the long run failure.

    It doesn't matter. What we need is an army of a million armed men, strapped with flamethrowers, and anyone caught criticizing prohibition, let alone partoking in MJ, should be torched to death
     
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2012 - 6:45 PM ET #66

    my dear freinds    if you smoke pot a little your fine.......alot.....try to do a math test or anything that needs thinking......alot of pot ...MAKES YOU  STUPID........who ever started this cheech and chong  shit should be shot...its a horrible drug  if used everyday.......you also lose your  ABILITY  TO LAUGH  AT THINGS  NORMAL REACTIONS TO THINGS........DON T FALL INTO  THIS TRAP...THAT POTS OK.....ITS NOT.
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    my dear freinds    if you smoke pot a little your fine.......alot.....try to do a math test or anything that needs thinking......alot of pot ...MAKES YOU  STUPID........who ever started this cheech and chong  shit should be shot...its a horrible drug  if used everyday.......you also lose your  ABILITY  TO LAUGH  AT THINGS  NORMAL REACTIONS TO THINGS........DON T FALL INTO  THIS TRAP...THAT POTS OK.....ITS NOT.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 25, 2012 - 12:53 AM ET #67

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Marijuana is addictive.

    Marijuana is more than 5/10% stronger than it was in the 60's.

    Dr Drew got all of his facts straight. You didn't.

    Agree to disagree.  Marijuana is not addictive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Marijuana is addictive.

    Marijuana is more than 5/10% stronger than it was in the 60's.

    Dr Drew got all of his facts straight. You didn't.

    Agree to disagree.  Marijuana is not addictive.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 25, 2012 - 1:13 AM ET #68

         Dr. Lester Grinspoon is an M.D. and professor at Harvard and states that alcohol, cocaine, heroin, cigarettes, and COFFEE are more addictive than marijuana.  Surely marijuana has addictive qualities.  I wont argue that.  So yes... you can say it's addictive.  I can't say it's not.  But it is not highly addictive, and when something is less addictive than coffee, I don't consider it anything to worry about.

         It's just like anything else.  When used in moderation, there is nothing to worry about. 

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         Dr. Lester Grinspoon is an M.D. and professor at Harvard and states that alcohol, cocaine, heroin, cigarettes, and COFFEE are more addictive than marijuana.  Surely marijuana has addictive qualities.  I wont argue that.  So yes... you can say it's addictive.  I can't say it's not.  But it is not highly addictive, and when something is less addictive than coffee, I don't consider it anything to worry about.

         It's just like anything else.  When used in moderation, there is nothing to worry about. 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 25, 2012 - 2:15 AM ET #69

    food also has addicitve qualities, i've got a friend that was on oxy for 3 years and quit no problem, but that guy will never be under 300lbs

    so much of this is mental, for me i will not stop diet soda, never going to happen

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    food also has addicitve qualities, i've got a friend that was on oxy for 3 years and quit no problem, but that guy will never be under 300lbs

    so much of this is mental, for me i will not stop diet soda, never going to happen

     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2012 - 6:12 AM ET #70

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodogjoe:

    my dear freinds    if you smoke pot a little your fine.......alot.....try to do a math test or anything that needs thinking......alot of pot ...MAKES YOU  STUPID........who ever started this cheech and chong  shit should be shot...its a horrible drug  if used everyday.......you also lose your  ABILITY  TO LAUGH  AT THINGS  NORMAL REACTIONS TO THINGS........DON T FALL INTO  THIS TRAP...THAT POTS OK.....ITS NOT.

    you are free to think what you want

    this, however, does not make anything you typed true

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodogjoe:

    my dear freinds    if you smoke pot a little your fine.......alot.....try to do a math test or anything that needs thinking......alot of pot ...MAKES YOU  STUPID........who ever started this cheech and chong  shit should be shot...its a horrible drug  if used everyday.......you also lose your  ABILITY  TO LAUGH  AT THINGS  NORMAL REACTIONS TO THINGS........DON T FALL INTO  THIS TRAP...THAT POTS OK.....ITS NOT.

    you are free to think what you want

    this, however, does not make anything you typed true

     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2012 - 6:13 AM ET #71

    prohibition does not work

    history has repeatedly proven this

     

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    prohibition does not work

    history has repeatedly proven this

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2012 - 10:33 AM ET #72

    Quote Originally Posted by SteelCash:

    I know thousands of people that used to smoke weed, but now they do crack and heroine because the weed high was no longer good enough after a while and they just needed more.    
     
    What the fuck is HE smoking? 


    Ayo, I smoked weed every day from age 15 till about age 23.  I also drank daily.  At first everything was nice and smooth.  Then toward the end, I could not smoke weed without getting an insatiable urge to drink.  So I would start drinking at 7 or 8 in the morning.  Then the weed made me want cocaine which turned into crack.  This also happened to 7 or 8 of my friends.  Yeah most of my friends kept the weed smoking under control but for some people it gets to the point where even the best weed imported from Canada is not enough.  It is a gateway drug to some people, especially those genetically prone to addiction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelCash:

    I know thousands of people that used to smoke weed, but now they do crack and heroine because the weed high was no longer good enough after a while and they just needed more.    
     
    What the fuck is HE smoking? 


    Ayo, I smoked weed every day from age 15 till about age 23.  I also drank daily.  At first everything was nice and smooth.  Then toward the end, I could not smoke weed without getting an insatiable urge to drink.  So I would start drinking at 7 or 8 in the morning.  Then the weed made me want cocaine which turned into crack.  This also happened to 7 or 8 of my friends.  Yeah most of my friends kept the weed smoking under control but for some people it gets to the point where even the best weed imported from Canada is not enough.  It is a gateway drug to some people, especially those genetically prone to addiction.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2012 - 11:01 AM ET #73

    ENOUGH!

    If you're addicted to pot you're about as sad as people addicted to big macs. Pathetic. You totally lack any sense of self control and self responsibility. Pot doesn't ruin lives. People do.

    I started smoking pot 15 years ago... smoked it about two times a week back then. Smoke it about once or twice a year these days.

    This drug is no big deal at all and far less addictive than alcohol.

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    ENOUGH!

    If you're addicted to pot you're about as sad as people addicted to big macs. Pathetic. You totally lack any sense of self control and self responsibility. Pot doesn't ruin lives. People do.

    I started smoking pot 15 years ago... smoked it about two times a week back then. Smoke it about once or twice a year these days.

    This drug is no big deal at all and far less addictive than alcohol.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2012 - 1:47 PM ET #74

    Quote Originally Posted by NASCAR-Sucks:

    ENOUGH!

    If you're addicted to pot you're about as sad as people addicted to big macs. Pathetic. You totally lack any sense of self control and self responsibility. Pot doesn't ruin lives. People do.

    I started smoking pot 15 years ago... smoked it about two times a week back then. Smoke it about once or twice a year these days.

    This drug is no big deal at all and far less addictive than alcohol.


    Pot doesn't ruin lives. People do. 

    Heroin doesn't ruin lives. People do. Guns don't kill people. People do. 

    Far less addictive is different than saying it's not addictive. 

    Nascar does suck. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by NASCAR-Sucks:

    ENOUGH!

    If you're addicted to pot you're about as sad as people addicted to big macs. Pathetic. You totally lack any sense of self control and self responsibility. Pot doesn't ruin lives. People do.

    I started smoking pot 15 years ago... smoked it about two times a week back then. Smoke it about once or twice a year these days.

    This drug is no big deal at all and far less addictive than alcohol.


    Pot doesn't ruin lives. People do. 

    Heroin doesn't ruin lives. People do. Guns don't kill people. People do. 

    Far less addictive is different than saying it's not addictive. 

    Nascar does suck. 
     
     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2012 - 2:10 PM ET #75

    Quote Originally Posted by ProtoStar:



    Ayo, I smoked weed every day from age 15 till about age 23.  I also drank daily.  At first everything was nice and smooth.  Then toward the end, I could not smoke weed without getting an insatiable urge to drink.  So I would start drinking at 7 or 8 in the morning.  Then the weed made me want cocaine which turned into crack.  This also happened to 7 or 8 of my friends.  Yeah most of my friends kept the weed smoking under control but for some people it gets to the point where even the best weed imported from Canada is not enough.  It is a gateway drug to some people, especially those genetically prone to addiction.




    you almost had me there, i thought you were being serious at first 

    Good one!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProtoStar:



    Ayo, I smoked weed every day from age 15 till about age 23.  I also drank daily.  At first everything was nice and smooth.  Then toward the end, I could not smoke weed without getting an insatiable urge to drink.  So I would start drinking at 7 or 8 in the morning.  Then the weed made me want cocaine which turned into crack.  This also happened to 7 or 8 of my friends.  Yeah most of my friends kept the weed smoking under control but for some people it gets to the point where even the best weed imported from Canada is not enough.  It is a gateway drug to some people, especially those genetically prone to addiction.




    you almost had me there, i thought you were being serious at first 

    Good one!
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