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    Did you know your employer can make you work 80 consecutive hours WITHOUT having to pay overtime?

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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2012 - 5:03 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by bill702:

    I still don't get the problem like salty said there aren't many employers that want you working 10 days straight, but when it happens enjoy your 4 days off. Even if you dont get the 4 days off in a row you're still getting the 2 days off a week you're entitled to without overtime.It's better then having split days off.You go in knowing how the pay period is set up so it's not like they are surprising you. They are working within the meaning of the law what else do you want?
    Also, it will always come down to the basic argument if you don't like it leave. That's just how life works the laws are in place and you are aware of them it's a two way street. 


    People don't always go into a job knowing how their schedule will work out.  They may usually work xyz, but something comes up and their boss forces them work abc and they didn't know or expect that when they applied for the job.  Secondly, what do you mean "it's a two way street?"  Like you can leave for any reason or they can fire you for any reason?  because that is not exactly a  two way street because it is usually much easier for an employer to replace an employee than it is for an employee to find another comparable job.  Just look at the application process. 90% of the population applies for dozens of jobs waiting for a single offer whereas an employer advertises a job and gets to pick between dozens of candidates.  It's not a two way street.  It's more like they get 5 lanes and you get 1.  What if an employee was being mistreated just because they were black.  the laws aside, would you say "if you don't like it leave"or "it's a two way street-at will employment"
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    Quote Originally Posted by bill702:

    I still don't get the problem like salty said there aren't many employers that want you working 10 days straight, but when it happens enjoy your 4 days off. Even if you dont get the 4 days off in a row you're still getting the 2 days off a week you're entitled to without overtime.It's better then having split days off.You go in knowing how the pay period is set up so it's not like they are surprising you. They are working within the meaning of the law what else do you want?
    Also, it will always come down to the basic argument if you don't like it leave. That's just how life works the laws are in place and you are aware of them it's a two way street. 


    People don't always go into a job knowing how their schedule will work out.  They may usually work xyz, but something comes up and their boss forces them work abc and they didn't know or expect that when they applied for the job.  Secondly, what do you mean "it's a two way street?"  Like you can leave for any reason or they can fire you for any reason?  because that is not exactly a  two way street because it is usually much easier for an employer to replace an employee than it is for an employee to find another comparable job.  Just look at the application process. 90% of the population applies for dozens of jobs waiting for a single offer whereas an employer advertises a job and gets to pick between dozens of candidates.  It's not a two way street.  It's more like they get 5 lanes and you get 1.  What if an employee was being mistreated just because they were black.  the laws aside, would you say "if you don't like it leave"or "it's a two way street-at will employment"
     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2012 - 5:34 PM ET #27

    I meant the law works both ways sorry for the confusion. The law was put in place to protect the employees, and they are working within the law. I don't see an issue with it. If your skill dictates you can get away with demanding you don't work 10 days straight then so be it, but obviously they see you as being easily replaceable and can force you to work 80 hrs in 10 out of 14 days without paying you overtime.

    I would compare this to the minimum wage laws. You have a kid making fries at $7/ hr (or whatever it may be now), which I'm sure in this economy they can find people to do it for less, but they still have to pay him $7/hr even though he isn't worth that much. 
    I'm not sure what type of job you're doing or what this is about, but like many have said it could be worse. 
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    I meant the law works both ways sorry for the confusion. The law was put in place to protect the employees, and they are working within the law. I don't see an issue with it. If your skill dictates you can get away with demanding you don't work 10 days straight then so be it, but obviously they see you as being easily replaceable and can force you to work 80 hrs in 10 out of 14 days without paying you overtime.

    I would compare this to the minimum wage laws. You have a kid making fries at $7/ hr (or whatever it may be now), which I'm sure in this economy they can find people to do it for less, but they still have to pay him $7/hr even though he isn't worth that much. 
    I'm not sure what type of job you're doing or what this is about, but like many have said it could be worse. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2012 - 5:51 PM ET #28

    it could be worse, then we go again.
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    it could be worse, then we go again.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2012 - 6:44 PM ET #29

    bro, my brother worked in Afghanistan with this schedule:

    two and a half MONTHS, Monday to Sunday 12h A DAY.

    He gets his 3 weeks off every 3 months to come home and rest.

    Ofc, he gets paid extra for it, but imagine that workpace, not a single free day for 70+ days.

    So, as long as you work 40h a week, or 8h/day  or 240h a month, dont complain. You work 8 days in a row, but you get 4 days off

    my cousin works 24h non-stop but after that he gets 2 days off...so all in all, hours per month are the same.




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    bro, my brother worked in Afghanistan with this schedule:

    two and a half MONTHS, Monday to Sunday 12h A DAY.

    He gets his 3 weeks off every 3 months to come home and rest.

    Ofc, he gets paid extra for it, but imagine that workpace, not a single free day for 70+ days.

    So, as long as you work 40h a week, or 8h/day  or 240h a month, dont complain. You work 8 days in a row, but you get 4 days off

    my cousin works 24h non-stop but after that he gets 2 days off...so all in all, hours per month are the same.




     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2012 - 7:12 PM ET #30

    I don't like my work schedule. 

    The employee has it easier than the employer. 

    Be the employer if it's so easy. This is America. 


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    I don't like my work schedule. 

    The employee has it easier than the employer. 

    Be the employer if it's so easy. This is America. 


     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2012 - 7:25 PM ET #31

    Working 8 hours a day for 10 straight days isn't the same as working 80 consecutive hours. 

    Ask Covers-Team to correct your thread title. He hasn't had a day off since Aug 2001. 

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    Working 8 hours a day for 10 straight days isn't the same as working 80 consecutive hours. 

    Ask Covers-Team to correct your thread title. He hasn't had a day off since Aug 2001. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2012 - 7:36 PM ET #32

    You are a moron.  

    Worked with this law all my professional life.  Yeah, you can do it to an employee, but what kind of moronic company is going to work with that sort of schedule?  And you're going to have to give them the extended time off on either side of the week.

    I could give myself a sulfuric acid enema.  Doesn't mean I'm standing in line to do it anytime soon.  

    There is no way around it because you can't change the "work week" on a weekly basis (ie. make it Monday - Sunday one week and then something different the next).  



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    You are a moron.  

    Worked with this law all my professional life.  Yeah, you can do it to an employee, but what kind of moronic company is going to work with that sort of schedule?  And you're going to have to give them the extended time off on either side of the week.

    I could give myself a sulfuric acid enema.  Doesn't mean I'm standing in line to do it anytime soon.  

    There is no way around it because you can't change the "work week" on a weekly basis (ie. make it Monday - Sunday one week and then something different the next).  



     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2012 - 7:38 PM ET #33

    Like you can leave for any reason or they can fire you for any reason?  because that is not exactly a  two way street because it is usually much easier for an employer to replace an employee than it is for an employee to find another comparable job.
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    It's called "Employment at Will" and says that either party can end the relationship for any reason, as long as it's not illegal.  How much more fair can you get?  So maybe more layoffs occur as opposed to voluntary terminations......you really think you're going to force companies to keep workers they don't need or don't want (if it's for a legal reason)?

    Do you get to vote, by the way?
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    Like you can leave for any reason or they can fire you for any reason?  because that is not exactly a  two way street because it is usually much easier for an employer to replace an employee than it is for an employee to find another comparable job.
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    It's called "Employment at Will" and says that either party can end the relationship for any reason, as long as it's not illegal.  How much more fair can you get?  So maybe more layoffs occur as opposed to voluntary terminations......you really think you're going to force companies to keep workers they don't need or don't want (if it's for a legal reason)?

    Do you get to vote, by the way?
     
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    1.  What if an employee was being mistreated just because they were black.  the laws aside, would you say "if you don't like it leave"or "it's a two way street-at will employment"
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    The laws aside.

    Just like murder.  The laws aside, it's not illegal.  
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    1.  What if an employee was being mistreated just because they were black.  the laws aside, would you say "if you don't like it leave"or "it's a two way street-at will employment"
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    Just like murder.  The laws aside, it's not illegal.  
     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2012 - 7:46 PM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    I don't like my work schedule. 

    The employee has it easier than the employer. 

    Be the employer if it's so easy. This is America. 



      

    Nothing wrong with starting your own business.  I am going to start my 2nd on the side in the next couple of months.  Simple idea and I don't know if it will fly, but quit pissing and moaning like someone owes you some sort of a job and do something about it.  


    How can anyone be surprised at anything?  People get shit on all the time.  Companies make decisions that affect people.  Small businesses fail.  That's what you sign up for when you make your decisions no matter what you decide to do.  Includes work....personal life....everything.  




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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    I don't like my work schedule. 

    The employee has it easier than the employer. 

    Be the employer if it's so easy. This is America. 



      

    Nothing wrong with starting your own business.  I am going to start my 2nd on the side in the next couple of months.  Simple idea and I don't know if it will fly, but quit pissing and moaning like someone owes you some sort of a job and do something about it.  


    How can anyone be surprised at anything?  People get shit on all the time.  Companies make decisions that affect people.  Small businesses fail.  That's what you sign up for when you make your decisions no matter what you decide to do.  Includes work....personal life....everything.  




     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2012 - 2:02 AM ET #36

    so how about there be a law that says any time a person works more than 40 hours in ANY consecutive string of days they are due overtime pay?  what would be wrong with that?  the question is do you think this would be a better law or the way it is now and why?
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    so how about there be a law that says any time a person works more than 40 hours in ANY consecutive string of days they are due overtime pay?  what would be wrong with that?  the question is do you think this would be a better law or the way it is now and why?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fish1982:

    so how about there be a law that says any time a person works more than 40 hours in ANY consecutive string of days they are due overtime pay?  what would be wrong with that?  the question is do you think this would be a better law or the way it is now and why?

    In places where workers work 7 days a week, most people want the weekends off.  If there is a rotation of who gets the weekend off, some 7 day spans you will get more than 40 hours and others less, but you still average 40 hours per week.  Why should you get overtime?

    When my father was a resident at a hospital, he worked 36 hours straight, 12 hours off, then 36 more hours, etc, for 2 years.  The only time he missed a shift was when I was born.  Your 48 or 56 hour work week is not something you should be complaining about, but if it is that loathsome to you, quit and find a union job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fish1982:

    so how about there be a law that says any time a person works more than 40 hours in ANY consecutive string of days they are due overtime pay?  what would be wrong with that?  the question is do you think this would be a better law or the way it is now and why?

    In places where workers work 7 days a week, most people want the weekends off.  If there is a rotation of who gets the weekend off, some 7 day spans you will get more than 40 hours and others less, but you still average 40 hours per week.  Why should you get overtime?

    When my father was a resident at a hospital, he worked 36 hours straight, 12 hours off, then 36 more hours, etc, for 2 years.  The only time he missed a shift was when I was born.  Your 48 or 56 hour work week is not something you should be complaining about, but if it is that loathsome to you, quit and find a union job.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:


    In places where workers work 7 days a week, most people want the weekends off.  If there is a rotation of who gets the weekend off, some 7 day spans you will get more than 40 hours and others less, but you still average 40 hours per week.  Why should you get overtime?

    When my father was a resident at a hospital, he worked 36 hours straight, 12 hours off, then 36 more hours, etc, for 2 years.  The only time he missed a shift was when I was born.  Your 48 or 56 hour work week is not something you should be complaining about, but if it is that loathsome to you, quit and find a union job.


    once again another person failing to answer my specific question and going down the "here is an example of something worse or if you don't like it leave" line. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:


    In places where workers work 7 days a week, most people want the weekends off.  If there is a rotation of who gets the weekend off, some 7 day spans you will get more than 40 hours and others less, but you still average 40 hours per week.  Why should you get overtime?

    When my father was a resident at a hospital, he worked 36 hours straight, 12 hours off, then 36 more hours, etc, for 2 years.  The only time he missed a shift was when I was born.  Your 48 or 56 hour work week is not something you should be complaining about, but if it is that loathsome to you, quit and find a union job.


    once again another person failing to answer my specific question and going down the "here is an example of something worse or if you don't like it leave" line. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2012 - 10:16 AM ET #39

    and please leave out starting my own business or getting weekends or other days off.  they have nothing to do with my question.
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    and please leave out starting my own business or getting weekends or other days off.  they have nothing to do with my question.
     
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    ok, to answer your question--yes, i did know this.

    hell, guys in the military are forced to work an average of 80 hours a week during peacetime, and this goes on for their entire enlistment.
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    ok, to answer your question--yes, i did know this.

    hell, guys in the military are forced to work an average of 80 hours a week during peacetime, and this goes on for their entire enlistment.
     
     
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    once again another person failing to answer my specific question and going down the "here is an example of something worse or if you don't like it leave" line. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by fish1982:



    once again another person failing to answer my specific question and going down the "here is an example of something worse or if you don't like it leave" line. 
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