Criminals dont buy guns legally and go through background checks to purchase them. Gun control LAWS have no effect on people who BREAK THE LAW BY PURCHASING GUNS. They only prevent law abiding citizens from being able do defend their homes and family against ARMED criminals who ARE NOT AFFECTED BY GUN CONTROL LAWS.
Drugs are illegal too. Thats really stopped the drug problem hasnt it?
Alot of people accidently drown in their pools. Pools should be outlawed too.
Does anyone really give a garbage if someone blows their head off accidently with a firearm? Who cares? People die in accidents every day. Its a part of life. More oxygen for the rest of us. You cant legislate safety.
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Criminals dont buy guns legally and go through background checks to purchase them. Gun control LAWS have no effect on people who BREAK THE LAW BY PURCHASING GUNS. They only prevent law abiding citizens from being able do defend their homes and family against ARMED criminals who ARE NOT AFFECTED BY GUN CONTROL LAWS.
Drugs are illegal too. Thats really stopped the drug problem hasnt it?
Alot of people accidently drown in their pools. Pools should be outlawed too.
Does anyone really give a garbage if someone blows their head off accidently with a firearm? Who cares? People die in accidents every day. Its a part of life. More oxygen for the rest of us. You cant legislate safety.
So Tree, which chance do you think is greater, them having an accident like these three cops I have shown or having the cool to pull a gun at the age of 12 line someone up , make a decision to end that persons life and pull the trigger?
I may not change your mind and that is ok, we can agree to disagree.
Give it some though though. Think about what you are asking the 12 year old to do, it would be a tall order for a seasoned police vet and almost inconceivable for a 12 year old.
Cars again are not a good analogy, cars are a necessary part of our society and their risk justifies their use.
The point is this, are you really safer with a gun in your house when people accidentally shoot themselves all the time...... and others.
Not to mention, coming home drunk, getting dumped by your first boyfriend and wishing to end it all with a loaded handgun in the house.
12 year olds do not have the ability to decipher what is really important and the permanence of death.
Some very excellent points Crash - I couldn't agree more.
In no way, shape or form is having a gun accessible to a child safe.
In the case of an intruder, they will more than likely be overwhelmed by the situation. More than likely, they're either gonna not fire at all or miss the intruder altogether. You could end up with an intruder who initially may not have been armed but is now very pissed and holding your own damn gun and your kids life in his hands.
The other point you make is what really sticks out to me. A co-worker and friend of mine had to deal with this same very situation. His teenage son came home after his girlfriend broke up with him. His mom found him in his bedroom with their shotgun under his chin. She yelled and just as my friend got to the bedroom, he pulled the trigger. Try living with the picture of your own kid's brains blown out right in front of you for the rest of your life. Kids do not comprehend the finality of their decisions.
Guns have no place in a family home.
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Quote Originally Posted by Crashdavis565:
So Tree, which chance do you think is greater, them having an accident like these three cops I have shown or having the cool to pull a gun at the age of 12 line someone up , make a decision to end that persons life and pull the trigger?
I may not change your mind and that is ok, we can agree to disagree.
Give it some though though. Think about what you are asking the 12 year old to do, it would be a tall order for a seasoned police vet and almost inconceivable for a 12 year old.
Cars again are not a good analogy, cars are a necessary part of our society and their risk justifies their use.
The point is this, are you really safer with a gun in your house when people accidentally shoot themselves all the time...... and others.
Not to mention, coming home drunk, getting dumped by your first boyfriend and wishing to end it all with a loaded handgun in the house.
12 year olds do not have the ability to decipher what is really important and the permanence of death.
Some very excellent points Crash - I couldn't agree more.
In no way, shape or form is having a gun accessible to a child safe.
In the case of an intruder, they will more than likely be overwhelmed by the situation. More than likely, they're either gonna not fire at all or miss the intruder altogether. You could end up with an intruder who initially may not have been armed but is now very pissed and holding your own damn gun and your kids life in his hands.
The other point you make is what really sticks out to me. A co-worker and friend of mine had to deal with this same very situation. His teenage son came home after his girlfriend broke up with him. His mom found him in his bedroom with their shotgun under his chin. She yelled and just as my friend got to the bedroom, he pulled the trigger. Try living with the picture of your own kid's brains blown out right in front of you for the rest of your life. Kids do not comprehend the finality of their decisions.
Some very excellent points Crash - I couldn't agree more.
In no way, shape or form is having a gun accessible to a child safe.
In the case of an intruder, they will more than likely be overwhelmed by the situation. More than likely, they're either gonna not fire at all or miss the intruder altogether. You could end up with an intruder who initially may not have been armed but is now very pissed and holding your own damn gun and your kids life in his hands.
The other point you make is what really sticks out to me. A co-worker and friend of mine had to deal with this same very situation. His teenage son came home after his girlfriend broke up with him. His mom found him in his bedroom with their shotgun under his chin. She yelled and just as my friend got to the bedroom, he pulled the trigger. Try living with the picture of your own kid's brains blown out right in front of you for the rest of your life. Kids do not comprehend the finality of their decisions.
Guns have no place in a family home.
Smash and Crash - Just decided to start tailing your picks going forward....
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Quote Originally Posted by Smashed69:
Some very excellent points Crash - I couldn't agree more.
In no way, shape or form is having a gun accessible to a child safe.
In the case of an intruder, they will more than likely be overwhelmed by the situation. More than likely, they're either gonna not fire at all or miss the intruder altogether. You could end up with an intruder who initially may not have been armed but is now very pissed and holding your own damn gun and your kids life in his hands.
The other point you make is what really sticks out to me. A co-worker and friend of mine had to deal with this same very situation. His teenage son came home after his girlfriend broke up with him. His mom found him in his bedroom with their shotgun under his chin. She yelled and just as my friend got to the bedroom, he pulled the trigger. Try living with the picture of your own kid's brains blown out right in front of you for the rest of your life. Kids do not comprehend the finality of their decisions.
Guns have no place in a family home.
Smash and Crash - Just decided to start tailing your picks going forward....
Crash has ZERO studies to back up any of his claims. He just posts anecdotes (you could even more about successful use of a gun for self-defense). He's sort of like a woman that way, very emotional.
Covers Chump - you're a tool bro........
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Quote Originally Posted by CoversChamp3:
Crash has ZERO studies to back up any of his claims. He just posts anecdotes (you could even more about successful use of a gun for self-defense). He's sort of like a woman that way, very emotional.
If you shoot yourself with a gun by accident,you probably deserve to die and if a kid shoots himself in a home its the parents fault for being stupid and not locking gun away.
Guns are cool.
Lemme guess....you don't have kids? hahahahah...friggin tool.
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Quote Originally Posted by Plisskin76:
If you shoot yourself with a gun by accident,you probably deserve to die and if a kid shoots himself in a home its the parents fault for being stupid and not locking gun away.
Guns are cool.
Lemme guess....you don't have kids? hahahahah...friggin tool.
Ok to all the people on here bashing owning arms and pro - gun control I want you to hear a story of what happened to me and my cousins when I was 11 years old. lets see if your opinion changes or at least if you can understand why people want the right to bear arms.
please ignore the punctuation and grammar because I just don't have time.
I was staying with my aunt (my uncle was out of town at the time) at their bay house, in 1999 in point clear alabama, with my 5 cousins 4 boys one girl, and my cousins friend during the summer as a getaway for a couple of weeks, and all of my cousins were basically my best friends growing up. we had all gone to bed, as me and my cousin patrick and robert were not yet asleep but preparing too in the loft on their dock. my cousin jack and hunter slept in 2 single beds inside their house, and my cousin alice, and her friend stephanie were in the room across from my aunt helen. before i finish me pat and robert never knew anything was going on until we heard the noise. well late at night im guessing about 2 am an intruder broke into the house and had a knife, and had no intention of robbing or getting money this was just a terrible person. he opened the back door which was just a screen door with a weak lock, and got in somehow. he walked into the house toward my cousins alices room and opened the door. my aunt didnt hear the initial screen door open but did hear the door open to my cousins room and felt something was wrong. my cousin stayed asleep surprisingly and the man brought his attention to her friend stephanie. he woke her up and put his hand over this poor 8 year olds mouth and she let out a noise but he told her he would hurt her if she talked and he led her out of bed and was about to leead her outside and kidnap her. my aunt either heard the noise or the door or whatever, well she had a .38 in her bedside table that my uncle had given her. she picked it up and walked out of the room to see what was going on and knew something was wrong. she opened her door as the man was about to leave with stephanie. she screamed and he let go of stephanie and ran at her with the knife. she shot 5 times hitting him 3. then she grabbed stephanie and alice, backed up hysterical and woke my cousins up watching the man lay there on the floor then she grabbed the phone and called the police. the man died at the hospital later the next day.
imagine what would have happened to my aunt and stephanie and God knows who else if she wouldnt have had a gun. She would have gotten slaughtered by the knife and stephanie would have been probably raped and killed. Also, he may have killed everyone in the house. If you tell me you are against guns at least respect my opinion. and another thing.
IF WE GET RID OF GUNS DO YOU REALLY EXPECT CRIMINALS TO GIVE UP THEIR UNREGISTERED GUNS. NO DUMBASSES THE HONEST CIVILIANS WOULD HAVE NO GUNS, BUT THE CRIMINALS WOULD HAVE ALL THE GUNS THEY COULD EVER WANT IT WOULDNT AFFECT A FELON WHOSE WEAPONS ARE UNREGISTERED AND ILLEGAL ANYWAY.
i respect my aunt and am glad i was never in the house and was safe in the loft, my cousin and her friend still have nightmares and problems 11 years later. but at least they arent dead or tortured. today my family has guns and they are safe put up and the only ones loaded are in a handsafe by my bed. if you are responsible you should never have a problem. I even have grazer bullets so if i shoot they dont go through walls to hurt my family. just imagine if my family would have never owned weapons. they would be torn apart, quite possibly literally.
If your against gun control, move to england. where criminals own firearms and citizens and police get bullied cause they have none. all im saying is bottom line if your responsible and level headed guns wont hurt anyone unless they need to. your entitled to your own opinion, but if you believe we should have none, and be vulnerable to criminals and enemies that do have some i believe your opinion is wrong.
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Ok to all the people on here bashing owning arms and pro - gun control I want you to hear a story of what happened to me and my cousins when I was 11 years old. lets see if your opinion changes or at least if you can understand why people want the right to bear arms.
please ignore the punctuation and grammar because I just don't have time.
I was staying with my aunt (my uncle was out of town at the time) at their bay house, in 1999 in point clear alabama, with my 5 cousins 4 boys one girl, and my cousins friend during the summer as a getaway for a couple of weeks, and all of my cousins were basically my best friends growing up. we had all gone to bed, as me and my cousin patrick and robert were not yet asleep but preparing too in the loft on their dock. my cousin jack and hunter slept in 2 single beds inside their house, and my cousin alice, and her friend stephanie were in the room across from my aunt helen. before i finish me pat and robert never knew anything was going on until we heard the noise. well late at night im guessing about 2 am an intruder broke into the house and had a knife, and had no intention of robbing or getting money this was just a terrible person. he opened the back door which was just a screen door with a weak lock, and got in somehow. he walked into the house toward my cousins alices room and opened the door. my aunt didnt hear the initial screen door open but did hear the door open to my cousins room and felt something was wrong. my cousin stayed asleep surprisingly and the man brought his attention to her friend stephanie. he woke her up and put his hand over this poor 8 year olds mouth and she let out a noise but he told her he would hurt her if she talked and he led her out of bed and was about to leead her outside and kidnap her. my aunt either heard the noise or the door or whatever, well she had a .38 in her bedside table that my uncle had given her. she picked it up and walked out of the room to see what was going on and knew something was wrong. she opened her door as the man was about to leave with stephanie. she screamed and he let go of stephanie and ran at her with the knife. she shot 5 times hitting him 3. then she grabbed stephanie and alice, backed up hysterical and woke my cousins up watching the man lay there on the floor then she grabbed the phone and called the police. the man died at the hospital later the next day.
imagine what would have happened to my aunt and stephanie and God knows who else if she wouldnt have had a gun. She would have gotten slaughtered by the knife and stephanie would have been probably raped and killed. Also, he may have killed everyone in the house. If you tell me you are against guns at least respect my opinion. and another thing.
IF WE GET RID OF GUNS DO YOU REALLY EXPECT CRIMINALS TO GIVE UP THEIR UNREGISTERED GUNS. NO DUMBASSES THE HONEST CIVILIANS WOULD HAVE NO GUNS, BUT THE CRIMINALS WOULD HAVE ALL THE GUNS THEY COULD EVER WANT IT WOULDNT AFFECT A FELON WHOSE WEAPONS ARE UNREGISTERED AND ILLEGAL ANYWAY.
i respect my aunt and am glad i was never in the house and was safe in the loft, my cousin and her friend still have nightmares and problems 11 years later. but at least they arent dead or tortured. today my family has guns and they are safe put up and the only ones loaded are in a handsafe by my bed. if you are responsible you should never have a problem. I even have grazer bullets so if i shoot they dont go through walls to hurt my family. just imagine if my family would have never owned weapons. they would be torn apart, quite possibly literally.
If your against gun control, move to england. where criminals own firearms and citizens and police get bullied cause they have none. all im saying is bottom line if your responsible and level headed guns wont hurt anyone unless they need to. your entitled to your own opinion, but if you believe we should have none, and be vulnerable to criminals and enemies that do have some i believe your opinion is wrong.
situations like this arent showed in the media now days because the media is a liberal anti gun outlet to "inform" ignorant people that a device kills people
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situations like this arent showed in the media now days because the media is a liberal anti gun outlet to "inform" ignorant people that a device kills people
Also cops have Glocks, guns with no safety. I do not own a Glock for this reason, and was taught when I was younger in proper gun safety. I dont think cops should have Glocks for this reason.
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Also cops have Glocks, guns with no safety. I do not own a Glock for this reason, and was taught when I was younger in proper gun safety. I dont think cops should have Glocks for this reason.
See first of all, I am not for gun control. Let me repeat that, I am not for gun control. I believe people should be allowed to make your choices. It is in the constitution of our great nation that people should have the right to own guns.
That said, I firmly believe you are safer without guns in your house. Stories like yours are compelling but again, your Aunt was kind of lucky?
She was shooting in the dark at an unknown assailant and with a small child in arms reach. She was terrified and had hopefully never been in this situation before.
True, this is a good story. That said, she could just have easily shot the kid or herself. Firearms are dangerous. Even well trained policeman commonly shoot themselves, not to mention, drunken husbands, or distraught teens.
The chances of a gun providing benefit are far outweighed by the possiblitly of human error is my point.
I am happy to hear this all turned out well.
You should really research what happens in England too, you may be surprised.
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Wow- good story.
See first of all, I am not for gun control. Let me repeat that, I am not for gun control. I believe people should be allowed to make your choices. It is in the constitution of our great nation that people should have the right to own guns.
That said, I firmly believe you are safer without guns in your house. Stories like yours are compelling but again, your Aunt was kind of lucky?
She was shooting in the dark at an unknown assailant and with a small child in arms reach. She was terrified and had hopefully never been in this situation before.
True, this is a good story. That said, she could just have easily shot the kid or herself. Firearms are dangerous. Even well trained policeman commonly shoot themselves, not to mention, drunken husbands, or distraught teens.
The chances of a gun providing benefit are far outweighed by the possiblitly of human error is my point.
I am happy to hear this all turned out well.
You should really research what happens in England too, you may be surprised.
situations like this arent showed in the media now days because the media is a liberal anti gun outlet to "inform" ignorant people that a device kills people
This is simply not true. We all including me love to hear these tales! and they do happen, but they are just very rare to all the accidental shootings that occur.
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Quote Originally Posted by jgjtrapboss:
situations like this arent showed in the media now days because the media is a liberal anti gun outlet to "inform" ignorant people that a device kills people
This is simply not true. We all including me love to hear these tales! and they do happen, but they are just very rare to all the accidental shootings that occur.
Everyone should have the right to do what they want! Get the government out of our f-ing business. We pay taxes and obide by the laws, so this propaganda stuff is really annoying. So many ways for someone to die...People pull the trigger, not the gun pulling it's own trigger. With the way things seem to be headed, I would feel a lot safer knowing that all the good people that own guns legally would be around in case things get crazy.
This is more about having freedoms in this country than whether a person should own a gun in my opinion.
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Everyone should have the right to do what they want! Get the government out of our f-ing business. We pay taxes and obide by the laws, so this propaganda stuff is really annoying. So many ways for someone to die...People pull the trigger, not the gun pulling it's own trigger. With the way things seem to be headed, I would feel a lot safer knowing that all the good people that own guns legally would be around in case things get crazy.
This is more about having freedoms in this country than whether a person should own a gun in my opinion.
Also cops have Glocks, guns with no safety. I do not own a Glock for this reason, and was taught when I was younger in proper gun safety. I dont think cops should have Glocks for this reason.
Should I also post the hundreds of stories of people who have shot themselves with safetys?
Safety or no safety if a cop who is trained on his weapon monthly runs the risk of shooting himself, how would most people in a tense moment respond.
How does a safety protect a child from getting the gun out and showing it off to friends. or using it to end his life in a moment of despair. or a wife getting pissed off about her husband and offing him in a moment of rage?
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Quote Originally Posted by jgjtrapboss:
Also cops have Glocks, guns with no safety. I do not own a Glock for this reason, and was taught when I was younger in proper gun safety. I dont think cops should have Glocks for this reason.
Should I also post the hundreds of stories of people who have shot themselves with safetys?
Safety or no safety if a cop who is trained on his weapon monthly runs the risk of shooting himself, how would most people in a tense moment respond.
How does a safety protect a child from getting the gun out and showing it off to friends. or using it to end his life in a moment of despair. or a wife getting pissed off about her husband and offing him in a moment of rage?
Rumor mill has it that our president can declare Martial Law at any time, so these stories seem a little too fishy to me, as I don't believe what I'm told in the mainstream media. It's all too fishy and just doesn't feel right.
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Rumor mill has it that our president can declare Martial Law at any time, so these stories seem a little too fishy to me, as I don't believe what I'm told in the mainstream media. It's all too fishy and just doesn't feel right.
Everyone should have the right to do what they want! Get the government out of our f-ing business. We pay taxes and obide by the laws, so this propaganda stuff is really annoying. So many ways for someone to die...People pull the trigger, not the gun pulling it's own trigger. With the way things seem to be headed, I would feel a lot safer knowing that all the good people that own guns legally would be around in case things get crazy.
This is more about having freedoms in this country than whether a person should own a gun in my opinion.
I could not agree more. I think we should have the freedom to own guns. Absolutely. You would just have to be an idiot to do it. is my point.
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Quote Originally Posted by animals26:
Everyone should have the right to do what they want! Get the government out of our f-ing business. We pay taxes and obide by the laws, so this propaganda stuff is really annoying. So many ways for someone to die...People pull the trigger, not the gun pulling it's own trigger. With the way things seem to be headed, I would feel a lot safer knowing that all the good people that own guns legally would be around in case things get crazy.
This is more about having freedoms in this country than whether a person should own a gun in my opinion.
I could not agree more. I think we should have the freedom to own guns. Absolutely. You would just have to be an idiot to do it. is my point.
You guys should look up all the home intruders that have been shot... 2 In Oklahoma in the past week
Multiples in Texas as well. Living in LA now, I HATE the fact that I am unable to get a concealed carry license. It's not banned, but nearly impossible to get due to Gang Violence influencing local laws. Thus, the law abiding citizens are endangered by the criminals who will get weapons by any means necessary. If you REALLY want to curb gun violence, ban them completely and put a lengthy sentence for possession of one. Problem is, prisons are already heavily overcrowded and costing taxpayers millions so what is the real solution? Seems like a double edged sword no matter how you look at it; it only makes sense that you give people the right to protect themselves.
As for Costas... How can someone speak in absolutes when discussing a hypothetical, "if Belcher did NOT have a gun, it would NOT have occurred." No one should have to remind Bob of the countless murders/suicides that take place every second by an infinite number of means not including guns. Should people throw out their kitchen knives because they too could escalate a situation? Hardly.
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Quote Originally Posted by TREE88:
You guys should look up all the home intruders that have been shot... 2 In Oklahoma in the past week
Multiples in Texas as well. Living in LA now, I HATE the fact that I am unable to get a concealed carry license. It's not banned, but nearly impossible to get due to Gang Violence influencing local laws. Thus, the law abiding citizens are endangered by the criminals who will get weapons by any means necessary. If you REALLY want to curb gun violence, ban them completely and put a lengthy sentence for possession of one. Problem is, prisons are already heavily overcrowded and costing taxpayers millions so what is the real solution? Seems like a double edged sword no matter how you look at it; it only makes sense that you give people the right to protect themselves.
As for Costas... How can someone speak in absolutes when discussing a hypothetical, "if Belcher did NOT have a gun, it would NOT have occurred." No one should have to remind Bob of the countless murders/suicides that take place every second by an infinite number of means not including guns. Should people throw out their kitchen knives because they too could escalate a situation? Hardly.
Bob Costas is a piece of sh*t for bringing it up during the game and for bringing it up period. It's easy to blame the gun instead of the person responsible.
He mentioned the gun culture we live in. I agree it is the culture we live in but it isn't the gun culture. Guns have been legal in this country since the founding. How many times in the 50's did a football player kill his wife then himself? How many times in the 1800's were there school shootings? Hell, it was easier to get a gun a hundred years ago then it is today, yet the last twenty to thirty years is where we see all of the shootings.
Javon Belcher could have stabbed his wife and then jumped off a building. If you want to kill someone you will find a way. How many shots were fired on 9/11? Zero. Oklahoma City? Zero. Did we blame airplanes and vans on those days or did we blame the people responsible?
Great post my friend
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Quote Originally Posted by canovsp:
Bob Costas is a piece of sh*t for bringing it up during the game and for bringing it up period. It's easy to blame the gun instead of the person responsible.
He mentioned the gun culture we live in. I agree it is the culture we live in but it isn't the gun culture. Guns have been legal in this country since the founding. How many times in the 50's did a football player kill his wife then himself? How many times in the 1800's were there school shootings? Hell, it was easier to get a gun a hundred years ago then it is today, yet the last twenty to thirty years is where we see all of the shootings.
Javon Belcher could have stabbed his wife and then jumped off a building. If you want to kill someone you will find a way. How many shots were fired on 9/11? Zero. Oklahoma City? Zero. Did we blame airplanes and vans on those days or did we blame the people responsible?
Tree that is cool but read the article on the cop shooting himself, if a cop can do it, then could a 12 year old?
If you have the guns locked up and protected, then they are not providing you protection.......by the time you get to them, it would be too late.
It is a catch 22
If a 7 year police veteran can shoot himself, how about a 12 year old who is home alone? I used this article because it just happened but this happens everyday, it is so common it is not even news.
Again, up to you but you should have your eyes open.
For protection, your safety would be better with a dog, security system, living in a good neighborhood etc...
Cars are dangerous too, there is no doubt about it. but the value of a car for transportation and earning a living for outweigh the risk. It is a risk reward model.
You brought up the Constitution and how it protects our right to bear arms. Do you know why the founders put that right to bear arms in there? It was so we could have the ability to protect ourselves through militia in case we were ever to fact tyranny as they did with England. Go ahead and tell yourself guns do not serve as protection, but we can find plenty of stories where guns have saved lives. Call it a risk, reward model if you will, but I am sure those who have kept their lives due to owning a gun for safety are happy with its reward.
And this naive ignorance that people like Bob Costas has really bothers me. To actually believe that banning guns would get rid of them is borderline retarded. If anything it would only make crime worse as the scarcity of guns would drive people to only kill over them for the illegal gun trade it would create. Look at the crime that stopped once Prohibition was ended. Look at the crime we have over drug trade right now. Marijuana is illegal correct? How hard is it to get a hold if you really want it? Man people scare me..........and they don't even need a gun to do so
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Quote Originally Posted by Crashdavis565:
Tree that is cool but read the article on the cop shooting himself, if a cop can do it, then could a 12 year old?
If you have the guns locked up and protected, then they are not providing you protection.......by the time you get to them, it would be too late.
It is a catch 22
If a 7 year police veteran can shoot himself, how about a 12 year old who is home alone? I used this article because it just happened but this happens everyday, it is so common it is not even news.
Again, up to you but you should have your eyes open.
For protection, your safety would be better with a dog, security system, living in a good neighborhood etc...
Cars are dangerous too, there is no doubt about it. but the value of a car for transportation and earning a living for outweigh the risk. It is a risk reward model.
You brought up the Constitution and how it protects our right to bear arms. Do you know why the founders put that right to bear arms in there? It was so we could have the ability to protect ourselves through militia in case we were ever to fact tyranny as they did with England. Go ahead and tell yourself guns do not serve as protection, but we can find plenty of stories where guns have saved lives. Call it a risk, reward model if you will, but I am sure those who have kept their lives due to owning a gun for safety are happy with its reward.
And this naive ignorance that people like Bob Costas has really bothers me. To actually believe that banning guns would get rid of them is borderline retarded. If anything it would only make crime worse as the scarcity of guns would drive people to only kill over them for the illegal gun trade it would create. Look at the crime that stopped once Prohibition was ended. Look at the crime we have over drug trade right now. Marijuana is illegal correct? How hard is it to get a hold if you really want it? Man people scare me..........and they don't even need a gun to do so
Fact: The United States has less than 5 percent of the world's population. But it has almost a quarter of the world's prisoners.
Fact: The United States has, for instance, 2.3 million criminals behind bars, more than any other nation, according to data maintained by the International Center for Prison Studies at King's College London.
Fact: China, which is four times more populous than the United States, is a distant second, with 1.6 million people in prison.
Now, considering those three facts, do you really want the people of the United States to be unarmed? Especially when you consider this country was founded on government oppression?
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Fact: The United States has less than 5 percent of the world's population. But it has almost a quarter of the world's prisoners.
Fact: The United States has, for instance, 2.3 million criminals behind bars, more than any other nation, according to data maintained by the International Center for Prison Studies at King's College London.
Fact: China, which is four times more populous than the United States, is a distant second, with 1.6 million people in prison.
Now, considering those three facts, do you really want the people of the United States to be unarmed? Especially when you consider this country was founded on government oppression?
There are thousands of studies to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, more guns, more death. The idea of arming everyone has already been tried in the 1880's and predictably, there were a lot of gunfights.
The idea of having a gun in the house is ludicrous. People are more likely to shoot themselves and or each other than any intruder. The idea of a gun providing safety AS IN THIS CASE, is totally and completely untrue. Guns are dangerous, that is all there is to it.
Now you would think I am against guns, right?
Nope, no sir..........
You see, we have a constitution that protects the imbeciles who want to own guns. The constitution is unique and the ultimate answer. If you want to own a gun, go ahead, but do it with your eyes open, that it puts you and your family in danger.
spot on.
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Quote Originally Posted by Crashdavis565:
This always makes me laugh.
Guns are stupid.
People who use them are also stupid, yes, stupid.
There are thousands of studies to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, more guns, more death. The idea of arming everyone has already been tried in the 1880's and predictably, there were a lot of gunfights.
The idea of having a gun in the house is ludicrous. People are more likely to shoot themselves and or each other than any intruder. The idea of a gun providing safety AS IN THIS CASE, is totally and completely untrue. Guns are dangerous, that is all there is to it.
Now you would think I am against guns, right?
Nope, no sir..........
You see, we have a constitution that protects the imbeciles who want to own guns. The constitution is unique and the ultimate answer. If you want to own a gun, go ahead, but do it with your eyes open, that it puts you and your family in danger.
Crash... My 12 yr old has no idea how to shoot a hand gun and would never ever be put in the position to protect herself or make that decision as she's never home alone. It's my job to protect her. She is a pretty good shot with her rifle and enjoys bench shooting and hunting as much as I do I would hate to see that taken away.. Take away guns and they would end up being just like drugs..... Law obiding citizens would be the only ones without them.
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Crash... My 12 yr old has no idea how to shoot a hand gun and would never ever be put in the position to protect herself or make that decision as she's never home alone. It's my job to protect her. She is a pretty good shot with her rifle and enjoys bench shooting and hunting as much as I do I would hate to see that taken away.. Take away guns and they would end up being just like drugs..... Law obiding citizens would be the only ones without them.
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