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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 2:59 PM ET #151

    Quote Originally Posted by Flutiemaniac341:


    22 stabbed in China school today, zero dead!

    Shooting in the USA and 27 dead!

    Yup, guns aren't the problem at all!

    It's disgusting and so disturbing to think that owning a gun is ever a good thing.
    Hey why stop there, get a nuclear bomb in Ur home to defend urselves against the potential red invaders

    Is that a right as well nowadays?!



    Terrible example.  If that guy in China had wanted to get a gun, he could have.  Just like in the US.  I can find weed in less than 5 minutes if I want it and it's illegal.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flutiemaniac341:


    22 stabbed in China school today, zero dead!

    Shooting in the USA and 27 dead!

    Yup, guns aren't the problem at all!

    It's disgusting and so disturbing to think that owning a gun is ever a good thing.
    Hey why stop there, get a nuclear bomb in Ur home to defend urselves against the potential red invaders

    Is that a right as well nowadays?!



    Terrible example.  If that guy in China had wanted to get a gun, he could have.  Just like in the US.  I can find weed in less than 5 minutes if I want it and it's illegal.  
     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 9:00 PM ET #152

    Quote Originally Posted by Crashdavis565:

    This always makes me laugh.
    Guns are stupid.
    People who use them are also stupid, yes, stupid.
    There are thousands of studies to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, more guns, more death. The idea of arming everyone has already been tried in the 1880's and predictably, there were a lot of gunfights.
    The idea of having a gun in the house is ludicrous. People are more likely to shoot themselves and or each other than any intruder. The idea of a gun providing safety AS IN THIS CASE, is totally and completely untrue. Guns are dangerous, that is all there is to it. 
    Now you would think I am against guns, right?
     Nope, no sir..........

    You see, we have a constitution that protects the imbeciles who want to own guns. The constitution is unique and the ultimate answer. If you want to own a gun, go ahead, but do it with your eyes open, that it puts you and your family in danger.

    “We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.”  

    If someone breaks into your home with a gun and the intention of bringing harm to you and your family what are you going to do?  You call the cops and they are 5 minutes away, but what do you do in the mean time while you wait for the men to come rescue your family because you can’t protect them yourself?

    Run around in circles?  Beg for mercy?

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crashdavis565:

    This always makes me laugh.
    Guns are stupid.
    People who use them are also stupid, yes, stupid.
    There are thousands of studies to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, more guns, more death. The idea of arming everyone has already been tried in the 1880's and predictably, there were a lot of gunfights.
    The idea of having a gun in the house is ludicrous. People are more likely to shoot themselves and or each other than any intruder. The idea of a gun providing safety AS IN THIS CASE, is totally and completely untrue. Guns are dangerous, that is all there is to it. 
    Now you would think I am against guns, right?
     Nope, no sir..........

    You see, we have a constitution that protects the imbeciles who want to own guns. The constitution is unique and the ultimate answer. If you want to own a gun, go ahead, but do it with your eyes open, that it puts you and your family in danger.

    “We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.”  

    If someone breaks into your home with a gun and the intention of bringing harm to you and your family what are you going to do?  You call the cops and they are 5 minutes away, but what do you do in the mean time while you wait for the men to come rescue your family because you can’t protect them yourself?

    Run around in circles?  Beg for mercy?

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 10:29 PM ET #153

    Wow-
    what a terrible, horrible thing happened today. My prayers and thoughts to the victims of this crime. I literally broke down and cried as I watched it on TV.
    It brought some things home to me.
    Gun control is not the answer. I know that there will be a knee jerk reaction to this and people will now, again, advocate gun control but it just seems silly. There are millions of guns in America today, what are we to do- remove them from the streets? I stand by statement that gun control is not the answer and the second amendment ( although maybe displaced here) protects our  rights as Americans to own guns. To think that removing 500,000 guns from the street would make a difference is idiotic to me. 
    You cannot rationally explain, irrational behavior. This is one of my favorite sayings and it fits so well here. My friend asked me why someone would do this and that is the answer I gave. It is the only answer that would seem to make sense here.  I have no earthly idea why someone would do this and I cannot even fathom a guess. It is simply put irrational. Lunacy, pure and simple. 
    That is the easy part of this soliloquy. From here it gets much harder. To me, this act today in Connecticut  adds to my argument that one is safer without guns in their house than with guns in their house. You see, guns are dangerous. They kill people very effectively. Now, I get the idea that many of you feel safer owning firearms, that is cool, but I stand by the idea that the firearm is not your friend. To me, the benefit of warding off an intruder is FAR outweighed by the dangers of people acting on impulse, not to mention, just how often accidents happen. 
    This mother, now dead, had 4 guns. I wonder what she was thinking as her own son took that gun and used it against her.  I feel certain, she could not foresee this or she would have taken actions to deter him. That gun, that killed her, and twenty-six   other completely innocent people was probably there for her protection. It probably made her feel safe, just as many of you feel safe with your guns.  You may very well be safer without guns in your house.
    She was a kindergarten teacher. Must have had some good report with youngsters and yet, her own son takes her gun and kills her. This is not predictable. I am trying to appeal to some of you that think, life is predictable, things are predictable and for you, maybe they are. That said, teenagers and 20 year olds act quickly , irrationally and do great harm. If you have guns around, please, please realize the danger they pose to the rest of us.  People make crazy decisions everyday. They act irrationally, on emotions. When this occurs, guns are very, very dangerous. On that point alone, I hope we could all agree.

    Finally, where are the gun advocates now that would have blasted that guy in the theater?  What should we do, arm the teachers? Hire cops for every school? The idea that more guns make us safer still seems strange to me. Again, we tried that once, it was the old west, and it did not help. Removing all the guns made all the difference. 

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    Wow-
    what a terrible, horrible thing happened today. My prayers and thoughts to the victims of this crime. I literally broke down and cried as I watched it on TV.
    It brought some things home to me.
    Gun control is not the answer. I know that there will be a knee jerk reaction to this and people will now, again, advocate gun control but it just seems silly. There are millions of guns in America today, what are we to do- remove them from the streets? I stand by statement that gun control is not the answer and the second amendment ( although maybe displaced here) protects our  rights as Americans to own guns. To think that removing 500,000 guns from the street would make a difference is idiotic to me. 
    You cannot rationally explain, irrational behavior. This is one of my favorite sayings and it fits so well here. My friend asked me why someone would do this and that is the answer I gave. It is the only answer that would seem to make sense here.  I have no earthly idea why someone would do this and I cannot even fathom a guess. It is simply put irrational. Lunacy, pure and simple. 
    That is the easy part of this soliloquy. From here it gets much harder. To me, this act today in Connecticut  adds to my argument that one is safer without guns in their house than with guns in their house. You see, guns are dangerous. They kill people very effectively. Now, I get the idea that many of you feel safer owning firearms, that is cool, but I stand by the idea that the firearm is not your friend. To me, the benefit of warding off an intruder is FAR outweighed by the dangers of people acting on impulse, not to mention, just how often accidents happen. 
    This mother, now dead, had 4 guns. I wonder what she was thinking as her own son took that gun and used it against her.  I feel certain, she could not foresee this or she would have taken actions to deter him. That gun, that killed her, and twenty-six   other completely innocent people was probably there for her protection. It probably made her feel safe, just as many of you feel safe with your guns.  You may very well be safer without guns in your house.
    She was a kindergarten teacher. Must have had some good report with youngsters and yet, her own son takes her gun and kills her. This is not predictable. I am trying to appeal to some of you that think, life is predictable, things are predictable and for you, maybe they are. That said, teenagers and 20 year olds act quickly , irrationally and do great harm. If you have guns around, please, please realize the danger they pose to the rest of us.  People make crazy decisions everyday. They act irrationally, on emotions. When this occurs, guns are very, very dangerous. On that point alone, I hope we could all agree.

    Finally, where are the gun advocates now that would have blasted that guy in the theater?  What should we do, arm the teachers? Hire cops for every school? The idea that more guns make us safer still seems strange to me. Again, we tried that once, it was the old west, and it did not help. Removing all the guns made all the difference. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 10:30 PM ET #154

    One last thing- I promise-
    I had the idea, maybe not gun control but a tax on every hand gun sold in America today, with the proceeds going to a victim advocacy fund. Just an idea. Seems like a good one too.
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    One last thing- I promise-
    I had the idea, maybe not gun control but a tax on every hand gun sold in America today, with the proceeds going to a victim advocacy fund. Just an idea. Seems like a good one too.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2012 - 10:31 PM ET #155

    Now how long til someone takes this totally out of context? OK that is the last thing
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    Now how long til someone takes this totally out of context? OK that is the last thing
     
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    Posted: Dec. 15, 2012 - 3:10 AM ET #156

    So everyone wants to ban guns:

    While were at it, lets ban heroin and meth.....that'll fix the problem....

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    So everyone wants to ban guns:

    While were at it, lets ban heroin and meth.....that'll fix the problem....

     
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    Posted: Dec. 15, 2012 - 3:25 AM ET #157

    Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:

    “We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.”  

    If someone breaks into your home with a gun and the intention of bringing harm to you and your family what are you going to do?  You call the cops and they are 5 minutes away, but what do you do in the mean time while you wait for the men to come rescue your family because you can’t protect them yourself?

    Run around in circles?  Beg for mercy?

    Come on, Crash. We’re all very interested in hearing your answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:

    “We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.”  

    If someone breaks into your home with a gun and the intention of bringing harm to you and your family what are you going to do?  You call the cops and they are 5 minutes away, but what do you do in the mean time while you wait for the men to come rescue your family because you can’t protect them yourself?

    Run around in circles?  Beg for mercy?

    Come on, Crash. We’re all very interested in hearing your answer.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 15, 2012 - 3:40 AM ET #158

    Find house,

    Get out of car

    locate entry

    Locate yard

    establish communication with 911 caller

    initiate search

    determine intruder/friendly......................................................................................................

    Shooter is being very generous with the '5 minutes' We're taling 15 whole minutes at least.

    You're dead.

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    Find house,

    Get out of car

    locate entry

    Locate yard

    establish communication with 911 caller

    initiate search

    determine intruder/friendly......................................................................................................

    Shooter is being very generous with the '5 minutes' We're taling 15 whole minutes at least.

    You're dead.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 15, 2012 - 3:57 AM ET #159

    Another woman with tears rolling down her face walked by carrying a car seat with a young infant inside and a bag that appeared to have toys and stuffed animals.

    Try to process that.

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    Another woman with tears rolling down her face walked by carrying a car seat with a young infant inside and a bag that appeared to have toys and stuffed animals.

    Try to process that.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 15, 2012 - 5:48 AM ET #160

    In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million person and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million 'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ----------------------------- Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million. This happend in 2007 in It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent. Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.



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    In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million person and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million 'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ----------------------------- Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million. This happend in 2007 in It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent. Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.



    Gun control =
     
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    Posted: Dec. 15, 2012 - 10:59 AM ET #161

    So, I explicitly said I DO NOT WANT TO BAN GUNS.

    It is a choice that people make. We make thousands of choices a day. Do we wear a seat belt?
    Do we eat fast food?
    Do we speed?
    Do we drink/gamble/ smoke?

    My point is to try to educate people that their guns are/may be dangerous. My point is your gun that is supposed to protect you, actually, puts you at risk.


    When the intruder comes in my house, what do I do. First of all, this could happen. To say, that this would never happen would be ludicrous. That said, I do not even worry about it. The thought has never even crossed my mind. I live in a nice town, with little crime. We often leave our house open at nights and during the day. In my 25 years of doing this, I have never had a problem.  
    The murder rate last year in my town was 0. I am sure that my chances of being hit by lightning are about the same as someone breaking into my house and confronting me. I do not worry about getting hit by lightning either. When I swim in the ocean, I do not worry about being eaten by sharks.
    Now look, this is a nice story. What if I lived in a town where there was crime? Would I get a gun?
    No, absolutely not. If I was worried like that I would practice reasonable deterrents. I would invest in a lot of outside lighting and a very nice alarm system. I would light up my house like a fu cking Christmas tree. Lights everywhere.  I would set the alarm every night and make it loud as garbage  so that if someone did break in,  it would scare them away. This is not my area of expertise but those are two simple answers that I am sure would be more effective and safer than having guns around. I am sure there are  a lot more easy solutions. 
    The NRA and the  right creates a great deal of unreasonable fear about people breaking into your house. They work on your fear. There were 16,000 murders in the USA last year. There are over 300,000,000 people. That makes the risk about 1 in 45,000. Most of these murders are in the inner city ( Scalabrine will be  here soon) If you look at the murder rate/ burgulary rate in your town, the odds are way in your favor. Remember this- Guns are a catch -22. If you want to use it to protect yourself, that means it must be in reach, loaded and ready to use. If it is locked away, without ammo and secure, then it is not a form of protection. If you have to identify an intruder, go get your gun. Go to get your ammo. Load your gun etc, you might as well call 911. If it is around, loaded and in easy reach, then it is much more likely to be used in a shooting or emotion like this or be used in an accident. It is that simple.

    Finally- just looking at accidental shootings, add in suicides, and killings like these in Connecticut, my point remains, there are better ways to protect yourself and more importantly, your kids. 

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    So, I explicitly said I DO NOT WANT TO BAN GUNS.

    It is a choice that people make. We make thousands of choices a day. Do we wear a seat belt?
    Do we eat fast food?
    Do we speed?
    Do we drink/gamble/ smoke?

    My point is to try to educate people that their guns are/may be dangerous. My point is your gun that is supposed to protect you, actually, puts you at risk.


    When the intruder comes in my house, what do I do. First of all, this could happen. To say, that this would never happen would be ludicrous. That said, I do not even worry about it. The thought has never even crossed my mind. I live in a nice town, with little crime. We often leave our house open at nights and during the day. In my 25 years of doing this, I have never had a problem.  
    The murder rate last year in my town was 0. I am sure that my chances of being hit by lightning are about the same as someone breaking into my house and confronting me. I do not worry about getting hit by lightning either. When I swim in the ocean, I do not worry about being eaten by sharks.
    Now look, this is a nice story. What if I lived in a town where there was crime? Would I get a gun?
    No, absolutely not. If I was worried like that I would practice reasonable deterrents. I would invest in a lot of outside lighting and a very nice alarm system. I would light up my house like a fu cking Christmas tree. Lights everywhere.  I would set the alarm every night and make it loud as garbage  so that if someone did break in,  it would scare them away. This is not my area of expertise but those are two simple answers that I am sure would be more effective and safer than having guns around. I am sure there are  a lot more easy solutions. 
    The NRA and the  right creates a great deal of unreasonable fear about people breaking into your house. They work on your fear. There were 16,000 murders in the USA last year. There are over 300,000,000 people. That makes the risk about 1 in 45,000. Most of these murders are in the inner city ( Scalabrine will be  here soon) If you look at the murder rate/ burgulary rate in your town, the odds are way in your favor. Remember this- Guns are a catch -22. If you want to use it to protect yourself, that means it must be in reach, loaded and ready to use. If it is locked away, without ammo and secure, then it is not a form of protection. If you have to identify an intruder, go get your gun. Go to get your ammo. Load your gun etc, you might as well call 911. If it is around, loaded and in easy reach, then it is much more likely to be used in a shooting or emotion like this or be used in an accident. It is that simple.

    Finally- just looking at accidental shootings, add in suicides, and killings like these in Connecticut, my point remains, there are better ways to protect yourself and more importantly, your kids. 

     
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    My google search of the day.
    https://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/texas/article/Police-Houston-boy-4-accidentally-shoots-self-4113168.php

    https://www.vindy.com/news/2012/dec/14/boy-at-basketball-game-accidentally-shot/?newswatch


    https://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2012/12/police_believe_lansing_teen_ac.html
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    My google search of the day.
    https://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/texas/article/Police-Houston-boy-4-accidentally-shoots-self-4113168.php

    https://www.vindy.com/news/2012/dec/14/boy-at-basketball-game-accidentally-shot/?newswatch


    https://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2012/12/police_believe_lansing_teen_ac.html
     
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    Finally, I have worked in an ER. I have seen so many accidental shootings and gang related shootings. I have never seen an intruder come in who was shot by a home occupant . Never, and we take care of the criminals when they need it. 
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    Finally, I have worked in an ER. I have seen so many accidental shootings and gang related shootings. I have never seen an intruder come in who was shot by a home occupant . Never, and we take care of the criminals when they need it. 
     
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    Crash has been asked multiple times to answer this question:

    “If someone breaks into your home with a gun and the intention of bringing harm to you and your family what are you going to do?  You call the cops and they are 5 minutes away, but what do you do in the mean time while you wait for the men to come rescue your family because you can’t protect them yourself?”

    Do to his inability to answer the question I suppose we can only assume his answer is to run around in circles, beg for mercy for his family and himself, and/or simply accept his and his family’s fate at the hands of violent criminal.

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    Crash has been asked multiple times to answer this question:

    “If someone breaks into your home with a gun and the intention of bringing harm to you and your family what are you going to do?  You call the cops and they are 5 minutes away, but what do you do in the mean time while you wait for the men to come rescue your family because you can’t protect them yourself?”

    Do to his inability to answer the question I suppose we can only assume his answer is to run around in circles, beg for mercy for his family and himself, and/or simply accept his and his family’s fate at the hands of violent criminal.

     
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    My google search of the day:

    https://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/21009244738630/1-year-old-boy-drowns-after-falling-in-family-pool/

    https://clermontcounty.fox19.com/news/news/101304-2-year-old-boy-drowns-stonelick-township-pool

    https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/boy-4-drowns-in-drowns-in-backyard-pool/story-e6frf7kx-1226534378380

    https://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/11/17/girl-2-slips-out-of-house-and-into-pool-drowns/ 

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    My google search of the day:

    https://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/21009244738630/1-year-old-boy-drowns-after-falling-in-family-pool/

    https://clermontcounty.fox19.com/news/news/101304-2-year-old-boy-drowns-stonelick-township-pool

    https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/boy-4-drowns-in-drowns-in-backyard-pool/story-e6frf7kx-1226534378380

    https://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/11/17/girl-2-slips-out-of-house-and-into-pool-drowns/ 

     
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    all good points-
    What would I do if I was faced with an intruder in my house and he had a gun?
    I tried to answer this indirectly but I guess we need a direct answer. The direct answer is I have no earthly idea. None.  What would you do? Does anyone know what they would really do in this situation. I think that you may like to think what you would do but there is no way of knowing what you actually do until you were in that position. This scenario has so many variables, it is even hard to fathom how it would play out. Did they get in your house already? Are they in your bedroom? Do you awaken with a gun in your face? Would you have time to go get your gun? Do you carry it with you from room to room in a holster.
    My point that I have tried to make clearly is this, you are safer without a gun in your house than you are with one. That is it. 
    Do kids drown? Yes they do. I clearly stated that you would have to look at the benefit of a pool and the risk of a pool.
    Do people drink themselves to death? Absolutely. I clearly stated I am not for prohibition or gun control.
    I am trying to give you a reasonable argument your gun does not protect you and in fact, it puts you at risk.If you choose to have a gun, go right ahead. It is your right. Just remember the chances of you using it for some kind of benefit are far outweighed by the chances of an accidental shooting, suicide or a tragedy like just occurred in Connecticut. I do find it comical that MOST PEOPLE who have no training in combat, expect themselves to rationally get a gun, identify an intruder ( in the dark) , and disable them by shooting them.  It may not be that easy. 
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    all good points-
    What would I do if I was faced with an intruder in my house and he had a gun?
    I tried to answer this indirectly but I guess we need a direct answer. The direct answer is I have no earthly idea. None.  What would you do? Does anyone know what they would really do in this situation. I think that you may like to think what you would do but there is no way of knowing what you actually do until you were in that position. This scenario has so many variables, it is even hard to fathom how it would play out. Did they get in your house already? Are they in your bedroom? Do you awaken with a gun in your face? Would you have time to go get your gun? Do you carry it with you from room to room in a holster.
    My point that I have tried to make clearly is this, you are safer without a gun in your house than you are with one. That is it. 
    Do kids drown? Yes they do. I clearly stated that you would have to look at the benefit of a pool and the risk of a pool.
    Do people drink themselves to death? Absolutely. I clearly stated I am not for prohibition or gun control.
    I am trying to give you a reasonable argument your gun does not protect you and in fact, it puts you at risk.If you choose to have a gun, go right ahead. It is your right. Just remember the chances of you using it for some kind of benefit are far outweighed by the chances of an accidental shooting, suicide or a tragedy like just occurred in Connecticut. I do find it comical that MOST PEOPLE who have no training in combat, expect themselves to rationally get a gun, identify an intruder ( in the dark) , and disable them by shooting them.  It may not be that easy. 
     
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    Do you really believe a hidden gun provides you more protection than a well equipped and armed alarm system? Do you straight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crashdavis565:

    all good points-
    What would I do if I was faced with an intruder in my house and he had a gun?
    I tried to answer this indirectly but I guess we need a direct answer. The direct answer is I have no earthly idea. None.  What would you do? Does anyone know what they would really do in this situation. I think that you may like to think what you would do but there is no way of knowing what you actually do until you were in that position. This scenario has so many variables, it is even hard to fathom how it would play out. Did they get in your house already? Are they in your bedroom? Do you awaken with a gun in your face? Would you have time to go get your gun? Do you carry it with you from room to room in a holster.
    My point that I have tried to make clearly is this, you are safer without a gun in your house than you are with one. That is it. 
    Do kids drown? Yes they do. I clearly stated that you would have to look at the benefit of a pool and the risk of a pool.
    Do people drink themselves to death? Absolutely. I clearly stated I am not for prohibition or gun control.
    I am trying to give you a reasonable argument your gun does not protect you and in fact, it puts you at risk.If you choose to have a gun, go right ahead. It is your right. Just remember the chances of you using it for some kind of benefit are far outweighed by the chances of an accidental shooting, suicide or a tragedy like just occurred in Connecticut. I do find it comical that MOST PEOPLE who have no training in combat, expect themselves to rationally get a gun, identify an intruder ( in the dark) , and disable them by shooting them.  It may not be that easy. 

    “I tried to answer this indirectly but I guess we need a direct answer. The direct answer is I have no earthly idea. None.”

    (i.e run around in circles, beg for mercy for your family and yourself, and/or simply accept your and your family’s fate at the hands of violent criminal)

    “What would you do? Does anyone know what they would really do in this situation.”

    What would I do if someone broke into my house with a gun and tried to hurt/kill me or mine?  I would do everything I could to see they got riddled with rounds of Winchester Ranger .45 ACP 230 grain T-Series JHP.  I sure as hell wouldn’t throw myself at the mercy of a violent criminal.

    You can offer up all the “what if’s” you want but the fact of the matter is if a criminal breaks into your house with the intention of hurting/killing your family the guy with a gun and the knowledge to properly use it is going to stand a better chance of survival than the unarmed man that “has no earthly idea” what they would do to protect themselves or their families.

    “My point that I have tried to make clearly is this, you are safer without a gun in your house than you are with one.”

    If you are a moron that is clueless when it comes to firearm safety and don’t know how to properly use and store it, then yes, you’re probably better off without a gun in your home.

    However, if you’re a responsible gun owner that knows how to properly use your firearm then no, you’re probably safer with a gun in your house.

    “I am trying to give you a reasonable argument your gun does not protect you and in fact, it puts you at risk.”

    If you are talking about me specifically then you have failed miserably in your attempt. I am a responsible gun owner that has taken numerous firearm training courses.

    “Just remember the chances of you using it for some kind of benefit are far outweighed by the chances of an accidental shooting, suicide or a tragedy”

    Like I said earlier: if you’re a moronic gun owner then yeah.  But if you’re a responsible gun owner that knows how to properly use and store your firearm then no.

    “…a tragedy like just occurred in Connecticut. I do find it comical that…”

    I know you didn’t mean anything by it, but that might not have been the best choice of words.

     

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    all good points-
    What would I do if I was faced with an intruder in my house and he had a gun?
    I tried to answer this indirectly but I guess we need a direct answer. The direct answer is I have no earthly idea. None.  What would you do? Does anyone know what they would really do in this situation. I think that you may like to think what you would do but there is no way of knowing what you actually do until you were in that position. This scenario has so many variables, it is even hard to fathom how it would play out. Did they get in your house already? Are they in your bedroom? Do you awaken with a gun in your face? Would you have time to go get your gun? Do you carry it with you from room to room in a holster.
    My point that I have tried to make clearly is this, you are safer without a gun in your house than you are with one. That is it. 
    Do kids drown? Yes they do. I clearly stated that you would have to look at the benefit of a pool and the risk of a pool.
    Do people drink themselves to death? Absolutely. I clearly stated I am not for prohibition or gun control.
    I am trying to give you a reasonable argument your gun does not protect you and in fact, it puts you at risk.If you choose to have a gun, go right ahead. It is your right. Just remember the chances of you using it for some kind of benefit are far outweighed by the chances of an accidental shooting, suicide or a tragedy like just occurred in Connecticut. I do find it comical that MOST PEOPLE who have no training in combat, expect themselves to rationally get a gun, identify an intruder ( in the dark) , and disable them by shooting them.  It may not be that easy. 

    “I tried to answer this indirectly but I guess we need a direct answer. The direct answer is I have no earthly idea. None.”

    (i.e run around in circles, beg for mercy for your family and yourself, and/or simply accept your and your family’s fate at the hands of violent criminal)

    “What would you do? Does anyone know what they would really do in this situation.”

    What would I do if someone broke into my house with a gun and tried to hurt/kill me or mine?  I would do everything I could to see they got riddled with rounds of Winchester Ranger .45 ACP 230 grain T-Series JHP.  I sure as hell wouldn’t throw myself at the mercy of a violent criminal.

    You can offer up all the “what if’s” you want but the fact of the matter is if a criminal breaks into your house with the intention of hurting/killing your family the guy with a gun and the knowledge to properly use it is going to stand a better chance of survival than the unarmed man that “has no earthly idea” what they would do to protect themselves or their families.

    “My point that I have tried to make clearly is this, you are safer without a gun in your house than you are with one.”

    If you are a moron that is clueless when it comes to firearm safety and don’t know how to properly use and store it, then yes, you’re probably better off without a gun in your home.

    However, if you’re a responsible gun owner that knows how to properly use your firearm then no, you’re probably safer with a gun in your house.

    “I am trying to give you a reasonable argument your gun does not protect you and in fact, it puts you at risk.”

    If you are talking about me specifically then you have failed miserably in your attempt. I am a responsible gun owner that has taken numerous firearm training courses.

    “Just remember the chances of you using it for some kind of benefit are far outweighed by the chances of an accidental shooting, suicide or a tragedy”

    Like I said earlier: if you’re a moronic gun owner then yeah.  But if you’re a responsible gun owner that knows how to properly use and store your firearm then no.

    “…a tragedy like just occurred in Connecticut. I do find it comical that…”

    I know you didn’t mean anything by it, but that might not have been the best choice of words.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crashdavis565:

    Do you really believe a hidden gun provides you more protection than a well equipped and armed alarm system? Do you straight?

    You’ve been watching too many of those ridiculous ADT home security commercials where the white guy breaks into someone’s house, the alarm goes off, the criminal is looking right at the family, and then of course the criminal runs off without harming the family.

    You rely on your loud noise that sends police to come save you and your family from the bad men.  Maybe you, your family, and the criminal can play a board game while you wait for the police to show up.

    I’ll rely on my loud noise, my 90 pound GSD, AND my Ed Brown 1911.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crashdavis565:

    Do you really believe a hidden gun provides you more protection than a well equipped and armed alarm system? Do you straight?

    You’ve been watching too many of those ridiculous ADT home security commercials where the white guy breaks into someone’s house, the alarm goes off, the criminal is looking right at the family, and then of course the criminal runs off without harming the family.

    You rely on your loud noise that sends police to come save you and your family from the bad men.  Maybe you, your family, and the criminal can play a board game while you wait for the police to show up.

    I’ll rely on my loud noise, my 90 pound GSD, AND my Ed Brown 1911.

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2012 - 7:47 PM ET #170

    Good for you. I hope it works out for you.
    So tell me, do you have easy access to your gun and do you have kids?

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    Good for you. I hope it works out for you.
    So tell me, do you have easy access to your gun and do you have kids?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger_Woods:

    Guns aren't the problem. People are the problem.


    Quit making shitty people and the problem will go away. Agree 100%
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    Guns aren't the problem. People are the problem.


    Quit making shitty people and the problem will go away. Agree 100%
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crashdavis565:

    Good for you. I hope it works out for you.
    So tell me, do you have easy access to your gun and do you have kids?

    No, but with the holidays there are some running around.  I keep my home defense handgun in a gun vault on my nightstand and the rest in a gun safe.  

    I hope it works out for you as well.  Hopefully you’ll never have to find out if a loud noise is enough to protect you from an armed criminal intending you harm.

     

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    Good for you. I hope it works out for you.
    So tell me, do you have easy access to your gun and do you have kids?

    No, but with the holidays there are some running around.  I keep my home defense handgun in a gun vault on my nightstand and the rest in a gun safe.  

    I hope it works out for you as well.  Hopefully you’ll never have to find out if a loud noise is enough to protect you from an armed criminal intending you harm.

     

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