TO WHO? 

 

Try answering a question instead of posting the same crap and links over and over.

Obviously you live for this .....otherwise you wouldn't have made an alias when you were banned before as GBP. ..............Yet you have never talked sports on a Sports Forum......Try answering that. 

Pathetic. 

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Thanks for proving my point.  

President Obama
We quickly learned that the Sept. 11 attacks were carried out by Al Qaeda — an organization headed by Osama bin Laden,

But let us be clear: al Qaeda killed nearly 3,000 people on that day

These are not opinions to be debated; these are facts to be dealt with.


Try to understand, these are speeches by President Obama, stating Al Queda headed by OBL

so don't say

Hey Kap..don't you think it's a little odd OBL was never officially charged for 9/11?

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden


Any evidence you received is from the media, correct? Therefore if I'm not mistaken it is circumstantial evidence. Otherwise you have no direct evidence al-Qaeda did it. So based on circumstantial evidence you already passed judgement on a group? That's not being objective buddy.

coldsnap55

These are not opinions to be debated; these are facts to be dealt with

speeches written by underwriters

Ok, so "the man" got his intelligence from the same sources who claimed WMD's in Iraq/Afghan and such...

 

Fine...if "the man" says so....it is. You give the prez too much credit. How much power can the prez hold when his term is up every 4 years while the old folks behind the scenes have been there practically forever?

 

It is so pointless to try and ask questions in this thread when the responses are......

A.  Rolling heads

B. Name calling

C. Changing the subject

D. Picking and choosing which ones to answer

E. My video and link counts.Yours doesn't

F. You must believe EVERY conspiracy theory EVER if you ask that.

 

And my favorite answer of all........

"THE TAPES ARE NOT GOVERNMENT PROPERTY AND THEY ARE NOT FREE TO RELEASE THEM. THEY ARE THE PROPERTY OF THE COMPANY THAT MADE THEM."

 

Great answer.   That subject should be put to bed then.

 

 

Very entertaining and informative thread.

11. No one says that the NIST had an operating budget for fiscal year 2007 (October 1, 2006-September 30, 2007) of about $843.3 million. NIST's 2009 budget was $992 million, but it also received $610 million as part of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. The United States government funds the National Institute of Standards and Technology, and bush and cheney funded them. The United States government paid to have an investigation conducted on them selves by an agency owned and funded by the United States government. Why wasn’t an independent investigation used?

No one can answer why do THOUSANDS of physicists, scientists, engineers, architects, police officers, firefighters, medical professionals, and military officers, veterans and the 911 family members disagree and dispute the 911-commission report and the National Institute of Standards and Technology? If what the government says is fact…how can facts be disputed by these people? You can’t dispute fact but for some reason these people seem to?

Architects ands engineers for 911 truth conducted

an extremely thorough three-year investigation that included consideration of a number of hypotheses for the collapses of the WTC towers.

Some 1,693 INDEPENDENT technical experts (Not appointed by bush and cheney)

1,000s of physicists, scientists, engineers, architects, police officers, firefighters, medical professionals, and military officers, veterans and the 911 family members disagree and dispute the 911-commission report and the National Institute of Standards and Technology?

They reviewed tens of thousands of documents,

reviewed 7,000 segments of video footage

and 7,000 photographs,

analyzed 236 pieces of steel from the wreckage ( What was left over after it was destroyed)

, performed laboratory tests,

and created sophisticated computer simulations of the sequence of events that occurred from the moment the aircraft struck the towers until they began to collapse.

you fail to understand this ( that’s 1,693 experts that represent the 911 families and dispute the NIST)
https://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/footage.html

I can’t give you any other links because the corporate media is owned and funded by the united states government. http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php Back in Thomas Jefferson’s day Americans where the shepherds.

Jesse Ventura was 38th Governor of Minnesota 1999 - 2003. Member of U.S. Navy Underwater Demolition Team 12 (precursor to SEAL) 1969 - 1975. Brent Blanchard is some desk jockey that has a mouth full of government balls. Brent Blanchard Demolition Expert using Legos. He’s been DEBUNKED already! 1000s of experts question his one sided expertise. I want someone who asks questions not takes the governments word for it.

Plus all the research on both sides is inconclusive because the government destroyed all the evidence.

WTC Steel Removal
The Expeditious Destruction of the Evidence at Ground Zero

Steel was the structural material of the buildings. As such it was the most important evidence to preserve in order to puzzle out how the structures held up to the impacts and fires, but then disintegrated into rubble. Since no steel-framed buildings had ever collapsed due to fires, the steel should have been subjected to detailed analysis. So what did the authorities do with this key evidence of the vast crime and unprecedented engineering failure? They recycled it!

Some 185,101 tons of structural steel have been hauled away from Ground Zero. Most of the steel has been recycled as per the city's decision to swiftly send the wreckage to salvage yards in New Jersey. The city's hasty move has outraged many victims' families who believe the steel should have been examined more thoroughly. Last month, fire experts told Congress that about 80% of the steel was scrapped without being examined because investigators did not have the authority to preserve the wreckage. 1  

The bulk of the steel was apparently shipped to China and India. The Chinese firm Baosteel purchased 50,000 tons at a rate of $120 per ton, compared to an average price of $160 paid by local mills in the previous year. 2  

Mayor Bloomberg, a former engineering major, was not concerned about the destruction of the evidence:
If you want to take a look at the construction methods and the design, that's in this day and age what computers do. Just looking at a piece of metal generally doesn't tell you anything. 3  

The pace of the steel's removal was very rapid, even in the first weeks after the attack. By September 29, 130,000 tons of debris -- most of it apparently steel -- had been removed. 4  

During the official investigation controlled by FEMA, one hundred fifty pieces of steel were saved for future study. 5   One hundred fifty pieces out of hundreds of thousands of pieces! Moreover it is not clear who made the decision to save these particular pieces. It is clear that the volunteer investigators were doing their work at the Fresh Kills dump, not at Ground Zero, so whatever steel they had access to was first picked over by the people running the cleanup operation.
Highly Sensitive Garbage

Given that the people in charge considered the steel garbage, useless to any investigation in this age of computer simulations, they certainly took pains to make sure it didn't end up anywhere other than a smelting furnace. They installed GPS locater devices on each of the trucks that was carrying loads away from Ground Zero, at a cost of $1000 each. The securitysolutions.com website has an article on the tracking system with this passage.

Ninety-nine percent of the drivers were extremely driven to do their jobs. But there were big concerns, because the loads consisted of highly sensitive material. One driver, for example, took an extended lunch break of an hour and a half. There was nothing criminal about that, but he was dismissed. 6  
Shielding Investigators From the Evidence

According to FEMA, more than 350,000 tons of steel were extracted from Ground Zero and barged or trucked to salvage yards where it was cut up for recycling. Four salvage yards were contracted to process the steel.

    Hugo Nue Schnitzer at Fresh Kills (FK) Landfill, Staten Island, NJ
    Hugo Nue Schnitzer's Claremont (CM) Terminal in Jersey City, NJ
    Metal Management in Newark (NW), NJ
    Blanford and Co. in Keasbey (KB), NJ

FEMA's BPAT, who wrote the WTC Building Performance Study, were not given access to Ground Zero. Apparently, they were not even allowed to collect steel samples from the salvage yards. According to Appendix D of the Study:
Collection and storage of steel members from the WTC site was not part of the BPS Team efforts sponsored by FEMA and the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE).

8. The Suppression of Video Footage of the Pentagon Attack, Videos Outside the Pentagon Seized, and Lawsuits to Obtain Videos. Why doesn’t the government release all the videos that we know exist via the freedom of information act? I’d like the 84 tapes but I will settle for the tapes the American people own and that’s the 10 pentagon surveillance tapes. I’ve said this 10 damn times on covers? Why is it that 911 believers don’t want to see a plane crash it to the pentagon? How come you dumb ass indoctrinated sheep don’t want proof?
https://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/footage.html

good intel to take out OBL

Thanks BMA I needed to see that. I laughed hysterically every 15 minutes. That was the biggest bunch of gullible bullshit I have ever seen. It answered nothing. No one can answer what I present.

No one can answer my questions. Everyone is to fuckin gullible and stupid to ask the right questions.

All you can do is post government bullshit with sheep presidents Clinton and Obama. Red and Blue sheep.

You can’t answer anything I post BMA.

Still waiting for you government sheep to dispute all 14 things one at a time!

I love the sheep say "Just because of the government lied about a thousand other things doesn't mean they lied about this!" Argument.

this is actually what I said

can you provide a link to an official government website where there is a statement declaring 84 unreleased Pentagon videos

alternatively could you provide a link to a quality USA newspaper for a news release and story on unreleased 84 tapes. A link to the Washington Post, USA Today, Wall Street Journal, New York Times, etc
so that we can read about that non release of those tapes.

If it can't be collaborated then please

Contact the White House

President Obama is committed to creating the most open and accessible administration in American history. To send questions, comments, concerns, or well-wishes to the President or his staff, please use the form below.

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https://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/footage.html

I can’t give you any other links because the corporate media is owned and funded by the united states government. https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php Back in Thomas Jefferson’s day Americans where the shepherds.

Ive posted this multiple times. What you want can't be done because of the political repercussions.

I forgot to put that on my list....Thanks for reminding me.

 

A.  Rolling heads

B. Name calling

C. Changing the subject

D. Picking and choosing which ones to answer

E. My video and link counts.Yours doesn't

F. You must believe EVERY conspiracy theory EVER if you ask that.

G. Answering questions with questions. 

I don't want the white house....

I want you to go down all 14 things and answer them one at a time! I saw you select Jesse ventura but ignored the rest? WHY?

What's the matter BMA? You need someone else to create an answer for you?

The 911 families already had conversations with the president and the director of the FBI. They were told...I don't know, i don't have an answer for you, i'm not of liberty to say, and it's a matter of national security!

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/statements/byruling/false/

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/browse/

What do you know obama lies!

please show examples of B

G.  not so

requiring verification of the facts in the question, before one can answer that, believing the facts in the statement to be unsubstantiated, is both correct and reasonable

You have a problem with "B" ....But are OK with the rest?...Too funny.

 

My list was not just about you ....Which also amuses me that you would think that.

 

MoneySRH   has more patience than I do.....I'll let him put up with your nonsense and social needs.

 

  Got any bets I can tail tonight?

"I love the sheep say "Just because of the government lied about a thousand other things doesn't mean they lied about this!" Argument"

Are you calling me a sheep SRH? I've been nothing but respectful to you in discussing this, but if you continue to call me a sheep then I don't think we are going to be able to discuss this in a reasoned fashion.

I tend to think reasonable minds can disagree on something like this. Do you? Or is every single person who disagrees with you or thinks that al-Qaeda was responsible for 9/11 unreasonable?

No I'm not calling you a sheep Kapono. That comment was directed at Hutch and BMA. You're different than them. You're more open to my perspective. You will directly respond to my questions and information. They on the other scan and select what to debate about that doesn't expose them to accepting my perspective. The president does the same thing...plausible deniability. If you ignore it..it can't be true. If you don't answer it...you can't get exposed. I poked holes in everything they threw at me. They can't do the same.

Not many people know that, after September 11, 2001, Osama bin Laden issued a statement on tape that he had nothing to do with the attacks on America and that such actions were against the teachings of Islam. Americans were prevented from accessing this information because we were told that Osama could possibly have an embedded "secret code" in the tape that would alert other terrorists cells to "activate" and target other American cities.

Here is the transcript of what you were not allowed to hear from Osama binLaden's own mouth:

 

" I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. ... The American system is totally in control of the person, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States." (25)

Later, another video tape miraculously appeared to validate his guilt in the attacks. The video tape, showing a man who was allegedly Osama bin Laden discussing and bragging about his rold in the 9-11 attacks, was shown on American television along with Arabic-English translations of the conversations. Did you know that this tape has since been recognized as a fake? Not many news media reported this. The "Osama" in the tape is actually a known Egyptian militant who is not as tall and much too heavy to be Osama. I'll just bet you didn't know that tape was a fake! It wasn't reported on CNN.

Now we have had another audio tape allegedly from Osama. We were told that it is "proof" that he committed the 9-11 attacks. The "Osama" voice is apparently saying that the so-called 10th hijacker who was charged in American courts is actually innocent, but the real purpose of the tape is to acknowledge Osama's admission of ordering the 9-11 attacks. Well, hold on because now it appears that this tape is also fake. It's yet another Bush disinformation camapign to make people angry at Islamics and Arabs and to continue the blame game and justify the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq as a prelude to yet another miserable war in Iran.

But... read for yourself...

Bin Laden:   AUTHENTIC INTERVIEW

or is it? 

BMA

These are not opinions to be debated; these are facts to be dealt with

They will put this and post a government response in 10 consecutive posts to hide the debate of him losing. Maybe a sheep response from Clinton or Obama. 

If you ignore it..it can't be true. If you don't answer it...you can't get exposed. That's what I expect hutch and BMA to do.

On March 29, 2006, on The Tony Snow Show, Vice President Dick Cheney stated: "We've never made the case, or argued the case, that somehow Osama Bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming."

Back on September 16, 2001, Cheney had said he would willingly accept bin Laden's "head on a platter".

Dick Cheney