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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2012 - 2:47 AM ET #426


    NIST   members

    Valentine Junker

    Mr. Junker acted as the WTC Investigation team's liaison in New York charged with helping with the identification of relevant visual material, interfacing with copyright holders, receiving and forwarding to NIST photographs and videos to be used for investigative purposes, and obtaining necessary copyright releases.  Mr. Junker was uniquely qualified for this position based on more than 15 years in the information technology field, with emphasis on digital workflow and image capture, storage, and reproduction technologies and extensive experience in the collection of visual material related to the World Trade Center disaster.   As a volunteer, he worked extensively with the Here Is New York exhibition that chronicled the events of September 11th in a number of shows worldwide.  His responsibilities included developing approaches for acquiring photos and videos, developing procedures for handling material, and specifying and setting up the computer systems used to digitize and archive various forms of photos and video.  Through his efforts with Here Is New York, Mr. Junker became associated with the SEAoNY and FEMA World Trade Center Building Performance Study (BPS).  Initially, he acted as the liaison between the Here Is New York exhibition and the BPS team, but ultimately his duties grew until he was the primary person responsible for the BPAT team's efforts to secure photo and videographic imagery and for establishing a database of images.  He was instrumental in obtaining the necessary copyright releases for images published in the BPS team's final report.

    Vincent Dunn
    Retired FDNY, Consultant, Educator, and Fire Service Writer, Building Construction and Fire Department Operations
     
    Mr. Dunn has more than 40 years experience with the New York City Fire Department (FDNY) as a firefighter and fire officer in midtown New York City working with fire fighting operations and rescue of building occupants.  His work included daily activities associated with the protection of occupants and safe fire service operations in high rise buildings.  Mr. Dunn's fire service career includes responsibilities as a Battalion Chief, and Deputy Chief where he managed operations and personnel in Division 7 and Division 3 of FDNY.  He has been involved with the firefighter training, fire safety directors, and New York City building codes.  Mr. Dunn is a nationally recognized authority on fire fighting operations in tall buildings, the safety of firefighters related to structural fire fighting, and the collapse of structures.  He is a member of NFPA and several other professional organizations.  Mr. Dunn is a contributing editor for Firehouse Magazine, and holds a Masters Degree from Queens College, City University of New York.

    John J. Hodgens
    Retired FDNY, Consultant, Fire Science and Fire Department Operations
     
    Mr. Hodgens has more than 30 years experience as a career firefighter and officer in lower and midtown Manhattan, Brooklyn, and Staten Island in New York City.  Mr. Hodgens was the FDNY Technology Manager and Chief of Fire Prevention and worked with World Trade Center fire fighting technology, fire prevention processes, fire safety directors, and operations.  As a Citywide Tour Commander, Mr. Hodgens has extensive command level working knowledge of the New York City Fire Department.  He was also a member of the New York City, World Trade Center Code Revision Committee following the terrorist attack on the Trade Center, in 1993.  He has also worked closely with NFPA, Life Safety Codes.  He has written journal articles on "Fire Command" and "Safe Use of Elevators During Fires."  Mr. Hodgens is a graduate of New York City Community College of the City University of New York in Brooklyn, and John Jay College in Manhattan, New York City.
     
    Kevin S. Malley
    Retired FDNY, Fire Science Program Coordinator, Assistant Professor of Fire Science, New Jersey City University
     
    Mr. Malley has more than 20 years experience as a career firefighter and fire officer in Manhattan, Harlem, and South Bronx.  He has worked closely with the FDNY firefighter training program and was the Director of Human Performance for FDNY.  He has extensive experience and knowledge related to the physical performance of firefighters, health and safety of firefighters, and the capabilities of firefighters and their equipment when operating in life saving and fire fighting environments.  He worked with the NFPA Committee on Structural Fire Fighting Protective Clothing and Equipment and the NFPA Committee on Special Operations Protective Clothing and Equipment.  Mr. Malley has also worked with the training of high-rise building Fire Safety Directors.  He was a Guest Researcher for FDNY at NIST, in 1998.  He has written numerous publications for the fire service concerning firefighter health and safety.  Mr. Malley is a graduate of Columbia University and holds a Masters Degree from Queens College.  He is currently an Assistant Professor of Fire Science at New Jersey City University.

    and others, full profile available on the NIST Web Site



    Dr. S. Shyam Sunder  Lead Technical Investigator

     Dr. William L. Grosshandler    
    Investigation of Active Fire Protection Systems

    Dr. Hai S. Lew    
    Analysis of Building and Fire Codes and Practices

    Richard Bukowski  Analysis of Building and Fire Codes and Practices

    Dr. Fahim H. Sadek  Structural Engineer
    Materials and Construction Research

    Frank W. Gayle   Mechanical and Metallurgical Analysis of Structural Steel
    Baseline Structural Performance and Aircraft Impact Damage Prediction

    Dr. Richard G. Gann 
    Reconstruction of Thermal and Tenability Environment

    Dr. John L. Gross Structural Fire Response and Collapse

    Dr. Therese P. McAllister  Structural Fire Response and Collapse

    Jason D. Averill  Occupant Behavior, Egress, and Emergency Communications

    Randy Lawson  Fire Service Technologies and Guidelines


    Harold E. Nelson  Fire Protection Engineering Expert


    Stephen A. Cauffman  Materials and Construction Research



    All these experts would have had to been part of any conspiracy theory






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    NIST   members

    Valentine Junker

    Mr. Junker acted as the WTC Investigation team's liaison in New York charged with helping with the identification of relevant visual material, interfacing with copyright holders, receiving and forwarding to NIST photographs and videos to be used for investigative purposes, and obtaining necessary copyright releases.  Mr. Junker was uniquely qualified for this position based on more than 15 years in the information technology field, with emphasis on digital workflow and image capture, storage, and reproduction technologies and extensive experience in the collection of visual material related to the World Trade Center disaster.   As a volunteer, he worked extensively with the Here Is New York exhibition that chronicled the events of September 11th in a number of shows worldwide.  His responsibilities included developing approaches for acquiring photos and videos, developing procedures for handling material, and specifying and setting up the computer systems used to digitize and archive various forms of photos and video.  Through his efforts with Here Is New York, Mr. Junker became associated with the SEAoNY and FEMA World Trade Center Building Performance Study (BPS).  Initially, he acted as the liaison between the Here Is New York exhibition and the BPS team, but ultimately his duties grew until he was the primary person responsible for the BPAT team's efforts to secure photo and videographic imagery and for establishing a database of images.  He was instrumental in obtaining the necessary copyright releases for images published in the BPS team's final report.

    Vincent Dunn
    Retired FDNY, Consultant, Educator, and Fire Service Writer, Building Construction and Fire Department Operations
     
    Mr. Dunn has more than 40 years experience with the New York City Fire Department (FDNY) as a firefighter and fire officer in midtown New York City working with fire fighting operations and rescue of building occupants.  His work included daily activities associated with the protection of occupants and safe fire service operations in high rise buildings.  Mr. Dunn's fire service career includes responsibilities as a Battalion Chief, and Deputy Chief where he managed operations and personnel in Division 7 and Division 3 of FDNY.  He has been involved with the firefighter training, fire safety directors, and New York City building codes.  Mr. Dunn is a nationally recognized authority on fire fighting operations in tall buildings, the safety of firefighters related to structural fire fighting, and the collapse of structures.  He is a member of NFPA and several other professional organizations.  Mr. Dunn is a contributing editor for Firehouse Magazine, and holds a Masters Degree from Queens College, City University of New York.

    John J. Hodgens
    Retired FDNY, Consultant, Fire Science and Fire Department Operations
     
    Mr. Hodgens has more than 30 years experience as a career firefighter and officer in lower and midtown Manhattan, Brooklyn, and Staten Island in New York City.  Mr. Hodgens was the FDNY Technology Manager and Chief of Fire Prevention and worked with World Trade Center fire fighting technology, fire prevention processes, fire safety directors, and operations.  As a Citywide Tour Commander, Mr. Hodgens has extensive command level working knowledge of the New York City Fire Department.  He was also a member of the New York City, World Trade Center Code Revision Committee following the terrorist attack on the Trade Center, in 1993.  He has also worked closely with NFPA, Life Safety Codes.  He has written journal articles on "Fire Command" and "Safe Use of Elevators During Fires."  Mr. Hodgens is a graduate of New York City Community College of the City University of New York in Brooklyn, and John Jay College in Manhattan, New York City.
     
    Kevin S. Malley
    Retired FDNY, Fire Science Program Coordinator, Assistant Professor of Fire Science, New Jersey City University
     
    Mr. Malley has more than 20 years experience as a career firefighter and fire officer in Manhattan, Harlem, and South Bronx.  He has worked closely with the FDNY firefighter training program and was the Director of Human Performance for FDNY.  He has extensive experience and knowledge related to the physical performance of firefighters, health and safety of firefighters, and the capabilities of firefighters and their equipment when operating in life saving and fire fighting environments.  He worked with the NFPA Committee on Structural Fire Fighting Protective Clothing and Equipment and the NFPA Committee on Special Operations Protective Clothing and Equipment.  Mr. Malley has also worked with the training of high-rise building Fire Safety Directors.  He was a Guest Researcher for FDNY at NIST, in 1998.  He has written numerous publications for the fire service concerning firefighter health and safety.  Mr. Malley is a graduate of Columbia University and holds a Masters Degree from Queens College.  He is currently an Assistant Professor of Fire Science at New Jersey City University.

    and others, full profile available on the NIST Web Site



    Dr. S. Shyam Sunder  Lead Technical Investigator

     Dr. William L. Grosshandler    
    Investigation of Active Fire Protection Systems

    Dr. Hai S. Lew    
    Analysis of Building and Fire Codes and Practices

    Richard Bukowski  Analysis of Building and Fire Codes and Practices

    Dr. Fahim H. Sadek  Structural Engineer
    Materials and Construction Research

    Frank W. Gayle   Mechanical and Metallurgical Analysis of Structural Steel
    Baseline Structural Performance and Aircraft Impact Damage Prediction

    Dr. Richard G. Gann 
    Reconstruction of Thermal and Tenability Environment

    Dr. John L. Gross Structural Fire Response and Collapse

    Dr. Therese P. McAllister  Structural Fire Response and Collapse

    Jason D. Averill  Occupant Behavior, Egress, and Emergency Communications

    Randy Lawson  Fire Service Technologies and Guidelines


    Harold E. Nelson  Fire Protection Engineering Expert


    Stephen A. Cauffman  Materials and Construction Research



    All these experts would have had to been part of any conspiracy theory






     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2012 - 5:08 AM ET #427

    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyMacR:




    You're a fairly stupid person, BMA. 

    Fairly stupid?

    He thinks building 7 collapsed at free fall speed after being hit be debris from the two buildings.

    In other words, he is an ignorant gullible fucking idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyMacR:




    You're a fairly stupid person, BMA. 

    Fairly stupid?

    He thinks building 7 collapsed at free fall speed after being hit be debris from the two buildings.

    In other words, he is an ignorant gullible fucking idiot.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2012 - 6:44 AM ET #428

    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyMacR:


    Fuck you.

    My parents are dead. I'm 64 years old, with bachelors and master's degrees in business. I'm an airline transport pilot and a college lecturer in business.

    What about you? 

    Histrionic personality disorder. It's sad
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyMacR:


    Fuck you.

    My parents are dead. I'm 64 years old, with bachelors and master's degrees in business. I'm an airline transport pilot and a college lecturer in business.

    What about you? 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2012 - 7:14 AM ET #429

     doggieunder    Your a disgrace to everything american and everyone who perished there asshole
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     doggieunder    Your a disgrace to everything american and everyone who perished there asshole
     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2012 - 9:03 AM ET #430

    send your evidence here,give the links to the videos

    Please don't say the Democrats were in on it as well


    submit here
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    send your evidence here,give the links to the videos

    Please don't say the Democrats were in on it as well


    submit here
     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2012 - 9:05 AM ET #431

     Why did NIST conduct this investigation?

    NIST scientists and engineers are world-renowned experts in analyzing a building’s failure and determining the most probable technical cause. Since NIST is not a regulatory agency and does not issue building standards or codes, it is viewed as a neutral, “third party” investigator.

    Under the National Construction Safety Team (NCST) Act, NIST investigations are conducted to establish the likely technical causes of the building failure and evaluate the technical aspects of evacuation and emergency response procedures in the wake of such failures. The goal is to recommend improvements to the way in which buildings are designed, constructed, maintained, and used.

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     Why did NIST conduct this investigation?

    NIST scientists and engineers are world-renowned experts in analyzing a building’s failure and determining the most probable technical cause. Since NIST is not a regulatory agency and does not issue building standards or codes, it is viewed as a neutral, “third party” investigator.

    Under the National Construction Safety Team (NCST) Act, NIST investigations are conducted to establish the likely technical causes of the building failure and evaluate the technical aspects of evacuation and emergency response procedures in the wake of such failures. The goal is to recommend improvements to the way in which buildings are designed, constructed, maintained, and used.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2012 - 9:06 AM ET #432

    Did NIST consult with outside experts during the investigation?

    NIST marshaled world-class technical expertise from both within and outside the agency. External experts were drawn from academia, practice, and government, and used on an as-needed basis in various phases of the investigation.

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    Did NIST consult with outside experts during the investigation?

    NIST marshaled world-class technical expertise from both within and outside the agency. External experts were drawn from academia, practice, and government, and used on an as-needed basis in various phases of the investigation.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2012 - 9:11 AM ET #433

    Profile: Brent Blanchard
    Brent Blanchard was a participant or observer in the following events:
    August 8, 2006: No Explosives Used in WTC Collapse, Says Demolition Industry Leader
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    Brent Blanchard, a leading professional and writer in the controlled demolition industry, publishes a 12-page report that says it refutes claims that the World Trade Center was destroyed with explosives.

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    The report is published on ImplosionWorld.com, a demolition industry website edited by Blanchard. Blanchard is also director of field operations for Protec Documentation Services, Inc., a company specializing in monitoring construction-related demolitions.

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     In his report, Blanchard says that Protec had portable field seismographs in “several sites in Manhattan and Brooklyn” on 9/11. He says they did not show the “spikes” that would have been caused by explosions in the towers.
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     Blanchard also takes aim at the claim that Building 7 of the WTC was demolished, writing: “Several demolition teams had reached Ground Zero by 3:00 pm on 9/11, and these individuals witnessed the collapse of WTC 7 within a few hundred feet of the event. We have spoken with several who possess extensive experience in demolition, and all reported hearing or seeing nothing to indicate an explosive detonation precipitating the collapse.”
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    Profile: Brent Blanchard
    Brent Blanchard was a participant or observer in the following events:
    August 8, 2006: No Explosives Used in WTC Collapse, Says Demolition Industry Leader
    Edit event 
    ##########################

    Brent Blanchard, a leading professional and writer in the controlled demolition industry, publishes a 12-page report that says it refutes claims that the World Trade Center was destroyed with explosives.

    ########################################


    The report is published on ImplosionWorld.com, a demolition industry website edited by Blanchard. Blanchard is also director of field operations for Protec Documentation Services, Inc., a company specializing in monitoring construction-related demolitions.

    ########################################


     In his report, Blanchard says that Protec had portable field seismographs in “several sites in Manhattan and Brooklyn” on 9/11. He says they did not show the “spikes” that would have been caused by explosions in the towers.
    ########################################

     Blanchard also takes aim at the claim that Building 7 of the WTC was demolished, writing: “Several demolition teams had reached Ground Zero by 3:00 pm on 9/11, and these individuals witnessed the collapse of WTC 7 within a few hundred feet of the event. We have spoken with several who possess extensive experience in demolition, and all reported hearing or seeing nothing to indicate an explosive detonation precipitating the collapse.”
     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2012 - 9:15 AM ET #434

     Brent Blanchard is demonstrating what would be required to demolish buildings,

     an expert is showing how columns have to be exposed and drilled etc and explains the actual work that needs to be done,.

     expert explains what is required to set charges through out a building

    He answers the question


    Q  if Dr Evil wanted to rig and blow these buildings how would he do it

    A   buildings the columns, he says you cant just stick explosives on,

     you have to cut into the column to lay high velocity explosives that cut through steel,

     a lot of preparation for each column

     In the twin towers you would have had to repeated this to hundreds of columns ,

     a lot of explosive material,

    a lot of people who know exactly what to do

    ,who had a lot time,

    guys come in precut the girders

     and wire the whole building ,

    and this had to take place under the nose of everyone working in the buildings
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     Brent Blanchard is demonstrating what would be required to demolish buildings,

     an expert is showing how columns have to be exposed and drilled etc and explains the actual work that needs to be done,.

     expert explains what is required to set charges through out a building

    He answers the question


    Q  if Dr Evil wanted to rig and blow these buildings how would he do it

    A   buildings the columns, he says you cant just stick explosives on,

     you have to cut into the column to lay high velocity explosives that cut through steel,

     a lot of preparation for each column

     In the twin towers you would have had to repeated this to hundreds of columns ,

     a lot of explosive material,

    a lot of people who know exactly what to do

    ,who had a lot time,

    guys come in precut the girders

     and wire the whole building ,

    and this had to take place under the nose of everyone working in the buildings
     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2012 - 9:17 AM ET #435

    Brent Blanchard is an expert on buildings demolition and has written peer review papers.
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2012 - 2:58 PM ET #436

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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2012 - 3:02 PM ET #437

    Building 7 fell to the ground at free fall speed, was not hit by a plane... and people think this is reasonable.


    Larry Silverstein admits they demolished the building here


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    Building 7 fell to the ground at free fall speed, was not hit by a plane... and people think this is reasonable.


    Larry Silverstein admits they demolished the building here


     
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    Obviously they had explosives in place already to pull the building you blind sheep.


    Stop being a bunch of pathetic retards and wake up to the truth already.
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    Obviously they had explosives in place already to pull the building you blind sheep.


    Stop being a bunch of pathetic retards and wake up to the truth already.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2012 - 3:06 PM ET #439

      People naive enough to think the government would not kill its own people to back their own agenda.


     No footage at all of a plane hitting the pentagon, the most heavily guarded building in the world.

    yea right apes


    Those planes should have been intercepted by fighter jets and run back for a TD instead they were allowed to waltz into the end zone untouched???

    This would be like Patrick Willis and Ray Lewis standing there smiling while a running back runs through the middle of the defense and them not budging one inch.
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      People naive enough to think the government would not kill its own people to back their own agenda.


     No footage at all of a plane hitting the pentagon, the most heavily guarded building in the world.

    yea right apes


    Those planes should have been intercepted by fighter jets and run back for a TD instead they were allowed to waltz into the end zone untouched???

    This would be like Patrick Willis and Ray Lewis standing there smiling while a running back runs through the middle of the defense and them not budging one inch.
     
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    Bwahahaha Paddy got boxed. Awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    Bwahahaha Paddy got boxed. Awesome.

    Just as he should have. These two think only their opinion counts. Can you imagine how fucked their minds are? I mean Dog actually wants people put in jail for not believing and agreeing with him

    And he has the balls to talk about freedoms?

    Histrionic personality disorder. It's sad
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    Bwahahaha Paddy got boxed. Awesome.

    Just as he should have. These two think only their opinion counts. Can you imagine how fucked their minds are? I mean Dog actually wants people put in jail for not believing and agreeing with him

    And he has the balls to talk about freedoms?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogunder:

    Building 7 fell to the ground at free fall speed, was not hit by a plane... and people think this is reasonable.


    Larry Silverstein admits they demolished the building here



    Curiously the sheep have no explanation for this

    Instead they just continue spewing venomous nonsense

    "Theres no conspiracy because cnn tells the truth, etc"

    sad
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogunder:

    Building 7 fell to the ground at free fall speed, was not hit by a plane... and people think this is reasonable.


    Larry Silverstein admits they demolished the building here



    Curiously the sheep have no explanation for this

    Instead they just continue spewing venomous nonsense

    "Theres no conspiracy because cnn tells the truth, etc"

    sad
     
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    did Larry Silverstein, a real estate developer, have the world’s largest fire department at his beck and call?

     Of course not. Larry Silverstein had no say in how firefighting operations in New York City were conducted.


    Who made the decision to pull? They. The fire department

    they pull their people away from buildings that are too dangerous to be near



    During an interview in 2002 for the PBS documentary America Rebuilds: A Year at Ground Zero, Mr. Silverstein said this about the fate of building 7 on 9/11:
    "I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse." –Larry Silverstein
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    did Larry Silverstein, a real estate developer, have the world’s largest fire department at his beck and call?

     Of course not. Larry Silverstein had no say in how firefighting operations in New York City were conducted.


    Who made the decision to pull? They. The fire department

    they pull their people away from buildings that are too dangerous to be near



    During an interview in 2002 for the PBS documentary America Rebuilds: A Year at Ground Zero, Mr. Silverstein said this about the fate of building 7 on 9/11:
    "I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse." –Larry Silverstein
     
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    Here’s a much-reprinted quote from FDNY Chief of Operations Daniel Nigro:


    The biggest decision we had to make was to clear the area and create a collapse zone around the severely damaged [WTC 7] building

    . A number of fire officers and companies assessed the damage to the building.

    The appraisals indicated that the building’s integrity was in serious doubt. [Fire Engineering magazine, 10/2002]

    The most important operational decision to be made that afternoon was [that] the collapse [Of the WTC towers] had damaged 7 World Trade Center, which is about a 50 story building, at Vesey between West Broadway and Washington Street.


    It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we [wouldn't] lose any more people.


    We continued to operate on what we could from that distance and approximately an hour and a half after that order was [given], at 5:30 in the afternoon, 7 World Trade Center collapsed completely. https://tinyurl.com/g8c6y

    That’s certainly straightforward. Building 7 was severely damaged and had severe, uncontrollable fires, and the FDNY withdrew its firefighters to protect their safety.

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    Here’s a much-reprinted quote from FDNY Chief of Operations Daniel Nigro:


    The biggest decision we had to make was to clear the area and create a collapse zone around the severely damaged [WTC 7] building

    . A number of fire officers and companies assessed the damage to the building.

    The appraisals indicated that the building’s integrity was in serious doubt. [Fire Engineering magazine, 10/2002]

    The most important operational decision to be made that afternoon was [that] the collapse [Of the WTC towers] had damaged 7 World Trade Center, which is about a 50 story building, at Vesey between West Broadway and Washington Street.


    It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we [wouldn't] lose any more people.


    We continued to operate on what we could from that distance and approximately an hour and a half after that order was [given], at 5:30 in the afternoon, 7 World Trade Center collapsed completely. https://tinyurl.com/g8c6y

    That’s certainly straightforward. Building 7 was severely damaged and had severe, uncontrollable fires, and the FDNY withdrew its firefighters to protect their safety.

     
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    Again and again, “pull” is how firefighters and EMTs describe the afternoon withdrawal from the area in and around WTC 7.

    In the accounts , excluding Larry Silverstein’s,

     “pull” is used 26 times to refer to the withdrawal of WTC firefighting operations. 23 of those references are about WTC 7


    . Add Silverstein’s statement and we’ve got 28 references to “pull” meaning “withdraw.” Details are in the appendix. My survey was by no means exhaustive.

    Here’s a summary of the first-person accounts I’ve read:

    People who specifically mention the severity of the WTC 7 fires    35
    People who specifically mention the extensive damage to WTC 7    25
    People who mention the FDNY order to withdraw from WTC 7 area    92
    Number of times “Pull” is used to mean “withdraw rescuers”    28
    Number of people who use “Pull” to mean “withdraw rescuers”    16
    Other witnesses who say the collapse of WTC 7 was expected    28   
        Total   208
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    Pull  means Withdrawl
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    Again and again, “pull” is how firefighters and EMTs describe the afternoon withdrawal from the area in and around WTC 7.

    In the accounts , excluding Larry Silverstein’s,

     “pull” is used 26 times to refer to the withdrawal of WTC firefighting operations. 23 of those references are about WTC 7


    . Add Silverstein’s statement and we’ve got 28 references to “pull” meaning “withdraw.” Details are in the appendix. My survey was by no means exhaustive.

    Here’s a summary of the first-person accounts I’ve read:

    People who specifically mention the severity of the WTC 7 fires    35
    People who specifically mention the extensive damage to WTC 7    25
    People who mention the FDNY order to withdraw from WTC 7 area    92
    Number of times “Pull” is used to mean “withdraw rescuers”    28
    Number of people who use “Pull” to mean “withdraw rescuers”    16
    Other witnesses who say the collapse of WTC 7 was expected    28   
        Total   208
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    Pull  means Withdrawl
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogunder:


    Curiously the sheep have no explanation for this

    Instead they just continue spewing venomous nonsense

    "Theres no conspiracy because cnn tells the truth, etc"

    sad


    You're so stupid it's amazing.  You're being critical of other people for believing the media yet all you've done in this entire thread is post youtube videos and spew your non-sense.

    You're worse then the sheep you criticize!


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    Curiously the sheep have no explanation for this

    Instead they just continue spewing venomous nonsense

    "Theres no conspiracy because cnn tells the truth, etc"

    sad


    You're so stupid it's amazing.  You're being critical of other people for believing the media yet all you've done in this entire thread is post youtube videos and spew your non-sense.

    You're worse then the sheep you criticize!


     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2012 - 4:43 PM ET #447

    Hey idiot...

    Can you explain why building 7 came down at free fall speed?

    You fucking monkey, didnt think so

    Because you are stcuk to the original story and are unable to deviate from it because your mind is too puny to understand simple scientific concepts.
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    Hey idiot...

    Can you explain why building 7 came down at free fall speed?

    You fucking monkey, didnt think so

    Because you are stcuk to the original story and are unable to deviate from it because your mind is too puny to understand simple scientific concepts.
     
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    People cant refute the evidence all they can say is stupid shit
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    BMA you are so fucking dumb

    Brainless mindless zombie who believes everything the government and their representatives say

    you're fucking ridiculous


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    BMA you are so fucking dumb

    Brainless mindless zombie who believes everything the government and their representatives say

    you're fucking ridiculous


     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canada_Chris:



    You're so stupid it's amazing.  You're being critical of other people for believing the media yet all you've done in this entire thread is post youtube videos and spew your non-sense.

    You're worse then the sheep you criticize!


    Give it up. Dog has been brainwashed! Youtube is his domain and every video posted on youtube is 100 percent accurate. Even the ones he post from Islamic groups!

    Still sad that Dog believes Americans should be jailed for not agreeing with him! I mean how sick and UN-American is that?

    There is not a thing wrong with Dog having his opinion on this topic nor him having his beliefs. It is sad that he started this whole thread and in the very FIRST post says anyone who does not agree with him is stupid! Then has the balls to tell people to have and open mind when he does not!

    Histrionic personality disorder. It's sad
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    You're so stupid it's amazing.  You're being critical of other people for believing the media yet all you've done in this entire thread is post youtube videos and spew your non-sense.

    You're worse then the sheep you criticize!


    Give it up. Dog has been brainwashed! Youtube is his domain and every video posted on youtube is 100 percent accurate. Even the ones he post from Islamic groups!

    Still sad that Dog believes Americans should be jailed for not agreeing with him! I mean how sick and UN-American is that?

    There is not a thing wrong with Dog having his opinion on this topic nor him having his beliefs. It is sad that he started this whole thread and in the very FIRST post says anyone who does not agree with him is stupid! Then has the balls to tell people to have and open mind when he does not!

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