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I mean if you owe your local a dime, and its settlement day will he take a payment or half?
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What do you do if you can't pay your bookie?
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#2
You need to have a damned good excuse for being short and it need not be because you were dumb and bet more than you could afford to pay or anything like that. I booked action years ago and nothing pissed me off more than somebody not paying because they didnt have the money they risked. That to me meant that they played against me with my own money. Either way they were not gonna lose.If a player I dealt with for years had it problem I could help him but a new player better come up with the cash even if he had to pawn his car title or whatever. Good luck and do the right thing but whatever you do DONT not call or avoid him because that only makes it worse.
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#3
Bet the Hook
As soon as they make the call it is the books money either way.
Eyeball
Call him tell him your short. Have a plan on when you will pay and stick to it. Hopefully you didn't just beat him for money and now owe and don't have it. That is not good. But he should know by now what you may be able to pay or not. If you got half pay him tell him when you will have the rest. Be honest and he may even suprise you and let you still play. Remember bad weeks happen to everyone. Pay him what you owe, that is how respect is earned.
GL
As soon as they make the call it is the books money either way.
Eyeball
Call him tell him your short. Have a plan on when you will pay and stick to it. Hopefully you didn't just beat him for money and now owe and don't have it. That is not good. But he should know by now what you may be able to pay or not. If you got half pay him tell him when you will have the rest. Be honest and he may even suprise you and let you still play. Remember bad weeks happen to everyone. Pay him what you owe, that is how respect is earned.
GL
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Quote Originally Posted by eyeball:
I mean if you owe your local a dime, and its settlement day will he take a payment or half?
I mean if you owe your local a dime, and its settlement day will he take a payment or half?
The truth of the matter is he doesn't really have a choice but to take half..a very small percentage of books are going to do anything to you physically if you dont pay them, running a book is against the law and if they mess with you they know they can get in a lot of trouble...nothing against bet the hook, but if a book asked me to sell my car to pay him id tell him to lick my nuts! you let him know that he will get paid and you make an effort to pay him.
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Quote Originally Posted by Jasontc:
The truth of the matter is he doesn't really have a choice but to take half..a very small percentage of books are going to do anything to you physically if you dont pay them, running a book is against the law and if they mess with you they know they can get in a lot of trouble...nothing against bet the hook, but if a book asked me to sell my car to pay him id tell him to lick my nuts! you let him know that he will get paid and you make an effort to pay him.
its been years since i closed up shop, but there were plenty of times i had clients that couldnt pay. you better believe i gave them all kinds of suggestions to settle up with me. ive had dozens of guys get title loans on their vehicles to settle up. id tell them to go into their 401 k's, id run their credit and find out if they were candidates for personal loans, find out who in their family they could borrow the money from..all kinds of things. the bottome line is that you can probably come up with the money to settle up if you really want to. i would have guys call me on tuesday telling me that they are short and by friday, they would suddenly have what they need. utilize your resources and youd be amazed what you can come up with.
if a client told me to lick their nuts after suggesting that take a certain course of action to settle up, then i wouldnt think twice about taking a little action. im not talking physical violence, because there are other, much more effective ways that can persuade someone to take care of their business. bottom line is when you win, you expect to get paid, so put yourself in your bookie's shoes. it is all about respect.
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Quote Originally Posted by DaimondD:
its been years since i closed up shop, but there were plenty of times i had clients that couldnt pay. you better believe i gave them all kinds of suggestions to settle up with me. ive had dozens of guys get title loans on their vehicles to settle up. id tell them to go into their 401 k's, id run their credit and find out if they were candidates for personal loans, find out who in their family they could borrow the money from..all kinds of things. the bottome line is that you can probably come up with the money to settle up if you really want to. i would have guys call me on tuesday telling me that they are short and by friday, they would suddenly have what they need. utilize your resources and youd be amazed what you can come up with.
if a client told me to lick their nuts after suggesting that take a certain course of action to settle up, then i wouldnt think twice about taking a little action. im not talking physical violence, because there are other, much more effective ways that can persuade someone to take care of their business. bottom line is when you win, you expect to get paid, so put yourself in your bookie's shoes. it is all about respect.
I've been around the block a few times and seen all kind of situations, never have i seen anyone physically harmed because they couldn't pay their book, i've seen some harassment and some phone calls but nothing serious..a good friend of mine was a book for years, he got stiffed a bunch of times, it's part of the game. If i owed money that i couldn't pay i sure as hell would never sell my car, i would go to my guy and explain the situation and give him what i had and set up some kind of payment plan.
You mention there are other effective ways to get money from someone other than physical violence, when you go that route you have to be prepared for that person to come right back at you..if my car or house was defaced then i would know who did it and then i have to do what i have to do..bookies have homes and families that they want protected also..i think most of them will take a loss before they decide to really get down to battle, i think it's easy for people to say what they would do if someone stiffed them but much harder to actually do it, most people have too much to lose.
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#7
've been around the block a few times and seen all kind of situations,
never have i seen anyone physically harmed because they couldn't pay
their book
It is done all the time.
I had a guy steal a car and end up in jail. I didn't suggest that he do it but he got sent to the wrong jail. Another guy used the wrong names he had to move. Their are other ways but defacing property is high school. You get in deep enough with the wrong guy and you will have huge problems.
It is done all the time.
I had a guy steal a car and end up in jail. I didn't suggest that he do it but he got sent to the wrong jail. Another guy used the wrong names he had to move. Their are other ways but defacing property is high school. You get in deep enough with the wrong guy and you will have huge problems.0
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#8
Quote Originally Posted by Jasontc:
I've been around the block a few times and seen all kind of situations, never have i seen anyone physically harmed because they couldn't pay their book, i've seen some harassment and some phone calls but nothing serious..a good friend of mine was a book for years, he got stiffed a bunch of times, it's part of the game. If i owed money that i couldn't pay i sure as hell would never sell my car, i would go to my guy and explain the situation and give him what i had and set up some kind of payment plan.
You mention there are other effective ways to get money from someone other than physical violence, when you go that route you have to be prepared for that person to come right back at you..if my car or house was defaced then i would know who did it and then i have to do what i have to do..bookies have homes and families that they want protected also..i think most of them will take a loss before they decide to really get down to battle, i think it's easy for people to say what they would do if someone stiffed them but much harder to actually do it, most people have too much to lose.
like i said, i would never use violence or any threat of violence. and yes, anyone in the game knows that bad bets are a part of it. but going into it with the mindset that i can just tell my bookie i cant pay if i lose and ill be allright? if everyone thought that way, then how many bookies would be in business? its the people that pay up that keep books going. my point is that you can come up with the money if you want to. i dont care if it means selling your car as a last resort. you should have never put yourself in the situation to begin with. if you made the bet knowing that you couldnt pay if you lost, then you are completely disrespecting the man that is going to pay you if you win. you have no business even making the bet to begin with. the first two years i was taking action, i had numerous weeks where my players hammered me. i never gave them excuses why i couldnt pay. i did what i had to do and they got their money. it works the same way on the other end. so lets say you owe me money and you tell me you cant pay. i see you a week later driving a $30,000 car. you bet your ass im gonna suggest you sell it, pay me, and go buy a $10,000 car to get around in.
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Quote Originally Posted by tep:
've been around the block a few times and seen all kind of situations, never have i seen anyone physically harmed because they couldn't pay their book
It is done all the time. I had a guy steal a car and end up in jail. I didn't suggest that he do it but he got sent to the wrong jail. Another guy used the wrong names he had to move. Their are other ways but defacing property is high school. You get in deep enough with the wrong guy and you will have huge problems.
've been around the block a few times and seen all kind of situations, never have i seen anyone physically harmed because they couldn't pay their book
It is done all the time.
I had a guy steal a car and end up in jail. I didn't suggest that he do it but he got sent to the wrong jail. Another guy used the wrong names he had to move. Their are other ways but defacing property is high school. You get in deep enough with the wrong guy and you will have huge problems.Im sure there are guys out there who would be willing to cause huge problems but i've never seen one. I think if you go to your man and give them something and then agree to settle up the rest you are going to avoid any big problems.
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Quote Originally Posted by DaimondD:
like i said, i would never use violence or any threat of violence. and yes, anyone in the game knows that bad bets are a part of it. but going into it with the mindset that i can just tell my bookie i cant pay if i lose and ill be allright? if everyone thought that way, then how many bookies would be in business? its the people that pay up that keep books going. my point is that you can come up with the money if you want to. i dont care if it means selling your car as a last resort. you should have never put yourself in the situation to begin with. if you made the bet knowing that you couldnt pay if you lost, then you are completely disrespecting the man that is going to pay you if you win. you have no business even making the bet to begin with. the first two years i was taking action, i had numerous weeks where my players hammered me. i never gave them excuses why i couldnt pay. i did what i had to do and they got their money. it works the same way on the other end. so lets say you owe me money and you tell me you cant pay. i see you a week later driving a $30,000 car. you bet your ass im gonna suggest you sell it, pay me, and go buy a $10,000 car to get around in.
I agree with the idea that everyone should pay what they owe, when i was in high school and thru my early 20's i had to borrow money from my family a few times to pay what i owed to my book, i maxed out credit cards as well..i did it because i felt responsible. I also find nothing wrong with what you said about asking a guy to trade in his car for something cheaper so he can pay you..nothing wrong with that at all..but i would never go without a car to pay a gambling debt, realistically people have to get to work, to the grocery store, to the doctor etc.
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#12
Quote Originally Posted by DaimondD:
like i said, i would never use violence or any threat of violence. and yes, anyone in the game knows that bad bets are a part of it. but going into it with the mindset that i can just tell my bookie i cant pay if i lose and ill be allright? if everyone thought that way, then how many bookies would be in business? its the people that pay up that keep books going. my point is that you can come up with the money if you want to. i dont care if it means selling your car as a last resort. you should have never put yourself in the situation to begin with. if you made the bet knowing that you couldnt pay if you lost, then you are completely disrespecting the man that is going to pay you if you win. you have no business even making the bet to begin with. the first two years i was taking action, i had numerous weeks where my players hammered me. i never gave them excuses why i couldnt pay. i did what i had to do and they got their money. it works the same way on the other end. so lets say you owe me money and you tell me you cant pay. i see you a week later driving a $30,000 car. you bet your ass im gonna suggest you sell it, pay me, and go buy a $10,000 car to get around in.
There's a stand-up local who did prison time because he robbed a bank to payoff some winners. So it goes both ways...
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#13
Quote Originally Posted by Jasontc:
I've been around the block a few times and seen all kind of situations, never have i seen anyone physically harmed because they couldn't pay their book, i've seen some harassment and some phone calls but nothing serious..a good friend of mine was a book for years, he got stiffed a bunch of times, it's part of the game. If i owed money that i couldn't pay i sure as hell would never sell my car, i would go to my guy and explain the situation and give him what i had and set up some kind of payment plan.
You mention there are other effective ways to get money from someone other than physical violence, when you go that route you have to be prepared for that person to come right back at you..if my car or house was defaced then i would know who did it and then i have to do what i have to do..bookies have homes and families that they want protected also..i think most of them will take a loss before they decide to really get down to battle, i think it's easy for people to say what they would do if someone stiffed them but much harder to actually do it, most people have too much to lose.
you havent been around the block too much. based on what your saying id say your pretty clueless when it comes to books and how they deal with those who cant pay
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Quote Originally Posted by raymour:
you havent been around the block too much. based on what your saying id say your pretty clueless when it comes to books and how they deal with those who cant pay
I can only speak about the experiences that myself and others around me have had over many years in the Washington dc metro area. Im sticking with the belief that not a damn thing will happen if you go to your book with some money and a plan to pay them the rest. I cant even begin to count how many people i have known over the years who owed money they couldn't pay to various local books..nobody ever moved out of town, sold their car, or had any other serious issues arise because of it. Im sure there are people out there that handle their business differently and would cause some major problems for you if you couldn't pay them but i think they are a small percentage of books.
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#15
Just call your man and tell him you are short and it can not be helped. Give him what you can and no bs. Most books nowadays have better things to do than beat you up. First off the cops, irs,books do not need that heat. Just be honest. He does not want to lose you as a customer.Next he should have a limit on all of his players. If your making 2500 per month,your limit should be no more than 250 per week. All books like long term guys,so than can bleed you for years.
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Quote Originally Posted by Jasontc:
The truth of the matter is he doesn't really have a choice but to take half..a very small percentage of books are going to do anything to you physically if you dont pay them, running a book is against the law and if they mess with you they know they can get in a lot of trouble...nothing against bet the hook, but if a book asked me to sell my car to pay him id tell him to lick my nuts! you let him know that he will get paid and you make an effort to pay him.
YOU REALLY BELIEVE THIS? IF SO YOU HAVE NEVER REALLY DEALT WITH A GOOD COLLECTOR.
GOT AS JOB FIRED
GOT A BOSS ..WHO WILL KNOW YOUR SITUATION
HAVE A WIFE THAT...BE ON THE HORN WITH HER BOSS
GOT A KID THAT GOES TO SCHOOL......BE TALKING WITH A PRINCIPLE ABOUT POPS ISSUE
YOU HAVE ANY NEIGHBORS.........THEY WILL BE KNOWING YOUR SITUATION
I CAN GO ON IF YOU LIKE.......
THIS WILL AMOUNT TO YOU PAYING AS MUCH AND AS FAST AS YOU CAN. TRUST ME.
AND THE AUTHORITIES THAT WONT DO SHIT.
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Quote Originally Posted by DaimondD:
its been years since i closed up shop, but there were plenty of times i had clients that couldnt pay. you better believe i gave them all kinds of suggestions to settle up with me. ive had dozens of guys get title loans on their vehicles to settle up. id tell them to go into their 401 k's, id run their credit and find out if they were candidates for personal loans, find out who in their family they could borrow the money from..all kinds of things. the bottome line is that you can probably come up with the money to settle up if you really want to. i would have guys call me on tuesday telling me that they are short and by friday, they would suddenly have what they need. utilize your resources and youd be amazed what you can come up with.
if a client told me to lick their nuts after suggesting that take a certain course of action to settle up, then i wouldnt think twice about taking a little action. im not talking physical violence, because there are other, much more effective ways that can persuade someone to take care of their business. bottom line is when you win, you expect to get paid, so put yourself in your bookie's shoes. it is all about respect.
WELL SAID D
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#23
Quote Originally Posted by eyeball:
I am going to call him and offer him 1/2 this week and I can pay him the other 1/2 next week. I feel confident he will take it. What else can he do?
FROM NOW ON I AM JUST GOING POST UP TO ONE OF THE BOOKS NO MORE CREDIT!!!!!
I WAS STUPID TO DO THIS
I am going to call him and offer him 1/2 this week and I can pay him the other 1/2 next week. I feel confident he will take it. What else can he do?
FROM NOW ON I AM JUST GOING POST UP TO ONE OF THE BOOKS NO MORE CREDIT!!!!!
I WAS STUPID TO DO THIS
with this plan you will have no issues.........MATTER OF FACT YOUR BUSINESS WILL BE WELCOME BACK.
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Quote Originally Posted by cwjr:
YOU REALLY BELIEVE THIS? IF SO YOU HAVE NEVER REALLY DEALT WITH A GOOD COLLECTOR.
GOT AS JOB FIRED
GOT A BOSS ..WHO WILL KNOW YOUR SITUATION
HAVE A WIFE THAT...BE ON THE HORN WITH HER BOSS
GOT A KID THAT GOES TO SCHOOL......BE TALKING WITH A PRINCIPLE ABOUT POPS ISSUE
YOU HAVE ANY NEIGHBORS.........THEY WILL BE KNOWING YOUR SITUATION
I CAN GO ON IF YOU LIKE.......
THIS WILL AMOUNT TO YOU PAYING AS MUCH AND AS FAST AS YOU CAN. TRUST ME.
AND THE AUTHORITIES THAT WONT DO SHIT.
I dont believe that shit works, i think the book has too much to risk if he wants to play that game..as i said before, go to your book, give him what you have and come up with a plan to pay the rest..thats the best way to handle it if there is no other way.
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Quote Originally Posted by Jasontc:
I dont believe that shit works, i think the book has too much to risk if he wants to play that game..as i said before, go to your book, give him what you have and come up with a plan to pay the rest..thats the best way to handle it if there is no other way.
I AGREE PAY WHAT YOU STICK TO A PLAN AND NO ISSUES
BUT IF YOU DONT THE ABOVE WORKS.....TRUST ME......I WILL FIND YOUR PRESSURE POINT.
AGAIN DOING THESE THINGS THERE ISNT DICK THATS GOING TO HAPPEN TO A BOOK.DO YOU THINK CAUSE SOME GUY CALLS THE POLICE THAT SOME BOOK ITSAUTOMACTICALLY GOING TO GET BUSTED..HELL NO. YOUR WATCHING TO MUCH TV.
ANYWAYS JUST PAY WHAT YOU CAN AND ALL WILL BE FINE. THE LICK MY NUTS WONT WORK THO
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