My Miz +1000 ticket was graded as "cancelled" because the match was originally announced as a double count-out, then restarted, and Miz was announced as the final victor.
So I went to live chat to ask why it was not ruled a Miz win. I was told to ask for Tony on live chat tomorrow. Below is my conversation with him:
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My Miz +1000 ticket was graded as "cancelled" because the match was originally announced as a double count-out, then restarted, and Miz was announced as the final victor.
So I went to live chat to ask why it was not ruled a Miz win. I was told to ask for Tony on live chat tomorrow. Below is my conversation with him:
*****: Hi Tony, thanks for taking the time to talk with me this morning, I know you are a busy guy. Tony: how can I help you today? *****: I
was hoping to talk with you about your teams' decision to grade last
night Miz tickets on Wrestlemania as a "cancelled" rather than a "win" *****: Would it be possible to reconsider this decision? *****: I have been a long-time customer of 5dimes Tony: no, all decision are final Tony: and that decision is the correct one *****: And while I hate saying it, I don't think I've ever withdrawn any funds on my account and have deposited regularly Tony: if you can't live with my decisions on such events, ...do not bet on them *****: Well I was told that if I had any questions or concerns to ask you, so I was attempting to do so *****: The official WWE website lists Miz as defeating Cena Tony: did you watch the event? *****: Would it be possible to work something out like having you grade the ticket a winner and putting a roll over on it perhaps? *****: Yes of course Tony: and who did they announce as the winner in the fight initially ? *****: Initially it was announced as a double count-out, but the final decision as announced by the ring announcer was a Miz victory *****: Which is what is stated on the WWE website itself *****: I'm not looking to hit and run on you here Tony *****: I was hoping to have the funds available to risk on baseball this year Tony: 5Dimes does not recognize suspended games, protests, overturned decisions, etc., for wagering purposes.
*****: Hi Tony, thanks for taking the time to talk with me this morning, I know you are a busy guy. Tony: how can I help you today? *****: I
was hoping to talk with you about your teams' decision to grade last
night Miz tickets on Wrestlemania as a "cancelled" rather than a "win" *****: Would it be possible to reconsider this decision? *****: I have been a long-time customer of 5dimes Tony: no, all decision are final Tony: and that decision is the correct one *****: And while I hate saying it, I don't think I've ever withdrawn any funds on my account and have deposited regularly Tony: if you can't live with my decisions on such events, ...do not bet on them *****: Well I was told that if I had any questions or concerns to ask you, so I was attempting to do so *****: The official WWE website lists Miz as defeating Cena Tony: did you watch the event? *****: Would it be possible to work something out like having you grade the ticket a winner and putting a roll over on it perhaps? *****: Yes of course Tony: and who did they announce as the winner in the fight initially ? *****: Initially it was announced as a double count-out, but the final decision as announced by the ring announcer was a Miz victory *****: Which is what is stated on the WWE website itself *****: I'm not looking to hit and run on you here Tony *****: I was hoping to have the funds available to risk on baseball this year Tony: 5Dimes does not recognize suspended games, protests, overturned decisions, etc., for wagering purposes.
******: Hence why I suggested the compromise of a roll-over requirement on a graded ticket? Tony: as soon as it is announced a "draw", it is graded Tony: there is no compromise Tony: some people lose Tony: some people win Tony: that is it ******: But it wasn't graded immediately Tony, until 10 minutes after the event ended ******: Every other match was graded immediately except that one Tony: as i was in the car on the way home and got a phone call Tony: i watched the tape Tony: and i rendered the decision ******: Right ******: I understand that Tony: as i said at the start of this chat ******: There has to be a guy who says "yes or no" Tony: when people complain about my decisons, all it does it make me not want to offer these events Tony: people want to bet on them, then cry when anything they deem as marginal doesn't go their way ******: I
understand that. I wasn't trying to complain Tony, I was just hoping to
be able to ask you to reconsider your decision. If you are saying "no I
won't" then OK, I understand that. Tony: as per our rules, the grade is correct Tony: i will make zero concessions on something that is graded exactly to our "letter of the law" ******: I'm not trying to get one over on you here Tony, I get the impression you think I'm trying to take a shot at you guys? Tony: if i had graded it any other way, you would have a very legitimate complaint Tony: no, but when i talk to 50 customers all on livehelp asking for the same thing you're asking for
******: Hence why I suggested the compromise of a roll-over requirement on a graded ticket? Tony: as soon as it is announced a "draw", it is graded Tony: there is no compromise Tony: some people lose Tony: some people win Tony: that is it ******: But it wasn't graded immediately Tony, until 10 minutes after the event ended ******: Every other match was graded immediately except that one Tony: as i was in the car on the way home and got a phone call Tony: i watched the tape Tony: and i rendered the decision ******: Right ******: I understand that Tony: as i said at the start of this chat ******: There has to be a guy who says "yes or no" Tony: when people complain about my decisons, all it does it make me not want to offer these events Tony: people want to bet on them, then cry when anything they deem as marginal doesn't go their way ******: I
understand that. I wasn't trying to complain Tony, I was just hoping to
be able to ask you to reconsider your decision. If you are saying "no I
won't" then OK, I understand that. Tony: as per our rules, the grade is correct Tony: i will make zero concessions on something that is graded exactly to our "letter of the law" ******: I'm not trying to get one over on you here Tony, I get the impression you think I'm trying to take a shot at you guys? Tony: if i had graded it any other way, you would have a very legitimate complaint Tony: no, but when i talk to 50 customers all on livehelp asking for the same thing you're asking for
Tony: would you want to offer the national anthem timing ******: I'm sorry about that Tony, I don't know these other customers you have to understand Tony: props on hot dog eating contests ******: LOL, I understand what you are saying Tony: WWE ******: I
was merely seeing if there might be able to be something that could be
done for customer relation purposes, as I mentioned, I've deposited
probably $xxxxx with your site and never withdrawn in all my years here Tony: we got the grade right ******: I was just hoping perhaps that something could be done. But if your position is no and it will not change, then I understand. Tony: this event isn't going to be used as a springboard to ask for "a handout" or "a bonus" Tony: today is not the day to ask ******: Tony I don't think I've ever talked to you before, I'm sorry if others are asking about this and what not ******: I don't have any control over them ******: I don't cause problems for your site, I don't take shots, etc. ******: I just like to play the lines you guys put out, that's all Tony: as you can see, this isn't the day to first meet me in a chat ******: Fair enough. Tony: as i've already had this conversation more than once ******: I can understand it must be very hectic dealing with similar complaints all the time ******: OK well please do not hold it against me, obviously I was unaware of any previous conversations you may have had Tony: as i said, people want to wager on these things, then think they're special when the call doesn't go their way Tony: makes me want to never offer anything like it again ******: I don't know about other people but I don't really think I'm special or anything Tony
Tony: would you want to offer the national anthem timing ******: I'm sorry about that Tony, I don't know these other customers you have to understand Tony: props on hot dog eating contests ******: LOL, I understand what you are saying Tony: WWE ******: I
was merely seeing if there might be able to be something that could be
done for customer relation purposes, as I mentioned, I've deposited
probably $xxxxx with your site and never withdrawn in all my years here Tony: we got the grade right ******: I was just hoping perhaps that something could be done. But if your position is no and it will not change, then I understand. Tony: this event isn't going to be used as a springboard to ask for "a handout" or "a bonus" Tony: today is not the day to ask ******: Tony I don't think I've ever talked to you before, I'm sorry if others are asking about this and what not ******: I don't have any control over them ******: I don't cause problems for your site, I don't take shots, etc. ******: I just like to play the lines you guys put out, that's all Tony: as you can see, this isn't the day to first meet me in a chat ******: Fair enough. Tony: as i've already had this conversation more than once ******: I can understand it must be very hectic dealing with similar complaints all the time ******: OK well please do not hold it against me, obviously I was unaware of any previous conversations you may have had Tony: as i said, people want to wager on these things, then think they're special when the call doesn't go their way Tony: makes me want to never offer anything like it again ******: I don't know about other people but I don't really think I'm special or anything Tony
******: Was just seeking to talk with the guy that Live Chat told me I needed to talk to last night Tony: we wrote six figures in action on wrestlemania ******: I'm not trying to be disrespectful Tony: probably made nothing or lost ******: That's a good handle it sounds like Tony: and for all that, all i get is grief ******: Again, Tony, I'm not trying to give you grief and I can't have any way to know what others are saying, you know? Tony: they're saying exactly the same thing you are Tony: and i'm not holding anything against anyoner Tony: *anyone ******: Good, I wouldnt want this to reflect negatively on my account, especially considering how much I enjoy 5dimes on a regular basis ******: you guys run a good, solid book Tony: thank you ******: OK
Tony well I know you are busy, thank you for your time, if you ever
change your mind on this it would be more than OK with me :-) Tony: while i'm sure it would be "ok" with you, the decison is correct, and it stands as graded ******: Have a good rest of your day. Tony: little chance of that, as i'll be in this chat all day
******: Was just seeking to talk with the guy that Live Chat told me I needed to talk to last night Tony: we wrote six figures in action on wrestlemania ******: I'm not trying to be disrespectful Tony: probably made nothing or lost ******: That's a good handle it sounds like Tony: and for all that, all i get is grief ******: Again, Tony, I'm not trying to give you grief and I can't have any way to know what others are saying, you know? Tony: they're saying exactly the same thing you are Tony: and i'm not holding anything against anyoner Tony: *anyone ******: Good, I wouldnt want this to reflect negatively on my account, especially considering how much I enjoy 5dimes on a regular basis ******: you guys run a good, solid book Tony: thank you ******: OK
Tony well I know you are busy, thank you for your time, if you ever
change your mind on this it would be more than OK with me :-) Tony: while i'm sure it would be "ok" with you, the decison is correct, and it stands as graded ******: Have a good rest of your day. Tony: little chance of that, as i'll be in this chat all day
I understand his decision but really was hoping that there would be something that he could do in order for customer goodwill.... the ticket winning with a rollover requirement I thought was reasonable. I've deposited a lot on their site over the years and am ashamed to admit I've never withdrawn from them before, so I should be a model/favorite customer of theirs.
I understand his decision but really was hoping that there would be something that he could do in order for customer goodwill.... the ticket winning with a rollover requirement I thought was reasonable. I've deposited a lot on their site over the years and am ashamed to admit I've never withdrawn from them before, so I should be a model/favorite customer of theirs.
Holy crap, I guess I understand the 'grade'... but if that's the guy you have to deal with when dealing w/ customer service... I think my head would explode with a convo like that. In betting, I guess it's SCREW the customer, WE'RE always right! It just sucks that other books are awarding Miz the win while 5dimes has different terms. I'm also one of the many that got screwed by going in on Miz. Won a little... but it should have been a lot more if he hit in my parlay.
Holy crap, I guess I understand the 'grade'... but if that's the guy you have to deal with when dealing w/ customer service... I think my head would explode with a convo like that. In betting, I guess it's SCREW the customer, WE'RE always right! It just sucks that other books are awarding Miz the win while 5dimes has different terms. I'm also one of the many that got screwed by going in on Miz. Won a little... but it should have been a lot more if he hit in my parlay.
Another poster pointed out that 5dimes own rules on these events allows for an initial decision to be "revised or altered" by the ring announcer, and the bet isn't graded until a certified winner is verified by the officials at the venue. WWE themselves lists Miz as the winner. Yet the bet is graded canceled? Makes no sense to me.
Another poster pointed out that 5dimes own rules on these events allows for an initial decision to be "revised or altered" by the ring announcer, and the bet isn't graded until a certified winner is verified by the officials at the venue. WWE themselves lists Miz as the winner. Yet the bet is graded canceled? Makes no sense to me.
of course they cancelled it. why the fuck else do you think they are allowing bets on an event with a pre-determined outcome, let alone have it be +1000 for a guy. you should have known they had that all planned out. they knew all along.
of course they cancelled it. why the fuck else do you think they are allowing bets on an event with a pre-determined outcome, let alone have it be +1000 for a guy. you should have known they had that all planned out. they knew all along.
of course they cancelled it. why the fuck else do you think they are allowing bets on an event with a pre-determined outcome, let alone have it be +1000 for a guy. you should have known they had that all planned out. they knew all along.
Edge was at around +450 at one time... he won.
The Miz started at around +400 or so, but he ended up closing close to EVEN. I believe it was after people saw the next PPV poster revealed that had his face on it that lead them to believe he would retain at Wrestlemania. That's the reason I bet on him late.
I think these fine lines, nonofficial calls, restarts, dq's, and everything else in WWE definitely benefit the books as they can grade wagers however they damn well please when things aren't so clear.
In the end I'm just glad I got my $ back and chalk it up as a lesson learned.
Quote Originally Posted by Pack887:
of course they cancelled it. why the fuck else do you think they are allowing bets on an event with a pre-determined outcome, let alone have it be +1000 for a guy. you should have known they had that all planned out. they knew all along.
Edge was at around +450 at one time... he won.
The Miz started at around +400 or so, but he ended up closing close to EVEN. I believe it was after people saw the next PPV poster revealed that had his face on it that lead them to believe he would retain at Wrestlemania. That's the reason I bet on him late.
I think these fine lines, nonofficial calls, restarts, dq's, and everything else in WWE definitely benefit the books as they can grade wagers however they damn well please when things aren't so clear.
In the end I'm just glad I got my $ back and chalk it up as a lesson learned.
I don't think that Tony knew who was going to win. But it doesn't take much to figure who will most likely win. Hell, he could even browse the wrestling boards for a few hours and get most of the info.
I don't think that Tony knew who was going to win. But it doesn't take much to figure who will most likely win. Hell, he could even browse the wrestling boards for a few hours and get most of the info.
That's what it sounds like, Lipps. I was just hoping to get a straightforward, legitimate ruling here and based on their own rules, I think they graded this one wrong.
Quote Originally Posted by Lippsman:
Betting on wrestling is just asking for trouble.
That's what it sounds like, Lipps. I was just hoping to get a straightforward, legitimate ruling here and based on their own rules, I think they graded this one wrong.
The guy sounds like a complete ass, but for once this worked to my benefit. Kap, it kind of sucks to kiss up to someone and have them shit on you, doesn't it? Sorry man.
The guy sounds like a complete ass, but for once this worked to my benefit. Kap, it kind of sucks to kiss up to someone and have them shit on you, doesn't it? Sorry man.
You are making educated guesses with these things. I took Miz +1000 right when it came out for pure value purposes, and even hedged right before the event by taking the other side at -120. Both were graded as canceled.
I don't want to sound conspiracy theorist or make accusation about Tony, but Miz did start around +1000 and moved to basically -120 closer to the event. That screams out to me that they had to take a ton of Miz action to move that big of an underdog basically to a pick. If Miz is graded as the winner, that could be a lot of +200 and above payouts for 5dimes. Could that be motivating their decision at all?
You are making educated guesses with these things. I took Miz +1000 right when it came out for pure value purposes, and even hedged right before the event by taking the other side at -120. Both were graded as canceled.
I don't want to sound conspiracy theorist or make accusation about Tony, but Miz did start around +1000 and moved to basically -120 closer to the event. That screams out to me that they had to take a ton of Miz action to move that big of an underdog basically to a pick. If Miz is graded as the winner, that could be a lot of +200 and above payouts for 5dimes. Could that be motivating their decision at all?
The guy sounds like a complete ass, but for once this worked to my benefit. Kap, it kind of sucks to kiss up to someone and have them shit on you, doesn't it? Sorry man.
I wasn't kissing up, I was just trying to be polite and reasonable.
Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:
The guy sounds like a complete ass, but for once this worked to my benefit. Kap, it kind of sucks to kiss up to someone and have them shit on you, doesn't it? Sorry man.
I wasn't kissing up, I was just trying to be polite and reasonable.
The guy sounds like a complete ass, but for once this worked to my benefit. Kap, it kind of sucks to kiss up to someone and have them shit on you, doesn't it? Sorry man.
Yea...he was a bit less polite when talking to the first person at live help last night when it was initially marked as a cancelled bet.
Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:
The guy sounds like a complete ass, but for once this worked to my benefit. Kap, it kind of sucks to kiss up to someone and have them shit on you, doesn't it? Sorry man.
Yea...he was a bit less polite when talking to the first person at live help last night when it was initially marked as a cancelled bet.
Can't believe 5dimes even took action on a "fixed" event. You deserve everything you got if you bet pro wrestling.
Seriously. Every wrestler and all of their friends and families knew all the winners. All you had to do was google it. Not shocking to see them screw people over even with the slightest reason.
Quote Originally Posted by josbran:
Can't believe 5dimes even took action on a "fixed" event. You deserve everything you got if you bet pro wrestling.
Seriously. Every wrestler and all of their friends and families knew all the winners. All you had to do was google it. Not shocking to see them screw people over even with the slightest reason.
Yep. Same crap happened to me. Miz wager was cancelled. I know sportsinteraction and bodog were taking wagers on wrestlemania. Did anyone wager at those sites and get a different grading?
Yep. Same crap happened to me. Miz wager was cancelled. I know sportsinteraction and bodog were taking wagers on wrestlemania. Did anyone wager at those sites and get a different grading?
I don't want to sound conspiracy theorist or make accusation about Tony, but Miz did start around +1000 and moved to basically -120 closer to the event. That screams out to me that they had to take a ton of Miz action to move that big of an underdog basically to a pick. If Miz is graded as the winner, that could be a lot of +200 and above payouts for 5dimes. Could that be motivating their decision at all?
is this a rhetorical question?
Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:
I don't want to sound conspiracy theorist or make accusation about Tony, but Miz did start around +1000 and moved to basically -120 closer to the event. That screams out to me that they had to take a ton of Miz action to move that big of an underdog basically to a pick. If Miz is graded as the winner, that could be a lot of +200 and above payouts for 5dimes. Could that be motivating their decision at all?
You are making educated guesses with these things. I took Miz +1000 right when it came out for pure value purposes, and even hedged right before the event by taking the other side at -120. Both were graded as canceled.
I don't want to sound conspiracy theorist or make accusation about Tony, but Miz did start around +1000 and moved to basically -120 closer to the event. That screams out to me that they had to take a ton of Miz action to move that big of an underdog basically to a pick. If Miz is graded as the winner, that could be a lot of +200 and above payouts for 5dimes. Could that be motivating their decision at all?
You got to be kidding , right?
Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:
You are making educated guesses with these things. I took Miz +1000 right when it came out for pure value purposes, and even hedged right before the event by taking the other side at -120. Both were graded as canceled.
I don't want to sound conspiracy theorist or make accusation about Tony, but Miz did start around +1000 and moved to basically -120 closer to the event. That screams out to me that they had to take a ton of Miz action to move that big of an underdog basically to a pick. If Miz is graded as the winner, that could be a lot of +200 and above payouts for 5dimes. Could that be motivating their decision at all?
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