just save yourself the time, if you want facts, not what the media gave out or what an idiot like barry switzer who took the media's story for it, go to
framingpaterno.com.
you can watch any of 3 videos that are the truth. you can read countless articles that spread truth and the media bias in this story to create a story to fit their narrative.
you can learn how vic 2 was never raped in the penn state showers, he himself disputes it, charges were dropped, still supports the school, how vic 6 and his mom still love penn state and dont blame them at all. etc etc etc...the facts still matter to some of us and there will be more coming out.
even todd blackledge, former psu national champ winning qb was skeptical at first, however any man with common sense once watching the videos at framingpaterno.com can see the media biased firestorm created by espn. blackledge is now making head way in fixing this issue and he works for that very network!!!!!!
oh no, a statue may be torn down for now, who gives a damn about a statue besides the DumbUp4eva.
just save yourself the time, if you want facts, not what the media gave out or what an idiot like barry switzer who took the media's story for it, go to
framingpaterno.com.
you can watch any of 3 videos that are the truth. you can read countless articles that spread truth and the media bias in this story to create a story to fit their narrative.
you can learn how vic 2 was never raped in the penn state showers, he himself disputes it, charges were dropped, still supports the school, how vic 6 and his mom still love penn state and dont blame them at all. etc etc etc...the facts still matter to some of us and there will be more coming out.
even todd blackledge, former psu national champ winning qb was skeptical at first, however any man with common sense once watching the videos at framingpaterno.com can see the media biased firestorm created by espn. blackledge is now making head way in fixing this issue and he works for that very network!!!!!!
oh no, a statue may be torn down for now, who gives a damn about a statue besides the DumbUp4eva.
just save yourself the time, if you want facts, not what the media gave out or what an idiot like barry switzer who took the media's story for it, go to
framingpaterno.com.
you can watch any of 3 videos that are the truth. you can read countless articles that spread truth and the media bias in this story to create a story to fit their narrative.
you can learn how vic 2 was never raped in the penn state showers, he himself disputes it, charges were dropped, still supports the school, how vic 6 and his mom still love penn state and dont blame them at all. etc etc etc...the facts still matter to some of us and there will be more coming out.
even todd blackledge, former psu national champ winning qb was skeptical at first, however any man with common sense once watching the videos at framingpaterno.com can see the media biased firestorm created by espn. blackledge is now making head way in fixing this issue and he works for that very network!!!!!!
oh no, a statue may be torn down for now, who gives a damn about a statue besides the DumbUp4eva.
you are a COMPLETE IDIOT HOMER
SO HAPPY PATERNO'S LEGACY IS FOREVER TARNISHED
he will be always be remembered as a Pedophile Enabler ....
BEST OF HEALTH, HAPPINESS,WEALTH, BLESSINGS and LUCK TO ALL !!
just save yourself the time, if you want facts, not what the media gave out or what an idiot like barry switzer who took the media's story for it, go to
framingpaterno.com.
you can watch any of 3 videos that are the truth. you can read countless articles that spread truth and the media bias in this story to create a story to fit their narrative.
you can learn how vic 2 was never raped in the penn state showers, he himself disputes it, charges were dropped, still supports the school, how vic 6 and his mom still love penn state and dont blame them at all. etc etc etc...the facts still matter to some of us and there will be more coming out.
even todd blackledge, former psu national champ winning qb was skeptical at first, however any man with common sense once watching the videos at framingpaterno.com can see the media biased firestorm created by espn. blackledge is now making head way in fixing this issue and he works for that very network!!!!!!
oh no, a statue may be torn down for now, who gives a damn about a statue besides the DumbUp4eva.
you are a COMPLETE IDIOT HOMER
SO HAPPY PATERNO'S LEGACY IS FOREVER TARNISHED
he will be always be remembered as a Pedophile Enabler ....
You fellas should actually know what your talking about before calling this dude happy. Not a shred of evidence that says he is, other than he is Morman, and they have strict rules about pre marital sex. Guess all of BYU is happy too. Get the darn outta here
You fellas should actually know what your talking about before calling this dude happy. Not a shred of evidence that says he is, other than he is Morman, and they have strict rules about pre marital sex. Guess all of BYU is happy too. Get the darn outta here
I come from the school of common sense. First of all, the dude is hiding something, and secondly these people interviewing him have no interest in finding out shyt. he says the girl was in Hawaii and her brothers had the car so she couldn't come see him. Where is the follow up questions like how far was she from you? You haven't seen the girl in person for 3 years, You're Manti Teo and you can't figure a way to go see her on your own fricken island. There has to be over a thousand people on that island who would gladly drive him out to meet the love of his life. I have no idea what's going on, but the simple fact that she was in Hawaii and he can't find a way to see her. That just looks incredibly suspicious to me.
I come from the school of common sense. First of all, the dude is hiding something, and secondly these people interviewing him have no interest in finding out shyt. he says the girl was in Hawaii and her brothers had the car so she couldn't come see him. Where is the follow up questions like how far was she from you? You haven't seen the girl in person for 3 years, You're Manti Teo and you can't figure a way to go see her on your own fricken island. There has to be over a thousand people on that island who would gladly drive him out to meet the love of his life. I have no idea what's going on, but the simple fact that she was in Hawaii and he can't find a way to see her. That just looks incredibly suspicious to me.
The Hawaii incident is so shaddy. First the parents know the girl and have had conversations via conference calls. The parents from my knowledge never was against the girl. the girl is the love of his life and while in Hawaii, he has to lie to his parents and tell him he's sleeping over some friends house so that he can try and see her. I don't get that
The Hawaii incident is so shaddy. First the parents know the girl and have had conversations via conference calls. The parents from my knowledge never was against the girl. the girl is the love of his life and while in Hawaii, he has to lie to his parents and tell him he's sleeping over some friends house so that he can try and see her. I don't get that
I do NOT trust anything that Manti or his family says ....
In MY Guess he is a G A Y , and will lie and do anything he can to cover it up
I have NO problem with him Liking other MEN ***The Lying is where I have a Problem
NOT seeing a Girl for 3+ years and calling her the LOVE of your Life is REAL FISHY
double,I have a great deal of regard for you as a person,but I believe you are wrong in this matter.I will admit that I have enjoyed BA's attacks on your bigotry,but I need to tell you that you are missing the point.YOU have convicted Te'o of being 'happy" and a liar.There is NO evidence to support your side of this.He made a mistake in trusting someone else.WE HAVE ALL DONE THIS. Forgive him and move on PLEASE.Do not hold this person to a standard that you have not held yourself to.We have all made errors in judgement .You as well.LET IT GO AND FORGIVE!!
Helping Kama'aina to beat their " Local " since 1994.
I do NOT trust anything that Manti or his family says ....
In MY Guess he is a G A Y , and will lie and do anything he can to cover it up
I have NO problem with him Liking other MEN ***The Lying is where I have a Problem
NOT seeing a Girl for 3+ years and calling her the LOVE of your Life is REAL FISHY
double,I have a great deal of regard for you as a person,but I believe you are wrong in this matter.I will admit that I have enjoyed BA's attacks on your bigotry,but I need to tell you that you are missing the point.YOU have convicted Te'o of being 'happy" and a liar.There is NO evidence to support your side of this.He made a mistake in trusting someone else.WE HAVE ALL DONE THIS. Forgive him and move on PLEASE.Do not hold this person to a standard that you have not held yourself to.We have all made errors in judgement .You as well.LET IT GO AND FORGIVE!!
To condemn someone else for what we ourselves have done in the past,the height of bias and bigotry.You know better than to judge someone else to a different standard than you would judge yourself.
Helping Kama'aina to beat their " Local " since 1994.
To condemn someone else for what we ourselves have done in the past,the height of bias and bigotry.You know better than to judge someone else to a different standard than you would judge yourself.
Teo and ND are complicit in this hoax. FACT. The kid never met the girl yet said he did. Passed on every opportunity to meet her. Yet they promoted this story about her passing and the love they shared hard. Even AFTER finding out it was all BS at the Heisman Awards show.
The story was a big part of ND's marketing of Teo for the Heisman and another story to add to the annals of ND lore. Very similar to Rudy, which was another feel good story made up and exaggerated by ND. It obviously worked. Without the press he received he would not have come in 2nd for the Heisman. Teo is by all measure the 5th best LB in coming out. My guess is he will be another bust in the NFL.
ESPN, ND and the Teo family all look bad so they must do damage control. The idea that Teo is a victim is beyond funny.
Teo and ND are complicit in this hoax. FACT. The kid never met the girl yet said he did. Passed on every opportunity to meet her. Yet they promoted this story about her passing and the love they shared hard. Even AFTER finding out it was all BS at the Heisman Awards show.
The story was a big part of ND's marketing of Teo for the Heisman and another story to add to the annals of ND lore. Very similar to Rudy, which was another feel good story made up and exaggerated by ND. It obviously worked. Without the press he received he would not have come in 2nd for the Heisman. Teo is by all measure the 5th best LB in coming out. My guess is he will be another bust in the NFL.
ESPN, ND and the Teo family all look bad so they must do damage control. The idea that Teo is a victim is beyond funny.
double,I have a great deal of regard for you as a person,but I believe you are wrong in this matter.I will admit that I have enjoyed BA's attacks on your bigotry,but I need to tell you that you are missing the point.YOU have convicted Te'o of being 'happy" and a liar.There is NO evidence to support your side of this.He made a mistake in trusting someone else.WE HAVE ALL DONE THIS. Forgive him and move on PLEASE.Do not hold this person to a standard that you have not held yourself to.We have all made errors in judgement .You as well.LET IT GO AND FORGIVE!!
Thanks for responding
I just feel he is either Happy or a very very Stupid and Naive person ...
Who calls someone the Love of their Live when they have never MET ...
Who Lies and says I met her after a Stanford game , when it NEVER happened
Why would his father say the girl visited their House ...
Nothing adds up , the Damage control is a JOKE .... I would want this Liar NO where near my team if I was drafting
BEST OF HEALTH, HAPPINESS,WEALTH, BLESSINGS and LUCK TO ALL !!
double,I have a great deal of regard for you as a person,but I believe you are wrong in this matter.I will admit that I have enjoyed BA's attacks on your bigotry,but I need to tell you that you are missing the point.YOU have convicted Te'o of being 'happy" and a liar.There is NO evidence to support your side of this.He made a mistake in trusting someone else.WE HAVE ALL DONE THIS. Forgive him and move on PLEASE.Do not hold this person to a standard that you have not held yourself to.We have all made errors in judgement .You as well.LET IT GO AND FORGIVE!!
Thanks for responding
I just feel he is either Happy or a very very Stupid and Naive person ...
Who calls someone the Love of their Live when they have never MET ...
Who Lies and says I met her after a Stanford game , when it NEVER happened
Why would his father say the girl visited their House ...
Nothing adds up , the Damage control is a JOKE .... I would want this Liar NO where near my team if I was drafting
One thing we know for damm sure....on most ANY issue ...those that scream the loudest / and can only resort to name calling/bully tactics....in most every case have a very poor understanding of the issue at hand....and certainly feel insecure and or inadequate in their knowledge and opinion on that issue.....
Humble when ambitious - gracious when successful - resilient when you fail.
One thing we know for damm sure....on most ANY issue ...those that scream the loudest / and can only resort to name calling/bully tactics....in most every case have a very poor understanding of the issue at hand....and certainly feel insecure and or inadequate in their knowledge and opinion on that issue.....
I just feel he is either Happy or a very very Stupid and Naive person ...
Who calls someone the Love of their Live when they have never MET ...
Who Lies and says I met her after a Stanford game , when it NEVER happened
Why would his father say the girl visited their House ...
Nothing adds up , the Damage control is a JOKE .... I would want this Liar NO where near my team if I was drafting
Double, I just think he was naive, I think he feels very foolish, he was embarrassed for all the world to see.For all we know, he might have felt a lot safer dealing with an "internet girlfriend' with the pressures of the Heisman, Natl. Championship, as well as the NFL draft staring him in the face.I don't know.I also don't know how I would have handled it either.He will have to live with this forever.I do agree with you that I hope Buffalo does not draft him as they have more pressing needs and also don't need that distraction. double, I just had to throw my opinion in there as well. Thanks, Bud
Helping Kama'aina to beat their " Local " since 1994.
I just feel he is either Happy or a very very Stupid and Naive person ...
Who calls someone the Love of their Live when they have never MET ...
Who Lies and says I met her after a Stanford game , when it NEVER happened
Why would his father say the girl visited their House ...
Nothing adds up , the Damage control is a JOKE .... I would want this Liar NO where near my team if I was drafting
Double, I just think he was naive, I think he feels very foolish, he was embarrassed for all the world to see.For all we know, he might have felt a lot safer dealing with an "internet girlfriend' with the pressures of the Heisman, Natl. Championship, as well as the NFL draft staring him in the face.I don't know.I also don't know how I would have handled it either.He will have to live with this forever.I do agree with you that I hope Buffalo does not draft him as they have more pressing needs and also don't need that distraction. double, I just had to throw my opinion in there as well. Thanks, Bud
Ya' know.....it wouldn't kill some of you boys to educate yourself a little in the area of human nature / human behavior... *I once introduced the idea here.... of how our thoughts /actions are controlled to a great degree by attitudes and biases......that we have NO IDEA are there (our subconscious)
Humble when ambitious - gracious when successful - resilient when you fail.
Ya' know.....it wouldn't kill some of you boys to educate yourself a little in the area of human nature / human behavior... *I once introduced the idea here.... of how our thoughts /actions are controlled to a great degree by attitudes and biases......that we have NO IDEA are there (our subconscious)
response?....haha....idiot!..................... *an excellent response if maybe in the 2nd grade.......
I had a GF a few years back (BTW young/crazy/ extremely hot ....)
that claimed to have cancer...she lied about a lotta stuff ..... but the big C you really can't question...so for about 6 months I drove her to the hospital....often wondering why she never wanted me to go inside with her.....then she would start crying.....and give me some explanation....she even had a good one why the chemo didn't cause her hair to fall out.....all explanations usually accompanied by intense sobbing +++ *then one day a (psychiatrist) buddy of mine.....fascinated by my young/hot GF.....asked me more about her behavior....>> she wanted tons of sex (everywhere).....then for weeks didn't want me to touch her ().....huge mood swings....chemical dependencies.....always some tragedy like a car wreck.....cancer... whatever.....liked older men +++++ *anything to pull me in you see....
In about 2 minutes I get..."she doesn't have cancer you dumbazz!.....she was molested as a child....probably by a family member .....she's simply reliving.....that cycle of TRAUMA .....she 'learned' as a child................wow
LESSON.....ya never know....so maybe best to give people a break ....there is usually a very good reason why people are the way they are *turns out she was raped by her uncle many times and probably her dad too....her brother (she really loved) let his friends play around with her when she was 8-9 or so................................. nope no cancer
Humble when ambitious - gracious when successful - resilient when you fail.
response?....haha....idiot!..................... *an excellent response if maybe in the 2nd grade.......
I had a GF a few years back (BTW young/crazy/ extremely hot ....)
that claimed to have cancer...she lied about a lotta stuff ..... but the big C you really can't question...so for about 6 months I drove her to the hospital....often wondering why she never wanted me to go inside with her.....then she would start crying.....and give me some explanation....she even had a good one why the chemo didn't cause her hair to fall out.....all explanations usually accompanied by intense sobbing +++ *then one day a (psychiatrist) buddy of mine.....fascinated by my young/hot GF.....asked me more about her behavior....>> she wanted tons of sex (everywhere).....then for weeks didn't want me to touch her ().....huge mood swings....chemical dependencies.....always some tragedy like a car wreck.....cancer... whatever.....liked older men +++++ *anything to pull me in you see....
In about 2 minutes I get..."she doesn't have cancer you dumbazz!.....she was molested as a child....probably by a family member .....she's simply reliving.....that cycle of TRAUMA .....she 'learned' as a child................wow
LESSON.....ya never know....so maybe best to give people a break ....there is usually a very good reason why people are the way they are *turns out she was raped by her uncle many times and probably her dad too....her brother (she really loved) let his friends play around with her when she was 8-9 or so................................. nope no cancer
Ya' know.....it wouldn't kill some of you boys to educate yourself a little in the area of human nature / human behavior... *I once introduced the idea here.... of how our thoughts /actions are controlled to a great degree by attitudes and biases......that we have NO IDEA are there (our subconscious)
Hey BA, I kinda take the " Biblical" approach to this whole issue.No matter what we do,decisions we make,or how we live our lives, we will be called to account for our actions.That's what the Bible says, that's what I believe.I'm not qualified to judge others as I screw up plenty on my own.It's the Lord's job to judge,and he's perfectly capable of handling it without my help. I wish it was closer to August. When can we start talking the 2013 / 2014 CFB season? Six months sure seems like a long way from now.
P.S. Your commentary on gridironguy's thread on this same subject Your post# 8 and #10., is still some of the funniest stuff I have ever read.I refer to it often. It puts all this in perspective, It gives me a chance to LMAO, and put this whole thing in it's proper context.
Thanks bud.
Helping Kama'aina to beat their " Local " since 1994.
Ya' know.....it wouldn't kill some of you boys to educate yourself a little in the area of human nature / human behavior... *I once introduced the idea here.... of how our thoughts /actions are controlled to a great degree by attitudes and biases......that we have NO IDEA are there (our subconscious)
Hey BA, I kinda take the " Biblical" approach to this whole issue.No matter what we do,decisions we make,or how we live our lives, we will be called to account for our actions.That's what the Bible says, that's what I believe.I'm not qualified to judge others as I screw up plenty on my own.It's the Lord's job to judge,and he's perfectly capable of handling it without my help. I wish it was closer to August. When can we start talking the 2013 / 2014 CFB season? Six months sure seems like a long way from now.
P.S. Your commentary on gridironguy's thread on this same subject Your post# 8 and #10., is still some of the funniest stuff I have ever read.I refer to it often. It puts all this in perspective, It gives me a chance to LMAO, and put this whole thing in it's proper context.
Probably the toughest thing about convincing people that the media sold them a bill of goods about what really happened in the Sandusky scandal is that they usually think they know the story and they have created a very powerful narrative in their head. That narrative is largely false, but it can’t be removed from the minds of most people with just one fact. Instead, like a painting made up of thousands of brush strokes, the faulty ones need to be removed and replaced, one by one, until a very different image is left to remain in their mind’s eye.
To that end, I have compiled (feel free to email me with others) a list, in no particular order, of the most important data points of which the vast majority of the population and the media are completely unaware. All of these are vital to understanding just how wrong the media’s current narrative of what happened here really is.
Here are the most “under known” facts of the Jerry Sandusky scandal:
Probably the toughest thing about convincing people that the media sold them a bill of goods about what really happened in the Sandusky scandal is that they usually think they know the story and they have created a very powerful narrative in their head. That narrative is largely false, but it can’t be removed from the minds of most people with just one fact. Instead, like a painting made up of thousands of brush strokes, the faulty ones need to be removed and replaced, one by one, until a very different image is left to remain in their mind’s eye.
To that end, I have compiled (feel free to email me with others) a list, in no particular order, of the most important data points of which the vast majority of the population and the media are completely unaware. All of these are vital to understanding just how wrong the media’s current narrative of what happened here really is.
Here are the most “under known” facts of the Jerry Sandusky scandal:
The report of Joe Paterno’s police interview just before he testified before the Grand Jury does not come close to referencing him saying anything about Mike McQueary telling him he saw something “sexual.”
Paterno’s statement to the grand jury about McQueary telling him he saw something sexual was far from declarative or definitive.
Jonelle Eschbach, the woman who questioned Paterno in that grand jury, posted on Facebook after the presentment was released that he shouldn’t be fired and Paterno was originally “praised” by a source in the AG’s office for acting appropriately.
Paterno was 84 years old and not in great health at time of his grand jury testimony.
Jerry Sandusky and Paterno were not close friends (which might be why you only ever see one photo of the two of them being “buddy buddy” from what looks like about 1986) and had no regular contact after Sandusky retired.
Sandusky was an ex assistant when the Mike McQueary allegation happened.
Paterno didn’t run the school and didn’t always get what he wanted, specifically with the Sandusky retirement deal (he didn’t want Second Mile kids allowed on campus) and the location of the baseball field across from the football stadium named for his friend Anthony Lubrano.
Paterno did not admit guilt in the Sandusky affair. He took some responsibility by saying “with the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more.”
Tim Curley had a son, who would have been seen by Sandusky fairly regularly, almost the same age as the alleged McQueary victim.
Sandusky had multiple football job offers after he retired from PSU but his desire to keep working at the Second Mile, not rumors of sexual abuse, killed the deals.
The Freeh Report specifically exonerates Paterno on Sandusky retirement because the process began before the 1998 allegation even happened.
The report of Joe Paterno’s police interview just before he testified before the Grand Jury does not come close to referencing him saying anything about Mike McQueary telling him he saw something “sexual.”
Paterno’s statement to the grand jury about McQueary telling him he saw something sexual was far from declarative or definitive.
Jonelle Eschbach, the woman who questioned Paterno in that grand jury, posted on Facebook after the presentment was released that he shouldn’t be fired and Paterno was originally “praised” by a source in the AG’s office for acting appropriately.
Paterno was 84 years old and not in great health at time of his grand jury testimony.
Jerry Sandusky and Paterno were not close friends (which might be why you only ever see one photo of the two of them being “buddy buddy” from what looks like about 1986) and had no regular contact after Sandusky retired.
Sandusky was an ex assistant when the Mike McQueary allegation happened.
Paterno didn’t run the school and didn’t always get what he wanted, specifically with the Sandusky retirement deal (he didn’t want Second Mile kids allowed on campus) and the location of the baseball field across from the football stadium named for his friend Anthony Lubrano.
Paterno did not admit guilt in the Sandusky affair. He took some responsibility by saying “with the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more.”
Tim Curley had a son, who would have been seen by Sandusky fairly regularly, almost the same age as the alleged McQueary victim.
Sandusky had multiple football job offers after he retired from PSU but his desire to keep working at the Second Mile, not rumors of sexual abuse, killed the deals.
The Freeh Report specifically exonerates Paterno on Sandusky retirement because the process began before the 1998 allegation even happened.
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