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jwheels86

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Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 1:16 AM ET #51

Go ahead and compare Weis resume and Petrinos… Petrino is nowhere near the level and has not done anything near or had anything close to the success Weis has.. Ill take the guy that has 4 Super Bowl Rings every. Single. Day. Weis turns shit to Gold everywhere he has been offensively, now he has a limitless amount of talent coming over the years to work with and at the college level to top it all off.

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Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 1:35 AM ET #52

Flordia with the points

Flordia for the straight up win

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Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 8:21 AM ET #53

Again I want to warn people against most write ups you see in the forum. They are usually one sided and trying only to justfy the reason they will win. Doesnt mention how Saban seems to have Floridas number or how Florida is going to stop the Alabama running game. Buyer Beware!

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Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 9:23 AM ET #54

Quote Originally Posted by YACKER:

Few things about this thread:

Demps and Rainey won't be running it between the tackles
Saban isn't dumb and won't have Hightower playing man to man on Demps or Rainey
If the Gator offense is no more than swings and screens then the Gators are in trouble.
Brantley has no WRs to threaten Bama down the field (Arkansas did and it didn't help them)
Stop it with the Weiss is the difference bull crap. Bobby Petrino is a very good playcaller and he has pretty good weapons. His OL is a problem much like the Gators OL is. Petrino waved the white flag before the 4th quarter started
This game is truly about one thing: Can the Florida DL stuff the Bama run and get pressure on McCarron? The second level guys for Florida are a step down.
Stop comparing the defenses to each other. Bama's is significantly better. All 5 of Bama's DBs in the nickel are pro guys. At least two of the LBs are as well. Mosley would be another pro LB but he may not play.
Jessie Williams for Bama is getting better every week on the DL
McCarron is doing what the staff wants him too and doing it pretty well.
If Bama gets to 17 they win. I think they get 27 and win pretty easily. This is the best defense I have seen under Saban at Bama. This secondary is scary good and the whole defense tackles very well.

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Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 9:31 AM ET #55

Charlie Weis is probably the greatest offensive mind in college or professional football.

the offense (which was what Charlie was in charge of) was dynamic and always top 10-15 in the country. Charlie Weis's offenses broke so many offensive records at Notre Dame,

very impressive.....unbiased......well researched post there COACH........

actually.....not so much

despite having something like 20 or so NFL players on offense alone...(counted em up awhile ago ....forgot exact #).....his offenses were impressive in spots sure....but never ran well (3.6/rush...3.9...2.1...3.3...3.8) .and OL play was consistently average to weak

his 2007 offense was not only possibly the nation's worst....but one of the worst statistically the past 5 years......averaging 16.4 pts/g...2.1/rush....and 242 yds/g.....or 3.5 yds/play......AND ranked last (#119) in tackles for loss allowed at 9.3/g

the only teams close to that (lack of) offensive output.....the past 5 years or so was New Mexico St in 2009 (3.9/play).....and 2008 UCF (3.6/play)
*I would think that has to be the worst offense in school history

you gotta give him credit for doing (evidently) a great job coaching up Quinn and Clausen...but as this transcendent offensive mastermind....not so much

It is better to be feared - than to be loved.

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Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 9:32 AM ET #56

Quote Originally Posted by CoachE:

If you expect all players to perform the same as seniors as they do as freshman and sophmore then you will lose a lot of games. I think its pretty obvious this offense fits Rainey and Demps much better than the previous version when they were the 3rd or 4th option. They are the main option now. The Gators have the best 1-2 running back punch in the country and they just happen to be the two fastest players on the field come Saturday night. Does this gurantee a Florida win? No. However it will be the first time Alabama has ever seen this kind of speed coming at them from the backfield coordinated by arguably the best offensive coordinator in the game. Continue to discount Florida if you want but they will give Alabama all they can handle and its a field goal game either way. 6 points is a gift

What are you basing this on? This is what I base you being wrong about that on.... Trent Richardson and Eddie Lacey have better stats, and are ranked higher at this point in the season, and Alabama has had a harder schedule. We have had a road game, against a ranked opponent, and a home game against a top 20 ranked SEC opponent. Richardson - 2nd in the SEC... Lacie - 7th in the SEC.

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Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 9:35 AM ET #57

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Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 9:46 AM ET #58

no clue why everybody jumped on this guy for saying weis is among the best offensive minds in football, it's not even a mildly outrageous statement. dude was Bellichick's oc, won super bowls, went on to coach notre dame and make Brady Quinn look like Joe Montana, made a weaponless Chiefs offense potent, and is now making John Brantley look a lot better than he should. Proven track record, proven rings.

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Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 9:54 AM ET #59

It's just so hard to overlook the rest of his stupidity, so naturally everyone is gonna take the rest of what he says the wrong way...

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Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 10:13 AM ET #60

What a :homer: fest...

Bama rolls this one...Bama loses on down the road

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Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 10:15 AM ET #61

Quote Originally Posted by dolyman:

What a :homer: fest...

Bama rolls this one...Bama loses on down the road

To who lol? I think we will win this one, but other than LSU, I don't see another team in the SEC that can beat us. And with a week to prepare, and home field advantage, I don't see LSU doing it.

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Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 11:17 AM ET #62

I love how everyone breaks down every single word people say on this site. I apologize for letting that happen. Thats why I rarely post on him. But I promise that wont happen again. Instead of saying Charlie Weis always has a 10-15 offense I should have said he "almost always" has one. I guess I didnt expect people to consider one bad year (a year in which he replaced 8 offensive starters and was playing a18 year old at QB) such a problem. The problem at Notre Dame wasnt the offense, everyone knows that. It was the defense. But thats another conversation all together. Its obvious that Charlie Weis is a much better offensive coordinator than a head coach and he has worked wonders everywhere he has been. Trust me, its no coincedence that New England has not won a Super Bowl since he left. So keep thinking he isnt an offensive mastermind. Thats the most ignorant thing I have heard in a while. Bill Parcells, Bill Belichick, Jon Gruden and Urban Meyer call him the greatest offensive mind in the game for a reason. But then again, you know more than them about football right?

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Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 11:23 AM ET #63

BAMA pons Florida by 10+ pts

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Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 12:19 PM ET #64

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Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 2:32 PM ET #65

Quote Originally Posted by CoachE:

Bama 6 point favorites on the road IN THE SWAMP? I mean seriously, whats the difference between these two teams? Both have great defenses, a great running game and question marks at QB. Both coaches know each other very well and have similar approaches to the game. Im just not seeing it. But I am seeing one clear mismatch. And it greatly favors the home team. I have watched several of Alabamas games and it has been a trade mark of Nick Sabans teams for over a decade... they have big strong linebackers (Hightower- 6'4, 260lbs... Upshaw- 6'2, 265lbs.... Johnson 6'3, 250lbs... Harris 6'3, 250lbs).... you know where im going with this... can they really expect to run sideline to sideline with arguably the two fastest running backs in the nation in Demps and Rainey? Who will be on the field at the same time for much of the game? The answer is no, not a chance, not in a million years. So how does Bama counter this? They roll up there safeties and make them "force" players. Or the bring in an extra nickel back (but that takes away from what Bama and Saban likes to do so I dont see that happening) So lets look at Bama rolling up a safety to give an 8 man front. Ok thats an option, and a good one at that. But lets be honest, Demps and Rainey are even mismatches for the most talented safeties, especially Alabamas. You see at Alabama and under Nick Saban (under most true 3-4 schemes) safeties are pretty much like linebackers, and linebackers are pretty much extra defensive lineman. So while Alabama plays excellent gap-assignment football, they simply dont have the speed to keep up with Floridas two play makers in the backfield. Even if Alabama runs an 8 man front with a walked up safety, no one in Alabamas 8 man front can run side line to side line with either of the Gators running backs who like I said above, will be on the field at the same time. No one in Alabamas front 8 can cover Demps or Rainey when they go out for passes and God forbid if one motions out to the slot and gets matched up one-on-one with an Alabama line backer or safety. That has touchdown written all over. My point is simple, I know Bama has a great defense and I respect Nick Saban and Kirby Smart more than any other Head Coach/Defensive Coordinator combo in the country but this is just a match up that they can not win. They have been recruiting for the 3-4 defense for a while now and dont expect them to change simply because of this particular matchup. Thats not how Saban coaches and quite frankly they dont have the players to make such a change. If I were you I would throw out last years game between the two teams as Florida (as a whole) was in a state of confusion with a Head Coach who obviously didnt have his heart in the game and was already planning his retirement, and an offensive coordinator who simply was out foxed by the young Kirby Smart. Dont expect that to happen Saturday as Charlie Weis is probably the greatest offensive mind in college or professional football. He will know how to get the ball into Demps and Raineys hands by more than your simply hand off. Muschamp will have this team ready to play, as will Saban, but this game has one clear mismatch and it is one that Alabama can not counter.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but some results speak for themselves...case in point.......

Quote Originally Posted by CoachE:

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but some results speak for themselves...case in point.......

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Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 2:33 PM ET #66

Quote Originally Posted by CoachE:

Once again the public is all over the wrong team. Seems to happen every day but oh well, you people will learn eventually. Everyone wants to overreact to a few injuries to the Rams last week and yes they were to important players. But lets not forget that the Giants are down 6 players all on defense who would get big time snaps tonight. Sure the Rams will miss Danny Amendola but he is at best this teams third receiver, I know he led the team in catches last year but he is not someone that scares opposing defense. Missing Stephen Jackson is obviously a big loss that happens but it not significant enough to say the Rams are terrible and give them a full 7 points. Cadillac Williams (the Rams backup running back) would be starting for the a handful of teams in the NFL including NYG. He had 140 total yards last week and averaged 4.8 yardsper carry. But this game isnt about who can run the ball better. The Giants two best pass rushers are out and there two best cover corners are out as well. Thats not a good combination to be missing against one of the better quarterbacks and offensive coordinators in the league. Make no mistake Sam Bradfordis the QB you want your money on in this one as he is leaps and bounds better than Eli Manning.He is also going against a very, very depleted defense that is missing the above mentioned names. That is not a recipe for success, and to top it all off you can still get the Rams plus 7 points. Sam Bradford is on the verge of being one of the elite quarterbacks in the game. Elite quarterbacks win games likes this. Take the Rams plus the points and enjoy the game. BOL

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Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 2:33 PM ET #67

Quote Originally Posted by CoachE:

Once again not buying into all the FIU hype. And I dont care that Louisville played poorly last week. After all, they only ran a handful of offensive plays and played vanilla coverages all game long. Dont overthink this one, if you say FIU has a better coach or players you are lying to yourself. Louisville wins this one. BOL

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Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 2:50 PM ET #68

Yeh sorry im not undefeated in my picks. Im glad you picked out my only two posted losses that I have had in football. But if anything you only helped my case because I was spot on in every aspect of the Rams game that I broke down. But unfortunately we cant win them all. So I dont pretend that I do, but a 4-2 posted record is better than most. Atleast I bring some educated break downs to the forums where you bring nothing. And by the way... the last time an undefeated team ranked 3rd went to the University of Florida it went a little like this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETqoKryt8A8

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Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 3:05 PM ET #69

Quote Originally Posted by CoachE:

Yeh sorry im not undefeated in my picks. Im glad you picked out my only two posted losses that I have had in football. But if anything you only helped my case because I was spot on in every aspect of the Rams game that I broke down. But unfortunately we cant win them all. So I dont pretend that I do, but a 4-2 posted record is better than most. Atleast I bring some educated break downs to the forums where you bring nothing. And by the way... the last time an undefeated team ranked 3rd went to the University of Florida it went a little like this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETqoKryt8A8

That was 3 years ago...And the last time Florida played Alabama it went something like this:

https://youtu.be/qsdYwxZwGr4

So what's your point?

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Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 3:17 PM ET #70

I wasnt responding to you. I remember what happened the last 5 times weve played Alabama. My point is that it is extremely hard for anyteam to go on the road and try to pick up a big win in the swamp. Matter of fact, whens the last time Alabama won in the swamp? M only point is that its an extreme home field advantage for a team that out gained Alabama on the road last year while missing there best offensive player who is back and healthy for this game and a new offensive coordinator who is kinda good

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Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 3:22 PM ET #71

Bama spread down to -3.5....looking awful juicy to take Tide...

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Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 3:42 PM ET #72

Quote Originally Posted by CoachE:

I wasnt responding to you. I remember what happened the last 5 times weve played Alabama. My point is that it is extremely hard for anyteam to go on the road and try to pick up a big win in the swamp. Matter of fact, whens the last time Alabama won in the swamp? M only point is that its an extreme home field advantage for a team that out gained Alabama on the road last year while missing there best offensive player who is back and healthy for this game and a new offensive coordinator who is kinda good

Congratz! You just made a decent argumentative point that isn't completely one sided, and is actually up for discussion... I will agree that the Swamp will be the toughest road test this season, and aside from LSU this will be the toughest regular season game we will play. An unproven QB on the road is always a question mark, and I am anxious to see how well AJ handles it. I will also agree that the combo of Demps, and Rainey will be the fastest duo of scary RB's we will face this season, and it will be an incredible task containing them. I realize that the offense has improved from last season, and I have no doubt that has everything to do with the coaching staff. Because of these things, I am nervous about Saturday, but I feel as though we have the better all around team with more depth throughout, and more experience. This is why I give Bama the edge...

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Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 5:11 PM ET #73

Not really in here to gain a following or to look for supporters. Simply pointing out that you try to make others look stupid for taking their side. You're so adamant about your 'breakdowns' and won't admit defeat. Even still you are saying your breakdown on the Rams game was spot on. Neat. You still lost. I wasn't pointing out that you are undefeated. I was pointing out that your commentary that has that "I hate how the public is AGAIN betting the wrong side...isn't it so obvious?"...doesn't it make you look so much more stupid when you are wrong? If you want to dish it, you might as well take it like a man.

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Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 5:27 PM ET #74

What did I say in my Rams breakdown that was so off base? I said the Rams would miss there defensive players who were out and Sam Bradford would exploit that. Ok, well that happened. Bradford threw for 336 yards. The Giants looked vulnerable to the pass all night long, unfortunately the Rams fumbled 4 times giving the ball to the Giants twice inside there own red zone. You cant predict things like that. I dont pretend to know the future, I just know how to break down football games. If you disagree with my points about the Florida/Bama game then say so. But dont bring up past losses were my team barely didnt cover because the had four fluke fumbles. Chris Rainey and Jeff Demps form arguably the best 1-2 running back punch in college football, they are definately the fastest and Charlie Weis will know how to exploit Alabamas big, slow line backers. Its extremely tough to play in the swamp. The Gators have only lost 13 games there in since 1990. In that time span they are 113-13 at home. Thats the best mark in the country since 1990. Those are my points for this game. They are facts. So I would like to hear your opinion on how I am so off base if they are facts.

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Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 6:24 PM ET #75

"Once again the public is all over the wrong team. Seems to happen every day but oh well, you people will learn eventually."

That is all I was referring to...FYI I was born in Gainesville, straight up Alachua County, so you are talking to a Gator...not arguing that we have great running backs, not arguing that Sam Bradford can throw for 300+ yards, etc. Again, I am not arguing about facts, and I am not trying to get into a pissing contest. And again, I am simply pointing out that in this case, the public was not on the wrong team. And the public is not always wrong.

You can't cap turnovers. You can't cap bad calls. You can't cap injuries. But a win is a win and a loss is a loss.

My opinion is that Florida isn't at a point yet where they can compete with Bama's defense. Brantley is a veteran, but it's still a new offense he is learning under Weis, albeit the more traditional pro-style offense that Brantley is accustomed to. If Florida wins the game, (aside from being happy that we won) I'll be more than happy to revisit the thread and say I had the wrong side on that given night, but one thing I won't do is cry over spilled milk.

I don't make these comments --- "Once again the public is all over the wrong team. Seems to happen every day but oh well, you people will learn eventually". Cause really, what were you trying to infer?

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