They aren't trying to pick the most worthy team or the team with the best resume. They are trying to pick the best teams. So Oregon gets a free pass on their loss because they had a lot of O Line injured.
The what in the world are they using for criteria!!?? Of course this process has some objectivitty, but ya gotta have some subjectivity.....
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Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:
They aren't trying to pick the most worthy team or the team with the best resume. They are trying to pick the best teams. So Oregon gets a free pass on their loss because they had a lot of O Line injured.
The what in the world are they using for criteria!!?? Of course this process has some objectivitty, but ya gotta have some subjectivity.....
Guys........ good debate BTW. Glad to see some of this coming back
Here are some of my final thoughts on this thing
1. HEAD to HEAD should trump anything and everything. Why? It's the only concrete evidence we have to compare any two teams. Period....this is not debatable. If you want to debate how the teams compare to this or that that is subjective... but you can't argue head to head.
2. I personally feel like the committee is doing a poor job on this thing.... Again, it's my opinion. Whether you agree or not that is fine...again, it's my opinion.
3. Excusing things for whatever reason.... Using the injuries or the infamous " eye test "..... sorry guys, I heard people in this thread telling me that the eye test tells them TCU is better then Baylor.... well, that argument was SETTLED on the field. Sorry, if you believe other wise...but again, it's not me be subjective here...it's me presenting facts.... Baylor beat TCU. Fact!
again.............guys, don't get upset about what im saying or anyone else... this is a debate.
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Guys........ good debate BTW. Glad to see some of this coming back
Here are some of my final thoughts on this thing
1. HEAD to HEAD should trump anything and everything. Why? It's the only concrete evidence we have to compare any two teams. Period....this is not debatable. If you want to debate how the teams compare to this or that that is subjective... but you can't argue head to head.
2. I personally feel like the committee is doing a poor job on this thing.... Again, it's my opinion. Whether you agree or not that is fine...again, it's my opinion.
3. Excusing things for whatever reason.... Using the injuries or the infamous " eye test "..... sorry guys, I heard people in this thread telling me that the eye test tells them TCU is better then Baylor.... well, that argument was SETTLED on the field. Sorry, if you believe other wise...but again, it's not me be subjective here...it's me presenting facts.... Baylor beat TCU. Fact!
again.............guys, don't get upset about what im saying or anyone else... this is a debate.
They aren't trying to pick the most worthy team or the team with the best resume. They are trying to pick the best teams. So Oregon gets a free pass on their loss because they had a lot of O Line injured.
Those Oregon OL issues must have been epic to also account for Arizona hanging 500 yards and 31 points on them.
Arizona (at Autzen) had scoring drives of 58, 80, 93, 80 and 71 yards in that game. But Oregon gets a pass because its left tackle was out?
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Originally Posted by thorpe:
They aren't trying to pick the most worthy team or the team with the best resume. They are trying to pick the best teams. So Oregon gets a free pass on their loss because they had a lot of O Line injured.
They aren't trying to pick the most worthy team or the team with the best resume. They are trying to pick the best teams. So Oregon gets a free pass on their loss because they had a lot of O Line injured.
Those Oregon OL issues must have been epic to also account for Arizona hanging 500 yards and 31 points on them.
Arizona (at Autzen) had scoring drives of 58, 80, 93, 80 and 71 yards in that game. But Oregon gets a pass because its left tackle was out?
at home. on thursday. to zona. please.
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Quote Originally Posted by Sabanade:
Originally Posted by thorpe:
They aren't trying to pick the most worthy team or the team with the best resume. They are trying to pick the best teams. So Oregon gets a free pass on their loss because they had a lot of O Line injured.
Mississippi State is ranked #1 and Bama is ranked #5. Oregon is 2, FSU is 3 and TCU is 4.
These rankings are designed to assure that there is a team from the SEC in, and more than likely 2 teams in. Bama beats MSU, then Bama is #1 or 2#. MSU wins out after the loss, they are most likely #4. MSU has the best track to make it in....even better than Bama's.....it could be advantageous to miss the SEC title game, and get an at large bid out of the SEC west.
Oregon wins out, then they are in, despite the big loss at home to Arizona. Oregon has looked human this season, @ WSU, @Utah, and of course Zona woodshedded them. Stanford and MSU are the quality wins......both at home, and both opponents are showing how mediocre they are. UCLA isn't top flight either.
So, bottom line is this: ESPN and the SEC are joined at the hip. Nike has huge sway when it comes to Oregon getting national respect every year despite the slip ups.
The Big 10 is screwed in this system, more than likely because of the Big 10 network butting heads with ESPN at every turn. Ohio State is a damn good football team, better than Oregon, and will not get a look.
This whole thing is garbage.
All true.
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Quote Originally Posted by bigvern1013:
Fellas.......
Here is the deal, pure and simple.
Mississippi State is ranked #1 and Bama is ranked #5. Oregon is 2, FSU is 3 and TCU is 4.
These rankings are designed to assure that there is a team from the SEC in, and more than likely 2 teams in. Bama beats MSU, then Bama is #1 or 2#. MSU wins out after the loss, they are most likely #4. MSU has the best track to make it in....even better than Bama's.....it could be advantageous to miss the SEC title game, and get an at large bid out of the SEC west.
Oregon wins out, then they are in, despite the big loss at home to Arizona. Oregon has looked human this season, @ WSU, @Utah, and of course Zona woodshedded them. Stanford and MSU are the quality wins......both at home, and both opponents are showing how mediocre they are. UCLA isn't top flight either.
So, bottom line is this: ESPN and the SEC are joined at the hip. Nike has huge sway when it comes to Oregon getting national respect every year despite the slip ups.
The Big 10 is screwed in this system, more than likely because of the Big 10 network butting heads with ESPN at every turn. Ohio State is a damn good football team, better than Oregon, and will not get a look.
Guys........ good debate BTW. Glad to see some of this coming back
Here are some of my final thoughts on this thing
1. HEAD to HEAD should trump anything and everything. Why? It's the only concrete evidence we have to compare any two teams. Period....this is not debatable. If you want to debate how the teams compare to this or that that is subjective... but you can't argue head to head.
2. I personally feel like the committee is doing a poor job on this thing.... Again, it's my opinion. Whether you agree or not that is fine...again, it's my opinion.
3. Excusing things for whatever reason.... Using the injuries or the infamous " eye test "..... sorry guys, I heard people in this thread telling me that the eye test tells them TCU is better then Baylor.... well, that argument was SETTLED on the field. Sorry, if you believe other wise...but again, it's not me be subjective here...it's me presenting facts.... Baylor beat TCU. Fact!
again.............guys, don't get upset about what im saying or anyone else... this is a debate.
whoever thought that getting together a bunch of old country clubbers in shiny-buttoned blazers to decide this thing over coffee was a fool, of course.
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Quote Originally Posted by Boom_Boom:
Guys........ good debate BTW. Glad to see some of this coming back
Here are some of my final thoughts on this thing
1. HEAD to HEAD should trump anything and everything. Why? It's the only concrete evidence we have to compare any two teams. Period....this is not debatable. If you want to debate how the teams compare to this or that that is subjective... but you can't argue head to head.
2. I personally feel like the committee is doing a poor job on this thing.... Again, it's my opinion. Whether you agree or not that is fine...again, it's my opinion.
3. Excusing things for whatever reason.... Using the injuries or the infamous " eye test "..... sorry guys, I heard people in this thread telling me that the eye test tells them TCU is better then Baylor.... well, that argument was SETTLED on the field. Sorry, if you believe other wise...but again, it's not me be subjective here...it's me presenting facts.... Baylor beat TCU. Fact!
again.............guys, don't get upset about what im saying or anyone else... this is a debate.
whoever thought that getting together a bunch of old country clubbers in shiny-buttoned blazers to decide this thing over coffee was a fool, of course.
Guys........ good debate BTW. Glad to see some of this coming back
Here are some of my final thoughts on this thing
1. HEAD to HEAD should trump anything and everything. Why? It's the only concrete evidence we have to compare any two teams. Period....this is not debatable. If you want to debate how the teams compare to this or that that is subjective... but you can't argue head to head.
2. I personally feel like the committee is doing a poor job on this thing.... Again, it's my opinion. Whether you agree or not that is fine...again, it's my opinion.
3. Excusing things for whatever reason.... Using the injuries or the infamous " eye test "..... sorry guys, I heard people in this thread telling me that the eye test tells them TCU is better then Baylor.... well, that argument was SETTLED on the field. Sorry, if you believe other wise...but again, it's not me be subjective here...it's me presenting facts.... Baylor beat TCU. Fact!
again.............guys, don't get upset about what im saying or anyone else... this is a debate.
By 3 in Waco. What is the home field edge in Waco? I know you say head-to-head is everything but it's not. Other factors involved. I'm sure you watched the game. Which did you think was the better team? Which do you think is the better team in subsequent games you have seen?
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Quote Originally Posted by Boom_Boom:
Guys........ good debate BTW. Glad to see some of this coming back
Here are some of my final thoughts on this thing
1. HEAD to HEAD should trump anything and everything. Why? It's the only concrete evidence we have to compare any two teams. Period....this is not debatable. If you want to debate how the teams compare to this or that that is subjective... but you can't argue head to head.
2. I personally feel like the committee is doing a poor job on this thing.... Again, it's my opinion. Whether you agree or not that is fine...again, it's my opinion.
3. Excusing things for whatever reason.... Using the injuries or the infamous " eye test "..... sorry guys, I heard people in this thread telling me that the eye test tells them TCU is better then Baylor.... well, that argument was SETTLED on the field. Sorry, if you believe other wise...but again, it's not me be subjective here...it's me presenting facts.... Baylor beat TCU. Fact!
again.............guys, don't get upset about what im saying or anyone else... this is a debate.
By 3 in Waco. What is the home field edge in Waco? I know you say head-to-head is everything but it's not. Other factors involved. I'm sure you watched the game. Which did you think was the better team? Which do you think is the better team in subsequent games you have seen?
Absolutely..... Plus, why is Oregon only getting a pass due to injury to their OT?? What about FSU's MULTIPLE injuries to their Center (more important position than Tackle), LB's (7! out last game), DT's (multiple players out all year, including several games to all-world Eddie Goldman, Nile Lawrence-Stample, and Justin Shanks), and several key in secondary (P.J. Williams and Ronald Darby, hamstring injuries).
Only considering Oregon with their zone read offense putting soooooo much importance on an injury to an OT (the opposite Tackle from the play doesn't even fkkn block for sht's sake!), is the reason for their HOME LOSS is a total joke.
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Quote Originally Posted by Skipster:
at home. on thursday. to zona. please.
Absolutely..... Plus, why is Oregon only getting a pass due to injury to their OT?? What about FSU's MULTIPLE injuries to their Center (more important position than Tackle), LB's (7! out last game), DT's (multiple players out all year, including several games to all-world Eddie Goldman, Nile Lawrence-Stample, and Justin Shanks), and several key in secondary (P.J. Williams and Ronald Darby, hamstring injuries).
Only considering Oregon with their zone read offense putting soooooo much importance on an injury to an OT (the opposite Tackle from the play doesn't even fkkn block for sht's sake!), is the reason for their HOME LOSS is a total joke.
Absolutely..... Plus, why is Oregon only getting a pass due to injury to their OT?? What about FSU's MULTIPLE injuries to their Center (more important position than Tackle), LB's (7! out last game), DT's (multiple players out all year, including several games to all-world Eddie Goldman, Nile Lawrence-Stample, and Justin Shanks), and several key in secondary (P.J. Williams and Ronald Darby, hamstring injuries).
Only considering Oregon with their zone read offense putting soooooo much importance on an injury to an OT (the opposite Tackle from the play doesn't even fkkn block for sht's sake!), is the reason for their HOME LOSS is a total joke.
And FSU had to play Clemson with a healthy Watson WITHOUT WINSTON...... and WON (due to ). Maybe if they would have lost, it would have been more impressive to these idiots
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Quote Originally Posted by Sabanade:
Absolutely..... Plus, why is Oregon only getting a pass due to injury to their OT?? What about FSU's MULTIPLE injuries to their Center (more important position than Tackle), LB's (7! out last game), DT's (multiple players out all year, including several games to all-world Eddie Goldman, Nile Lawrence-Stample, and Justin Shanks), and several key in secondary (P.J. Williams and Ronald Darby, hamstring injuries).
Only considering Oregon with their zone read offense putting soooooo much importance on an injury to an OT (the opposite Tackle from the play doesn't even fkkn block for sht's sake!), is the reason for their HOME LOSS is a total joke.
And FSU had to play Clemson with a healthy Watson WITHOUT WINSTON...... and WON (due to ). Maybe if they would have lost, it would have been more impressive to these idiots
But for the record the fact that FSU has not lost since 2012 should have 0 influence on this season. It means nothing and is a very annoying argument.
This is the 2014 football season. Who cares about 2012 and 2013 when it comes to rankings?
I agree 99%...I think you should consider it and there should be some benefit of the doubt...but it shouldn't be a get out of jail free card. In fact, isn't this sort of thing the argument SEC haters make? When bama was going for back to back NCs and they were looking poorly against mediocre teams, weren't the bashers claiming they shouldn't be getting points for winning the previous season? same should apply for FSU.
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Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:
But for the record the fact that FSU has not lost since 2012 should have 0 influence on this season. It means nothing and is a very annoying argument.
This is the 2014 football season. Who cares about 2012 and 2013 when it comes to rankings?
I agree 99%...I think you should consider it and there should be some benefit of the doubt...but it shouldn't be a get out of jail free card. In fact, isn't this sort of thing the argument SEC haters make? When bama was going for back to back NCs and they were looking poorly against mediocre teams, weren't the bashers claiming they shouldn't be getting points for winning the previous season? same should apply for FSU.
the whole thing started when I told you it was a bad beat when a 84.6% kicker misses a 20 something yard FG to win and cover a game.... but yet you took the path of arguing saying otherwise.
you would argue and disagree with me about anything...it's just you
it's called a TROLL............exactly!
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Quote Originally Posted by Boom_Boom:
no you argue bro.... thats what you do
the whole thing started when I told you it was a bad beat when a 84.6% kicker misses a 20 something yard FG to win and cover a game.... but yet you took the path of arguing saying otherwise.
you would argue and disagree with me about anything...it's just you
There's a ZERO % chance of AU getting the 4th spot even if they win out.. You think AU will jump another 1 loss team or even a 2 loss conf champ ? Lol.... I think not...
......... U said last year"Auburn has no chance to get in BCS game" later admitting u were wrong.Actually,Auburn holds the tie breaker with Bama,Auburn,OM, MSU...so Auburn takes care of Ga and Bama ( tall task) and win in Atl....I got news for you ..They are as good as IN...So much football to be played.FSu loses Sat they are OUT...ArizSt could easily get beat @Ariz then Oregon lose in Pac12 title game...Buckeyes could get beat at Minny,even lose to Mich or lose to Wisky/Nebraska winner...If Texas can beatvup West Va at home they can beat TCU in Austin.Do u know how fired up the Burnt Orange Nation will be for TCU coming to town? Snyder could pull the unthinkable in Waco.If a 2 loss LSU team can back in the BCS with 2 losses then a 2 miss SEC Champ will get in.I got news for u they won't leave a 2 loss SEC Champ out...No HOW NO WAY.I'm not saying its gonna happen ,but u can take that zero chance and shove it up ur arse.Gurley might go for 250 Sat in a Ga Black out beat down of Auburn.All this discussion is fine,but there is literally a month of CFB left.I personally,don't think there is much diff between Aub,Al,OM,MSU..anyone can beat anyone anywhere out of those 4..Dak could win the Heisman Sat...A ton of football to be played.These Bama fans are throwing a fit that they aren't in top 4 when it does not matter.So pissed I took BG then doubled my bet on Kent St,but ain't even halftime...I would bet this...CFB will interrupt that long 4 team playoff contract wxceeding 4 to 6 or 8 or 16...All I know is I'm worried about winning my wagers and enjoying watching my passion CFB because this is the greatest time of year.U mean I get to bet on Pitino vs Pitino in CBB Fri followed by Bruce Pearl's debut for Auburn basketball who hasn't played postseason CBB game since losing to Carmello Antkony's 2003 Syracuse National Champion team by 1 in sweet 16 round..12 years since Auburn has even seen a postseason game so u can't even begin to know how excited I am about Pearl Jam baby...
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Quote Originally Posted by chad77:
There's a ZERO % chance of AU getting the 4th spot even if they win out.. You think AU will jump another 1 loss team or even a 2 loss conf champ ? Lol.... I think not...
......... U said last year"Auburn has no chance to get in BCS game" later admitting u were wrong.Actually,Auburn holds the tie breaker with Bama,Auburn,OM, MSU...so Auburn takes care of Ga and Bama ( tall task) and win in Atl....I got news for you ..They are as good as IN...So much football to be played.FSu loses Sat they are OUT...ArizSt could easily get beat @Ariz then Oregon lose in Pac12 title game...Buckeyes could get beat at Minny,even lose to Mich or lose to Wisky/Nebraska winner...If Texas can beatvup West Va at home they can beat TCU in Austin.Do u know how fired up the Burnt Orange Nation will be for TCU coming to town? Snyder could pull the unthinkable in Waco.If a 2 loss LSU team can back in the BCS with 2 losses then a 2 miss SEC Champ will get in.I got news for u they won't leave a 2 loss SEC Champ out...No HOW NO WAY.I'm not saying its gonna happen ,but u can take that zero chance and shove it up ur arse.Gurley might go for 250 Sat in a Ga Black out beat down of Auburn.All this discussion is fine,but there is literally a month of CFB left.I personally,don't think there is much diff between Aub,Al,OM,MSU..anyone can beat anyone anywhere out of those 4..Dak could win the Heisman Sat...A ton of football to be played.These Bama fans are throwing a fit that they aren't in top 4 when it does not matter.So pissed I took BG then doubled my bet on Kent St,but ain't even halftime...I would bet this...CFB will interrupt that long 4 team playoff contract wxceeding 4 to 6 or 8 or 16...All I know is I'm worried about winning my wagers and enjoying watching my passion CFB because this is the greatest time of year.U mean I get to bet on Pitino vs Pitino in CBB Fri followed by Bruce Pearl's debut for Auburn basketball who hasn't played postseason CBB game since losing to Carmello Antkony's 2003 Syracuse National Champion team by 1 in sweet 16 round..12 years since Auburn has even seen a postseason game so u can't even begin to know how excited I am about Pearl Jam baby...
......... U said last year"Auburn has no chance to get in BCS game" later admitting u were wrong.Actually,Auburn holds the tie breaker with Bama,Auburn,OM, MSU...so Auburn takes care of Ga and Bama ( tall task) and win in Atl....I got news for you ..They are as good as IN...So much football to be played.FSu loses Sat they are OUT...ArizSt could easily get beat @Ariz then Oregon lose in Pac12 title game...Buckeyes could get beat at Minny,even lose to Mich or lose to Wisky/Nebraska winner...If Texas can beatvup West Va at home they can beat TCU in Austin.Do u know how fired up the Burnt Orange Nation will be for TCU coming to town? Snyder could pull the unthinkable in Waco.If a 2 loss LSU team can back in the BCS with 2 losses then a 2 miss SEC Champ will get in.I got news for u they won't leave a 2 loss SEC Champ out...No HOW NO WAY.I'm not saying its gonna happen ,but u can take that zero chance and shove it up ur arse.Gurley might go for 250 Sat in a Ga Black out beat down of Auburn.All this discussion is fine,but there is literally a month of CFB left.I personally,don't think there is much diff between Aub,Al,OM,MSU..anyone can beat anyone anywhere out of those 4..Dak could win the Heisman Sat...A ton of football to be played.These Bama fans are throwing a fit that they aren't in top 4 when it does not matter.So pissed I took BG then doubled my bet on Kent St,but ain't even halftime...I would bet this...CFB will interrupt that long 4 team playoff contract wxceeding 4 to 6 or 8 or 16...All I know is I'm worried about winning my wagers and enjoying watching my passion CFB because this is the greatest time of year.U mean I get to bet on Pitino vs Pitino in CBB Fri followed by Bruce Pearl's debut for Auburn basketball who hasn't played postseason CBB game since losing to Carmello Antkony's 2003 Syracuse National Champion team by 1 in sweet 16 round..12 years since Auburn has even seen a postseason game so u can't even begin to know how excited I am about Pearl Jam baby...
Go get 'em Warcam!! You got ME excited!!
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Quote Originally Posted by warcameagle56:
......... U said last year"Auburn has no chance to get in BCS game" later admitting u were wrong.Actually,Auburn holds the tie breaker with Bama,Auburn,OM, MSU...so Auburn takes care of Ga and Bama ( tall task) and win in Atl....I got news for you ..They are as good as IN...So much football to be played.FSu loses Sat they are OUT...ArizSt could easily get beat @Ariz then Oregon lose in Pac12 title game...Buckeyes could get beat at Minny,even lose to Mich or lose to Wisky/Nebraska winner...If Texas can beatvup West Va at home they can beat TCU in Austin.Do u know how fired up the Burnt Orange Nation will be for TCU coming to town? Snyder could pull the unthinkable in Waco.If a 2 loss LSU team can back in the BCS with 2 losses then a 2 miss SEC Champ will get in.I got news for u they won't leave a 2 loss SEC Champ out...No HOW NO WAY.I'm not saying its gonna happen ,but u can take that zero chance and shove it up ur arse.Gurley might go for 250 Sat in a Ga Black out beat down of Auburn.All this discussion is fine,but there is literally a month of CFB left.I personally,don't think there is much diff between Aub,Al,OM,MSU..anyone can beat anyone anywhere out of those 4..Dak could win the Heisman Sat...A ton of football to be played.These Bama fans are throwing a fit that they aren't in top 4 when it does not matter.So pissed I took BG then doubled my bet on Kent St,but ain't even halftime...I would bet this...CFB will interrupt that long 4 team playoff contract wxceeding 4 to 6 or 8 or 16...All I know is I'm worried about winning my wagers and enjoying watching my passion CFB because this is the greatest time of year.U mean I get to bet on Pitino vs Pitino in CBB Fri followed by Bruce Pearl's debut for Auburn basketball who hasn't played postseason CBB game since losing to Carmello Antkony's 2003 Syracuse National Champion team by 1 in sweet 16 round..12 years since Auburn has even seen a postseason game so u can't even begin to know how excited I am about Pearl Jam baby...
Boom,what did Rodgers say a few weeks ago R E L A X....it will work itself out.I heard this about Winston today " Last year Winston was on the party bus this year he is driving the bus"...this FSU team just isn't near as good as last year.U won't ever know how bad that loss stung....to FSU.
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Boom,what did Rodgers say a few weeks ago R E L A X....it will work itself out.I heard this about Winston today " Last year Winston was on the party bus this year he is driving the bus"...this FSU team just isn't near as good as last year.U won't ever know how bad that loss stung....to FSU.
I agree 99%...I think you should consider it and there should be some benefit of the doubt...but it shouldn't be a get out of jail free card. In fact, isn't this sort of thing the argument SEC haters make? When bama was going for back to back NCs and they were looking poorly against mediocre teams, weren't the bashers claiming they shouldn't be getting points for winning the previous season? same should apply for FSU.
You have to take into account what being the reigning champ means.....which is you are a target and get EVERYONES best shot. Miss St, TCU, Baylor.....no one expects them to keep winning (until now of course)....
This is college football, where mediocre teams can elevate their play for 4 quarters against a worthy foe....
So, you have thereigning champ andunbeaten Florida St, froma Power 5 conference (we arent talking WAC or Sunbelt here) behind Oregon, who lost by 35 points, @ home to a team the were supposed to beat by 3 tds....thats a 56 point swing for the #2 team in the nation....
Then, they got TCU ahead of Baylor, who beat they SU. Sure it was @ Baylor. However, like Al Davis said "Just win baby." Head to head HAS TO BE THE DECIDING FACTOR if you are gonna have a "selection committee" as its the ONLY THING THAT ISNT DEBATABLE.....Team A and Team B are otherwise equal....Team A beat Team B....I know, lets send Team B JUST BECAUSE WE THINK THEY ARE BETTER....Say what!!??
Does that sound right? If the answer is yes, I am no longer able to continue this discussion.
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Quote Originally Posted by naesiy:
I agree 99%...I think you should consider it and there should be some benefit of the doubt...but it shouldn't be a get out of jail free card. In fact, isn't this sort of thing the argument SEC haters make? When bama was going for back to back NCs and they were looking poorly against mediocre teams, weren't the bashers claiming they shouldn't be getting points for winning the previous season? same should apply for FSU.
You have to take into account what being the reigning champ means.....which is you are a target and get EVERYONES best shot. Miss St, TCU, Baylor.....no one expects them to keep winning (until now of course)....
This is college football, where mediocre teams can elevate their play for 4 quarters against a worthy foe....
So, you have thereigning champ andunbeaten Florida St, froma Power 5 conference (we arent talking WAC or Sunbelt here) behind Oregon, who lost by 35 points, @ home to a team the were supposed to beat by 3 tds....thats a 56 point swing for the #2 team in the nation....
Then, they got TCU ahead of Baylor, who beat they SU. Sure it was @ Baylor. However, like Al Davis said "Just win baby." Head to head HAS TO BE THE DECIDING FACTOR if you are gonna have a "selection committee" as its the ONLY THING THAT ISNT DEBATABLE.....Team A and Team B are otherwise equal....Team A beat Team B....I know, lets send Team B JUST BECAUSE WE THINK THEY ARE BETTER....Say what!!??
Does that sound right? If the answer is yes, I am no longer able to continue this discussion.
You have to take into account what being the reigning champ means.....which is you are a target and get EVERYONES best shot. Miss St, TCU, Baylor.....no one expects them to keep winning (until now of course)....
This is college football, where mediocre teams can elevate their play for 4 quarters against a worthy foe....
So, you have thereigning champ andunbeaten Florida St, froma Power 5 conference (we arent talking WAC or Sunbelt here) behind Oregon, who lost by 35 points, @ home to a team the were supposed to beat by 3 tds....thats a 56 point swing for the #2 team in the nation....
Then, they got TCU ahead of Baylor, who beat they SU. Sure it was @ Baylor. However, like Al Davis said "Just win baby." Head to head HAS TO BE THE DECIDING FACTOR if you are gonna have a "selection committee" as its the ONLY THING THAT ISNT DEBATABLE.....Team A and Team B are otherwise equal....Team A beat Team B....I know, lets send Team B JUST BECAUSE WE THINK THEY ARE BETTER....Say what!!??
Does that sound right? If the answer is yes, I am no longer able to continue this discussion.
we are absolutely on the same page...What you said I have said 100 times
But you have to remember who you're trying to debate with.....and im not just saying that either. Look at his posting history, you will see.
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Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:
You have to take into account what being the reigning champ means.....which is you are a target and get EVERYONES best shot. Miss St, TCU, Baylor.....no one expects them to keep winning (until now of course)....
This is college football, where mediocre teams can elevate their play for 4 quarters against a worthy foe....
So, you have thereigning champ andunbeaten Florida St, froma Power 5 conference (we arent talking WAC or Sunbelt here) behind Oregon, who lost by 35 points, @ home to a team the were supposed to beat by 3 tds....thats a 56 point swing for the #2 team in the nation....
Then, they got TCU ahead of Baylor, who beat they SU. Sure it was @ Baylor. However, like Al Davis said "Just win baby." Head to head HAS TO BE THE DECIDING FACTOR if you are gonna have a "selection committee" as its the ONLY THING THAT ISNT DEBATABLE.....Team A and Team B are otherwise equal....Team A beat Team B....I know, lets send Team B JUST BECAUSE WE THINK THEY ARE BETTER....Say what!!??
Does that sound right? If the answer is yes, I am no longer able to continue this discussion.
we are absolutely on the same page...What you said I have said 100 times
But you have to remember who you're trying to debate with.....and im not just saying that either. Look at his posting history, you will see.
I hear this alot about FSU......This isn't the same team, this team isn't as good as the last years team...
yeah and yeah. No arguments from most people.
But does that mean that FSU should be slighted? All these guys do is win...They know HOW to win.
Was the same people complaining when Miss st needed a last second stop to beat a Arkansas team who hasn't won a conference game in almost 3 years?
What about when bama needed the " luck of the Irish " just to beat that same Arkansas team..
Or even when Oregon lost to a unranked team at the time in Arizona SU as 24 point favorites?
What about how TCU choked away a huge lead against Baylor....all I hear people say is how it was only a 3 point win....Since did wins get slighted like that??? So does the Bama win over Arkansas become slighted?
The point is.............the way FSU is being disrespected by people only shows me that those individuals have a vested opinion and want FSU to go down.
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On a side note here about FSU:
I hear this alot about FSU......This isn't the same team, this team isn't as good as the last years team...
yeah and yeah. No arguments from most people.
But does that mean that FSU should be slighted? All these guys do is win...They know HOW to win.
Was the same people complaining when Miss st needed a last second stop to beat a Arkansas team who hasn't won a conference game in almost 3 years?
What about when bama needed the " luck of the Irish " just to beat that same Arkansas team..
Or even when Oregon lost to a unranked team at the time in Arizona SU as 24 point favorites?
What about how TCU choked away a huge lead against Baylor....all I hear people say is how it was only a 3 point win....Since did wins get slighted like that??? So does the Bama win over Arkansas become slighted?
The point is.............the way FSU is being disrespected by people only shows me that those individuals have a vested opinion and want FSU to go down.
Head to head match ups have to mean alot. Otherwise, why do we have a playoff system. Do you want to go back to letting coaches or sports writers decide who the champion is?
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Head to head match ups have to mean alot. Otherwise, why do we have a playoff system. Do you want to go back to letting coaches or sports writers decide who the champion is?
). Maybe if they would have lost, it would have been more impressive to these idiots 
to FSU.
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