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    jimmydafreak
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2014 - 7:56 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:

    tough spot for Sparty to travel upto Eugene.... right now i would take Oregon for small



    Who ever said the BIG10 sucks clearly is a moron

    Tough spot for Sparty???  How so???  This is an absolutely ideal spot for Michigan State.  Other than playing at home, I'm not sure how the spot could be much better.

    As I have said 10 billion times on this forum, when a good defensive team has extra time to prepare for a gimmick offenses matchup, the extra time heavily favors the defense,  We see this consistently play out over and over again.  That's exactly the situation we have here, and thus this matchup heavily favors Michigan State.

    I will laugh if I can get double digits at the time when I can actually bet real money.  And because I think Sparty will win this game straight up, I'll be all over the ML as well.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:

    tough spot for Sparty to travel upto Eugene.... right now i would take Oregon for small



    Who ever said the BIG10 sucks clearly is a moron

    Tough spot for Sparty???  How so???  This is an absolutely ideal spot for Michigan State.  Other than playing at home, I'm not sure how the spot could be much better.

    As I have said 10 billion times on this forum, when a good defensive team has extra time to prepare for a gimmick offenses matchup, the extra time heavily favors the defense,  We see this consistently play out over and over again.  That's exactly the situation we have here, and thus this matchup heavily favors Michigan State.

    I will laugh if I can get double digits at the time when I can actually bet real money.  And because I think Sparty will win this game straight up, I'll be all over the ML as well.

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2014 - 9:07 PM ET #27

    Good to see some MSU backers in this thread the last few days.  

    And it's official, I bet 1 unit on MSU +14.  Didn't realize until the last couple days that 5dimes has their Game of the Year games listed under Props.  Decided not to get greedy and hope for +14.5.  Actually more concerned about this line going down the week of this game.  What's everyone's thoughts on line movement, what do you think the closing line will be?
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    Good to see some MSU backers in this thread the last few days.  

    And it's official, I bet 1 unit on MSU +14.  Didn't realize until the last couple days that 5dimes has their Game of the Year games listed under Props.  Decided not to get greedy and hope for +14.5.  Actually more concerned about this line going down the week of this game.  What's everyone's thoughts on line movement, what do you think the closing line will be?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 18, 2014 - 1:00 AM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by TD21:

    Good to see some MSU backers in this thread the last few days.  

    And it's official, I bet 1 unit on MSU +14.  Didn't realize until the last couple days that 5dimes has their Game of the Year games listed under Props.  Decided not to get greedy and hope for +14.5.  Actually more concerned about this line going down the week of this game.  What's everyone's thoughts on line movement, what do you think the closing line will be?

    I also think the line will drop.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by TD21:

    Good to see some MSU backers in this thread the last few days.  

    And it's official, I bet 1 unit on MSU +14.  Didn't realize until the last couple days that 5dimes has their Game of the Year games listed under Props.  Decided not to get greedy and hope for +14.5.  Actually more concerned about this line going down the week of this game.  What's everyone's thoughts on line movement, what do you think the closing line will be?

    I also think the line will drop.

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 18, 2014 - 9:48 AM ET #29

    Oregon finds it's O in a BIG way against Sparty...

    31-13
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    Oregon finds it's O in a BIG way against Sparty...

    31-13
     
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    Posted: Jul. 20, 2014 - 8:16 AM ET #30

    I didn't realize Sparty was a 14 point dogs.I agree with Jimmy.Take Sparty ML & points plus this will be a good 6point tease for me and of course an in game wager.Mich st has a long history over under performing in these big games, but the eye ball test tells me Sparty all day

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    I didn't realize Sparty was a 14 point dogs.I agree with Jimmy.Take Sparty ML & points plus this will be a good 6point tease for me and of course an in game wager.Mich st has a long history over under performing in these big games, but the eye ball test tells me Sparty all day

     
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    Posted: Jul. 20, 2014 - 8:58 AM ET #31

    Oregon is hard to beat at home. Not sure of the last out of conference team to come into Oregon and pull one out.  I expect Oregon to win, but Mich St. will cover.

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    Oregon is hard to beat at home. Not sure of the last out of conference team to come into Oregon and pull one out.  I expect Oregon to win, but Mich St. will cover.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 20, 2014 - 10:07 AM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by aleopriest:

    Oregon is hard to beat at home. Not sure of the last out of conference team to come into Oregon and pull one out.  I expect Oregon to win, but Mich St. will cover.



    True, but they rarely play a team with good defense non-conf at home.  Oregon will beat a bad team by 70 points, but if they play a good defense and don't get the turnovers/lucky bounces it will probably be a 1 score game.


    Here are Oregon's toughest non-conf games the last few years and the results.

    2013 - whipped Tennessee
    2012 - beat Fresno by 17
    2011 - whipped Nevada
    2010 - whipped New Mexico
    2009 - beat Purdue by only 2
    2008 - lost to Boise

    If Mich St can execute the Stanford blueprint then they have a great  chance to win.  And I would have to say Mich St is probably the most similar team to Stanford there is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aleopriest:

    Oregon is hard to beat at home. Not sure of the last out of conference team to come into Oregon and pull one out.  I expect Oregon to win, but Mich St. will cover.



    True, but they rarely play a team with good defense non-conf at home.  Oregon will beat a bad team by 70 points, but if they play a good defense and don't get the turnovers/lucky bounces it will probably be a 1 score game.


    Here are Oregon's toughest non-conf games the last few years and the results.

    2013 - whipped Tennessee
    2012 - beat Fresno by 17
    2011 - whipped Nevada
    2010 - whipped New Mexico
    2009 - beat Purdue by only 2
    2008 - lost to Boise

    If Mich St can execute the Stanford blueprint then they have a great  chance to win.  And I would have to say Mich St is probably the most similar team to Stanford there is.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 20, 2014 - 10:13 AM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    Tough spot for Sparty???  How so???  


    Tough spot because

    1) Long distance travel 
    2) Eugene has unpredicatble weather
    3) The fans will be going nuts.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    Tough spot for Sparty???  How so???  


    Tough spot because

    1) Long distance travel 
    2) Eugene has unpredicatble weather
    3) The fans will be going nuts.



     
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    Posted: Jul. 20, 2014 - 10:55 AM ET #34

    Um....Mich St definitely covers and probably wins.

    Great D is what is needed to win on the road
    Great D usually excels in any weather. Bad weather makes offense harder to execute.
    Fan noise affects offense much more than Defense

    Great Offense vs. Great Defense usually = Defense wins. Not 100% but darn close.

    On top of all that Sparty Offense will be much improved AND they have a very talented all around rFrosh behind...or pushing the starter...who took the helm by force (good play that is)  and didn't disappoint and was Rose Bowl MVP.

    Oh BTW  Phil Steele did point out that Mich St has been producing NFL QBs under Dantonio.  (Drew Stanton, Brian Hoyer & Kirk Cousins) not bad.  Now under 2nd year co-OCs & 2nd year basically mistake free as a young now veteran QB.

    I'm ridin with SPARTY in this one yo.

    Good Luck to All
    Lets get that $$$
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    Um....Mich St definitely covers and probably wins.

    Great D is what is needed to win on the road
    Great D usually excels in any weather. Bad weather makes offense harder to execute.
    Fan noise affects offense much more than Defense

    Great Offense vs. Great Defense usually = Defense wins. Not 100% but darn close.

    On top of all that Sparty Offense will be much improved AND they have a very talented all around rFrosh behind...or pushing the starter...who took the helm by force (good play that is)  and didn't disappoint and was Rose Bowl MVP.

    Oh BTW  Phil Steele did point out that Mich St has been producing NFL QBs under Dantonio.  (Drew Stanton, Brian Hoyer & Kirk Cousins) not bad.  Now under 2nd year co-OCs & 2nd year basically mistake free as a young now veteran QB.

    I'm ridin with SPARTY in this one yo.

    Good Luck to All
    Lets get that $$$
     
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    Posted: Jul. 20, 2014 - 2:09 PM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    Tough spot for Sparty???  How so???  This is an absolutely ideal spot for Michigan State.  Other than playing at home, I'm not sure how the spot could be much better.

    As I have said 10 billion times on this forum, when a good defensive team has extra time to prepare for a gimmick offenses matchup, the extra time heavily favors the defense,  We see this consistently play out over and over again.  That's exactly the situation we have here, and thus this matchup heavily favors Michigan State.

    I will laugh if I can get double digits at the time when I can actually bet real money.  And because I think Sparty will win this game straight up, I'll be all over the ML as well.

     



    the reference was to the SITUATIONAL spot.......
      *not the MATCH-UP

    and D-UP was right .....a terrible SPOT for Michigan St
       *off one of the best seasons in school history....now an early
         road game in one of the nation's toughest places to play
       *Ducks return with something to prove for sure...off a terrible
         finish

    *In 2013 Sparty was the first B10 team since 1943....
       to emerge conf play undefeated and win each game by DD 
        
    It is better to be feared - than to be loved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    Tough spot for Sparty???  How so???  This is an absolutely ideal spot for Michigan State.  Other than playing at home, I'm not sure how the spot could be much better.

    As I have said 10 billion times on this forum, when a good defensive team has extra time to prepare for a gimmick offenses matchup, the extra time heavily favors the defense,  We see this consistently play out over and over again.  That's exactly the situation we have here, and thus this matchup heavily favors Michigan State.

    I will laugh if I can get double digits at the time when I can actually bet real money.  And because I think Sparty will win this game straight up, I'll be all over the ML as well.

     



    the reference was to the SITUATIONAL spot.......
      *not the MATCH-UP

    and D-UP was right .....a terrible SPOT for Michigan St
       *off one of the best seasons in school history....now an early
         road game in one of the nation's toughest places to play
       *Ducks return with something to prove for sure...off a terrible
         finish

    *In 2013 Sparty was the first B10 team since 1943....
       to emerge conf play undefeated and win each game by DD 
        
     
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    Posted: Jul. 20, 2014 - 2:22 PM ET #36

    Michigan St wins straight up by 4
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    Michigan St wins straight up by 4
     
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    Posted: Jul. 20, 2014 - 3:04 PM ET #37

    The MATCH-UP....here seems to favor Sparty

    WHY.....are the Ducks so tough to stop?
      *great execution
      *pace/ tempo
           AND if a great running QB too ...a 5th 'E' gap to defend
           Saban / Smart haven't figured it out yet....

    Problem?....you can't simulate what they do in 2-3 days of practice
      *you have to (usually) run 2 groups at your D...so teaching their
        O to 22+ guys......most D's don't have the depth to keep up for
         4 quarters

    BUT....as that Freak mentioned..the Ducks have been exposed when teams have time to prepare...embarrassing really

    2013  *bowl vs Texas...one offensive TD / 4-12 3rd / RB's 3.1/rush
             *Tree...3-10 3rd / 2.6 per rush / 312 TO

    2012  *Tree...2 TD's...both on short/shorter field / 4-17 3rd
             *Kan St...4-13 3rd...385 TO

    2011  *LSU....335 TO / 3.4 per rush /9-19 3rd
             *Tree...won but 1-9 3rd /387 TO / 18 FD
              *bowl vs Wisky...rolled in shootout type game

    2010  *Tree...Ducks rolled here but Stanford still settling in with new D and off big win over Irish / USC next
          *bowl vs Auburn...5-15 3rd / 2.3 per rush
          *note Cal shut them down playing man / crowding LOS

    2009  *@ Boise...152 TO / 1.8 per rush
             *bowl vs Ohio St...260 TO / 2-11 3rd

      $$ So...since 2009...when facing even a reasonably tough and RESTED D... the Ducks have not moved it well at all...not one time that I can find...
           *in fact...vs Tree / bowl games /vs rested top D's the Ducks are 45-141 on 3rd down (31.9 % / about #114 LY)

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    The MATCH-UP....here seems to favor Sparty

    WHY.....are the Ducks so tough to stop?
      *great execution
      *pace/ tempo
           AND if a great running QB too ...a 5th 'E' gap to defend
           Saban / Smart haven't figured it out yet....

    Problem?....you can't simulate what they do in 2-3 days of practice
      *you have to (usually) run 2 groups at your D...so teaching their
        O to 22+ guys......most D's don't have the depth to keep up for
         4 quarters

    BUT....as that Freak mentioned..the Ducks have been exposed when teams have time to prepare...embarrassing really

    2013  *bowl vs Texas...one offensive TD / 4-12 3rd / RB's 3.1/rush
             *Tree...3-10 3rd / 2.6 per rush / 312 TO

    2012  *Tree...2 TD's...both on short/shorter field / 4-17 3rd
             *Kan St...4-13 3rd...385 TO

    2011  *LSU....335 TO / 3.4 per rush /9-19 3rd
             *Tree...won but 1-9 3rd /387 TO / 18 FD
              *bowl vs Wisky...rolled in shootout type game

    2010  *Tree...Ducks rolled here but Stanford still settling in with new D and off big win over Irish / USC next
          *bowl vs Auburn...5-15 3rd / 2.3 per rush
          *note Cal shut them down playing man / crowding LOS

    2009  *@ Boise...152 TO / 1.8 per rush
             *bowl vs Ohio St...260 TO / 2-11 3rd

      $$ So...since 2009...when facing even a reasonably tough and RESTED D... the Ducks have not moved it well at all...not one time that I can find...
           *in fact...vs Tree / bowl games /vs rested top D's the Ducks are 45-141 on 3rd down (31.9 % / about #114 LY)

     
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    Posted: Jul. 20, 2014 - 3:52 PM ET #38

    Quote Originally Posted by MarloStanfield1:

    Oregon finds it's O in a BIG way against Sparty...

    31-13
    If Oregon only puts up 31 they are gonna be in trouble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarloStanfield1:

    Oregon finds it's O in a BIG way against Sparty...

    31-13
    If Oregon only puts up 31 they are gonna be in trouble.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2014 - 8:06 PM ET #39

    Thanks for all the responses!

    Will be watching this game but decided not putting any substanial money on it. Keep flip-floping back and forth. IF State's D is as good as last year and the offense is steady and doesn't turn the ball over, State covers. IF Ducks crack that defense the flood gates might open and it's a runaway.

    For me, best to just watch this one.

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    Thanks for all the responses!

    Will be watching this game but decided not putting any substanial money on it. Keep flip-floping back and forth. IF State's D is as good as last year and the offense is steady and doesn't turn the ball over, State covers. IF Ducks crack that defense the flood gates might open and it's a runaway.

    For me, best to just watch this one.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2014 - 3:44 AM ET #40

    Where is this offense going to come from for MSU?
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    Where is this offense going to come from for MSU?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2014 - 4:22 PM ET #41

    Big Ten teams traveling out west
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    Big Ten teams traveling out west
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2014 - 9:59 PM ET #42

    Based on power and stability, I have Oregon -9
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    Based on power and stability, I have Oregon -9
     
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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2014 - 3:10 AM ET #43

    Tease Oregon down to -6 with anything else you like and cash in
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    Tease Oregon down to -6 with anything else you like and cash in
     
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    Posted: Sep. 1, 2014 - 2:39 AM ET #44

    Quote Originally Posted by jwheels86:

    Where is this offense going to come from for MSU?

    That is a concern, no doubt.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwheels86:

    Where is this offense going to come from for MSU?

    That is a concern, no doubt.

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 1, 2014 - 7:05 AM ET #45

    A legit defense with a running game vs. a gimmick offense who can't stop the run... and they are getting DD... yea!

    Mich St spread, TT OV and ML all look good... 

    I will be moderately surprised if Oregon wins this, and please don't say something about me not knowing how hard it is to play in the duck pond... I lived in Oregon for several years, and I rarely ever bet against them... but these are the teams that give Oregon nightmares!
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    A legit defense with a running game vs. a gimmick offense who can't stop the run... and they are getting DD... yea!

    Mich St spread, TT OV and ML all look good... 

    I will be moderately surprised if Oregon wins this, and please don't say something about me not knowing how hard it is to play in the duck pond... I lived in Oregon for several years, and I rarely ever bet against them... but these are the teams that give Oregon nightmares!
     
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    Posted: Sep. 1, 2014 - 12:13 PM ET #46

    Go Green! Can't wait until Oregon comes to East Lansing next season!!!!
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    Go Green! Can't wait until Oregon comes to East Lansing next season!!!!
     
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    Posted: Sep. 1, 2014 - 12:27 PM ET #47

    I love Oregon but +13 Im taking MSU. Possibly larger than normal. Oregon can win by 7 but physical Ds have their #. They are a finnesse team
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    I love Oregon but +13 Im taking MSU. Possibly larger than normal. Oregon can win by 7 but physical Ds have their #. They are a finnesse team
     
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    Posted: Sep. 1, 2014 - 12:39 PM ET #48

    At Oregon - 13 . I don't see an advantage either way.

    I'll pass
    Helping Kama'aina to beat their " Local " since 1994.
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    At Oregon - 13 . I don't see an advantage either way.

    I'll pass
     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 1, 2014 - 12:50 PM ET #49

    What do you mean "Where will the offense come from for Mich St?" They have a returning QB that got better and better as the year went on (some peoples dark horse heisman candidate), they return their RB(led B10 in Rushing TD), all of their WR corp, starting Center and LT. 
    If I were to question ANYTHING about this Mich St team, it would be replacing their interior def line and LB. The outside DL is stout and they have plenty of talent in the middle, just not a ton of game time. The saving factor there is the defensive staff as they always seem to just replace the guys they lose
    Don't know about you guys, but I do like Mich St in this spot, there is no way that Oregon scores at will and because of the weapons St has on offense, I think they can hang if they do
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    What do you mean "Where will the offense come from for Mich St?" They have a returning QB that got better and better as the year went on (some peoples dark horse heisman candidate), they return their RB(led B10 in Rushing TD), all of their WR corp, starting Center and LT. 
    If I were to question ANYTHING about this Mich St team, it would be replacing their interior def line and LB. The outside DL is stout and they have plenty of talent in the middle, just not a ton of game time. The saving factor there is the defensive staff as they always seem to just replace the guys they lose
    Don't know about you guys, but I do like Mich St in this spot, there is no way that Oregon scores at will and because of the weapons St has on offense, I think they can hang if they do
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