jpero FSU and clemson will never see the SEC florida and s.carolina will tie that in court for so long it would make your head spin. I don't care about academics FSU to the big 10 lets go all the way with this. Kick another big 10 team out so you would have 14 with FSU
The SEC had the votes for FSU last year but didnt want to do that to Florida and didnt want to go an all out expansion after getting Missouri and Texas A&M.
Florida doesnt have enough pull to keep FSU out of hte SEC. There are limited teams that make sense for the SEC and the ones that make the most sense are FSU and Clemson. In the end its all about money. FSU and Clemson dont hurt Carolina and Florida. They both already compete for recruits its not like FSU and CLemson are in the colonial conference they are known commodities and heavyweights in the football world.
Also 0% chance BIG 10 goes after FSU. Every member, with the exception of Nebraska, and this includes Maryland and Rutgers are part of the Association of American Universities. That organization is the most elite organization for a college/university to be a member. The Big 10 prides itself that every member is a part of this elite organization and they wont give themselves a black eye by inviting a school like FSU.
Rutgers and Maryland are part of the AAU and are also within the current BIG 10 footprint. They have continually said they do not and will not expand outside of their current footprint and any expansion will be within their footprint.
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Quote Originally Posted by packers1992:
jpero FSU and clemson will never see the SEC florida and s.carolina will tie that in court for so long it would make your head spin. I don't care about academics FSU to the big 10 lets go all the way with this. Kick another big 10 team out so you would have 14 with FSU
The SEC had the votes for FSU last year but didnt want to do that to Florida and didnt want to go an all out expansion after getting Missouri and Texas A&M.
Florida doesnt have enough pull to keep FSU out of hte SEC. There are limited teams that make sense for the SEC and the ones that make the most sense are FSU and Clemson. In the end its all about money. FSU and Clemson dont hurt Carolina and Florida. They both already compete for recruits its not like FSU and CLemson are in the colonial conference they are known commodities and heavyweights in the football world.
Also 0% chance BIG 10 goes after FSU. Every member, with the exception of Nebraska, and this includes Maryland and Rutgers are part of the Association of American Universities. That organization is the most elite organization for a college/university to be a member. The Big 10 prides itself that every member is a part of this elite organization and they wont give themselves a black eye by inviting a school like FSU.
Rutgers and Maryland are part of the AAU and are also within the current BIG 10 footprint. They have continually said they do not and will not expand outside of their current footprint and any expansion will be within their footprint.
The SEC had the votes for FSU last year but didnt want to do that to Florida and didnt want to go an all out expansion after getting Missouri and Texas A&M.
Florida doesnt have enough pull to keep FSU out of hte SEC. There are limited teams that make sense for the SEC and the ones that make the most sense are FSU and Clemson. In the end its all about money. FSU and Clemson dont hurt Carolina and Florida. They both already compete for recruits its not like FSU and CLemson are in the colonial conference they are known commodities and heavyweights in the football world.
Also 0% chance BIG 10 goes after FSU. Every member, with the exception of Nebraska, and this includes Maryland and Rutgers are part of the Association of American Universities. That organization is the most elite organization for a college/university to be a member. The Big 10 prides itself that every member is a part of this elite organization and they wont give themselves a black eye by inviting a school like FSU.
Rutgers and Maryland are part of the AAU and are also within the current BIG 10 footprint. They have continually said they do not and will not expand outside of their current footprint and any expansion will be within their footprint.
jpero- You should post more often. It's refreshing to see there are still people out there with a brain in these forums.
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Quote Originally Posted by jpero:
The SEC had the votes for FSU last year but didnt want to do that to Florida and didnt want to go an all out expansion after getting Missouri and Texas A&M.
Florida doesnt have enough pull to keep FSU out of hte SEC. There are limited teams that make sense for the SEC and the ones that make the most sense are FSU and Clemson. In the end its all about money. FSU and Clemson dont hurt Carolina and Florida. They both already compete for recruits its not like FSU and CLemson are in the colonial conference they are known commodities and heavyweights in the football world.
Also 0% chance BIG 10 goes after FSU. Every member, with the exception of Nebraska, and this includes Maryland and Rutgers are part of the Association of American Universities. That organization is the most elite organization for a college/university to be a member. The Big 10 prides itself that every member is a part of this elite organization and they wont give themselves a black eye by inviting a school like FSU.
Rutgers and Maryland are part of the AAU and are also within the current BIG 10 footprint. They have continually said they do not and will not expand outside of their current footprint and any expansion will be within their footprint.
jpero- You should post more often. It's refreshing to see there are still people out there with a brain in these forums.
Louisville/Cinci/Boise St probably go to BIG 12 along with another team and then further expansion of 2 more schools to make 16 teams. BYU is the most attractive school outside UConn for any conference but their restrictions on when they play make them joining a conference tricky along with their tv deal.
BIG 10 is at 14 and will most likely look for 2 more schools to add in the future. (Georgia Tech and UVA of ACC are in AAU and could be the next 2 targeted teams)
ACC will replace Maryland with UConn and then if they lose FSU and Clemson (like I expect) they will probably add USF and then 1 other team somewhere on the east coast. If they end up losing UVA and Gtech also then the ACC will become as they like to call it the "Big East" of college football as they will have to resort to looking at conference USA for teams. Memphis probably doesnt work because of athletics but maybe they decide to just go with them.
Pac 12 will most likely add 4 teams in the future. SDSU probably makes sense along with UNLV and couple other mountain west teams.
The college landscape will continue to chance until 8 conference of 16 are concocted
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FSU/Clemson to the SEC.
Louisville/Cinci/Boise St probably go to BIG 12 along with another team and then further expansion of 2 more schools to make 16 teams. BYU is the most attractive school outside UConn for any conference but their restrictions on when they play make them joining a conference tricky along with their tv deal.
BIG 10 is at 14 and will most likely look for 2 more schools to add in the future. (Georgia Tech and UVA of ACC are in AAU and could be the next 2 targeted teams)
ACC will replace Maryland with UConn and then if they lose FSU and Clemson (like I expect) they will probably add USF and then 1 other team somewhere on the east coast. If they end up losing UVA and Gtech also then the ACC will become as they like to call it the "Big East" of college football as they will have to resort to looking at conference USA for teams. Memphis probably doesnt work because of athletics but maybe they decide to just go with them.
Pac 12 will most likely add 4 teams in the future. SDSU probably makes sense along with UNLV and couple other mountain west teams.
The college landscape will continue to chance until 8 conference of 16 are concocted
They are definitely a possibility. They have made it known they are looking for a LF/DH/1st
Hamilton fills the void of 2 and gives them a real Middle of Order bat. It would also combat the Blue Jays moves. There is just so much risk involved with Hamilton but Bmore is the closest to his home in NC. I wouldnt go more than 4 years and I would give more money per year for less years.
Also hear they are interested in Billy Butler so maybe they can swing a deal for him but I dont want to give up Tillman or Matusz. Matusz refound his mechanics down the stretch and was the best pitcher out of the bullpen the last month and half of hte season. He was pure dominant and did it all while pitching injured.
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Quote Originally Posted by shrimp1958:
jpero...Is Hamilton headed to Bmore ...
They are definitely a possibility. They have made it known they are looking for a LF/DH/1st
Hamilton fills the void of 2 and gives them a real Middle of Order bat. It would also combat the Blue Jays moves. There is just so much risk involved with Hamilton but Bmore is the closest to his home in NC. I wouldnt go more than 4 years and I would give more money per year for less years.
Also hear they are interested in Billy Butler so maybe they can swing a deal for him but I dont want to give up Tillman or Matusz. Matusz refound his mechanics down the stretch and was the best pitcher out of the bullpen the last month and half of hte season. He was pure dominant and did it all while pitching injured.
Louisville/Cinci/Boise St probably go to BIG 12 along with another team and then further expansion of 2 more schools to make 16 teams. BYU is the most attractive school outside UConn for any conference but their restrictions on when they play make them joining a conference tricky along with their tv deal.
BIG 10 is at 14 and will most likely look for 2 more schools to add in the future. (Georgia Tech and UVA of ACC are in AAU and could be the next 2 targeted teams)
ACC will replace Maryland with UConn and then if they lose FSU and Clemson (like I expect) they will probably add USF and then 1 other team somewhere on the east coast. If they end up losing UVA and Gtech also then the ACC will become as they like to call it the "Big East" of college football as they will have to resort to looking at conference USA for teams. Memphis probably doesnt work because of athletics but maybe they decide to just go with them.
Pac 12 will most likely add 4 teams in the future. SDSU probably makes sense along with UNLV and couple other mountain west teams.
The college landscape will continue to chance until 8 conference of 16 are concocted
I disagree. The expansion we have seen has to do with adding new media markets, so the conferences can force those markets to add their networks.
San Diego and Vegas already have the P12 network (both cities are basically suburbs of LA), so there is no reason to add them to the conference. You'd be splitting the same sized pie with 2 more teams. Since it is all about money, why do that?
The Big 10's expansion has also added new markets in Nebraska, Pennsylvania, Maryland and New York, that were not previously B10 country.
SEC added Missouri and Texas.
The only reason the B12 added TCU was so they could have 10 teams. They were reluctant to add them until 3 other teams left.
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Quote Originally Posted by jpero:
FSU/Clemson to the SEC.
Louisville/Cinci/Boise St probably go to BIG 12 along with another team and then further expansion of 2 more schools to make 16 teams. BYU is the most attractive school outside UConn for any conference but their restrictions on when they play make them joining a conference tricky along with their tv deal.
BIG 10 is at 14 and will most likely look for 2 more schools to add in the future. (Georgia Tech and UVA of ACC are in AAU and could be the next 2 targeted teams)
ACC will replace Maryland with UConn and then if they lose FSU and Clemson (like I expect) they will probably add USF and then 1 other team somewhere on the east coast. If they end up losing UVA and Gtech also then the ACC will become as they like to call it the "Big East" of college football as they will have to resort to looking at conference USA for teams. Memphis probably doesnt work because of athletics but maybe they decide to just go with them.
Pac 12 will most likely add 4 teams in the future. SDSU probably makes sense along with UNLV and couple other mountain west teams.
The college landscape will continue to chance until 8 conference of 16 are concocted
I disagree. The expansion we have seen has to do with adding new media markets, so the conferences can force those markets to add their networks.
San Diego and Vegas already have the P12 network (both cities are basically suburbs of LA), so there is no reason to add them to the conference. You'd be splitting the same sized pie with 2 more teams. Since it is all about money, why do that?
The Big 10's expansion has also added new markets in Nebraska, Pennsylvania, Maryland and New York, that were not previously B10 country.
SEC added Missouri and Texas.
The only reason the B12 added TCU was so they could have 10 teams. They were reluctant to add them until 3 other teams left.
You are very unaware about the Big 10 footprint in New England and the mid atlantic.
Before their expansion they had great reach into these areas. Every top football player from New England usually ends up playng in the Big 10. Wisconsin, Penn St, Indiana, Iowa, etc....
Penn St and Notre Dame are some of the most followed schools in New England for college football. And they also recruited the mid atlantic and had a footprint there already.
Pac 12 doesnt have many choices and will need 4 more teams. BYU is too tricky because of their tv deal which I why I think htey end up in the Big 12 since Texas already has a tv deal the conference has worked to appease the members.
Louisville is too lowly academic wise for the ACC and Kentucky doesnt want little brother in their conference plus the media market is already covered because of the Kentucky.
Media markets have already been taken its now about getting the best of the rest. Attractiveness and quality is what will bring in the money now. Who on the west coast is marketable and is the best of the rest?
Also have to take into account travel costs for adding new members. Fuel prices are not going down.
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You are very unaware about the Big 10 footprint in New England and the mid atlantic.
Before their expansion they had great reach into these areas. Every top football player from New England usually ends up playng in the Big 10. Wisconsin, Penn St, Indiana, Iowa, etc....
Penn St and Notre Dame are some of the most followed schools in New England for college football. And they also recruited the mid atlantic and had a footprint there already.
Pac 12 doesnt have many choices and will need 4 more teams. BYU is too tricky because of their tv deal which I why I think htey end up in the Big 12 since Texas already has a tv deal the conference has worked to appease the members.
Louisville is too lowly academic wise for the ACC and Kentucky doesnt want little brother in their conference plus the media market is already covered because of the Kentucky.
Media markets have already been taken its now about getting the best of the rest. Attractiveness and quality is what will bring in the money now. Who on the west coast is marketable and is the best of the rest?
Also have to take into account travel costs for adding new members. Fuel prices are not going down.
Also it wasnt as much of the BIG 12 being reluctant to add TCU but TCU wanted to play for national championships and since the BE has an automatic bid they gave TCU the best chance to achieve that goal.
When the BE lost more teams TCU didnt want to be left on the outside looking and bolted to the BIG 12 who also was looking for another team.
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Also it wasnt as much of the BIG 12 being reluctant to add TCU but TCU wanted to play for national championships and since the BE has an automatic bid they gave TCU the best chance to achieve that goal.
When the BE lost more teams TCU didnt want to be left on the outside looking and bolted to the BIG 12 who also was looking for another team.
Terps may be the big 10 money. But they will get a butt whooping in football which will lead to empty seats. Not sure about basketball right now. It may be the same too. Not sure what the MD AD is thinking to bring this Edsall guy.
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Terps may be the big 10 money. But they will get a butt whooping in football which will lead to empty seats. Not sure about basketball right now. It may be the same too. Not sure what the MD AD is thinking to bring this Edsall guy.
Biggest mistake big 10 made was taking Nebraska over Missouri
No. Mizzou has little to offer a conference and was no prize for the SEC. They've always been a little sister at best in football and while they've had good basketball teams, they've never even made a Final Four.
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Quote Originally Posted by packers1992:
Biggest mistake big 10 made was taking Nebraska over Missouri
No. Mizzou has little to offer a conference and was no prize for the SEC. They've always been a little sister at best in football and while they've had good basketball teams, they've never even made a Final Four.
i think I read Maryland will make $100 mil more over the next 10 years then they would have made vs staying in the ACC
Heard a rumor UConn is basically a lock for the ACC (right now there are 3 votes against UConn vs. 6 against LVille) and is waiting on seeing if they are part of the Big 10s rumored expansion to 16 teams.
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i think I read Maryland will make $100 mil more over the next 10 years then they would have made vs staying in the ACC
Heard a rumor UConn is basically a lock for the ACC (right now there are 3 votes against UConn vs. 6 against LVille) and is waiting on seeing if they are part of the Big 10s rumored expansion to 16 teams.
The Big 10 has its own TV network so they get paid by their subscription being part of tv packages. That what made Rutgers and MD the logical choices. It bumps their subscriptions by it being available in Philly, NJ, DMV and parts of the NY metro area.
The ACC gets their money from viewership. They need ratings on to make their money vs. Big 10 gets paid whether anyone watches or not because you are paying a subscription fee to anyway.
If BIG 10 adds Syracuse and UConn they pretty much lock up from Midwest-Northeast-Mid Atlantic. That is a massive TV deal and includes 3 of the 4 largest media markets in sports (NYC, Chicago, DC metro). That is insane money that no conference could even match in terms of money.
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The Big 10 has its own TV network so they get paid by their subscription being part of tv packages. That what made Rutgers and MD the logical choices. It bumps their subscriptions by it being available in Philly, NJ, DMV and parts of the NY metro area.
The ACC gets their money from viewership. They need ratings on to make their money vs. Big 10 gets paid whether anyone watches or not because you are paying a subscription fee to anyway.
If BIG 10 adds Syracuse and UConn they pretty much lock up from Midwest-Northeast-Mid Atlantic. That is a massive TV deal and includes 3 of the 4 largest media markets in sports (NYC, Chicago, DC metro). That is insane money that no conference could even match in terms of money.
Glad to see an ACC team jumping ship. The ACC destroyed college athletics when they poached from the BE the first time and then the 2nd time was the last straw.
To see them lose a charter school makes me ecstatic but also because it paves the way for UConn to join the ACC. The ACC started this whole fiasco in the name of football money and now they finally have to deal with one of their own jumping ship.
I also wouldnt be surprised to the SEC go after 2 ACC schools. Clemson and FSU were target last year.
Eventually there will be 8 conferences of 16 teams.
I read some of your other posts in this thread Jpero, and you make some good points. It really is all about football isn't it?
I mean, I don't know why Big East teams would want to jump ship. I understand that they are a borderline BCS football conference, but I consider them to be the "SEC" of college basketball.
I mean the Big East consistently puts between 8 and 12 teams in the NCAA tournament. The ACC only puts 2 in (Duke and Carolina).
I'd be pretty surprised if UVA joins the Big 10 though. As a local, they're probably the toughest school to get into in the state of Virginia. Their football and basketball teams haven't been very good for a pretty long time though, so they get a lot of competition from Virginia Tech because of their nationally ranked football team.
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Quote Originally Posted by jpero:
Glad to see an ACC team jumping ship. The ACC destroyed college athletics when they poached from the BE the first time and then the 2nd time was the last straw.
To see them lose a charter school makes me ecstatic but also because it paves the way for UConn to join the ACC. The ACC started this whole fiasco in the name of football money and now they finally have to deal with one of their own jumping ship.
I also wouldnt be surprised to the SEC go after 2 ACC schools. Clemson and FSU were target last year.
Eventually there will be 8 conferences of 16 teams.
I read some of your other posts in this thread Jpero, and you make some good points. It really is all about football isn't it?
I mean, I don't know why Big East teams would want to jump ship. I understand that they are a borderline BCS football conference, but I consider them to be the "SEC" of college basketball.
I mean the Big East consistently puts between 8 and 12 teams in the NCAA tournament. The ACC only puts 2 in (Duke and Carolina).
I'd be pretty surprised if UVA joins the Big 10 though. As a local, they're probably the toughest school to get into in the state of Virginia. Their football and basketball teams haven't been very good for a pretty long time though, so they get a lot of competition from Virginia Tech because of their nationally ranked football team.
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