Bowl Game Money

the tradition and history of the programs are meaningless for this matchup bro, none of the current players on either team have won a Rose Bowl, what does it matter that Ohio State was better in the 70's, 80's & 90's?

Chip Kelly has changed things at Oregon and he is an aggressive coach that will go for the throat

Oregon plays so fast bro, this Buckeyes defenders will be gasping for air in the 2nd half, this isn't a slow paced big ten game, Oregon's offense is like running a constant fast break, the Buckeye conditioning will play a huge factor in the 2nd half

Ducks roll bro

Always look forward to your thoughts Wahoo.  I know some will come in this thread and use common opponents like Purdue and USC as the basis for picking Oregon in this game but you and I both know you cannot cap games this way. 

This was one of the games that really stood out to me once the selections were made.  Thats why I hated to see you on Oregon so large.  I respect your opinion enough to play less than normal on Ohio State but I still think Ohio State is the play here. 

Oregon can look really bad at times on offense especially when the running game is not clicking.  As a result, I think OSU matches up very well with Oregon.  In fact, eventhough most people think their first game of the year is well in the past, I really see Oregon struggling in this game like they did in that one.  Further, I think OSU keeps the Oregon offense on the sidelines for a good portion of this game, especially considering the size difference in their O-line when compared to the D-line of Oregon (See Stanford game).  I anticipate a ball control type game which will frustrate the Oregon offense and lead to Masoli trying to do to much (I hate the way he carries the ball when he takes off and tries to make plays on his own). 

Overall, I seel Oregon having fewer possessions than they would in a typical game and think OSU uses its size up front to win this game outright.  I am going to wait for the line movement as I think it will move in my favor, but was curious as to what your thoughts were on these aspects of the game (Oregon rush against OSU rush defense and size of OSU O-line against undersized Oregon D).

Rutgers -2

Ole Miss - 2.5

LSU + 3.5 (hook)

S. Fla - 6

Kentucky + 7

Come on man. That is one of the worst posts Ive read from a veteran here in awhile. The Big 10 is crap. There is no sugar coating that. No team in that conference deserves a bsc bowl game. I would put them right up there with the MAC. Seriously. Teams are slow and have "great defenses"....yeah, playing other crappy teams. Big 12 had a letdown from last year. How could they not? I would still take Kansas, baylor and K St vs Minny, Purdue and Michigan.....bet they go 2-1 or 3-0..... Iowa. Penn St and Ohio st got thir 10-2 records by beating each other and and shitty Big 10 teams.... They played 2 TOUGH OOC games....USC and AZ, both at home.....thats it .....hell, Ohio St played NMST near the end of the season.....

Its just pathetic you would even have the balls to make this statement. You are either stupid or brainwashed if you think ANY team in the Big 10 could compete on a weekly basis in the Pac 10, Big 12, ACC or SEC .....just complete lunacy.

Wahoo... i obviously agree about the Ducks. Wondering what you thought of BC +9.5 . USC wont even be leaving the state of California, while BC gets away from the cold. BC has lost to Clemson, VT, UNC and ND (should have won)....I think Pete and crew will not be motivated, just like there crappy showing vs AZ. Spaziani and these boys always play hard and usually do fairly well vs the run. Theyve also had an extra weeks rest.

I stand corrected and corrected myself. You do have Oregon at # 7. My bad Wahoo, but I have to respectfully disagree with you on the conferences. Their defenses are all paper.

I think there is a chance that Oregon could start out slow in the game, kind of like when they played Boise but I still like them to win by a touchdown or more

I think Oregon now has a great formula of speed and power with their running game since the emerging James took over as the starter, I also love the fact that Blount got some touches against Oregon State and looks like a hungry power runner, he seems to be in good graces with the coaching staff now so I'm confident he will be a part of the gameplan against a physical Ohio State defense.  I think Oregon's spread attack will spread the Buckeye defense out and heavily negate their ability to do so well against the run.  Also I think Ohio State's run defense is a product of the conference they play in, what I mean by that is the Big10 doesn't have an explosive spread offense like Oregon.  Honestly, the Buckeyes haven't faced an offense anything like what they will see here in this game.

I do think the Buckeyes will have some success on the ground because the physical nature of their offensive line, but I have seen Pryor enough to know he can't beat anyone through the air.  If the Oregon defense stacks the box (which I think they will) then I think they can contain the Buckeyes enough to get them in some 3rd and long situations which means Pryor will have to throw, if Pryor is forced to throw then the Ducks should get a few turnovers.

I think the Ducks offense will eventually get in a groove once they settle down and get into the game, when that happens I think they will wear out the Buckeye defense as far as stamina goes.  Oregon's offense operates at such a fast pace and when they get rolling they go into hurry up mode, the Buckeyes haven't ever had to stop an offense like that and I think they are in for a real treat.

Chip Kelly is an offensive mastermind and I think he will have plays dialed up to exploit the Ohio State defense.  Oregon can run so many formations that it is hard to prepare for.  On the other hand, everyone knows that Tressel will want to run the football and win with defense, that is just the way he coaches.

I like the coaching matchup in the fact that I'm backing a coach that will let it all hang out vs. a coach that will be conservative.

• Oregon has more team speed (especially on offense)
• Oregon has a QB that can run and throw effectively
• Oregon has a speed back and a power back
• Oregon plays in a better conference and is more tested this year

Score Prediction:

Oregon 34

Ohio St 23

Best of Luck

Quote Originally Posted by bandit1010:

Always fun reading your write-up Wahoo....but you are dead WRONG on the conferences.....there is absolutely NO way the ACC is better than the Big 10.  Find me ONE source that confirms what you beieve.  GT, VT, are really the only decent two in that conference.  Ohio,State, Penn St, Iowa, and Nwstern could compete with those two ACC teams, if not even with that weak conference.  Guess we'll find out when Iowa does what Georgia did to them...Iowa is certainly better than Georgia, when healthy.  GL

from top to bottom though I think the ACC is a little better than the Big10 but that can certainly be argued either way

LSU has a very mediocre off.  Bama, Florida, and Mississippi beat LSU by running on them.  You don't think that's not lost on JoePa?  Here comes Royster.  PSU's off and def stats are better than LSU's, PSU had a ton of injuries for the first several games.  They are healthy now.  I just don't believe LSU can keep up if they get behind PS, with that Defense.  PSU won 7/8.  LSU 5/8.    Winnable game for PSU.

Auburn lost 5 of their last 7...not much momentum there.  Nwstrn WON 6 of their last 8.  I think Nwstern can throw against Auburn's 8th ranked in the league pass defense.....Mike Kafka was playing as well as any QB in the Big 10 at the end of the year.  Only throwing 4 int's in conference play.  I like catching the 6 here..

Whiskey gets to play a weak conference foe in Miami.  Whiskey won 4/5 games, so has Miami.  QB Harris has thrown 17 int's, tied for worst in the very sad ACC.   Who, besides a Bradford less Oklahoma, another weak ACC member GT did Miami beat, that's any good?  Please don't count NC as good.  This is going to be a good game, as Miami has a good front 7 on D, but Tolzien and Toon have been very, very good lately.  I like getting the FG here too.

Minny sucks.  It is just that easy.  They miss Decker, and it is obvious.  Weber struggled down the stretch, and I believe ISU's much better running game will be the difference in this game.  Wrong team favored here.  If QB Arnaud and RB Robinson healthy the whole year, they probably win at least another game.  ISU by a TD if not more.  Minny lost 4 of last 6.  ISU split their last 6 in a better conference. Arnaud/Robinson will be completely healed by this bowl game. 

Michigan State?  Last five, 17 TD passes against this "defense" with only one int.  That doesn't bode well for a team like TT that has a solid passing game, maybe better than anyone else MSU has faced this year.  MSU got BLOWN out by PSU last game of the season, reminds me of when Iowa blew Minny out last year, then KS kicked Minny in the bowl...Wow, this one is a joke.  TT by 21, or more.

Iowa +3.5.  Iowa will have starters QB Stanzi, RB Robinson, and all conference OL Dace Richardson back for this game, and that is huge,  Stanzi just wins, something like 16 - 2 in games started and finished.  Robinson was the third leading rusher in the Big 10 when he got injured.  Iowa has a month to work on GT's option, they certainly have the defense to be successful against the run, with arguably the best LB in Eads, Angerer, and DE in the conference.  How is GT gonna slow down Iowa's running game with a healthy Robinson/Wegher?  They won't.  How is GT going to guard WR McNutt and DJK?  Better conference, better team with Iowa.  I will gladly take the points here.

I love it that most believe Oregon whips OSU.  OSU is better, and bigger on both sides of the line in this matchup.  Pryor came on down the stretch, he is very under rated.  Won 10/11, man handling a very solid PSU game late in the season.  But so did Oregon.  This is going to be a very, very good ball game.  If OSU can run the ball effectively, which I believe they will do against this porous Oregon D, they can keep the Oregon Off on the sidelines, and possible win this bowl.  Just too close to call.  Usually though, I will take a better defense in a big game.

Guys, I watch/follow the Big 10 closely.  Just mho's, but I really believe the Big 10 redeems itself this year....certainly it will give them some motivation. 

Current Bowl Card

1. Oregon - 2.5
2. Rutgers -2
3. Ole Miss - 2.5
4. LSU + 3.5 (hook)
5. S. Fla - 6
6. Kentucky + 7